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  2. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Ronda, If you or any one cares to look at my blog series of the `Tribulation Calendar`(Worthy Christian Forum) then they will see that I have NOT made a date for the rapture. That is NOT in God`s word, What I have done is put all of the numbers concerning Israel and the nations on a time line and then fitted then in to God`s festivals. That is just a study of eschatology using ONLY God`s numbers and His festivals. Some people jump to conclusions and haven`t even read what I wrote. The dates (plural) are for the various events that God gives numbers for in His word. regards, Marilyn. BTW Sorry Jordan that your thread ha been side tracked by `witch hunters.`
  3. Much of the problem comes from not rightly dividing God's word. "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom" (1 Cor.1:22) We see also in Mark 16:17-18 the following: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Sadly, many have erroneously believed that the sign gifts applies to themselves in this current church/grace age. After all it does say "And these signs shall follow them that believe". We believe, right? Yet that scripture is not written about us church/grace-age believers. There have been many who have attempted to force these sign gifts to fit in the grace/church age and claim them (erroneously) for themselves. Those who've taken up serpents (and been bitten and died). Those who drink poison ("any deadly thing") and have died also. Those who have tried to claim they have the"gift of healing" (and notice that there is nothing there requiring the recipient of the healing to have faith... rather instead that "they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Not maybe recover, not might recover, not recover if they have enough faith, no... "they shall recover" (no doubt about it). If they truly had that gift they would go to any given hospital and heal the children in cancer wards. And if they had the gift of healing then those children would definitely recover, not maybe reocver, but "shall recover". NONE have the sign gifts to do such things today. Isn't it interesting that the sign gifts that are claimed by charlatans today are those which cannot be proven. They claim to be able to speak in tongues (yet don't even follow the scriptural rules for the time when sign gifts were in effect, prior to the canon of scripture being complete). What were those rules for that time period? Look at 1 Cor.14:27-28 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." The holy roller, name it and claim it, blab it and grab it crowd doesn't even follow scriptural mandate for speaking in tongues. (Regardless of the fact that it's no longer possible today). Every video I've seen of those who CLAIM they can speak in tongues is a disorganized melee of babbling incoherently by dozens of people. Definitely more than three persons. None interpreting. No order, but chaos. 1 Cor.14:33 (same chapter) "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." Now we know that they truly cannot speak in tongues. The sign gifts were meant for Israel. It was the Jews who required signs. Those sign gifts ended when the canon of scripture was perfected and closed. 1 Cor.13:8 tells us that there would come a time when prophesying would fail, when tongues would cease. Verse 10 tells us that "...that which is in part shall be done away." When? When "that which is perfect is come". What which is perfect? God's word in full, which ended with the Revelation of Christ given to John on the isle of Patmos. There is no reason for additional "prophesy" since His prophetic word is perfect and complete. Speaking of false prophecy: How sad that someone would actually set a date, make a calendar, and claim an actual date. Though not surprising given the unsound doctrine that's being accepted today in the perilous last days. Harold Camping move over, looks like Marilyn has a new date set! Maybe she can get a video going like Scottie Clarke did last year (claiming Sept 23rd, then keep moving the date when it doesn't happen). Do these people realize how they give a black eye to God's word? How when they lead both unbelievers and babes in Christ into buying these false dates, when the date comes and goes (as it always does) then those who are "...tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive". If it were up to some of these holy rollers they would be attempting to add to the canon of scripture their latest "dreams and visions" nonsense from the devil (2 Cor.11:14-15). Every other day is another quack claiming to be a "prophet", calling themselves an "apostle", or other heresies. Too many to even refute now days. No matter, after the first or second admonition reject (Titus 3:9-11). These really are the perilous last days (2 Tim.3:1-7, 13), so we can expect those who are deceived to continue to wax worse and worse. What gifts remains today? 1 Cor.13:13 "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." Maranatha!
  4. My granddaughter

    I had my appointment on Friday and the nurse said it was healing well and I have to go for another appointment in four weeks. I asked Rachel how her treatment is going and she sent the following reply. "They are not sure yet, but they're not giving up so that's good news."
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  6. Whats for Supper...

    When my wife was on a course in Paris. Someone offered her some more food, and she declined saying she was full (in French) Thy reacted with shock telling her she shouldn't say that as it means she is pregnant. Today I had salmon with baked potato, carrots parsnips and extra fine green beans (they come from Guatemala. a long way to bring them.)
  7. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Brother that is fine. I’m not really interested in the can of worms that has been opened.
  8. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Brother Jordan, At the present I am still planning, as time will permit, to respond unto your original posting (as per your private request). However, at present I am not planning to deal with the "can" or the "worms" that have already occurred.
  9. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Well this thread opened up a whole can of worms..
  10. Who is the army that comes with Jesus?

    Marilyn. We will be part of the saints in the heavenly army. Jesus will never leave us. Hebrews 13:5-6 5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. The antichrist army will take Jerusalem in the middle of the tribulation Revelation 11:1-2. Then the Lord Jesus will come down to the mount of Olives alone to split it so Israel can flee. Zechariah 14:1-5.
  11. Whats for Supper...

