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    The teaching to come out from among them means to separate. For you to continue as a member of the RCC and try to obtain membership in a Baptist church at the same time brings up several issues. First, either you have not told this Baptist pastor that you intend to retain your membership in the RCC, or, if you have told him, he doesn't have the discernment he needs. Second, RCC doctrine is diametrically opposed to traditional (biblical) Baptist beliefs, so for you to desire to retain membership in the RCC and be a member of a Baptist church, attending both services shows a lack of discernment and biblical knowledge on your part. There are verses before "come out from among them"...2 Corinthians 6 is quite clear. Verses 14-17 state: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing..." The RCC is unrighteous. It is built on idolatry. There is no concord (agreement) between Christ and the RCC. You will never grow in Christ if you spend time attending RCC services thinking you are attending a church that honors God.
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    I can understand the pull toward what is familiar, and the desire to remain in one's heritage. It is incredibly difficult to give up something that has been part of your life for so long. The problem is that you really cannot be both a Catholic and a Baptist. If I was a betting person, I would be willing to bet that neither your Catholic priest nor Baptist pastor would allow you to remain in good standing as a member in either congregation. If you told them you'd joined (or remained in) the other church, they'd be likely to remove your membership in theirs! But we digress. The (much more important) issue here is whether a born again Christian should remain in the Catholic denomination. The RCC does retain some orthodox doctrines (one God, Jesus as God, etc.), and there are sincere individuals who identify as Catholic who truly believe Jesus is God and desire to serve Him. It takes more than just an acknowledgement that Jesus is God - more than a belief in a single God - to be a Believer, however - to be saved. James 2:19 tells us "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: he devils also believe, and tremble..."...but the devils are not believers in Christ. Neither are humans who, no matter how well-intentioned, have not come to God as He has directed - by faith alone, trusting in His grace alone in Christ's finished work on the cross. The RCC organization denies Christ's finished work on the cross, teaching instead the false doctrine of the perpetual sacrifice of the mass. They lift Mary (Queen of Heaven - that's a false goddess in the Bible!) up as co-Mediatrix with Christ, in opposition to the Bible which states that "there is one man and one mediator between God & man... Christ Jesus." They repudiate the clear teaching of grace alone, through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), and add a works requirement to salvation (Romans 3:20). In the Council of Trent, the defining doctrinal council of the RCC, which was reinforced by Vatican II, they have damned those who have trusted Christ alone in obedience to the Bible. Take a look at this list: https://carm.org/council-trent-canons-justification That means that if you have trusted Christ alone, by grace through faith, for salvation, the RCC has condemned you. By their own teachings, you cannot be a Catholic and a born-again Christian. The fact that the RCC gets some things right, in no way excuses the fact that they get the most important things wrong. How many sincere people that desired to know and serve God have been led to an eternity in hell because of the RCC teachings? Such an organization is no place for a Bible-believer to be. This is not a matter of salvation. This is a matter of obedience to God's word. Think of the blasphemous teachings that are perpetrated through the Mass - can you truly bear to be present, and to be silent, knowing how many people are being led astray through this liturgy? Will not your presence encourage others to stay, or to come, and possibly lead to them being led astray as well? John, if you will be patient with me a bit longer, something you said concerns me. You replied to HappyChristian that you knew you were growing in Christ because you attended Baptist services, fellowshipped with people, and were involved in the ministries. As we grow we will, yes, desire to serve God - desire to be at church to hear His Word - and desire to fellowship with other believers. And these things are good. The activities themselves, however, are not growth - but merely the evidence of it. Our growth is internal - a love for Christ, a love for His Word, a desire to spend time with Him in prayer & the Word, the desire to obey Him in personal obedience and ministry to others, the desire to share the truth with others, and an abhorrence for false doctrine. You've come from a background that emphasizes works. Some of us (myself included) also have a natural tendency to prioritize works over the internal fellowship with Christ. Please be careful not to allow works to define your relationship with Christ. It is by faith we come to Him, and by faith we grow. All our own righteousnesses, done in our own strength, are as filthy rags to Him. That verse applies not only to salvation, but also to our service after salvation. I truly hope that it does not seem to you that we are 'piling on' you here. That is not our intent. We are truly and greatly concerned for you, and desire to see you grow in Christ.
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    I have said very little about this, but I feel like I have to interject at this point. I understand that you are trying to find a way to answer the Catholic claims, but the problem with that is that these people will constantly present as much history supporting their view as you present denying their view. The better way would be to show that the Catholic church doesn’t teach Bible truth now, as that is when we are living. You need to present to them the places where the Catholic church is preaching contrary to the Bible and the Gospel. There are plenty of passages that show commonly known Catholic practices as biblically untrue. For instance: Matthew 23:9 (9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Yet they INSIST that you call their priests “Father”. Note that this also covers the idea of a Pope, for this name is simply a Latin form of “Papa” or “father”. 1 Timothy 2:5 (5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Yet they call Mary a “Mediatrix” – which is simply the female form of mediator. Or how about: 1 Timothy 3:2-5 (2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (3) Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; (4) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Note here that there are several qualifications here of a “bishop” that are specifically stood against by the Catholic priesthood rules. • “Husband of one wife”. (Catholic says: They MUST be celibate – not married) • “Not given to wine”. (Catholic says: They MUST partake of alcoholic wine at least in the communion, if not in other parts of various services) • “ruleth well his own house…children in subjection”. (Catholic says: They are not allowed to have children as a priest.) These are three that are specifically spoken against in the priestly rules that they impose. So, here are three examples of where the Catholic church SPECIFICALLY and DELIBERATELY goes against very specific and particular commands, and these three are areas that are commonly known to be Catholic positions. What the Bible says cannot be denied, and what the Catholic Church commands also cannot be denied. And they are total opposites. So, leave the argument of them “Canonising” the Bible, and ask them why they deny what the Bible says.
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    I have locked this thread because I am tired of catholicism being defended. John, Catholicism is not biblical, whether or not you choose to believe it. We are an Independent Baptist forum. We are not an apologist board for mixing the evils of Catholicism (again, whether folks believe it is evil or not, it most definitely is) with the truths of Scripture. Nor are we an apologist board for promoting other versions of the Bible. Nor are we an apologist board for promoting emergent churches. There is to be no more discussion of mixing Catholicism with Baptist doctrine, so any other thread begun that heads that direction - or promotes false Bible versions or emergent churches - will also be locked.
