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    Thank you, thank you for your prayers! Let me try to recap succinctly...first, I was mistaken about the multiple blood clots. There was only one. One that started in the groin and went all the way down his leg. Yes. Somehow the multiple idea was less scary. We went over to Seattle yesterday. The surgery (actually the first part of it) was not done until 5pm. The doc told me things went well. He put in a catheter to use TPA (a very strong clot-buster) along with the Heparin (which was working to dissolve the clot particles in the lungs). He was placed in the CCU so that they could monitor the two anti-coagulants because the doctor told me that this procedure increased the risk of belly or brain bleed (think stroke...ugh...not news I wanted to hear). That night, they had to shut off the TPA because (whatever they measured) went too low. I'm SO thankful that they are diligent in their jobs! Yes, they are paid to do this, but they were on their toes and were able to stop the flow before something disastrous happened. All while we were asleep...(which was only in hour increments). The second part of the surgery was today. Mom and I had to leave and come home today, before the procedure, because parking in downtown Seattle is outrageous. Between gas, ferry prices, parking, food...not to mention the cost of the hospital...we just couldn't stay longer. The procedure was set for 2 pm. And let me tell you, I felt like I was abandoning Randy. The procedure today took 3 hours. The doc called me to let me know how it went. He was pleased. He aspirated the clot (pieces) and ballooned the vein. He told me that Randy would be on Coumadin for the rest of his life (something I expected) and that he was sending some of Randy's blood to the hematologist to test for clot risk factors. Now, years ago, I was told that Randy and his brothers probably had "thick blood". The emergency room doctor said there is no such thing, and that probably what was meant was that the blood had risk factors for clotting. Turns out (I just found this out today) that Randy's mom (deceased), his oldest brother (deceased from a heart attack due to a blood clot in his leg...), his niece (daughter of his oldest brother) and her daughter all have factor 5, which is a clotting problem. So it's likely that's what he's got. Anyway, the doc had told me yesterday that Randy would be in the hospital until Monday or Tuesday. Today he told me that, if the swelling goes down satisfactorily (it's actually half of what it was on Wed, but still pretty swollen - color is good, and skin is no longer taut) and if Randy can get up and walking (which I know he will do), and a few other things, he might be able to come home Sunday or Monday! Yay! He's still got the road of recovery to travel, so prayer is still appreciated. And, by the way - he does NOT have diabetes! Isn't that great? Apparently the first emergency room doc jumped the gun and didn't take into account the stress that was going on in his body. Praise the Lord for that. But it is still a wake-up call and we are going to work to avoid diabetes coming on. swath - no, no grandkids yet. We're still waiting. Thanks for the prayer. And do let us know about your wife's upcoming surgery! (BTW - I have been meaning to tell you I'm glad to see you back with us). 1Tim - praise the Lord that God kept your wife here with you! What a frightening time! Thank you for your prayer as well. And it's great to see you again! Salyan - please pass on our gratitude to your church for their prayers! Jim - thank you so much. The last two days, God made several verses so real to us. He is good. No matter what! Rosie, Alan (and everyone else who didn't post but did pray) - thanks for praying. I am just so appreciative.
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    You know, my observation of Calvinism is that a) it isn't learned from the Bible - it comes from the teaching of men - many books and 'much learning' - and b) it presents itself as an intellectual doctrine and attracts those who are drawn to intellectualism. It often seems to become a point of pride - "see how much more study/learning I have done" or "see how much more I've thought about it than all you peons". Your statement above about 'shallow thinkers' really does reflect this observation, as it displays this as a point of pride in your life (you obviously think that you are a much deeper thinker than anyone who rejects MacArthur or Calvinism). Oh, and I am going to answer a question posed above. You asked if I considered Spurgeon to preach a damnable heresy, and said that if I said yes, I'd condemn one of the greatest preachers of the Western world (thus attempting to negate my statement by the supposed position of the man). I haven't studied Spurgeon much, so I really can't speak to what he did or did not preach. However, if he did teach the 'doctrines of grace' (irresistible grace, total depravity, unconditional election, etc.), than yes, he did preach damnable heresy. And you know what? If he preached such heresy, then perhaps he was not one of the 'greatest preachers of the Western world'. Because the popularity of a man does not define the truth of his teaching. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal. 1:8 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. James 2:1 For their is no respect of persons with God. Romans 2:11
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    I'm posting a copy of the email update I sent out this morning: Randy is doing a good bit better today. His leg is still swollen and still hurts to walk on, but nowhere near what it was last Wednesday. They did a sonogram on his heart yesterday and it was beating strongly and regularly. He takes short walks down the halls - walking helps reduce the swelling, and the more the swelling reduces, the less it hurts. He was supposed to be discharged this morning, but this entire area got hit by a snow storm last night. Snowfall ranged from 1-14" across the peninsula and over Seattle. Because of the mountain roads, the water, and the high hills of Seattle, we are not going to be able to go and pick up Randy. So he'll be staying another day. Snow is supposed to keep falling until 4 pm this evening, so I'm not sure about tomorrow yet, either. None of this took God by surprise, even though each day has brought something surprising to us. And even though it brings us some angst, we can rest in knowing that God is in control and allows all things for our good and His glory, to form us to the image of Jesus. Some days it seems the clay's being pounded harder, but the end result is going to be beautiful! Thank you so much for praying - I cannot express our gratitude strongly enough! Knowing that so many friends were praying has been a great source of comfort. We appreciate your continued prayer for his recuperation and the results of the hospital stay as well.
