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  1. 4 points
    HappyChristian

    The beauty of creation

    It rarely snows in our neck of the woods (well, in the mountains it does, but we are thousands of feet below...). In the two winters we've been here, we've only had a couple of dustings. And that's usually closer to Christmas and/or in January. But this past Saturday we got an early surprise. At our house we got about an inch - not much by some standards, I know, but it's a big deal in an area that, as I said, rarely gets snow - and never this early. This picture was taken by someone in town. I'm not overly fond of snow, but I do love snowy scenes.
  2. 4 points
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    A Stalwart Friend
  3. 4 points
    Roselove

    Interview for my mom

    Please pray for my mom, she is having a hard time at her current job and she had an interview today and it went well it seems. They want to have her back tomorrow for a second one, please pray for God's will to be done!
  4. 4 points
    HappyChristian

    The beauty of creation

    Let's not turn this thread into a discussion on eschatology - it's a thread designed to showcase the beauty of God's creation. Feel free to start a thread elsewhere discussing the two witnesses. Thanks.
  5. 4 points
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    Hello! Things are kinda slow today. I can barely get going.
  6. 3 points
    Alimantado

    Activity on Online Baptist

    I still check in very occasionally. Good to see you again, PastorJ. Was it late 2000s when you were here last? If I recall correctly, back then OB had well over 50 active, daily contributors making something like 100 new posts per day (John81 alone was adding about 10 of those). I remember the 'Current News' and 'Lounge' sections were so busy that new posts would drop off the bottom within a day or so and I used to browse by section and thread because it wasn't realistic to view by recent activity--just too much. On a given thread I'd sometimes have to go back a couple of pages to pick up where I'd left off. Now the activity level is a dozen or so regular folk and half-a-dozen posts per day, maybe up to 50 per week. It must, at least, partly be down to general trends in web usage, for mailing lists, forums and chatrooms have declined and disappeared all over. Of course, on OB as it once was, the theological/doctrinal discussions were just a subset of all the activity and the spectrum of members was broader, maybe a bit more like church, with all that brings. I expect some would say that God has blessed this forum by ending its heady days and keeping the wheat, but I do rather miss those busier times. I hope this forum is still a blessing to many, since there are always more reading than writing. And thanks to Matt for keeping it running.
  7. 3 points
    Alan

    Activity on Online Baptist

    I am still trying to cross the road. Confession time. I must 'fess up, I just haven't been active much lately. Hmmm? Maybe I need to start a new, humdinger of a controversial subject.
  8. 3 points
    Words Spoken by a Man in Hell for over 2000 years!!! And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' 29 Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' 30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' 31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' " Luke 16:24-31
  9. 3 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    Cows aren't the most majestic creatures to photograph (although Highland cattle are adorable), but combined with early morning fog, I thought they looked striking. Also took a picture of a weed. Even pesky plants can look beautiful.
  10. 3 points
    PreacherBen

    Deeper, Still

    Deeper, Still My troubles seemed to overwhelm, Why must things seem so ill? I cried out, "Oh, how deep my wounds," But his love was deeper, still. My debt hung over like a cloud, How could I pay this bill? "Lord, I've reached my lowest point!" But his love was deeper, still. My heart was aching for relief Who can this hunger fill? "Must emptiness be always here?" But his love was deeper, still. My journey seemed too much for me, As if twas all up hill. "My energy is tapped, I'm spent!" But his love was deeper, still. My eyes then lifted from my lot, And gazed upon a hill, "Lord, you gave all, for one like me?" But his love was deeper, still. So now I see that though lifes trials, May exceed my strength or will, He can meet my deepest need, And his love is deeper, still.
  11. 3 points
    I'll leave the preparations for the Post Tribulation folks, I'm not going to be here.
  12. 3 points
    Donald Jones

    Closer to the Lord Jesus

    Sure, my pleasure, through a life of growing up in a Catholic School, living a life of sin and being of the the world, then searching in other denominations such as SDA, Pentacostal, Evangelical I then began to look up some history on the bible. I was confused as to why there were so many churches and bibles. If God was able to give us his word then there should only be one. In 2006 I was on the internet and listened to a Pastor Anderson preaching, he just started his church and I was drawn how he preached. First explaining about KJV only being the inherent word of God which made sense to me, then giving the Gospel as it was literally written, Salvation through Christ Jesus through faith only and not of works. It all made sense to me finally after so many years of deception. My wife and myself then knew this was the way in which the Bible began to reveal the truth to us. We confessed that we were sinners, we believed in our heart the God had raised Jesus from the dead just as it is written in Romans 10:9 and 10. We were then baptized in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church in Castlegar BC. and that was quite some time ago, since then life has been a challenge but I have always known that Jesus was always with me.
  13. 2 points
    I make no claims of being right, but I would venture to say that all of this >> "probably" << came from the folks who put too much stock in the Babylonian's "ancient" Sanskrit writings.
  14. 2 points
    Pastorj

    Have you heard this statement?

    When my family traveled working with small churches, I came across this a few times. The one that was amazing to me was in Florida. I went out with an individual and it was my turn to talk. I started up a nice conversation with this lady on her doorstep. She was very willing to talk. After presenting the Gospel, I asked her if she had ever heard that before. She told me that she had, but didn't believe it. After some more discussion, my partner asked her if he could pray with her. To my amazement, he led her in the sinners prayer. After he was done, I stopped him and told her that she was not saved, but she could be if she would pray something similar believing. I then took my partner back to the church. On the way back, he was livid that we were stopping soul-winning and that I told her she wasn't saved after he "Led her to Christ". It was not a fun conversation, but I spent a good hour explaining to him that a prayer doesn't save. After we were done, the pastor showed up and he had a conversation with the Pastor. He reinforced what I had told him and it finally clicked with him. He was zealous to lead people to the Lord, but at been taught wrong.
  15. 2 points
    Rebecca

    What are you thankful for?