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    John, that language is unacceptable on this forum. This forum is Baptist in doctrine. Although we allow some debate and discussion, other religions may not be promoted here. This includes the false Catholic religion. Regardless of your personal beliefs and understanding, it is not possible to be a good Catholic and a true believer. You are hereby asked to stop promoting syncretism and Catholicism on this site. Failure to adhere to this injunction will result in immediate removal from the site.
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    Matthew 14:22-33 “Peace in the Midst of the Storm.” By Alan “And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone. But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.” Matthew 14:22-33 The account of the Lord Jesus walking on the water is a wonderful story that shows us His lordship over His creation and loving care for His saints. Before we begin this devotion, let me bring a reminder that the disciples in the ship were Jews and were familiar with the account of how the LORD God takes care of the saints; even on the dangers in the sea. “They that do down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; these see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.” Psalm 107:23 and 24 God, in either Testament, God is Lord over all of the creation. The Bible is a wonderful book. The Bible is God’s Word and it gives us an understanding of God and His will for our lives. It also gives us peace in our hearts as we go through the storms of life and the hope of eternal life in heaven. “... tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.” In this world, all of us go through storms of life. We have physical, mental, and spiritual problems. We have fears in our hearts, doubts, wants, needs, and stress, in our family and work. Everybody has storms in their lives. The Lord Jesus wants us to have peace in the midst of our storms: whether those storms are physical, mental, spiritual, societal, governmental, family, or work related. What a wonderful story! This story tells of the power and majesty of the Lord Jesus. Jesus is truly Lord. “... walking on the water.” During the time of their deepest anxiety of life, the disciples saw the Lord Jesus walking on the water. Also, there was a very big storm on the water at the same time. How was it possible for Jesus to walk on the water? Can you walk on the water? Do you know of anybody else that can walk on the water in front of other people? Did Confucius walk on the water? Did Buddha walk on the water? Job knew, as the Jews knew, and as those who know their Bible know, only God in heaven, the LORD, can walk on the water. Job 9:8 says, “Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.” Jesus could walk on the water because He is Lord. Colossians 1: 15-17 says, “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Because Jesus created all things, He is Lord and has the power to walk on the water! God, who lives in heaven, is invisible to all of us. The Lord Jesus is His only son. Jesus is the image of God. The Lord Jesus created this world and all that is in it. He created all of the things that you see and all of the spiritual things that you cannot see. The Lord Jesus created: the oceans, land, mountains, islands, our body, the thrones, or the governments, of this world, the angels, the Devil, or Satan, heaven and hell. All of the creation of the Lord is used for His purposes. “Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.” The Lord Jesus can give us peace in our heart in the midst of the storms of life. The disciples were on the boat and the storm was raging. They thought that maybe they would die. Some of the disciples were fishermen. The disciples knew the dangers of the sea. Also, they never had seen a person walking on the water. The disciples had never seen a person walk on the water, so they thought that a ghost was coming to them. At the beginning, they did not understand what was happening. They were very scared. Then they cried out with fear. Like the disciples, so often in our lives we are fearful of the dangers in our paths and do not have a full understanding of the spiritual happenings around us. The Lord Jesus said, “Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.” The Lord Jesus does not want the Christian to have fear in their hearts. The Lord Jesus also said in John 14:27, “Peace I leave unto you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” The Lord Jesus gives the Christian peace in our hearts. The Christian has peace in their hearts that only Jesus can give. Jesus gives the Christian peace in the midst of the storms of live. When a Christian dies, he knows that he will ascend into heaven and live with Jesus. “Come.” When Jesus spoke these words the apostle Peter realized that it was the Lord walking on the water. Peter had faith in the Lord. So, Peter asked the Lord if he could come on the water and walk to Him. Jesus said one word, “Come.” We need to come to Jesus in the storms of life! Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Peter is a good example. In verse 29 we see how Peter walked on the water to go to Jesus. How did Peter walk on the water? Because of his faith the Apostle Peter was able to walk on the water. Faith is an amazing thing. We all need to have faith. “Lord, save me.” But, now we see that Peter took his eyes, his thoughts, off of the Lord Jesus, and looked at the wind and waves. Then he became afraid. Then he started to sink .That caused Peter to cry out, “Lord, save me.” “Lord, save me.” All of us need to pay careful heed to these words of Peter. If you are not a Christian then you need to cry out to Jesus and say, “Lord, save me I do not want to go to hell. I do not want to go to hell forever. Lord save me! I am a sinner and deserve to die and go to hell. But, Lord, in your mercy save my soul.” If you are a Christian, and you have taken your eyes and thoughts off of the Lord Jesus and onto the world and all of its problems then you need to turn your eyes on Jesus and say, “Lord save me.” In the hymn book there is a song called, “Turn your eyes upon Jesus.” The stanza says, “Turn your eyes on Jesus, look full into His wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace.” Jesus is Lord and He is truly wonderful. We need to take our eyes, our thoughts, our actions, off of the things of this life and trust in the Lord Jesus for all of our needs and give Him our fears. “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” In verse 31 we read these wonderful words, “And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? Faith pleases God but doubting does not. When we doubt, and criticize the Bible, and the things of God, then we displease God. The Bible, and all of the doctrines, stories, miracles, prophesies written therein, are to be believed and not doubted. With very little argument, the greatest defender of the faith in the Chinese world was Wang Ming-Dao, July 25, 1900-July 28, 1991. Wang Ming-Dao is one of the best examples of the work of the scriptures in the heart of a Chinese convert. After salvation, as he was teaching in a Presbyterian mission school, because of his biblical stand to be immersed, he was dismissed in 1920. Later on, in the beginning days of the Charismatic Movement in China, he openly taught against the Charismatic movement and denominational hierarchies. Wang Ming-Dao became known for his indigenous church work. From 1955-1980 he was imprisoned, twice, by the Communist government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Ming-Dao Through all of his intense verbal, spiritual, cultural, family relations, religious, denominational jealousy, and governmental persecution, Wang Ming-Dao maintained a rock-solid faith in Christ, doctrinal integrity, and inward peace through his personal storms in life. Wang Ming-Dao said, 王明道「魔鬼敗壞信徒的計策很多,但最毒的莫過於使他們對神的話發生疑惑,因為這是根本的方法。」