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    I'm not sure I'm following what's being asked and/or stated. Also DougA, please realize that I'm not attacking you if something I point out seems that way. I'm just confused. Am I wrong in thinking that you are looking to justify the teachings of the Mormon church? I'm not asking you to actually answer this here on the forum, but I have to wonder why you went from Baptist to Mormon. You also state that you are Southern Baptist today, but it seems as though you are wanting justification for Mormon teachings. No one in the Baptist churches that you're familiar with believes that the Lord Jesus was there before the world was formed? Is that what you mean, or are you referring to no one in the Mormon church believes that? Colossians 1:13-16 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator; indeed he was there before the world was formed. He wasn't named "Jesus" until his physical birth; however, he has always been, always is, and always will be God. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. If you're saying that about the Baptists that you know; that's alarming to me...but not surprising to me these days. If you're saying that about the Mormons, that's because it doesn't fit with their theology. Also, they believe the "Book of Mormon" supersedes the Bible; therefore, they believe that anything in the Bible that contradicts their theology isn't true. Is that a typing error; did you mean "more than one deity"? God was speaking to the pre-incarnate Christ, or he was speaking to the Holy Spirit, or he was speaking to both the pre-incarnate Christ and the Holy Spirit. I personally believe that he was speaking to both of them. Just for clarity, while God is the same and never changes, the verse that you referred to is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ. The answer is simple (and I don't mean that in a mocking way)...the answer is very simple. The "Book of Mormon" is an addition to God's word. In fact, the Mormon church used to have television commercials many years ago that stated that. However, what does God say about that? Proverbs 30:5-6 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Smith directly went against God and added to God's words. He not only added to God's word, but much of his additions directly contradict God's word. There are failed prophecies in the Book of Mormon. There are failed historical references in the Book of Mormon. There are failed archaeological references in the Book of Mormon. God's word is shown to be true in that biblical reference, and Joseph Smith was found to be a liar. That's because Smith used the King James Bible as his "reference"...so to speak. I find it curious that the "Book of Mormon" was written in a very similar style as the King James Bible, but people no longer spoke that way when the "Book of Mormon" was written. The answer there is also simple. Who is that opposes of God according to God's word? It's Satan. Now, I know the Mormons believe that Satan and Christ are brothers; however, that again is not biblical... How could he write it? He used the King James Bible as his "reference". As the opposer of God, Satan or his devils (demons in today's language) inspired him to write it and start a religion that was in complete opposition to the truths of God's word and his method for salvation...or... Smith's own sinful fallen state prompted him to write it. That's also why so many people would follow him. They didn't know the true God, nor did they know true salvation. I realize that may sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound harsh...but there is no other explanation. God doesn't change (which you, yourself acknowledged); therefore, Smith acted in direct opposition to God by adding to his words. ??? I'm not familiar with such a reference in the New Testament.
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    It never ceases to amaze me how people can be so easily deceived. It's not as if the Popes even need to be clever or tricksy. He can hold a sneaker up in front of people and say, "Look at the delicious apple," and the masses will say, "Yummmmm!" All they have to do is just open a Bible and read it once and any simple-minded fool should be able to see the false teachings of Rome, but, somehow, they just can't see the sneaker for what it is. Here's a little fun I had putting a few things together: RCC: “Mary remained a virgin, even after she gave birth to Jesus.” (Matthew 1:18) "¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." KJV: (Matthew 1:25) "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." KJV: (Matthew 13:55-56) "Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? {56} And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?” (Luke 8:19) "¶ Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press." RCC: “Uh…er… well… they meant 'brother' like when you say, 'hey, what's happenin', my brother?' see? um…” RCC: “Don’t call me sir, young man, call me ‘Father.’” KJV: (Matthew 23:9) "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” RCC: “Uh… well, that doesn’t mean ‘FATHER’ father… it…er… derp…” RCC: “Say ten ‘hail Marys’ and twenty “our Fathers’ and…” KJV: (Matthew 6:7) "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.” RCC: “But… surely that can’t mean… but we’ve always… uh…” RCC: “Pray to the ‘Holy Mother’ and to ‘The Saints,’ my child, they will hear your prayers and will intercede for you to God.” KJV: (1 Timothy 2:5) "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” RCC: “Well, sure… if you read it THAT way, it looks like… uh… but…” RCC: “No, silly, priests and bishops are not allowed to be married. You see,…” KJV: (1 Timothy 3:2) "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" RCC: “Now look here, you… I’ve had just abou…” RCC: “…then, you approach the altar and kneel before this beautiful statue of Our Lord, and then…” KJV: (Exodus 20:4-5) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: {5} Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;” RCC: “Wait, where does it say that? Let me see… ‘Don’t covet’… ‘Don’t covet’ again…”
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    Popery : The world's largest cult. Just another man-made religion.