    The American celebration of Thanksgiving is this month. It's usually a time when we reflect on the blessings we've received, and so I thought a thread dedicated to sharing those blessings would be a good idea. For me, after five years on the mission field I didn't have a proper oven, and now I do. And I'm so thankful for it that I did the unthinkable and signed up to cook a turkey for my church's Thanksgiving banquet! I'm also thankful for the safety God has given me while traveling. There has been two clear instances when I know God had been protecting me, and I'm sure many more I'll never know about. I'm thankful for my Pastor helping me find a cell phone that works even out in the middle of nowhere. I'm thankful that I turned the porch light on and looked out before I opened the door and stepped on the skunk.
  16. 2 points
    Y'all could pass for my daughters! As for me, it's been a tough couple of years health wise and otherwise. I grew sick and tired of the heretics, for a while it seemed i was outnumbered, that I was the heathen so I withdrew to spend time in more profitable endeavors. I miss Jerry Numbers, John81 and Irishman and others.
  17. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Have you heard this statement?

    This is not a made up story, it really happened and I heard the testimony. In our church we have a short time of testimony and praise as part of our service. One Sunday morning a new young lady came to service and gave this testimony. It seems she was a part of a group of twenty "soul winners" that went out soul winning the previous day, a Saturday. Her testimony of praise was that the result of their soul winning efforts resulted in twenty people being "saved". This young lady went on to become a member of our church and is still a very active soul winner. I believe that she is a genuine Christian and very sincere in her beliefs and Christian life. In this context it is amazing to me that someone like this can go on actually believing that their "easy believism" methods result in genuine conversions of the people they witness to. It is even harder to understand how they can hold to this method in light of no fruit of the Spirit, no subsequent Baptism, and no church attendance after the original encounter at the door. I fear for the people that misguided soul winners witness to. These people may well go on in their lost condition and hardened to any subsequent Gospel witness simply because they believe that they have been saved because they repeated a "sinner's prayer." I believe that this sort of door knocking evangelism actually quenches the convicting and saving work of The Holy Spirit and substitutes a man made formula instead.
  18. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Bro. Alan. I am behind you in my reading of Larkin's work. But since you stated that you would like other's comments as thoughts came to them I thought I would make a short comment on something that I have often taken exception with. It has to do with Larkin's observations in his section on the Tri-Unity of God. I speak specifically of his assertion that The Trinity was present at the Baptism of Jesus. While I do believe that The Trinity was present at the Baptism of Jesus and that this is a strong proof verse for the argument that there is a Trinity, I take strong exception with Larkin and most others teaching that the "HOLY SPIRIT" was present in the form of a "Dove." Mat 3:16-17. While my views in opposition to this teaching are not something that I would break fellowship over, I do believe that for the sake of clarity and proper "rightly dividing" I have always taken exception to this teaching regarding the form the Holy Spirit took in this Scripture. John clearly says that he saw The Spirit of God "descending like a dove." To me this speaks expressly to the manner in which The Spirit of God descended, not the actual form He descended in. I hope my observation and understanding does not seem too "picky', but this has always been my point of departure with the teaching of most on this subject. It is because of this one verse that we see The Holy Spirit depicted by most teachers and writers as a dove in picture form in their work.
  19. 2 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    Another early morning.
  20. 2 points
    Invicta

    The beauty of creation

    We have not had snow lately in fact this year the cold weather has only started over the last few days. We had a frost at the beginning of the week. I have had some citrus trees in pots outside and I brought three indoors last week and the last one I but under glass Sunday evening ready for the frost Monday morning.
  21. 2 points
    (Omega)

    The beauty of creation

    I'm sorry...I don't have a pictures. I live in a impoverished city where there is not much beauty to take pictures of as the ones above me. But I can speak on the Beauty of Creation, who's architect of the of New Jerusalem is God Himself. A city that is untouched by the curse of a fallen creation, which is why it exists in the 3rd heaven, because the first and the second heavens have been tainted. Yet beauty can still be found in it. We all know that the new heavens and the new earth is going to be astounding because there is no more curse. Even though we live in a fallen world, God's creative handiwork in the beauty of creation can still be seen and cherished. In the New Jerusalem, the bible describes the streets as made of pure gold as "transparent" glass. It is unlike any gold found here on earth. The reason why it is transparent is so the Glory of God can radiate through it. Just as the clearer a diamond is, the more expensive it costs. I believe the New Jerusalem will appear like one gigantic transparent diamond in it purest form so God's amazing Glory can shine through it and light the entire infinite universe. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. (Revelation 12:12) There is also the Tree of Life that produces 12 variations of fruits. Now this is just ONE tree. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Revelation 22:2) The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations...Since we will have glorified bodies, why the "healing"? The Greek word for healing is "therapeuo", which where we get the word therapy. A cool breeze of wind is therapeutic. A vitamin is therapeutic, but we don't really need it to survive, but it enhances life. The leaves will enhance our lives even with our celestial bodies. Even the water of life is transparent so the Glory of God can radiate through it: And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. (Revelation 22:1) The twelve manner of fruits represents variety in the New Jerusalem, we're not going to be just playing harps for all of eternity and floating on clouds. We will serving God...the possibilities are endless, especially when there is a new Universe. And the gates are never closed, indicating that we can enter in and out to wherever we have to go to serve The Lord God Almighty. What's also beautiful are the gates, they are not "pearly" gates, but they are A pearl -- one giant pearl. How beautiful! And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. (Revelation 21:21) Pearls are formed when the oyster is (I can use the word pierced) or injured. And it's interesting how our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was pierced and died for our sins, and the result is Eternal Life and a New beautiful creation that is yet to behold. God Bless, Daniel
  22. 2 points
    (Omega)