    We met up with a young man whom we've known since birth (in Indiana). He lives here in the state now, and this is the second time we've been able to get together. He lives about 3 hours away, but he's just over an hour away this week doing some training for the job he has lined up when he is mustered out of the army next month. He came to Sequim, and we met at the Black Bear Diner. Good food. My hubs had pot roast and I had chicken. I pretty much filled up with my salad and onion rings, so hub is munhcing on my leftover chicken right now. The food was good and spending some time with Joe was great.
  12. Seeing things differently is answering "No" to a question to which the answer is clearly "Yes"? Is it any wonder that he thinks you are playing games? There is "seeing things differently" and there is this......
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  14. Interesting set of answers considering number 3 in light of Alan's post. I wonder which of the other answers are "reinterpreted" from fact? I wonder which of her other statements are stated in terms as "correct" as her answer in number 3? And that answer is a pretty strange "mistake" to make, considering the precise nature of question 3.
  15. Well that certainly explains why she is so vehemently opposed to what the Bible actually says in Jordan's originally questioned passage.
  16. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Alan, I can understand that we are seeing things differently, and sorry that you think I have been playing games. That would be quite disrespectful not only to you but to God`s word and the listeners. Hope we can discuss perhaps on other topics, regards, Marilyn.
  17. I do not believe that for a moment. In my eyes you have been playing word games, dancing around our questions, giving us ambiguous answers, and so forth. Jordan, The sign gifts of 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 have ceased. Alan
  18. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Alan, No, just some one who studies eschatology. The numbers are there along with God`s festivals for Israel. Marilyn. Thank you Alan, very kind of you. And I would be interested to hear people`s thoughts on that series or any other of my blogs, my personal thoughts. regards, Marilyn.
  19. If anybody would like to know the date of the Lord Jesus Second Coming, according to Marilyn's calculations, please read the following. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1008-the-tribulation-calendar-the-date-for-jesus-return/ Alan
  20. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Alan, BTW have you read the whole blog on that topic? Be interested to hear what you think of how I see God`s numbers in His word. And also blogs are people`s opinions. Marilyn.
  21. So, you are a prophetess. So, no wonder you stated that the signs of 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 have not ceased and are with us today. The dates that you giving, in my eyes, are prophecies, and not a "forth-telling" in my understanding of the word. Alan
  22. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Alan, Wow, I didn`t know I was so .....well...known. Glad you brought that up. Yes I have done some calculations according to God`s numbers in His word. That is my `opinion` for the time of the Peace treaty etc. The date of the rapture is not known or given in God`s word. However God does clearly say, referring to the day of the Lord, (tribulation) and thus rapture before that - `But ye brethren are not in darkness that this day, (day of the Lord) should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4) `...exhorting one another; and so much the more as you see the day (of the Lord) approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25) As we will see the day of the Lord, the tribulation approaching then the rapture would be before that. And I believe that the Holy Spirit will quicken believer`s hearts right across the Body as the time draws very near. regards, Marilyn.
  23. Marilyn, Since you answered "No" to the four questions, can you please explain the following dates in the following "Worthy Christian Forum,"The Tribulation Calendar - The Date for the Peace Treaty. - Marilyn's Messages - Worthy Christian Forums.html posting. In that posting you clearly state that the date for the signing of the peace treaty by the Jews with the anti-Christ is on March 16, 2010. Marilyn's Messages A blog by Marilyn C The Tribulation Calendar - The Date for the Peace Treaty. Entry posted by Marilyn C · December 6, 2017 The Peace Treaty - Adar 20th (March 16th 2020) The month of Adar is the time of rejoicing of deliverance from enemies. It is the last month of the Jewish year and the happiest in the calendar. This rejoicing will be after God deals with the Russian Federation of Israel`s mountains. The Peace Treaty, I believe, will be signed and come into effect on Monday March the 16th 2020. (Adar 20) This is the beginning of the working week and will usher in the `7 year` Tribulation. Regards, Alan
  24. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Jim, Thank you for being interested. As I said previously we attended an Anglican church, where my husband was brought up in. Nowadays we meet in a house type church of believers, but not specifically of a denomination. Remembering that all denominations have been started at some point in history. We do relate to other believers in different denominations in our area. And as to my beliefs you can read them and discuss with me concerning those. I think it is great to share and learn from each other. We all have some area we have done more study in and I appreciate those who have looked more deeply into areas that I have not. My emphasis, or study has mainly been in the area of eschatology, though my great passion is mentoring which I have done over the years. regards, Marilyn. Hi Alan, 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No. Marilyn.
  25. Marilyn, No, you are not clear in your answer. In fact you are ambiguous and playing with words in your answer. I feel that you are avoiding a clear cut answer to my questions. My questions are very clear and can be answered in a straightforward manner. Alan
  26. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Marilyn, I believe that I have kept up with all of your posts so far, but have yet to see you indicate what kind of church you attend. You did not check the "Independent Baptist" box in your profile, so I just have to assume that you are not an IFB. Would you mind telling us what kind of church you attend, or what denomination you align with? Thank you for considering this.
  27. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi NN, No, I`m not into word-play. Now we know that God spoke through men in the past and inspired them to write the books of the Bible. Some words are about history, some of prophecy etc. All are an unfolding of Christ, as He is the centre of the Bible. Some prophecies concerning Christ have been fulfilled and some are yet to come. I believe, and think you would too, that what ever God says, then it will come to pass, It is settled. regards, Marilyn.
  28. Does 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 teach the sign gifts have ceased?

    Hi Alan, Wow, you do have some questions for me.....I`d probably have no for most of those. As to prophecy for future events, dates etc. Well, I tend to see Prophecy more in the light of - `The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.` (Rev. 19: 10) and - `...he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.` (1 Cor. 14: 3) When a teacher of the word brings forth what he believes the Holy Spirit would have him speak to the congregation, then to me he is speaking the now word of the Lord. Perhaps highlighting some portion of scripture that the Holy Spirit is focussing on at that time. Prophecy is God speaking, I believe. It is not always about the future - forth telling not always foretelling. Hope that is clearer as to what I believe.. regards, Marilyn.
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