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    OK, if Bro. Dave will not "rag on MacArthur" I will. I will also disagree with Bro. Dave where he said that MacArthur needs to be taken very carefully. I don't think he should be "taken" at all. Mac Arthur is and promotes Community Church. I mean this in the sense of a denomination, not something like a Community Baptist church. He is not Baptist and I would discourage any Baptist brethren from reading after him at all.
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    My husband woke me up at 4:40 this morning telling me he needed me to take him to the hospital. (that in itself is worrisome for me as soon as I hear it, because my hubs doesn't do doctors unless he absolutely is almost on death's door...literally) He said that his leg, which had been hurting him for a few days, was swollen, discolored, and felt like he was moving a rock when he tried to move it. gulp... So we headed to the emergency room. We got right in, since it was so early in the morning. And they began tests. Cat scan. Blood tests. EKG. Everyone (including us) figured it was a blood clot, but of course had to be sure. At 8 am, he had an ultrasound done on his leg - from the groin to the toes. And even I, with my lack of medical training could see them. Blood clots all the way down the leg...NO WONDER his leg was so purple (his foot was dark bluish purple - dark!). Lungs were also tested because he had said he had felt kind of short of breath (also the reason for the EKG). His heart was fine (although at one point his heart rate went way low for a couple of seconds - about gave me a heart attack!). So, with the lung test they found that particles of the blood clots had made their way into his lungs. Another gulp...the doctor told Randy that it was good he had come in when he did. And hadn't waited until an entire clot had made it to his lungs. Just what an emotionally drained, too-tired wife needs to hear, eh? So now he's still at the emergency room, hooked up to monitors for his heart, lungs, blood pressure. And an IV with Hepa rin in it to dissolve the clot particles in his lungs. His leg, thanks to the Heparin is looking a wee bit better, but because there so many clots, he has to have vascular surgery. The surgeon will target each clot to dissolve it. He is being prepared for the ambo ride right now (he just called me). We don't know if the surgery will be tonight or tomorrow morning. And we also found out that he is now diabetic. It runs in the family, so, as the doc, said, he rolled over the line... Nothing takes God by surprise. Quite often, though, we are taken by surprise - in a big way! This was that for us. The health issues, the expense this is going to be... Please be in prayer that God will do mighty things in our lives and that He will get the glory through all of this.
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    Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm going to be taking a hiatus from OB. I started to put it in the IFB Lounge, but I decided to put it here so that everyone would know. I know I'm not important (LOL!), but I just wanted to let everyone know so there wouldn't be anyone wondering "what happened to NN?" I just have to take some time for my family, myself, and the Lord right now. Also, there have been some prayer requests made known...both publicly and privately. Please know that those requests will continue to be prayed for. I'm not looking for anyone to respond to this, so don't feel like you have to say anything. I just wanted to let it be known that I wouldn't be around so that no one might possibly wonder what happened. Respectfully in Christ, No Nicolaitans I pray you all will "press toward the mark"...(Philippians 3:14)
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    Slow down fast. I wonder now if the 'second class Christian' perception was real or perceived. Yes, I went through this and it may be part of the "troubles" Paul mentions. It may also be self-inflicted on my part. I didn't hit the ground running and seeking to provide service for my Savior. After my pastor counseled with me and we fellowshipped on several occasions we determined there were several things I could do which do not require the testimony of a deacon or bishop. I can and do usher, I could be and have been a trustee, I work to help preserve our local church's buildings and grounds. More importantly, I can pray for the lost, I can witness to the lost, I can go door knocking, visit the sick and homebound, call members and check on them, entertain missionaries in my home, present the gospel and lead my family toward the Lord. Volunteer for special activities helping to provide for the communities needs, help stuff door knocker bags, and provide personal testimony. When asked, I can preach the gospel, open or close a meeting with prayer. O.K. I can't surrender to be a pastor or a deacon and I don't believe the scriptures (Timothy & Titus) allow me to. But if I look to Jesus, the author and finisher of my faith, to please Him then I find I have no time to worry about what others do or say or don't do and don't say. Yes, I also can tithe, support missions, and support special needs within and without the local church body.