    Prayer for David

    David is one of my closest friends, and I consider him like a brother. He has a serious problem with drugs and alcohol. He went to Christian counseling classes a few years back but has recently backslid seriously. I think the reason is because him and his mom don't get along. They cuss at each other and his mom smacks him around like a ragdoll while on drugs. I've noticed that there are several dark entities in his home that manifest in physical form. A 7ft man in a fedora hat and trench coat that no light can penetrate him. he is a solid figure with no distinguishable features that can be made out. Then there is another one that manifests as a doll that moves. Then there is one that masquerades as his ex girlfriend. Another one masquerades as an "alien" (most likely a demon), and a similar one with red eyes with horns. I mentioned these because I believe that this is a sign that some of these demons are inviting other demons in his home. Anyway, I pray that God will bring spiritual healing to his family and his mom will be saved. I also pray that his family will stop being drunkards and drug addicts and surrender their lives over to Jesus and be permanently healed. I pray for David to overcome these problems and become a mighty man of God and one day be a minister of God and bring people to Christ. Please pray fervently over this. Thank you brothers and sisters in Christ.
  23. 2 points
    (Omega)

    Baptism.....

    While were on the topic of Baptism... There are a lot of "baptizers" who do not know how to baptize according to scripture, such as the RCC (Roman Catholic Church), who I consider modern day Pharisees. And there is no such thing as infant baptism. As a missionary, I baptize true believers. Whenever, and wherever...as long as there is enough water for the person to be completely submerged in. The Greek for for baptize is "baptizo", and it means to completely submerse in, not sprinkle water over. And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. (John 3:23) I baptize believers wherever there is "much water". In the bathtub, beaches, anywhere there a believer can be completely submersed. It is a direct command from our Lord to be baptized. I would say to get baptized as soon as you are converted: And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. (Acts 2:37,38) God Bless, Daniel
  24. 2 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Sister Rose, Concerning Matthew 7:21-23 – “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” In order to correctly understand our Lord’s teaching in Matthew 7:21-23, I believe that we must understand two important elements of this teaching. 1. First, we must understand the judgement that our Lord pronounces against the given group of this context. It is not significantly important whether our Lord professed His judgment, or confessed His judgment. Rather, it is much more important to understand the actual judgment that He expressed. Even so, this judgment includes three parts: (1) The Confrontation – “I never knew you” (2) The Condemnation – “Depart from me” (3) The Classification – “Ye that work iniquity” The key to understanding our Lord’s judgment is bound up in the word “never.” Herein the Greek word that is translated “never” means just that – “never, not ever at all whatsoever.” As such, our Lord indicated that He never at all whatsoever knew these individuals as His own people. It is not that these individuals possessed eternal salvation at one time, and then somehow lost their salvation. Rather, it is that they NEVER possessed eternal salvation at any time whatsoever at all. It is not that these individuals were the children of God at one time, and then somehow ceased to be the children of God. Rather, it is that they NEVER were the children at any time whatsoever at all. For this very reason the Lord condemned them to depart from Him, such that they could not enter into the kingdom of heaven, but were cast out into the eternal judgment of hell. Indeed, for this very reason the Lord classified them as those who worked sinful iniquity. They may have classified their works as good works, but the Lord classified their works as iniquity and classified them themselves as the workers of iniquity. In no manner whatsoever did the Lord classify them or their works as acceptable in His sight. Indeed, according to Proverbs 21:4, our Lord views even the plowing of the unsaved wicked as sinful iniquity in His sight. 2. Second, we must understand the argument that the given group of this context presented unto the Lord. Now, let us take note that this context is specifically about who will or will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Furthermore, let us take note that this context is about those who follow a Biblically based religion; for only such would say, “Lord, Lord,” unto the Lord Jesus Christ. Finally, let us take note that this context is about judgment day and about the determination by which individuals shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Contextually then, the religious individuals of this context present the power of their good works as the foundational evidence by which they should be permitted entrance into the kingdom of heaven. Yet does God’s Holy Word teach us that good works are the true foundation by which individuals may enter into the kingdom of heaven? No, it does NOT. Rather, God’s Holy Word teaches us that the true foundation by which we sinners shall enter into the kingdom of heaven is in being born again and eternally saved by God’s grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. These individuals were not trusting in Christ, but in their own good, religious, powerful works. Thus they were NEVER known by the Lord as His own people. Yet the Lord did not at all deny their performance of these good, religious works; nor did the Lord deny that they employed His very name in the performance of their works. Indeed, they had performed these works and had claimed the name of the Lord while performing them. Yet their works in the Lord’s name did not matter. They were NEVER known by the Lord as His own people because they had NEVER placed their trust wholly and only in Him as Savior. So then, from where did they acquire the power to perform their supernatural works? Since they did not receive that power from the Lord, they could only have received it from the Lord’s great adversary, the devil. Sister Rose, I pray that this answer was of help in answering your questions. If not, please ask any further question that you might concerning the matter.
  25. 2 points
    Alan

