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  2. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Yes! :)
  3. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Sister Rose, Having read through the article, I certainly understand why you are confused and uncertain. Thus I believe that BEFORE we move to John 15:1-6, we should examine the points of this article concerning the teaching of John 6:35-40. Would you agree?
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  5. Saved in 3 tenses?

    That is, encouraging to hear. My problem are that, I've studied a lot of things about each oneof those points, that they said they put into the true context, which seems to not teach security, though. It's stuff that seems to make sense, i think. All of those points, i read were about the disciples in that context. This is one of the people's interpretation, I'll post the link, below. Do you know what he's talking about? https://edgarsreflections.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/what-did-jesus-mean-by-“i-will-lose-nothing”-in-john-639/amp/
  6. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Indeed, I wish to focus upon John 15:1-6 next, if that is acceptable. However, before we move, I wish to apply the truths that we have gleaned from John 6:35-40 unto your personal case -- Have you yourself, "Roselove," come unto God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, through faith as personal Savior? If you have, then: 1. God the Father gave you unto God the Son. 2. God the Son did not and will not cast you out. 3. God the Father has assigned God the Son not to lose you. 4. God the Son will certainly NOT fail God the Father in this assignment. 5. God the Father has assigned God the Son to give you everlasting life. 6. God the Son has indeed given you everlasting life. 7. God the Father has assigned God the Son to raise you up at the last day. 8. God the Son will certainly raise you up at the last day. Your assurance of security is founded upon and rooted in the authority, power, and faithfulness of God the Father and God the Son. Indeed, in relation to God the Son's faithfulness, your assurance of security is not only founded upon and rooted in His faithfulness unto you, but even more so is founded upon and rooted in God the Son's faithfulness unto God the Father.
  7. I want to thank both Rebecca, Jim, and the many others involved in this sizable study, for enjoying the study on Revelation chapter 19-22. As I mentioned long time ago when I first started this study, I find great comfort in these four chapters every time I read them. The more I read them and the prophecies of the Old Testament, the more I realize that it is all literal, wonderful, and breathtaking. It was my original intention (and still is), to be a blessing, to edify, and encourage, those who love these chapters and not to create some of the energetic discussions that emerged instead. As Jim mentioned, when a person will learn how to 'rightly divide' the scriptures he will see the prophecies Old Testament blossom up like a flower in the light of the New Testament; particularly in the book of Revelation, and will properly understand the fulfillment of the prophecies of God as given in great detailed by the prophets. Alan
  8. The beauty of creation

    Limestone formations and birds nests on one of them at "Monuments Rocks" in NW Kansas.
  9. The beauty of creation

    Nichols Lake, E. Milton, FL
  10. Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

    Bro. Alan, thank you for this updated copy of your excellent study on Revelation 19-22. Your study methods, diligence in Scripture interpretation and attention to detail concerning Scripture comparison through both Old and New Testaments must be both admirable as well as edifying and reassuring to all who hold to a literal interpretation of this marvelous book. I have been taught and have taught this book from a literal standpoint since 1977, but was never able to attain the depths you have achieved in this study. In this study I have been reassured of the beliefs I have held dear since my first missionary pastor taught them and secondly through my own study and teaching concerning the wonderful truths contained in this book for those who will rightly divide, and have a love for the accuracy and purity of God's word. Thank you again for making this work available as a resource as well as a reassurance to all who love the truth. I am very aware of the time, study and sacrifice that went into the study of this controversial, as well as important subject.
  11. Here is an updated copy of the Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study on PDF format. Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study September 25, 2017 Internet.pdf The changes are mainly the corrected three scripture references as previously mentioned on August 15, 2017, and some other minor changes. Alan
  12. A simple request

    I'm not too knowledgeable about water heaters, but one thing I thought when I read your first question, No Nic, is what an emergency management fellow told us several years ago. The staff of the library where I worked met with him regarding ways to survive some kinds of emergencies. A water heater of the type you have holds enough water for 3 days for a family of 3, should other water not be available for some reason. It's not something most people think about, obviously, but it's now the first thing I think whenever anyone mentions water heaters.
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  14. A simple request

    Proper term, just my assumption. Threaded galvanized can be a headache, too. I'd much rather mess with PVC.
  15. A simple request

    Sorry...didn't mean to give the wrong impression. I'm glad it wasn't copper...I've never messed with it before.
  16. A simple request

    When you said hard piped, I thought you meant copper pipe with sweated joints or galvanized rigid. PVC's definitely easier to modify. Yep, the flex will improve somebody's life in follow-up work.
  17. The beauty of creation