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    Doug, If your current Pastor holds that position, then it is doubtful that you are going to be able to "push" him to perform the ceremony. Furthermore, if he is a Godly man, you might want to sit down with him and have him explain to you why he holds that position, could be very insightful. Remember that no pastor is required to perform your ceremony, so I don't think your going to find a Biblical solution to a problem that is really up to the pastor's discretion. I would suggest that you talk to your pastor and find out what he recommends instead of asking people from the internet that you don't know from Adam. It's not about getting the answer you want, it's about pleasing God.
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    I read this far and no further: What the "Pope" wants is control, power and money. He cares nothing about people's salvation. The Bible says no such thing. But it does say this: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:9
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    Deserves a double "like" in my opinion. ;)
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    Hello everyone. I have been away for quite a while. I am active duty in the Navy and was gone on deployment. I became aware of some issues before I left on deployment and had 7 months on a ship to dwell on them and mull them over. I am still seeing the same issues now that I am home. Let me preface this by saying I am active in my churches corporate evangelism efforts. I go out for door knocking weekly. I also evangelize as I go places. I talk to co workers, friends, family, strangers... I leave tracts with people and at places I visit. I have been actively engaged in evangelism since shortly after I got saved 5 and 1/2 years ago. The problem is there is no discernable fruit. A group goes out and knocks doors upon return there is a testimony that 9 souls were saved. Those 9 people never show up at church, don't get baptized, and are not interested in discipleship. Another group goes out, 6 souls are saved. 1 out of the six comes to church once, then doesn't come back and won't return phone calls. I see this over and over and over. Folks get "saved" but you never see them again. We declare how we are doing the Lord's work but there is no fruit to show. I am not trying to sound results driven. I am trying to say that if a person gets saved something totally life altering has just happened. According to the Bible that person is now a new creature in Christ. However this is not what we are seeing. I have a friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea. He said people would listen to him and do what he said because he was white and from America. If he wanted them to pray a sinner's prayer they would do it. But there was no change. Nothing happened. Once they found out he wasn't going to give them money they were gone. I have read a lot of info on David Cloud's website. The first few times I read it I thought he was preaching lordship salvation. I have since changed my mind. I don't know that I agree with 100% of what he says but I think he has identified a problem for sure. I have gone soulwinning with some people that I thought were way too quick to get someone to pray a prayer for salvation. I have been with others that have clearly talked about sin, hell, and Jesus Christ. They have told the person that praying a prayer won't save them but only what they believe in their heart. But out of all these people that I have personally seen pray the prayer I have seen zero fruit from any of them. I have seen zero interest in discipleship that has been offered. I think there is a serious problem with our evangelistic efforts. Unfortunately I don't know what to do about it. What have you seen? What have you done differently? Have you had different results from the same methods I am describing? I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts. God Bless.
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    Brethren, The Lord Jesus personally chose Paul, then called Saul, as the 12th. Apostle, to replace Judas Iscariot. I had previously discussed this issue in detail in my study on the Book of Titus. Here is the link to that study: Here is the portion of that study in Titus that deals with the issue whether or not Paul was the 12th Apostle. Revelation 21:14, and Matthew 19:28, is very clear that there are only 12 apostles. To say that Matthias is the apostle for the nation of Israel and that Paul was just the apostle to the Gentiles is a private interpretation. Is Paul the 13th Apostle as some folks say? If so, than Revelation 21:14 and Matthew 19:28 is not true. Yes, Paul was called the apostle to the Gentiles but they does in absolutely no way, in any manner, mean that there was going to be a new man called to the Jews and one to the Gentiles. Paul was indeed chosen personally by the Lord Jesus Christ both in presence and by voice on the road to Damascus. Matthias was not chosen by the Lord Jesus: Matthias was chosen by the casting of lots, Acts "And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles." Acts 1:26. Matthias was chosen by lots cast by the 120 early disciples. Psalm 109:8, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.” The 12th. apostle to replace the office, or Apostleship, of Judas Iscariot, was only one office. There is no, may I repeat, no, scripture references in the Old Testament that there would be a 13th Apostle, nor any scripture prophesying that there would be an office to the Jews and one to the Gentiles. To differentiate between the office to the Jews and one to the Gentiles is a private interpretation, (hyper-dispensation), and not scriptural truth. The Lord Jesus plainly stated concerning the 12 apostles, and then to the individual who replaced Judas Iscariot, “And Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the son of Man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 19:28 If there are 13 apostles, who is the 13th. Tribe? To qualify as an apostle the Lord Jesus had to call "chose," the individual by name: Matthew 10:1 & 2; Mark 3:13 & 14 “And he[Jesus] goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him.” "Paul, and apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.") Galatians 1:1 The Lord Jesus called Paul He did not call Matthias. Matthias was called by "man." Paul was chosen by the Lord Jesus, when the Lord Jesus gave the vision to Ananias in Acts 9: 10-18 we hear these very carefully selected words by the Lord Jesus Himself, "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel." Paul was not only chosen by the Lord Jesus Himself, Jesus said Paul was "chosen," Furthermore, the Lord Jesus said that Paul was, "...to bear my name before the Gentiles,and kings, and the children of Israel." The Lord Jesus said, "... and the children of Israel." Alan
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    Just got word from my hubs that they aren't going to do the surgery tonight. So he'll have the surgery tomorrow morning. My mom just reminded me that it was 5 years ago today that she took my dad in for his last hospital stay. He had wanted to be home for his birthday (on the 9th) and he got home on the 7th. Twenty days later the Lord took him home. So my mom's a wee bit emotional about this, too. What do folks who don't have the Lord and praying friends DO? Thank you. My husband said he appreciates all the prayer.