    Help Needed in Winning Souls

    Very good question Steve. A testimony, in soul-winning efforts, is a personal story of how the Lord Jesus convicted a person of their sins, realized their need of salvation from an eternity in hell, they then trusted in the Lord Jesus as their own Saviour, and then they relate their experience to others in an effort to see other people turn from their sins and trust in Christ as their Saviour. Normally, when a person wants to see other people saved, they get involved with the visitation time at the church. As a small word of my testimony. After I trusted in Christ as my Saviour (in January 1972, after reading a gospel tract and John 3:16, I believed in Christ as my Saviour), I felt the need to go to church (I was raised in a non-church, non-Christian, and atheistic household). A friend of mine, through his testimony as a Christian, led me to a church (a southern Baptist Church I found out later), and I started to grow as a Christian. At church I discovered that they had a time of visitation where they went out and visited homes, and passed out tracts, in an effort to see other people saved. As time progressed, and I visited people, I was able to share my personal testimony with other people. Steve, I would suggest that you get involved in a local independent, fundamental, Baptist church, and start going out visiting with the pastor. At this time, I would not suggest that you write a biography. As time progresses, and you learn from the pastor, and you have a solid testimony of salvation, ask the pastor how you can be a better witness in other areas. Alan
  26. 2 points
    Ronda

    Analyzing the Chinese word, 'Righteousness.'

    Thank you for the Chinese lesson as well as the teaching, brother Alan. And brother Jim, What a wonderful joy to have been used of the Lord to help lead Wu Cheng to salvation in Jesus! It's been a while since I have felt that thrill of exhilaration and pure joy that we get when someone isn't just interested, but actually believes and accepts Christ, even more when they (as had did) has the desire to evangelize his Chinese friends and family. (And as you said, his thirst for God's word being insatiable, you knew he truly had come to Christ). While there have been several people take an interest in God's word lately as I witness to the unsaved world, sadly, they are soon "turned off" (so to speak) when they find out that God isn't going to guarantee to grant their every wish nor fix all their worldly problems. I spent a good deal of time answering (with scripture) questions from a secular friend. She had (sadly) been watching a TV evangelist and was under the belief she would be healed and receive riches and prosperity in this life if she found a "prayer partner" to "pray in agreement" with her. It angers me greatly the harm that these false teachers and wolves have done. It was rather a long ordeal trying to deprogram her. And so I first started with the gospel. Sadly, she wanted to SKIP that.... and as you know we can't do that. Over the course of a few weeks, I then also explained to her that God doesn't work like waving a wand over us and fixing all our problems here on earth... but rather I took her to the scripture pertaining to eternal rewards instead. There is much more to this account, but in a short summation she really wasn't interested in eternal salvation, she (sadly) still was of the belief she is a "good person", even though I'd used much scripture to explain to her that we are all sinners in need of a savior, and all our good works of what we call righteousness are like filthy rags to God. I explained Rom.3:10 to her, and many others. I also explained that Jesus was the one and only acceptable propitiation (payment) for our sins, etc. She just wanted interested... she wanted immediate gratification, and all her worldly problems fixed "right now". She'd been brainwashed by the TV evangelist into believing if she just had someone to "pray in agreement" with her, all her worldly woes would be over :( She wanted immediate health and wealth... she didn't want to admit she was a sinner in need of savior, and there are no short-cuts to that! She wasn't willing to believe that Jesus died for her sins, was buried and rose the third day (1 Cor.15:1-4), in fact as long as she still thinks she is a "good person", it's not likely she will see her need for salvation at all, no matter the scriptural warnings. And that is one of the "better" experience I've had of late... most often I am cussed out, threatened, given "facebook jail" (24-72 hour bans) for posting Bible verses that offends anyone, and mocking... always the mocking from those who believe their "god" is false science (1 Tim.6:20). I truly hope it is not this way for everyone, and that there are still some coming to Christ in the world. These are truly the perilous last days forewarned of in 2 Tim.3:1-7,13. Not just that, but a marked increase in those whom God Himself has turned over to a reprobate mind (Rom.1:18-32). Receptivity of the unsaved is at an all time low that I've ever seen in my lifetime. And hostility towards the gospel, or even any of God's word, is also increasing greatly. Nonetheless I will keep posting the gospel and scripture to the unsaved world in the places they most need to hear it, it may be that I plant or water, and it's up to God whether there be an increase. Maranatha!
  27. 2 points
    Alan

    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Thank you for your in-depth study and analysis on the whole article; particularly on the author's usage of a corrupt manuscript, and a distortion of the Greek language, in order to promote a false teaching. Is it no wonder that some of God's saints are confused when they study under these false teachers?
  28. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Saved in 3 tenses?

    An excellent critique of this work Bro. Scott. You are spot on in asking, "which is it"? That author can't have it both ways just to suit his whims.
  29. 2 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Saved in 3 tenses?