“Satan has many scheme’s to destroy the believer, but the greatest poisonous, and the original, method is nothing more than to cause them to doubt the word of God.”[1] The English translation is a free translation from the author. The Lord Jesus saw that, without divine intervention, Peter would quickly drown and lose his life. But, until Peter called out for the Lord to save him Jesus did nothing. But, when Peter called out to Him then Jesus saved him. When we call upon the Lord to save us He will do so. “I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.” Psalm 18:3 Many a person, in time of extreme distress, potential loss of life, war, accidents, and other physical dangers or spiritual dangers, have called upon the Lord for not only the eternal salvation of their soul, but for physical deliverance. “Of a truth thou art the Son of God.” The Lord Jesus took Peter’s hand then both Jesus and Peter walked back to the boat walking on the water. Peter embraced Jesus! When they got back to the boat the wind ceased. When Jesus and Peter arrived back to the boat the other disciples realized the wonderful thing that Jesus did. Then the disciples worshipped Jesus. They said, “Of a truth thou art the Son of God.” As Job realized that only the Lord in heaven could walk on the waves of sea, so must we. The confession that Jesus was the Son of God was a confession that Jesus was the Lord from heaven and equal in attributes, character, power, and authority. Both the Father and the Son are eternal and worthy of worship. Psalm 2:7 and 12, “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. ... Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.” In conclusion, we need to be like Peter and the rest of the men in the boat. We need to worship the Lord Jesus. Why not be saved today? Call upon Him in prayer and say, “Lord save me.” [1] Wang Ming Tao, Treasuries of Wang Ming Tao, Volume II The Hard Road, (Touliu, Taiwan: Conservative Baptist Press, 1996), Page 256.
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    I have to agree with Invicta and Happy: the Bible is very clear that the followers of Christ are supposed to come out of false religions, and the Catholic organization, (I won't call it a church), is an idolatrous cult, whether you personall adhere to it or not. The offices of Pope, Bishop and priest, as the Catholics define them, are completely unscriptural; their baptism is unscriptural, as it the Lutheran's; their Table is a table of devils, not of God; their core teachings of mariolatry, adoration of saints and church-established sainthood are an abomination; their very long history or sanctioning the murder of those who disagree with them is an affront to ANY believer; their pedobaptism gives a false hope to many of some sort of salvation; and their insistence that to go to heaven one must be a practicing Catholic is taking the place of the work of Christ. frankly, there is not ONE good thing about the Catholic institution: they labored for centuries to deny man the word of God, murdering those who dared translate it to the vulgar tongue, or who dared own one of them. Tell me, what good is there in such a wicked and ungodly organization? Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord...
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    At the risk of secluding myself from those whom I hold dear on this forum, and at the risk of being labeled a heretic, I am moved to say (and feel I must say) this... While I hold firmly to the historical Baptist distinctives, and I will always associate myself as a Baptist...and furthermore, as an Independent Fundamental Baptist, my allegiance isn't to being a Baptist. My allegiance is to Christ. History, ecumenism, and modernism have all shown (and proven in my opinion) that alignment with a particular group can have unforeseen consequences. To call one's self a Baptist is no longer adequate in today's world. One must clarify what is meant by being a Baptist. Furthermore, one must clarify what one means by being an Independent Baptist. Even further, one must clarify what one means by being an Independent Fundamental Baptist. In all honesty, I don't see how this can be turned around. Is this the fault of being "a Baptist"? Yes and no. From what I've seen, men have crept in unawares, and caused both division and derision as to what a Baptist is. I saw on another forum the following..."Are all Baptists Calvinists?" Huh? Really? However, it was a sincere question. The blame lies with those in the past who were ecumenical...those who didn't want to cause trouble...those who didn't want to hurt someone's feelings...those who wanted to be accepted...those who placed ecumenism above doctrine...those who wanted to please men above pleasing God. Why did Jesus ask that when he returned, would he find faith on earth? It will be such a mishmash of beliefs that one can't distinguish true faith. People will be beholden to particular systems of belief instead of true belief (faith). So...while I may offend some here by these words...yet, I will continue to personally identify myself as an Independent Baptist...I will know that in my heart, soul, and mind...my identity is with Christ and Christ alone. I am Baptist by conviction; however, my allegiance is to Christ and Christ alone. Perhaps I'm in a bad place in my life right now, but I'm tired of having to explain what I mean by being a Baptist. Even in my own little area, people have different ideas of what a Baptist is. I can explain it, and I can try to proclaim it...but at the end of the conversation, they seemingly still see no difference between a true Baptist and what's known as a Bapticostal in my area (Baptist with Pentecostal influence). Bapticostal is an accepted term here. People believe what they want to believe. Like I said, I don't know how it can be turned around. It's almost to the point that I feel that I need to identify myself as something different. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? I want to hear, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."...not..."Well done, thou good and faithful Baptist." If I've offended anyone or caused anyone to doubt my beliefs; I apologize. I will always be a Baptist; I just don't know what to do with today's circumstances.