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    2 Sam 14:25 But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him. Absalom was a very handsome young man but he was also evil. Today celebreties and sports heros are often admired for their good looks but many lead desolute lives and some are downright evil. in films and books, the goody is usually good looking and the baddy is ugly, particularly westerns. In chilrens books it is the same, the hero or heroine is beautiful and the bad ones are not, as in the ugly sisters and the wicked witch. In life it is similar, disabled people are often mocked, particularly Downs syndrom children. There is a couple applying to our church for membership, they both worked for Prayer For Israel. She came from the North East of England and was mocked there for her Geordie accent and felt miserable. (She was different) He was born disabled. He hobbles on two sticks and his legs cross at the knees. He has been mocked through hi life. (He is different.) But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him.
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    They are closed because we want Independent Baptists to have a place to discuss subjects, doctrines and beliefs they have in common. To allow non-Independent Baptists access to them would defeat the purpose and cause confusion. A good example would be the "men's forum" and the "women's forum". To allow those of the opposite gender to post in these restricted forums would cause confusion and probably make the other members of these forums very cautious and uncomfortable in posting their thoughts freely. We welcome questions from others who are not IFB and want them to understand why we believe what we believe, in the hope that others will see the validity of our belief system. That is why there are so many different forums on this board, so no one should feel left out and therefore provide a platform for civilized, Godly discussion on different and sometimes opposing issues. Then there is always the unpleasant issue of a non-IFB wanting access to a restricted forum for the purpose of pushing their own agenda and causing trouble among like minded brethren. There is a lot of this sort of thing on the Internet. They are Trolls, troublemakers, and people of a nature that thrives on argument and division. This is why we stress so much importance on posting your threads in the proper forum. A good example of why this format works so well is the forum that you posted this question in. If someone wants to know what we believe and why we believe it, they can simply ask in the ""Questions for Independent Baptists" forum as you did. Thank you for asking. I hope your time spent here will be educational, profitable and edifying. We look forward to future posts from you.
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    Because it was asked, and it is not appropriate to further pollute that thread. MacArthur promotes: multiple bible (per)versions. Calvinism (and I don't care what name you put on it). Progressive worship. "Elder rule". Universal church. Although I wouldn't recommend going to his site, if you do, all these things are cleatly evident. He does get some things right, but 90% of rat poison is good food - it is the 10% that is dangerous.
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    No I am not. I read it this morning on their website. They do not call it that, but they teach it. Just like I don't think you will find the name "Calvin" on their website, they are absolutely Calvinist. Look, I am not here to rag on MacArthur specifically, but yhe question was asked specifically of me about my general warning. You can argue about individual points all you like, the guy needs to be taken VERY CAREFULLY, if you want to bother to listen to anything at all from him. You do what you like.........