    In his first main point, the author of the article presented the following: (https://edgarsreflections.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/what-did-jesus-mean-by-“i-will-lose-nothing”-in-john-639/amp/) In the first paragraph of this point, the author made two significantly firm assertions, as follows: (emboldening in the quotes was added by Pastor Scott Markle) (1) "The 'given ones' in the Gospel of John always refer to the JEWISH disciples of Jesus back in his time." (2) "Within the context of the Gospel of John the 'given ones' always refer to the disciples." Then the author of the article focused upon our Lord Jesus Christ's prayer in John 17 in order to support his assertions. I myself have three points of conflict with this presentation: In the first place -- In order to define the phrase, "all that the Father giveth me," in John 6:37, the author of the article focused completely upon John 17. Yet he did not focus upon the immediate context of John 6:35-65 at all. However, it would seem to me that the FIRST place which we should consider in order to define a phrase is the immediate context itself, if there is anything therein to aid our understanding. So then, is there anything in the immediate context of John 6:35-65 to aid us in understanding the meaning for the opening phrase of John 6:37 -- "All that the Father giveth me"? With this phrase of John 6:37 our Lord Jesus Christ spoke concerning the relationship of God the Father toward those who will come unto the Lord Jesus Christ through faith as Savior. In two other verses of the immediate context, our Lord Jesus Christ also spoke concerning this relationship. These two verses are John 6:44-45, wherein our Lord Jesus Christ declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." Through each of these three verses individually (John 6:37, John 6:44, and John 6:45), we are taught a sequence of events that lead unto an individual's coming unto Christ. Through John 6:37 we learn: 1. God the Father gives certain individuals unto God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. 2. All whom God the Father gives unto God the Son do indeed come unto God the Son. 3. God the Son will in no wise cast out any who come unto Him. Through John 6:44 we learn: 1. God the Father must draw an individual unto God the Son in order for an individual to have the ability to come unto the Son. 2. God the Son will raise up at the last day any who who come unto Him. Through John 6:45 we learn: 1. God the Father engages in a work of teaching unto all, in order to teach them of their need for God the Son as Savior. 2. Some individuals listen unto and learn from God the Father's teaching concerning God the Son as Savior. 3. Every individual who listens unto and learns from God the Father's teaching does indeed come unto God the Son. Now, when we bring the teaching of these three individual verses together, we may come to a better contextual understanding concerning God the Father's work in relation to those who come unto the Lord Jesus Christ through faith as Savior. First, we recognize that John 6:45 is provided as an explanation for John 6:44; therefore, John 6:45 reveals how and whom God the Father draws unto God the Son. Indeed, God the Father draws through engaging in a work of teaching; and God the Father engages in this drawing work of teaching upon ALL individuals. Yet all do NOT come unto God the Son through faith. Rather, only those individuals who listen unto and learn from God the Father's drawing work of teaching actually come unto God the Son. On the other hand, EVERY SINGLE ONE who listens unto and learns from God the Father's drawing work of teaching DO INDEED come unto God the Son. As such, these individuals would be equivalent unto those whom God the Father GIVES unto God the Son; for ALL whom God the Father gives unto God the Son DO INDEED come unto God the Son. Even so, we now can compile the sequence from all three verses, as follows: 1. God the Father draws all individuals unto God the Son through a work of teaching to teach them of their need for the Son. 2. Some individuals listen unto and learn from God the Father's teaching concerning God the Son as Savior. 3. God the Father gives unto God the Son every individual (all) who listens unto and learns from His drawing work of teaching. 4. All whom God the Father gives unto God the Son, because they listened unto and learned from His drawing work of teaching, DO INDEED come unto the God the Son through faith as Savior. Through this contextual study, we are able to discern a contextual definition for those whom God the Father gives unto God the Son (the "given ones"). The "given ones" are those who respond unto God the Father's drawing work of teaching by listening unto it and learning from it. Now, if John 6:37 applies only unto Jewish believers during the time of our Lord's earthly ministry, then in the context John 6:44-45 must also apply ONLY unto them. However, if John 6:44-45 applies unto both Jews and Gentiles both during the time of our Lord's earthly ministry and today, then John 6:37 also applies unto both groups in both times. In the second place -- The primary argument that the author of the article sought to make in his first main point is that within the context of the Gospel of John the "given ones" by God the Father ALWAYS refer unto the Jewish disciples of Jesus back in the time of His early ministry, and unto none others. Now, it would seem to me that if the author of the article desired to demonstrate this "always" assertion for the context of the Gospel of John, he would then make reference unto EVERY time wherein the "given ones" by God the Father are referenced throughout the Gospel of John. Yet the author of the article did NOT do this. There are actually three passages wherein these "given ones" by God the Father are referenced. The first of these passages is John 6:37, which is the passage under question. The third of these passages is John 17:6, 9, 11-12, upon which the author of the article placed a significant amount of focus. However, the second of these passages is John 10:29, unto which the author of the article made no reference whatsoever at all. So then, let us consider this passage that the author of the article completely neglected. In John 10:27-30 our Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one." (emboldening added by Pastor Scott Markle) So then, who all are included among God the Son's sheep according to the context of John 10:1-30, these sheep whom God the Father gave unto God the Son? The answer is found through two important verses within the context. First, in John 10:9 our Lord Jesus Christ declared, "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." So then, God the Son's sheep are those who enter through Him as the Door of Salvation, and who are thereby saved. Second, in John 10:16 our Lord Jesus Christ declared, "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." Within this context, the fold that our Lord described as "this fold" would have been the Jewish "fold." Furthermore, those whom the Lord described as the "other sheep" would be from the Gentile "fold." Yet our Lord indicated with the conclusion of John 10:16 that all of those sheep who would become His by entering through Him unto salvation, both from the Jewish "fold" and the Gentile "fold," would become ONE fold of saved sheep with ONE Shepherd, God the Son Himself. Even so, within this context God the Son's sheep, as referenced in John 10:27-30, would include ALL who enter in and are saved by God the Son through faith, not just the Jewish disciples during the time of our Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry. So then, we learn that the author of the article is simply not accurate when he asserts that within the context of the Gospel of John the "given ones" by God the Father ALWAYS refer unto the Jewish disciples of Jesus back in the time of His early ministry, and unto none others. Furthermore, we also may take notice that John 10:27-30 also teaches eternal security through the authority and power of God unto all of God the Son's sheep, that is -- unto all of the "given ones" by God the Father. In the third place -- The author of the article supported his assertion for his first main point by placing a significant focus upon the passage of John 17:6, 9, 11-12. First, the author of the article asserted, "Within the context of the Gospel of John the 'given ones' always refer to the disciples. They were the ones whom the Father 'has given' to the Son." Then the author of the article stated his evidence, "The prayer of Jesus in John 17 makes this clear." Now, it is certainly accurate that in John 17:6-19 our Lord Jesus Christ was speaking specifically concerning the eleven apostles (with Judas Iscariot being excluded by our Lord's specific statement in John 17:12). However, in this regard the author of the article presented an inconsistent progression within the context of his own position and argument. First, he stated, "The 'given ones' in the Gospel of John always refer to the JEWISH disciples of Jesus back his time." (emphasis included in the original quote) This statement the author of the article drew from the reference unto physical sight in John 6:36. Thus he indicated that the "given ones" encompass all of the Jewish believers-disciples during our Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry, since they were the only ones who physically saw Him. Yet then the author of the article stated, "Within the context of the Gospel of John the 'given ones' always refer to the disciples. They were the ones whom the Father 'has given' to the Son," which the author of the article supported from John 17:6-19. Yet John 17:6-19 does not refer unto all of the Jewish believers-disciples during our Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry, but only refers unto the eleven apostles alone. So then, we are compelled to ask -- Which is it; do the "given ones" by God the Father encompass all of the believers-disciples during our Lord's earthly ministry, or do the "given ones" by God the Father encompass only the eleven apostles? Furthermore, we should recognize that the context of John 17:6-19 is grammatically more narrow than that of the other passages. The first reference that our Lord Jesus Christ made unto the "given ones" within His prayer of John 17 is found in John 17:6. Yet in this verse our Lord Jesus Christ did not make reference generally unto those whom God the Father had given unto Him. Rather, in this verse our Lord Jesus Christ made reference specifically unto a group of MEN whom God the Father had given unto Him. Therein our Lord said, "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word." (emboldening added by Pastor Scott Markle) As such, throughout the prayer of John 17, our Lord Jesus Christ was not necessarily speaking about all of the individuals whom God the Father had given unto Him, but was very specifically speaking about a specific group of men whom God the Father had given unto Him. Yet in the context of John 6:37, our Lord Jesus Christ did NOT communicate that He was narrowing the "given ones" by God the Father only unto a specific group of MEN. Rather, in John 6:37 our Lord Jesus Christ spoke more generally concerning those whom God the Father had given unto Him, even as He spoke more generally in John 10:27-30. Thus when we seek for a Biblical comparison for John 6:37, we find that the context of John 10:1-30 serves as a far better comparison than does the context of John 17:6-19. (Note: The quotation of John 17:6 by the author of the article does not include this specific reference unto "the men." Rather, his quotation of the the verse reads as follows, "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word." (emboldening added by Pastor Scott Markle) The reason for this is because the author of the article was not quoting from the King James translation, but from some other translation. Yet the Greek word "ἀνθρώποις" ("anthropois"), which is the plural of the Greek word meaning "man," is very specifically found in the Greek text of John 17:6. Indeed, this Greek word is specifically found in the Received Text, as well as in the Westcott-Hort text and in the Nestle-Aland (27th ed.) text. As such, the quotation that the author of the article employed simply came from a looser translation of the verse than that which is found in the King James translation. In addition, that looseness in translation allowed for a distortion in the understanding of John 17:6.) However, the author of the article presented two more main points in his argument. Therefore, there is yet more for us to consider. Sister Rose, are you following this information thus far; or do you have any questions about this information?
  30. 2 points
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    We always enjoy viewing our feathered friends.
  31. 1 point
    Alan

    Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Brethren, I would like to do a review of the book written by Clarence Larkin, "The Spirit World." For those brethren who do not have a copy, a free PDF copy can be obtained by the following website: http://www.earnestlycontendingforthefaith.com/Books/Clarence Larkin/TheSpiritWorld/ClarenceLarkinTheSpiritWorld01.html I would suggest that those who obtain the PDF copy "The Spirit world" to read the foreword. The material contained in Larkin's, "The Spirit World," both written and how he presents it on the charts, is, except for a few notable exceptions, excellent material for a better understanding of the scriptures. In my previous study on Larkin's, "The Book of Revelation, " I brought out some of the issues I disagree with. One of the notable exceptions is that, on rare occasions, Larkin will use a different version of the scriptures. The brethren at the website, 'Earnestly Contending for the Faith,' removed these corrupt versions and inserted the KJV text. Looking forward to some good discussions, questions, comments, and good fellowship in this study. Regards, Alan
  32. 1 point
    If the brethren want to know the scientific truth that debunks the Planet X theory; than listen to the following video by NASA scientist Dr. Morrison. Using a layman's terminology, Dr. Morrison explains why Planet X, Nibiru, or the Brown Star Theory hurtling towards Earth, are all hoax's.
  33. 1 point
    Alan

    Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Ronda, Thank you for your comments. The question, when Samuel stated, "... be with me..." is referring to paradise to be with Samuel, or, did Samuel mean to die: like Samuel was. In my own mind, I think the Lord had Samuel deliberately phrased it so we could not know for certain. Personally, I lean towards the thought that the phrase, "... be with me ..." refers to the fact that Samuel was dead and that the next day King Saul and his sons would die in battle. I also agree with you, and I have brought out several times, that in Larkin's "The Spirit World," I am somewhat disappointed in some of his thoughts. Alan
  34. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    Have you heard this statement?