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    Oh, this is a big topic with much controversy. To begin with, it is just a lie to say that the Christian life is one of constant happiness and good living - it is definitely not. Jesus Himself said: John 16:33 (33) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. In this world YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION - it is not all going to be roses just because you are saved. And as you read through the book of Acts in particular you see men suffering for Christ, not having good times. So it is plain that the Christian life is not all smooth seas and plain sailing. That is point 1. Secondly, this world is perpetuating the lie that if you are unhappy there must be something wrong with you. Think about this for a minute: if your dog dies, how would you expect to feel? You would expect some level of unhappiness over it. That is absolutely fine - but the world makes it out as though only people with depression are unhappy, and if you are "depressed" or unhappy about something then you need to be treated. Now the Lord does want us to be happy, and the Lord does want us to be joyful, but there are specific reasons to be joyful that are not necessarily related to our daily living. By this I mean the Bible tells us to : Philippians 4:4 (4) Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. Note that it is rejoicing in the Lord - and it is just after this that Paul speaks about his contentment in all situations. Philippians 4:11 (11) Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. I doubt very much that Paul was "happy" when he was abased (in great need), but he was contented - there is a difference between being "happy" and having godly contentment. And in fact this is one of the keys - godly contentment comes from knowing that God is in control, and that although he may allow hard things into your life, you know that: Romans 8:28 (28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Understanding this - and it is not easy to come to terms with by the way - but understanding this fact allows you to rest in Him. So it is absolutely OK to be unhappy when sad or hard things happen in your life, as long as you keep in mind that the Lord loves you (if you are saved), and: 1 Corinthians 10:13 (13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. There is another thing to keep in mind through all of this, and it is another thing that the world has totally wrong. The world says you have have drugs to stop the bad thoughts. (Note here that I am not saying that the drugs are always wrong - I am no medical professional, and do not have the knowledge or authority to advise about that specifically, but it is my opinion that drugs are way over-prescribed, and many of these people need nothing more than to be told they are normal and feeling like normal people should feel. Also, anyone currently on drugs should not stop without talking to their doctor, because some of these drugs will cause withdrawal symptoms that can be severe.) The world says that you cannot help the way you think. The bible says differently - very differently. 2 Corinthians 10:5-6 (5) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (6) And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. Notice here that we are told to "bring into captivity every thought" - now it specifically relates this to Christ, so this is not in our won strength, but why would the Lord command us to take our thoughts captive if it was not possible? Casting down imaginations? That is putting our thoughts into their proper place. The World says you cannot control your thoughts and in fact that your thoughts control you, but the Lord says you must take your thoughts CAPTIVE! DO NOT BUY the lie that says that you cannot control your thoughts - God says you can and should. And the best way to do that? Lets go right back to one of the first passages I pointed to, but lets look at more of it: Philippians 4:4-9 (4) Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. (5) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (6) Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. (7) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. (8) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (9) Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. Several things here: Rejoice IN THE LORD, not in your troubles. Moderation, not extremes, are the way of the Christian life - including moderation in emotions. Try not to go "really high and really low". The Christian life should be one of stability. "Be careful for nothing" means don't worry about everything all the time - instead of worrying about everything, pray about it. Do these three and the "peace of God" can be yours, because of what Christ has done for you. But it doesn't stop there. Paul adds a "finally" to it, and it is an amazing addition. He lists a bunch of things and says to us at the end of verse 8 "think on these things". This is again an indicator that we can control our thoughts, and we should control our thoughts, and we should specifically think about the things he lists in vs 8. Things that are: true honest just pure lovely of good report virtue praise And the thing I like to remind people of is that the highest expression of truth, honesty, justice, purity, loveliness, good report, virtue, and praise, is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. Think about the wonderfulness of God and what He has done for you, and what He continues to do for you every day. Now then, whilst always keeping in mind that Jesus Christ loves you in amazing ways, if you lose your job, or you get some bad news, you are allowed to be unhappy about it - but if the unhappiness begins to overwhelm you, then you need to bring those thoughts into captivity, and make yourself think about the things of the Lord. Then you can be unhappy, and yet still rejoicing in the Lord. God made us with emotions - the key is to control them, not allow them to control us. Finally, the world loves us to think we are the only one and that everyone else "has it all together" - the truth is that people only see what we let them see. the best illustration I can think of is the wife and mother, who when she hears that someone has been invited over, goes on a massive cleaning spree. When the guest comes over they look around and see the house spotless and perfectly organised, and they think to themselves "I wish my house was as neat and clean as this". But the house isn't always as "neat and clean as this" - it is normally pretty good, and not a mess, but it only gets perfect when people come over - but the guests don't see that - they only see the specially prepared "neat and clean" not the normal. But when the roles are reversed and the hosts become the guests the same things happens, and each wife feels as though she is not as good as the other - but they each do a fine job normally, but a special effort for guests. Depression is exactly the same - people look at each other and only see the outside that we want to show them, which looks like we have it all together - but inside is a different story. Outside we want everyone to think we are doing fine, and that is what we show them, and that is what they see. What they don't see is the inside, which is probably very much like their own "inside" which they don't let others see......... I hope all of this is clear.......
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    You are correct. The simple "root" meaning of the word "repent" is to turn from or turn against something. It always means the same thing but has different implications in different contexts. God "turned against" or "turned from" the "evil" He intended for the people of Nineveh after they "turned against"/"turned from" their wickedness. Likewise, pertaining to salvation, "repent" means to "turn from"/"turn against" sin. The Bible says, (speaking of the Comforter, or Holy Spirit) "He shall convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgment...". When the Holy Spirit deals with a person's heart, in order to be saved, that person must fully believe that they are a low-down, wicked, sorry sinner, headed for Hell, and deserve to go there, but at the same time fully believing that God is all good, loving and righteous and casting their soul at the mercy of God. That is turning FROM sin and self TO God. It is all done in the heart, and it can happen in the heart/mind of a deaf/mute quadriplegic who can't move a muscle or call out Jesus' name. It is pure faith, not works.
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    I enjoy taking photos of nature, whether scenery, insects, plants, animals, etc. I wanted to start a thread where anybody who wants can share a photo they took of something in nature. Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
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    Celina, at this point, not knowing you personally, or why you are going through your depression, I feel it would be difficult to answer your questions completely. I will give a few thoughts. The Psalms record many things. Among them, the Psalmist, sometimes David, sometimes others, and sometimes the Lord Jesus in prophecy, all go through times of discouragement, trials, verbal persecution from their enemies, and times of doubt; maybe even depression. This world is full of sorrows, heartache, disappointment, and discouragement. If we are the cause of the problem (as David was in Psalm 51), we need to deal with the problem. If we going through the trials of life; then we need to trust in God and have, "the sacrifice of praise." For example: Psalm 43:1-5 is a case in point. We do not know the writer of Psalm 43 The writer in Psalm 43 concludes in verse 5, "Why are thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God." With that thought of putting our hope in God, by faith, and praise Him, I will conclude. Hopefully, your trust in the Lord will bring back the health of your countenance. May the Lord bless you. Alan
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    As I was writing, I meant to include another fantastic passage, but got distracted by those other verses. So here it is: Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. And the context makes it plain that it is Jesus. Not Mary, not some "saint", but only Jesus. The fantastic part of this verse is that it clearly leads in to discussion on salvation, which should always be our goal.