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    Interesting. I think you will find most (there is that word again) on this forum will agree with you. James and Paul both simply echo and rephrase the teaching of our Lord in all the Gospels. The only saving faith is that which produces works for God. No works (no interest in baptism or the milk of the Word, or growth, or sanctification, etc.), no saving faith....period. What new born baby fresh out of their mother's womb does not want milk immediately? Multiple millions claim faith in our Lord but very few demonstrate faith to our Lord. The Gospels and Epistles all proclaim this truth that is so often ignored. In every instance of the faith hall of fame of Hebrews 11 the saving faith was demonstrated to God by works. How many times did Jesus tell people though-out the Gospels not to "tell Me" but to "show Me". Example: No man having put his hand to the plough and looking back (at their old life), is FIT for the Kingdom of God. The early churches fell quickly into the apostasy of "dead faith" or what we call easy believe-ism/easy prayerism and this is what God used James to correct. Sadly apostates even within IFB circles continue to spread this unrepentant "gospel". It amazes me that many times the lost (who don't want to hear it) seem to know naturally what supposed "Christians" don't know about the true Gospel. It will change their hearts, minds, attitudes and their lives in every aspect. Enter satan who taught IFB "soulwinners" to dance around that to simply get a quick prayer out of people so they can report baloney numbers to each other or to falsely console themselves over lost loved ones. They actually have replaced Christ's teaching completely and are spreading a false (albeit easy) substitute for the Gospel. It is a cost counting substitute that Christ warned everyone about repeatedly throughout the Gospels. These "soulwinners" sell a quick prayer and never mention the necessity of baptism and discipleship. Christ's command to us is another of the hidden 3 in 1's in the Bible. Faith, baptism and growth to Christlikeness. Anything short of that is failure. Failure as in the parable of the sower's 3 failures to one true conversion. Why do they not include baptism and growth, you ask? because they don't want to know the reactions and answers to that from these false converts. They sold this person the all you have to do is say these words "gospel". This way they can report large numbers and look like a hero to the rest of their church. It is TARES trying to make more TARES IMO. Not so much many of the ignorant members but those in authority that teach this method of witnessing (despicable heresy). The world calls being born again things like: Finding religion or finding Jesus or becoming a Jesus freak or a Bible Thumper or a holy roller. They know it changes the person's life, the devils know it changes a person's life, God most assuredly knows it changes people's lives. Seems everyone knows it except modern professing "Christians". Mental acknowledgement of the Gospel produces no works for sure. Saving faith in the Gospel produces works without exception. One sows, another waters BUT ONLY GOD GIVES THE INCREASE. Prayerfully and carefully witness with gravity and tears and let the lost say to you "what must I do to be saved". You know, treat all people like you would your own relatives. Who sells their loved ones an un-convicted prayer?
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    Welcome home! All of us appreciate your duty in the Navy and your sacrifice. We did miss you and are looking to some fine discussions. I suspect most of us have sometime in our soul winning experienced the lack of visible results and the lack of fruit after an individual says a salvation prayer. At times, even after we have dealt with an individual for awhile, and went past the Romans Road, and dealt with the clear issues of hell, repentance, sin and the need to true belief, we may not see much fruit. We need to remember that it is our responsibility to adequately present the full gospel story. The salvation of the soul is between God and the individual we talk too. Here are some of my thoughts that I tend to keep in mind. I tend to think of the story of the Parable of the king who made a great supper (Luke 14:15-24), and, after many people refused, commanded his servants to, "... Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be full." Luke 14:23 Even though most people rejected the servants, the king still told the servants to go: the servants simply obeyed the Kings command. My responsibility is to go. Most of the people we deal with we spend a lot of time with. We tend to read the scriptures that we are talking about and not quote them. It does help when the individual you are dealing with actually see the words you are talking about. The average time limit is 45 minutes and we try to explain fully the message of salvation, a heart belief, we read the scripture where the Rich Man is hell telling folks they need to repent (Luke 16:30), and to trust in the work of Christ on Calvary (1 Cor. 15:1-6). Most people reject what we have to say and some folks do decide to get saved but they do not come to church. But, thankfully, some folks do decide to trust in the Lord Jesus and we do see them in church. I just want to encourage you to keep on soul-winning and spreading the seed of salvation to the lost. "In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good." Ecclesiastes 11:6 I also tend to try and remember the real reward of soul-winning is in heaven: not in the church. Only God in heaven above knows the results of each gospel seed that we sow. Sometimes we see the result of a changed life, most times we do not, either way: "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise." Proverbs 11:30
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    I recently watched a video (I'll try to find it again) that talked about Sweden (the "perfect" country) and the aftermath of them accepting so many "refugees". While I'm sure a small percentage moved to Sweden with thankful hearts and good motives, the majority have turned Sweden into a mess of crimes, hostility, "no-go" areas, etc. The video focused on the rising crimes against women, and showed how the Swedish media refuses to identify criminals race or culture, and the police's hands are tied and many crimes go unpunished. At the very end, a few young liberals were interviewed and asked if the rise in violent crimes and the country's first terrorist attack was due to the influx of refugees. They insisted there was no connection and to even think so was racist. The same thing is happening in America, people are putting their heads in the sand and screaming "no connection, racist!" edit: forgot to add, there have been reporters from other countries go to Sweden to positively report on the success of Sweden's refugee acceptance, but have been physically attacked and beaten by the very people they were wanting to portray as victims of other countries refusal to accept them. edit2: Here's the video I saw:
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    That is quite precisely the point; they are specifically forbidden to preach the Gospel to the people they are being paid to help. So, to answer your questions, Yes, they need the Gospel like anyone else, but no, it would not be beneficial to the refugees since they would not be getting the Gospel. The "churches" that are being paid to house them and keep silent about the Gospel are whoring themselves to the U.S. government.