    I believe that Life Style evangelism is encapsulated in this that the Apostle Paul said. 1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
  35. 1 point
    Invicta

    Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Thanks Alan I don't agree with you but if I post my view I will do it on another thread,
  36. 1 point
    The story of the rich man and Lazarus ought to make us more zealous in our soul-winning efforts and have a greater compassion for the lost.
  37. 1 point
    Rosie

    Prayer for David

    I understand how you feel about leaving him on the streets but there does come a time when you need to think of your own safety...continuing to pray
  38. 1 point
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Indeed. We must ever remember that the devil's absolutely greatest weapon against humanity, to keep the lost from salvation and to keep the saved from faithfulness, is DECEPTION. Certainly, the devil would not want the casting out of an evil spirit in order that the delivered individual might trust in Christ, as in the cases wherein our Lord Jesus Christ cast out evil spirits. However, the devil would have no problem whatsoever empowering such events if he could use them as a tool of deception, especially if he could use them as a tool to deceive multiple individuals or even multitudes of individuals.
  39. 1 point
    Alan

    Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    A Brief Overview of the Contents of The Spirit World Clarence Larkin published the book in 1921. In his Foreward he states that it was due to the rise of "Spiritism" as of communicating with the dead that prompted him to write this book. He stated that he had the hope that those caught up in "Spiritism" would see the truths of the scripture concerning the spirit world. Larkin deals with 19 aspects of the spirit world: from an overview of the beings in the spirit world, the Trinity, Satan, Fallen angels, the death of a person, the resurrections, the judgments and other matters in the spirit world. These 19 aspects of the spirit world are divided into 19 chapters. We will discuss each aspect of the spirit world as we discuss each chapter. Included in the book are 28 pictures depicting Bible scenes related to the subjects that he discusses. Unless necessary to the discussion, I will probably not discuss the pictures, nor photograph them, in this study. Included among the various chapters are charts. The charts are invaluable. Clarence Larkin had the ability, the gift from God, to put in chart form an accurate flow of the history of the subjects that he discussed. As in the book overview of Larkin's "Book of Revelation," we will discuss the charts as needed. I would encourage all of your to read chapter 1of The Spirit World, called, "The Spirit World," before I begin the Overview of the book. Alan
  40. 1 point
    Invicta

    Clarence Larkin - Revelation

    Thanks Alan sorry to waylay your thread,
  41. 1 point
    Ronda

    Clarence Larkin - Revelation

    Brother Alan, I would very much be interested in a book review on Clarence Larkin's "The Spirit World". I've not (yet) read it myself, not knowing it existed... but have now found a free copy online and plan to read it (God willing). It would be a very timely study, since spiritual warfare is a major issue in the life of believers. (Eph.6:12). I just started the first chapter, and it looks to be an excellent read. Maranatha!
  42. 1 point
    No Nicolaitans

    Whats for Supper...

    Haha! No sir...2 large pizzas, some kind of dessert, and a delivery fee.
  43. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    Whats for Supper...

    You spent $40 for a pizza NN????
  44. 1 point
    Alan

    Clarence Larkin - Revelation

    Brethren, I am considering a book review on Clarence Larkin's, "The Spirit World." As this study on, "The Book of Revelation," brought to the attention of how Larkin uses charts to enable the reader to obtain a more better understanding of the subject matter that he is discussing, and would enable me to forgo the introductory remarks at the beginning of this thread, and be able to just continue with a review of another Clarence Larkin book, I am of the persuasion a review of, "The Spirit World," would be beneficial. Any thoughts? How many of you are familiar with Clarence Larkin's, "The Spirit World?" Alan
  45. 1 point
    (Omega)

    If You're New Here Please Read

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. (2 Timothy 4:1,2)
  46. 1 point
    Roselove

    Saved in 3 tenses?