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    Jim_Alaska lives on the other side of Mt. Shasta from us. The next picture I took right near Ukulelemike's neck of the "woods".
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    Lenticular Clouds on MT. Shasta in Northern California. This mountain can be clearly seen from my church building. Here is another picture without clouds that I put on our church web page. The two pictures look different because one was taken from the south and the other from the north.
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    Well...after a little searching, I've found where you have posted on a couple of other forums. You certainly hold to the same ground on them as you do here...except...I did see one discrepancy in my searching; whereas, you said that you only give a nickel once a month on one of the other forums; however, you said you gave a nickel twice a month here. That doesn't bode well for your truthfulness. I also saw this from you on one of the other forums...posted on April 19th of this year... If you wish to become Lutheran then become Lutheran. I would never become Lutheran as I don't wish to be Protestant. I wish to remain Catholic. Now, since you assert that all non-Catholics are Protestants, and since you also wrongfully assert that Baptists are "Protestants"; therefore, by your own admission, you wish to remain a Catholic and not become a Baptist. John, I can see no reason why you're here other than to push and justify Catholicism. You may truly be searching, but if you are, your searching is over-ridden by your justification for Catholicism. If I'm wrong and you are sincere, I pray the Lord will remove the scales from your eyes. As a side note: There was also a Dave-W on one of those other forums! Dave...you've got some explaining to do!
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    Psalm 139:14-16 -- "I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them." Psalm 51:5 -- "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psalm 58:3 -- "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." Genesis 8:21 -- "And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." Romans 5:12 -- "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:18-19 -- "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." 2 Corinthians 5:14 -- "For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead." Ephesians 2:1-3 -- "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." Isaiah 53:6 -- "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Romans 3:9-12 -- "What then? Are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
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    The Truth You cannot be saved by being a 'good person': "For by grace are ye saved through faith...Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8a-9 KJV) And there are not 'many paths? to God, there's only One: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6 KJV) The Bible tells us that everyone is a sinner: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23 KJV) You must realize that there is a punishment for sin: "For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23a KJV) This does not mean only physical death, but also spiritual death: "...fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28b KJV) Jesus died on the cross for your sins: "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8 KJV) And then He rose from the dead, conquering death: "Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly;" (Acts 10:40 KJV) Because of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, eternal life becomes a free gift from God: "...by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." (Romans 5:18b KJV) "...the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23b KJV) But just like any gift, it doesn't become yours until you receive it. To receive God's gift of eternal life, you must call on the name of the Lord: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13 KJV) Time is growing short and you should not put off your decision. The Bible tells us: "(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" (2 Corinthians 6:2 KJV) There is no other way to be saved than by Jesus, and there is no better time than now to receive salvation...
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    I have an Uncle who passed away as a Roman Catholic. He was living a very great distance from me and I had no means to go see him. When he was nearing death I drafted a letter to him explaining God's simple plan of salvation. I addressed the envelope and attached the stamp but never had peace about sending it. I carried that letter for many years, in my Bible, finally I got rid of it. Praise God for His forgiveness, praise Jesus Christ for His gift of salvation to me. Praise God that He allows us to pass by trials and go on to great service for His glory. Its now some 30 years later. Every opportunity to share the truth of Jesus Christ with family I take it. I think God used this incident in my life to embolden me to share the Gospel with other family. God isn't finished with me yet and He has work for me to do. In the case of my Uncle, I wasn't prepared. I was and am saved, no doubt, but there was something preventing me. I had no enduement of power from the Holy Spirit for this particular task. You know how Paul, in Acts 16:6-9 , was prevented from going into Asia by the Holy Spirit, but was sent into Europe instead. Because of this, the Gospel traveled into Europe and across the ocean to you and I. Paul, as prepared as He was by our Lord Jesus Christ; would have failed to spread the Gospel without the Holy Spirit. I don't know that you weren't totally prepared. I don't know that you were prevented by the Holy Spirit. I do know that God loves you and has something specially prepared for you when you are ready. God knows when we are ready.
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    Pure unbiblical speculation and total misapplication of Scripture.
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    Sunrise in Herlong, taken looking Southeast from my road, while heading to work one morning recently. The water there is the very end of the recently re-formed Honey Lake, a shallow lake that has been empty for the last ten years, and filled up this last wet winter. Our property sits just at the edge of it.
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    Mt. Baker as seen at Diamond Point, WA (just 5 or so minutes from where we live - Diamond Point, not Mt. Baker).
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    Sunrise in the outback. Actual location: Cocklebiddy, Western Australia
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    The Beginning of the Church "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone." Ephesians 2:19 & 20 The foundation, the chief corner stone of the church, is the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus founded His church during His earthly ministry. The Lord Jesus started, while He was on the earth, the church. “And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18 The Lord is the foundation, the corner stone of the church and the prophets and the apostles are stones set above the foundation. The foundation of the church was set at the ministry of the Lord Jesus and the apostles and prophets continued the building of the church. Concerning the 'head' of the church, Paul the Apostle was given this doctrine, “And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all thins to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all things.” Ephesians 1:22 & 23 The Lord Jesus is the 'head' of the church. The Prophet and Messenger of the Messiah John the Baptist is a messenger from God. Those who reject his message, and his baptism, are not following the messenger of God. “And what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet. This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.” Luke 7:26 & 27 The individuals in the 'Christian' realm who reject the message, and the mode of baptism, is rejecting the words of the messenger and prophet of God to the church. The Apostle Paul stated, "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gift of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?" 1 Corinthians 12:28 & 29 The baptism of John the Baptist, as a messenger and prophet from God, is the baptism for all those who trust in the Lord Jesus and is the only mode of baptism acceptable in the New Testament. The term, 'Baptist,' is a title; it is not the last name of John. Concerning those who reject the baptism of John If a person rejects the baptism of John the Baptist, or his followers, than that person is not not scripturally baptized, and, according to the scriptures, he is like the Pharisees and hypocrites. “And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29 and 30 The different denominations in the 'Christian' realm, sprinkling, pouring, infant baptism, baptism for the dead (Mormons), who reject the immersion method of John the Baptist are in serious error. The Apostles were baptized by John the Baptist All of the apostles of the Lord Jesus were baptized by John the Baptist. Whether or not the term, or title, 'Baptist' is after their name, is immaterial an adding of the requirements of a belief in the scriptures, a 'straw man,' and a non-issue. “Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.” Acts 1:22 God only has to give the man of God the term, or office, or calling, or title, 'once,' to make that term, title, office, doctrine, mode of service, scriptural and binding to the saints. The Giving of the Holy Spirit The Lord Jesus is the giver of the Holy Spirit to those who are saved. The apostles, as part of the foundation of the church, are the examples of the church. “Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whoe soever sins ye retain, they are retained.” John 20:21-23 The apostles, as part of the foundation of the church, are an example on how the Lord Jesus is guiding the saints in the New Testament church. For example. As the Lord Jesus sent the apostles around the world as a witness; so is every saint, every church, to be a witness. Matthew 29:1-20 As the Lord Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the Apostles; so He gives every one who trusts in Him the Holy Spirit at the moment of conversion. Ephesians 4:30 There is is no 'tarrying,' or 'waiting,' for the Holy Spirit,' for any saint in the New Testament Church. The Baptism at Pentecost The filling of the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost for empowerment to witness; not to start the church. The Lord Jesus said, “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” Acts 1:8 The Lord Jesus had previously, in John 20:21-23, given the apostles the Holy Ghost. Now, the Lord Jesus is stating for them to remain in Jerusalem to tarry for the 'power' of the Holy Ghost for witnesses, soul-winning, the gift of tongues, to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth. The Lord Jesus clearly states they were to receive 'power;' they were not to receive the Holy Spirit, but 'power.'