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    I take great exception to remarks that start out with "most IB". There are many of these kinds of statements about IB when talking about false religion and teaching. I have not found it to be so. I know of NO other Independent Baptist churches that are involved in this sort of thing in any way. To hear some of these people talk you would think that most IB churches are apostate and it just isn't so.
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    fastjaqv390, Thank you very much for the information concerning the settlement of Muslim refugees into the United States. It sure does appear that the refugee settlement program is a government program that churches get involved for monetary purposes and not for the sake of the gospel. It is an open shame for churches to get involved with programs (governmental or non-govermental), for the sake of lucrative gain. It is my hope that this is one of the government programs that President Trump eliminates. Keep us informed and let us know if there are any bills in the Congress that will address this program with the intention of getting rid of it. Brethren, The second article that fastjav390 posted, "Refugee Settlement Watch," is noteworthy. Paul the apostle stated to avoid men in the church who teach erroneous doctrines and practices within the church, "Preverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." 1 Timothy 6:5 In the next chapter of 1 Timothy continued this thought,Paul also stated the following concerning stiving for monetary gain by any saint, or church, "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:10 The churches who get involved with programs like the Refugee Settlement Program, for monetary purposes, or popularity, have erred from the faith. And, it is one of the un-necessary programs created by our government that needs to be eliminated. If the Refugee Settlement Program is eliminated by President Trump I am of the opinion that it would be beneficial for America. Alan
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    If her request is genuine there should be no problem with giving information. But I have to say that I have seen requests such as this on my own and other forums where the person asking for information is not genuine and the motive for the request is to gather information to be used in some way against forum members. Or there is some other ulterior motive. The ones I have seen are worded n almost the exact same way, it is a college student wanting information for a class assignment. If this is not the case here, I apologize for doubting.
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    There are other blood thinners (like the heparin he was receiving), but I think coumadin is the most common to go home with. They have removed the IV of heparin and are now giving him coumadin orally, I'm sure to monitor and make sure he has no immediate side effects. Jim, it is my understanding that the reason that it is in some rat poison is that it causes the rats who eat it to bleed to death internally. It does have to be monitored regularly. I guess we'll have to go ahead and find a doctor here (we just haven't done that yet). So, unless something drastic happens, Randy will be coming home tomorrow! Praise the Lord! He will still have to take it easy, and he has to walk to help the swelling to go down. But I'm so thankful that the doc is pleased enough to send him home. Mom and I will pick him up tomorrow. He's looking forward to getting some rest. LOL He has to go back next month to do some genetic testing. We are sure they will find that he has at least one gene of the factor5 deficiency. I found out today that Randy's brother didn't die from a heart attack. He died from pulmonary embolism due to factor5 Leidin deficiency. And both of his daughters (and one of each of their daughters) have it. And then we find out today: Randy's younger (#5 of 6) brother had to go to the hospital today...he has three blood clots in his left arm! The doctors didn't keep him, but did give him medicine, so I'm assuming the clots are small enough to dissolve soon. Even so, in the left arm and three of them. Sigh - now I'm more convinced than ever that they all inherited it. I told our son he needs to get tested, too. There are medications that folks with factor5 deficiency can't take. Randy was scheduled to preach at church tomorrow morning. We are disappointed, but know that God is in control. His next day is Feb. 26. That is my birthday, so his first sermon at this church on my birthday will be special. =D I do appreciate the continued prayer. If you could add Everett (Randy's brother with the clots), I would be so grateful.
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    This is great! But it's all in vain if they don't stop the Third World invasion of Europe.
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    Brexit is going ahead. The French presidential election is coming up and Marine le Pen says if she wins she will go for Frexit
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    It is probably from the book of Mormon rather than the bible. I looked on mormon.org and couldn't find any mention of Joseph Smith, however I did find the following: "In the latter days, prophets continue to caution and advise all people. Recent counsel addresses social issues such as marriage and family relationships, practical matters such as education and financial prudence, and spiritual subjects that help us overcome personal trials and find greater confidence in our faith." This actually contradicts the bible because we read: 1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1-2. In the past God spoke in many ways by prophets, but in these last days He has spoken by His Son, The Lord Jesus. All we need to know of what His son has spoken, we find in the scriptures, therefore there is no need of prophets in these last days, or latter days.
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    Look I think you missed my point. You aren't trying to make him change his position, that's God's job, not yours. I'm assuming he's been saved longer than you have, but even if he hasn't, God has placed him in a position of authority, so stop and LISTEN to what he has to say. Don't be so quick to ignore what he says because "we don't think that's right". It's not about what you think or feel, it's about what the Bible says. So if he is a Godly wise man, listen to what he has to say. If he isn't a Godly man, find a different church.