    Not the best picture in the world...so sorry it's blurry, but it was taken with my cell phone... Still, it was such a special little blessing to be greeted by my little friend here when I got to work today. He was working his way through the wires of our gate when I pulled up. Just wish he would have been a little more patient and posed better for me.
  18. A simple request

    Here are the before and after pictures of the water heater. Before, it was hard-piped...and looked NASTY!!! The only way to remove the water heater was to cut the pipes. I decided to make it a little easier on whoever might buy our home one day...or...make it easier on me if we end up staying here for some reason. Before... After...
  19. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Okay, i think this might make sense. I see what you're saying. What do you think of the passages that were concerning me? I really felt like those seemed to explicitly say that you can fall from not enduring through faith in Jesus. I very strongly believed that.
  20. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Indeed, God the Father is "NOT willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance," as per 2 Peter 3:9. However, that is NOT the point of God's giving certain individuals unto God the Son, as per John 6:37. Indeed, I believe in the doctrine that all human individuals are drawn by God unto His Son as Savior. However, I would agree with you that not every one will accept Him as Savior. Many follow the broad way unto eternal destruction; whereas few follow the narrow way unto life everlasting. God's Holy Word does NOT teach universalism in relation to eternal salvation and eternal life. All are drawn, but not all come; therefore, not all shall be saved. However, John 6:37 speaks concerning those individuals who actually DO come unto Christ through faith for salvation. The order of the verse is as follows: 1. God the Father gives certain individuals (NOT all individuals) unto God the Son. 2. ALL (every single one without exception) that God the Father gives actually do come unto God the Son through faith for salvation. 3. Each and every single individual who comes unto God the Son through faith for salvation shall "in no wise be cast out" by God the Son. If we then add the truths of John 6:39-40 concerning these individuals, we would add: 4. Each and every single individual who comes unto God the Son through faith for salvation shall have everlasting life (as per verse 40). 5. Each and every single individual who comes unto God the Son through faith for salvation shall not be lost by God the Son (as per verse 39). 6. Each and every single individual who comes unto God the Son through faith for salvation shall be raised up at the last day by God the Son (as per verses 39 & 40). The great doctrinal controversy then concerns a question in relation to point #1 -- By what means does God the Father determine which certain individuals He chooses to give unto the Son? I believe that the answer to this doctrinal controversy is to be found contextually within the teaching of John 6:44-45 (as per my note in my previous posting).
  21. Saved in 3 tenses?

    I see what you're saying. I know God says He's not willing any should perish, though, but not everyone will except Him. Or is it because we have a part in responding to that, but when Jesus says it's God's will that He keep all that He's given, it's fully on Jesus? If that makes sense
  22. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Sister Rose, In your above paragraph, you have made reference unto various passages of Scripture, including James 2:14-26; Acts 13:43; Galatians 5:4; Hebrews 12:4-11; Hebrews 12:15-17; John 15:1-6; Matthew 25:14-30. However, before I focus my attention upon these passages individually, I wish to focus your attention upon one of the passages that (I believe) teaches the doctrine of eternal security. This passage is John 6:35-40 -- "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." In this passage we encounter four different groupings of individuals: 1. The Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son. 2. Those individuals who come unto and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. 3. Those individuals who do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. 4. God the Father, the One who sent God the Son. For the sake of our present discussion, I wish to focus out attention, not upon the activities of those who believe or upon the activities of those who do not believe, but upon the activities of God the Father and of God the Son and upon the relationship between God the Father and God the Son, as revealed in this passage. These points are as follows: 1. God the Father gives certain individuals unto the Son. 2. God the Son will "in no wise cast out" those individuals who come unto Him. 3. God the Son came down from heaven to do God the Father's will. 4. God the Father wills that of all the individuals which He hath given unto the Son, God the Son should lose nothing, no, not even a single one. 5. God the Father also wills that of all the individuals which He hath given unto the Son, God the Son should certainly raise them up in the last day. 6. God the Father also wills that unto every one of the individuals who believe on God the Son, God the Son should give them everlasting life. 7. God the Son will indeed raise up at the last day every one of those individuals who believe on Him. Now, I wish to ask of you some thought questions based upon this passage: 1. Since it is God the Father's will for God the Son to lose not even a single one of those whom the Father has given unto Him, if God the Son does actually lose even one of these individuals, would God the Son be fulfilling the will of God the Father or breaking the will of God the Father? 2. Since it is God the Father's will for God the Son to raise up at the last day (in the resurrection of righteousness) all whom the Father has given unto Him, if God the Son does not actually raise up every single one of these individuals, would God the Son be fulfilling the will of God the Father or breaking the will of God the Father? 3. If God the Son actually does in either of these matters break the will of God the Father, what would that be called spiritually? (Hint: It would be called sin against God, something that God the Son would NEVER actually do.) 4. If God the Son actually does commit a sin against God the Father, can He be the eternal Savior of any other sinner whatsoever at all? If tuno this point you have followed my flow of thought, then I would present the following truth for consideration: If God the Son loses even one, then God the Son can be the Savior of NONE. (Note for the audience as a whole: I fully recognize that John 6:35-40 is a passage of controversy in the doctrinal debate between the Calvinistic belief system and the Arminian belief system, specifically in relation to the doctrinal debate over unconditional election and irresistible grace. For the present thread discussion I was not focused upon the events that precede an individual's coming unto Christ through faith, but was focused rather upon the assignment of His will that God the Father placed upon God the Son concerning those who actually did come unto the Son through faith. However, I DO believe that the key in correctly understanding the passage in relation to the doctrinal debate over unconditional election and irresistible grace is to be found contextually through a correct understand of John 6:44-45, with a strong focus upon verse 45.)
  23. Saved in 3 tenses?