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    Regarding transubstantiation: When we read the passages regarding the Lord's Supper, there are a few things that are evident. Christ was physically there administering the bread and cup. If there was ever a chance for literal substantiation, I would think this would have been it. Yet, he was giving them actual bread; he wasn't ripping pieces of his flesh off and giving it to them to eat. He wasn't giving them his actual blood to drink either; he made it very clear that it was "the fruit of the vine". So, Christ was using the bread and the cup to represent his body and blood. Secondly, and most importantly, Christ told them to do this "in remembrance of me". It was instituted for us to "remember" what Christ did for us; in that, his body was broken for us, and his blood was poured out for us. We are to remember that...not reconstitute or re-sacrifice his body and blood from bread and a cup. He was sacrificed once for all, and in taking the Lord's Supper, it sets our minds and hearts back on what he did for us in the past. It's a time of remembrance...not re-sacrifice. Regarding it even further...this is going to sound too simple, because we often want deep, hard, theological answers...when the simple truth lies right before our eyes. In the verses that you pointed out, Christ said that one would have to eat his flesh and drink his blood. He was very specific. He said nothing about transubstantiation or the possibility thereof...he said his flesh and his blood. He gave no wiggle room for anything else. You either eat his actual flesh and drink his actual blood, or you have no eternal life. The wording doesn't allow for transubstantiation. The Jews were actually pretty smart in their response; which was, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? They understood the dilemma posed; they just didn't understand what was actually being said. So, how does one eat the Lord's flesh and drink his blood if transubstantiation isn't possible? The Lord likened his flesh to the manna which the Jews ate in the wilderness. What did the Jews have to do to get the manna (bread)? Nothing. It was a free gift from God. They just had to accept it. How does one eat Christ's flesh and drink his blood? Christ said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood, you have no life in you...no eternal life. However, we can't eat his actual flesh or drink his actual blood... Christ also said that "he that believeth in me shall never die", whosoever believeth in me should not perish but have everlasting life". So...which is it? Must we eat his flesh and drink his blood in order to have eternal life, or must we believe in Christ to have eternal life? Just as the Jews accepted the free gift of manna, believers accept the free gift of Christ's flesh and blood which was broken and spilled for us for the forgiveness of sins. We eat his flesh and drink his blood by believing and accepting what he did for us when he sacrificed himself for us. There's nothing mystical about true Christianity, and I mean no disrespect to you personally, but transubstantiation is about as mystical as it gets in my opinion. All of that to say this in answer to your question... My view is that there is no such thing as transubstantiation; there is no true biblical basis for it. There is nothing in the Bible which describes it. There is nothing in the Bible which validates it. It's a man-made doctrine. The Bible says in more than one place that the Lord's Supper is to be done in remembrance of what Christ did for us. It's a solemn time of remembrance. The bread represents his flesh; it doesn't become his flesh. The fruit of the vine represents his blood; it doesn't become his blood.
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    If you read Peter's sermon in Acts 2, it's evident that he preached the gospel; which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. The majority of what is recorded of his sermon has to do with that. How could the Jews repent of killing Christ? They couldn't go back and "unkill" him. So, there was actually something else they were to repent of. It's there...in the text. Who was Peter talking about when he said there were things that Paul wrote which were hard to be understood? Was he talking about himself? No, he's very clear about who has a hard time understanding the writings of Paul...and it's not just Paul's writings...it's also "the other scriptures". 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. As to the "mystery", there are several "mysteries" that Paul wrote about. The only time that I know of; in which, he refers to the "mystery of the gospel", is in Ephesians 6:19. However, when taken with the whole of Ephesians and its many references to "the mystery", the context is clear that he's speaking about the church...both Jew and Gentiles together as fellowheirs. It's also interesting to note that when Paul mentions this "mystery" which was kept hidden, his is telling how he received knowledge of "the mystery". Which is, he received his knowledge of "the mystery" by direct revelation. However, Paul wan't the only one who knew about "the mystery"...he just received his knowledge of it in a different way. Ephesians 3:3-6 3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: The other apostles (and prophets) new of the mystery too. It wasn't just given to Paul; it's just that the method of how the mystery was revealed was different for Paul than the other apostles and prophets. One last thing... What were some of the very last things that Christ told the apostles (including Peter) before he ascended to heaven? (Matthew) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, (Mark) Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Luke)Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations ...and what was the very last thing that Christ told the apostles (including Peter) right before he ascended to heaven? (Acts) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Sounds like Peter knew that Gentiles would be included to me. :)
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    Why certainly He did friend: Matt 16: 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Matt 17: 23 Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: 23And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry. Luke 24: 6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8And they remembered his words Also Mark 10:34; Luke 9:22; Luke 18:33; Luke 24:46; Just because Peter and the other Apostles didn't understand it yet does not negate that the Lord taught it throughout the Gospels.