    Thank you for this explanation, it makes much more sense to me, now. I see that, the article writer was inconsistent and biased, it appears. Thank you for clearing up the confusion that I had from his, page!
  47. 1 point
    Ban HC for feigning a compliment towards me for the sole purpose of banning me.
  48. 1 point
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    Yikes!!! Hmmm? Maybe its one of the alien critters from the Planet X. According to the latest numerologist who, an ancient recently discovered original Greek manuscript states , that instead of hitting earth on September 23rd., Planet X side-stepped the Earth and in the process of side-stepping Earth 144,000 of these critters were deposited on the earth for 7 years. For further information please send me $666.00 for my latest book, complete with a set of audio tapes, to : World Religion Center; 666 Heresy Road; Babylon, New York. Alan (one of the two witnesses from Revelation 11:3)
  49. 1 point
    IF you can pronounce correctly every word in this poem, you will be speaking English better than 90% of the native English speakers in the world After trying the verses, a Frenchman said he’d prefer six months of hard labour to reading six lines aloud, and we’ll be honest with you, we struggled with parts of it. You’ve been reading “The Chaos” by Gerard Nolst Trenité, written nearly 100 years ago in 1922, designed to demonstrate the irregularity of English spelling and pronunciation.
  50. 1 point
    Here are my thoughts on the matter: I believe it is biblical to tithe. I haven't found any Scripture in the NT where God says, Stop tithing, do not give to your biblical, local, NT church. Perhaps I missed something, but I've looked & can't find it. "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts." .....Malachi 3:6-12 The Bible says here, that they were cursed with a curse because they had not been paying their tithes, & because they had been robbing from God that which belonged to him. Notice He says, "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in my house." The storehouse is God's house, according to this scripture. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, so that there will be meat or food in my house. He says if you do that, "I will open the windows of Heaven and pour you out a blessing that there shall not be room enough to receive." He says, "I'll rebuke the devourer for your sake." What he's saying is that, people who would not give the tithe would have bad things happen to them to where it would end up costing them more money than it would've cost to just give the 10% unto the Lord that he wanted. In fact, that's what tithe means. If you study the Bible, the word "tithe" and "tenth" are used interchangeably. Tithe simply means 10%. God expected man to give 10% of his increase, his income, what comes into his hand, unto the Lord. He says "I'll rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts." What God is saying here is that, He's able to make them prosper. He's able to make their crops grow better, and so forth; or He can allow these things to be cursed, dried out, & withered. What He's teaching here is that you're going to live better on 90% than you're going to live on 100%. If you, in your own wisdom, think to yourself, "Well, I just can't afford to pay the tithe. I need all the money that I can get, to live off of." What God's saying is that, he can stretch your money further. He can bless you ... Pour out a blessing and give you abundance, whereas ... If you rob God and withhold the tithe, the opposite will be true. You can have unexpected expenses come up where you'll end up even worse off, financially. The reason why (I think) people will scoff at this ... (Even though, the Bible is very clear. It's right there in Malachi 3. Anybody can see that that's what the Bible says) ... Is that there's a LOT of false teachers out there that don't care what the Bible says unless it makes them $, so they capitalize on it.... The televangelist crowd, the 'name it, claim it' prosperity preachers that are living in multi-million dollar homes ... They've got gold rings on their fingers, driving Jaguars or a Porsche & telling everybody, "Hey. If you give us money, God's going to bless you! You give a $100, you're going to get $1,000! If you give $1,000, you're going to get $10,000!". The Joel Osteens, Benny Hinns, Jim & Tammy Faye Bakers, Joyce Meyers, etc. Obviously, these people are liars, frauds, and charlatans. The problem is that then, people throw out the baby with the bathwater. At the same time, we don't want to go to far in the other wrong direction, and not understand that God DOES bless you when you obey Him. It's a fact. If you obey God, He blesses you. This is one subject where that's true. In other subjects it's also true. Any time you're keeping God's commandments and doing the right thing, God's going to bless you. Where the prosperity crowd gets it wrong is, they don't tell you about all the trials, tribulations, and persecutions, and that you will possibly go through bad health. Look at Job, he's covered in sores from head to toe, and he was the most righteous man on the earth at that time. What was the latter end of Job? In the end, everything works out. In the end, he's blessed. My pastor does not live in a big fancy mansion like the worldly false prophets that covet filthy lucre; he lives in a VERY modest home (1400 sqft +/-), despite having 8 children (9th on the way) and of course, his wife, & they live in a humble neighborhood. He is certainly NOT in it for the money. He takes nothing from the government...no food stamps or free healthcare, he doesn't drive a jaguar or a Maserati; he shares a used, old van (the kind you rarely see anymore--the baby blue w/yellow stripes, metal ladder up the back, with the hideous OEM faux velvet curtains in the back windows that most people would rather take the commuter train than be seen in) with his wife, who stays home to guide the house & school their children, all of his suits are used (from secondhand thrift stores), our church building is plain....it's merely a very large suite rented out from an office strip, so there are no beautiful stained glass windows, lush landscaping, ornate wooden pews to pay for, No stage or music room filled with elaborate instruments or impressive sound system---just an old piano needing tuned in the corner that was donated by the landlord's wife. The pulpit was built by the Pastor himself, from a stack of 2x4s he paid $5 for from Craigslist, which he then stained with instant coffee(it looks quite nice, actually). But our services every week are air-conditioned, we have lights, power, running water, our Pastor works around the clock, he writes his own sermons thrice weekly, preaches hard against sin, in season AND out, he rips face like the old school IFB, he teaches us how to be effective soulwinners & is out pounding the pavement with us weekly knocking doors, he doesn't allow queers in the congregation or tolerate fornication (if a couple are dating & are in fornication or living together unmarried he will give them 3 options: 1. If they claim to be in love & want to be together, they have 7 days to get married; 2. If they don't want to get married they must not live together & MUST stop fornicating; 3. If they refuse to get married or stop fornicating & stop living together then they must leave the church) adultery, divorce, false doctrine, he stands on the King James Bible only, he doesn't fold when persecution comes, and when homos are outside protesting he makes no apologies for the Word of God and preaches even harder.. EVERYTHING he preaches he proves with Scripture from the KJB, he encourages us to read our Bible daily & prove all things from Scripture. He sells nothing. Everything is free. We give out a free King James Bible to every soul led to the Lord when out soulwinning, the fridge is always stocked with water, Gatorade, special snacks for the elderly/diabetics/pregnant or nursing moms. He offers the younger adult couples (that wish to marry, and are biblically eligible to) a free wedding, decorates the church building, marries them, provides a free cake & free wedding photos, he provides every family a free annual family portrait, he provides church activities, like camping trips, baby showers for expectant mothers, free CDs of his preaching, free USB drives of his sermons, he provides breakfast & buys lunch weekly to all that go soulwinning on Saturdays, the list goes on and on. He is clear & open about church finances & hides nothing. He is a good steward of the tithes we give, & our church has never borrowed $, never had any debt. He NEVER has fundraisers or asks us to "dig deep". He is one of the hardest workers I've ever met. He truly practices what he preaches in all aspects of his life and ministry, and that is rare these days, even amongst IFB. My point is this: Pastoring a church is a full-time job. It IS work. And it is a LOT more work than people think. Our pastor is CONSTANTLY working. It is also a HUGE responsibility, as any Bible-believing pastor knows that God is holding him accountable for the flock, and he will be chastened & held accountable by God more than the flock. It takes MONEY to have a building for the church to meet at. If nobody tithes, how can the pastor support himself, his wife & kids (which is, by the way, a biblical requirement to pastoring a church--It must be a man, of one wife, with children, that ruleth his house well) ? Our family has NO problem paying our tithe...and we actually have LESS financial problems since we started this church and tithed. Plus, we KNOW where it's going (our church building alone costs $6,000 a month to rent) and our pastor works harder than most any pastor I've known and the Bible says if a man works he has the right to eat and drink.
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