    He says "it" because it's a branch He's talking about, it's an analogy. I don't see how it couldn't just mean, exactly what it appears to mean. This is the 4th version I've read on this parable. Every verse that people that believe in absolute security try to explain, everyone seems to have a totally different answer. The other side never seems to contradict each other. They all say the same thing about the verses, and they take it at face value, in the context. I really wasn't trying to sound provoking or anything, I'm really sorry if it comes across like that. I hope you, understand.
  24. Tracts

    Several years ago I read a document that gave a big list of people being saved through tracts. I thought it was on here, does anyone know where I could find it
  25. Saved in 3 tenses?

    in reference to John 15, "Some think this verse is referring to unbelievers due to the reference of fire. The assumption is that since fire is mentioned, it must be referring to Hell. But the Judgment Seat of Christ also speaks of fire. Also, the flow of thought in John 15 refers to believers. Jesus urges those “in me” (15:2) to “Abide in me” in order to “bear fruit” (15:4-5). So what gets burned in verse six? The verse says, “If a man [singular] abide not [present tense, lit. “is not abiding”] in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them [neuter], and cast them into the fire, and they [singular, lit. “it”] are burned.” The purpose of a branch in the vine is to bear fruit. This occurs as the branch abides in the vine. Jesus is the true vine. He said, “without me ye can do nothing.” This implies with Him you can do anything you ought to do, because He is the source of life. Therefore the words of Jesus here define the word “abide” as depending on Jesus. So if one who is in Christ (15:2) does not abide in Christ (15:4-5), he will not bear fruit. His purpose “as a branch” is unfulfilled. So the useless wood with no fruit, because of a lack of abiding, is cast out and burned. The “them” in verse six is neuter, and “it” is cast out, not “they” the people. This fits in perfectly with the teaching that the wood, hay and stubble represents the self-dependent aspects of one’s life which will be incinerated at the Judgment Seat (1 Cor. 3)." http://revivalfocus.org/q6-what-gets-burned/
  26. Saved in 3 tenses?

    And how do you know the writers of the so called early "church" were actually even saved believers and not heretics? The word of God is the final authority not the writings of the early "church". We never find the validity of a document based on its absence or presence in the uninspired writings of the early "church" And if you really want to get into Calvinism, Augustine popularized it, and seems very likely that his views of predestination and free will came from the Manichianism that he believed before his "conversion", Ironically Calvin quoted from Augstine ferquently, in fact Calvin said that he could teach his doctrines of election and predestination completely from the words of Augustine. And even besides that, I doubt whoever is making the claims that the early church did not believe in eternal security has even read all the writings of the early "church".
  27. My pics thread - and right or left side.....

    It's always interesting to poke fun at an Aussie, especially one that can appreciate a joke.
  28. Saved in 3 tenses?

    Sister Rose, I am not sure what you mean when you say that "eternal security was nowhere in the writings of the early church." If you are talking about "extra-biblical" writings instead of actual scripture, then I have no answer for you. If you are talking about scripture, then I would respectfully submit that every time you see the words "eternal life" written in the New testament, these are the writings of the early church. Once such instance is one that has been submitted already and bears being resubmitted: Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. These words are from the lips of Jesus, the one who instituted the very first church and as such, are in fact the writings of the first church. Jesus is very specific here in saying that He gives to believers "eternal life." The word "eternal" means life without end, as such it can never be temporary, nor can it be lost since it is without end. Please notice that Jesus also includes further explanation to clarify what he means by saying, "and they shall never perish." I have in my files a sermon by the late Dr. Harry Ironside that addresses this subject in great detail. I will attach it to this post for your consideration. Just click on the attachment. ETERNAL SECURITY.doc
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