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    John, John, John, you are a sad and confused fellow. If you cannot see the difference between the Catholic emasculated, effeminate 'Jesus' )who is perpetually hanging on a cross, a Jesus that cannot save outside of the Catholic organization and the sacraments, a Jesus who is daily placed in an idolatrous monstrance and displayed as a cookie for all to bow to, a Jesus who is only a co-redeemer with his mother), and the Jesus of the Bible, (who is alone able to save, who is received by grace through faith alone, outside of ANY church, who would not even call His earthly mother, "Mother", but called her 'Woman', to show she held no authority over Him, the Jesus who made one sacrifice for sin for all time and is sitting at the right hand of the father in Glory, Himself alone the only Advocate and Redeemer, who went to the cross one, and is risen and in Glory, no longer on the cross), then you are truly not a saved man, or at least has not repented of your rebellion against the Lord's command to mark those who cause divisions contrary to the true doctrines of the Bible, and avoid them. John, you need to get right with God, get out of the ungoldy Catholic insitution, get out from the Laodicean-style non-judgmental evangelical church and seek a church that will preach the truth of the Bible.
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    Hardly big in the scheme of things, but if you think of it, please pray for my oldest son Zac. He graduated from uni with honours in computer science at the end of last year and has been applying for jobs since, and although coming close according to several places, he has not yet got a programming job. He has been "flipping burgers" throughout his uni studies (and before), and is still working there until he gets a real job, so he is not afraid of work, and is being responsible. He is also faithful at church and loves the Lord. All he lacks right now is the start to his next stage in life - a career job. As I said - hardly a biggie amongst the requests for health and spiritual needs, but we can come to Him with all our cares, and so I am asking. Thanks folks.
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    John, I still haven't decided if you're for real or not. Understand, when I see some of the things that you post, it appears that you are being subtle (and at other times, completely transparent) in what you're trying to convey...as though you are trying to mock certain aspects of what you perceive that Baptists believe...from such topics as guns, to homeschooling, to raising children, to theology... At the same time, I don't want to cause you any harm if you're sincere. Take the quote from you above...it very much reminds me of a saying; which is, ... I wouldn't give you a nickel for _________. Which basically means that something is worthless in the view of the one saying it.
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    If y'all would like to discuss Billy Graham, can you please take it to a new thread? I don't want this one to get off topic.
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    There is nothing scriptural about the Catholic church. You can protest all day long that there is, but one of two things: you are very unlearned in scripture, or you are spoofing us. River of Life may have begun as a Baptist church, but it has done what far too many churches have: they've joined the emergent church movement. This is likely why you are comfortable in both the RCC and this church. .
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    If that Baptist church looks the other way as folks who are members of another church - whatever the denomination - join, it is not a biblical Baptist church. I'm sorry, but you cannot be yoked up with a church that prays to icons (completely disregarding the Bible), puts the human vessel who carried the Son of God on an equal plane with that Son of God, teaches that a fallible man (the priest) can absolve sins - if certain acts are followed - etc., etc, and a Baptist church that is following the Bible. THAT is where the NT commands to be separate come in. And, BTW, Baptist are not Protestant. They were never part of the RCC to begin with. We've already discussed that point, remember? So "other" Protestant church is a misnomer. Being upfront with the pastor about retaining your membership in the RCC is not telling your beliefs to him. It's being honest about your intents. As the undershepherd of that church, he is responsible to protect the flock. And it is completely his business to know that you still align and defend the tenets of the RCC. You could become a wolf in his flock otherwise, as you will most definitely share your beliefs with other members, whether you think you will or not (the fact that you already know that others are members elsewhere as well as that church is proof that you've discussed this with at least one person...).
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    I assumed that all here on OnLine Baptist realized that the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were in the New Testament, I was not referring to the 'testament,' or covenants, in Hebrews 9:15-17. The 'testaments' in Hebrews 9:15-17 are dealing with the two Covenants, the Levitical Law and Grace; not the wording of the Old and New Testament. Hebrews 9:15-17 does not contradict my above lesson. According to my previous quotations of Paul the Apostle of Ephesians 2:19, Matthew 16:18 and Ephesians 1:22, the Lord Jesus clearly is foundation of the New Testament church. I would also like for all to notice that I clearly used the word, "beginning." The word 'beginning' means the start of something not the end. The 'beginning,' the foundation, the start, the corner-stone, of the New Testament church is the Lord Jesus. Oh, by the way, the Lord Jesus is also the 'ending' of the New Testament Church. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8 May I ask a favor? why not just discuss the passages that I mentioned? The title of this lesson is, "The Beginning of the New Testament Church." I see no reason to change it. Alan
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    I personally believe that puny mankind has zero effect on global climate. I also believe that this lie of"climate change" (once called global warming) is continually pushed in order to sway public opinion for the purpose of imposing more and more regulations with the end result being totalitarian control of all industry. They want complete control of "health care"( who lives or dies) and they want total control of all means of production, including agriculture (control of who gets to eat).
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    Celina, I would counsel you to ignore pretty much anything Invicta says about prophecy. His position on such matters is certainly not Baptist, and it is also not Biblical. He will lead into false interpretive practices, and therefore to false conclusions.
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    I Got a job Praise God! In two weeks I'll be being trained on small engine repair! Thank you to everyone for your input and anyone that has prayed!
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    It doesn't matter how many people say it, it is wrong. I would not call them Independent Baptists if they believe they can lose their salvation. This is what God says on this subject: Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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    Wow! what a question. For starters. All of the things that you listed are part of the spiritual warfare in our lives. We are in a warfare against our flesh, this present evil world, and Satan (see 1 John 2:15 &16). This whole world is full of wickednss, 1 John 5:19 1. It is resisting temptation. 2. It is standing for the truth.Jude 3 3. It is an internal stuggle. See Romans Chapter 6 and 7 I could go on and on. for example. 1. False religions. 2. False Bibles. 3. False ministers. 4. False churches. It takes a spiritual person to discern the false from the true; see 1 Corinthians 2:13 and 14 The good news is that we can have victory in our lives as we live for the Lord and walk in the Spirit. John 16:33, Romans 7:25, and other passages. I would suggest a close reading of the book of Romans and 1 John to get a better understanding of the spiritual warfare that we are in. God bless you as you seek the truth in battling the spiritual warfare. Paul said, "Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ." 2 Timothy 2:3 Alan
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    That's what's so upsetting to me about it Bro. John. I'm sure they put these nifty little sayings up, because they think it's cute or whatever; however, they are proclaiming to the people who ride by (who may never hear the true gospel), a false way to heaven. How can they not see that? It blows my mind...
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    What I thought was amazing was how the scientists and biologists can explain, more or less,the mechanics of how everything happens, but can't begin to say WHY or HOW they do, how there can be such perfect...synchronicity, for lack of a better work, how everything can know exactly it's job, how everything can be so completely ordered and in place, like a city, with power plants, (the mitochondria) and a capitol (the nucleus), roadways (tubules), Factories to process DNA to usable proteins (Ribosomes), and so forth. If everything doesn't do exactly it's job, each time, in the exact place and way, the cell will cease to function, and mitosis can't occur. As well, no part of a cell exists anywhere outside the cell-so where did they come from to assemble into a cell? How could they assemble and automatically know how to perform each precise function immediately and perfectly from the very first cell? That would be like hiring 1,000 or so people off the street, throwing them into a car factory with no training or knowledge of what they were supposed to do, yet each one goes automatically to the station they need to be at and begin to do their job exactly as needed, and immediately begin to produce perfect cars. And honestly, THAT would be easier than a cell being evolved, because at least the humans have brains and can think-the parts of a cell have their jobs pre-programmed to do exactly what they must.
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    Now, your country has been invaded by hordes of Muslims and now even the mayor of London is one of them. Unlike those European immigrants of days gone by, the vast majority of these people will not assimilate. They fully intend to over-run your country and do away with your culture and are becoming much more bold about it too. It is only going to get worse. Our country has already allowed a Muslim to hold the highest office in our land which I still consider unconscionable . But now, in our country, I believe President Trump may be part of the last line of defense because, in spite of his faults, he actually cares about the U.S., unlike Obama who was bent on destroying it. Yes, we have both "duty" and "rights" and these are outlined in our Bible. Our "duty" is to be concerned with the "rights" of others.
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    Hi everyone! I would like your prayers. As I've mentioned before, I use theWord Bible software. I've also mentioned using the dictionary Robert Cawdrey's "A Table Alphabeticall" as a study aid. It was released in 1604 and can assist in what some words (used in the King James) meant at that time. As I've looked through it, It's truly amazing at how some definitions have changed since then. I'm in the process of trying to make "A Table Alphabeticall" into a module for theWord, and I then hope to make it freely available to other users. It's a daunting task, and it will take some time to do since my time is so limited. However, I think it's worth the effort and would help others.
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    Repentance does not JUST mean a change of mind. Repentance ALSO means sincere regret or remorse. And God says repentance is necessary. "Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." God's the One Who said it: repentance is necessary to salvation. That in no way indicates that stopping a sin is what leads to salvation. SORROW for sin is necessary. God said so, and that settles it.
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    Now, I'm opposed to littering, so don't think I would take the "good ol' boys" side; however, my distaste for enviro-mongers may be stronger. After witnessing this, I mulled it over and thought about my response if I were ever attacked by an enviro-monger... Enviro-monger: WE...ARE...TRYING...TO...SAVE...THE...PLANET! YOU'RE KILLING OUR PLANET!!! Me: Huh? Enviro-monger: YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEVASTATION OF OUR PLANET!!! Me: Oh dear! Did you know that the Bible says that "while the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease"? Enviro-monger: I DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE!!! I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE! YOU'RE KILLING OUR PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!! Me: Oh dear! Okay, I understand. May I ask you something? Enviro-monger: AS LONG AS YOU STOP KILLING OUR PLANET...yes. Me: Do you drive a car? Do you use air-conditioning and heat? Do you use ANY paper products and/or plastic products? Do you faithfully recycle? What about when you eat out at a fast-food restaurant...do they recycle the trash that you throw into their trash cans? Do you use hair products? Do you conserve water? Have you completely switched over to either solar or wind power? Do you...etc., etc., etc.? Enviro-monger: Well...er...uhm... Me: YOU'RE KILLING OUR PLANET!!!
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    Good for you HS! I hope it works out! To be honest, when I first saw this thread, I thought it was an elaborate joke! It wasn't until your second post that I realized it was real... Unfortunately, if I were lucky enough to have a man-cave, this is the best I could hope for...a man-grotto.
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    You "gave your life to Christ" 20 yrs ago. 10 people might define that 6-10 different ways. What do you mean? How does that work? If someone came to you and said, "Hey how can I get all my sins forgiven?", what would you tell them? Yes, I asked 3 separate questions.
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    Very true quote. I see the "Christian" ranks diving in my own city. I have noticed that the traditional more "moderate" churches are mostly attended by Seinor Citizens who have been devoted to that specific congregation for a life time, but are not attracting middle aged worshippers (unless they turn Sundays into a rock concert and never mention sin in sermons). I know of a church that had 500 regular attenders just a little over two years ago, but have dwindled to 300 hundred because 200 people died of old age during those two,years. The IFB church I attend is growing rapidly with pews filled with members of every age group. There is no middle ground any more. If you believe in the Basic Fundamental Christian teachings there are only a few churches left to choose from. At the same time the liberals are looking for like minded congregations where faith is viewed as some historic tradition, so they don't have to feel guilty about living a lifestyle contrary to Biblical teachings.
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    Our church only has a small sign, with room for the service times and such. Like NN, I really wonder if some who put up the "witty" sayings on their signs even bother to think about what they put up. Considering the false belief that if one is "good enough" they will go to heaven, it's so dangerous to put up a sign which gives the idea that if one "lives right" they will go to heaven. Many people who won't bother to step inside a church will yet read church signs as they drive by. If Scripture or at least something scriptural can't be put forth, leave the sign blank rather than helping the devil with promoting false hope.
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    I don't see why they can't just put Scripture up on the sign instead of trying to be cutesy or witty.