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    This is just an observation, it does not speak to the subject at hand. many times we confuse issues and others when we say things like, "Jesus was there in the beginning". I am not picking on you Swath, just trying to correct a common misconception. There was no Jesus until he was born in Bethlehem. Before his incarnation he was The Word. "In the beginning was The Word".
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    Wanted to give an update... Things have gone pretty well for the last couple of weeks. Praise the Lord! Please continue to pray for this if it crosses your mind.
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    Brethren, NASA recently released a video on Pluto that confirms previous data on Pluto; namely that Pluto is void of life. Furthermore, be sure to wear your spacesuit, 'weighted' equipment (due to the extremely low atmospheric pressure), food, air, water, and all of the other needed items for life (internet, potato chips, chocolate bars, and your favorite pet). Lastly, make out your Last Will and Testament as you will not last long. New Horizon's Video of Pluto Courtesy of NASA NASA once again confirms the scientific accuracy of the scriptures. There is no planet, outside of Earth, that can sustain human life. Alan
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    I have learned enough about baptist churches to know each one is a bit different. You'll only know for sure what their doctrine, styles, and methods are from them.
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    "...gunpowder, treason and plot". God had His hand upon England with the discovery of the gunpowder plot. Humanly speaking, there wouldn't have been a King James Bible if Guido Fawkes had had his way. Kind regards Bob
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    Salyan, many thanks for your comments. I wish to put your mind at rest. It was not my intention to promote any particular brand of theology, but rather to point out that it is the Lord who does the saving. This is relevant to evangelism as we can so easily think that we contribute in some way to people getting saved when, in fact, it is a work of God. Once we accept that salvation is of the Lord it takes the pressure off us and removes the temptation to water down the call to repentance lest it causes offence. Regards Bob
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    I am very passionate about personal evangelism as well, and I have wrestled with the same questions. I've noticed that many people try to share the Gospel as a presentation instead of a conversation. When people feel like we are giving them a presentation they seem to want to just agree, and say or pray whatever it takes to get it over with. Of course, that's not always the case. Just toward the end of last year I lead a close friend of mine to the Lord, and he even showed up at church the following Sunday. After that he never came back, and quickly went back to his friends and lifestyle like nothing ever happened. I remember feeling like I had failed my friend somehow. I eventually met with our outreach Pastor to express my frustrations and concerns to him. He reassured me that I had done my part, and that I was in no way responsible for my friends spiritual growth since he refused my offer to help guide him in discipleship. In some cases it takes a person years to start attending church and bearing fruit after they become saved. I've seen it happen with others and that was my own personal experience as well. I was saved for almost three years before I gained a love for reading the Bible, but slowly the desire to learn the Word of God eventually came. Soon after I began a serious study of the Bible I started attending church, became a member, and today I understand what it means to be a new creation.
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    It appears to me, that the denominations that are currently involved with the Refugee Resettlement Programs that fastjav390 linked to are not preaching the gospel to the refugees. In fact, they are not preaching the gospel to those already in their churches. Yes, all refugees need the gospel. I am not, nor the churches that I report to, in any way, or manner, against honest, freedom loving, refugees from any country. The point we are making in this thread is the illegal immigration into the Unites States and the false usage of the word 'refugee,' in order to gain entry to the United States by Muslim terrorists and those who miss-use the government agencies here in America for material gain. I have been to numerous solid, straight as an arrow, IFB churches that love folks of all races, creeds, and countries. In these IFB churches they have ministries within the church to various other people groups. In these IFB churches I have seen ministries to Muslims, Hispanics, Chinese, Laotion (refugees from Laos), Vietnamese, and other non English speaking nationalities. I myself have partricipated in Chinese outreaches. The good work of the IFB churches among other nationalities, refugees, etc..., is not mentioned by the press, news organizations, or mainline denominations. In fact, the good work among the IFB churches to refugees and non-English speaking nationalities, are deliberately ignored by the mainline press and the religious news organizations. Alan
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    I think it's one of the most unique, practical and interesting ideas for a ministry I've heard in a long, long time. And it sounds like you would uniquely qualified to be the one to institute it, based on your own personal testimony. I would love to see you get something like that going! I can see tremendous potential for the Lord.
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    Brother Cloud and his writings are invaluable to me. When I am researching authors, preachers, doctrines &c., I always search his site to see what he has to say about them. I do not think of him as my pastor, not do I "follow" him, but I do respect his opinion and scholarship over just about any author alive today. * By the way, I recommend that every OB member get a copy of Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible and Christianity, if they don't already have one. It's a wonderful work and is a great first Cloud book for those who are not familiar with him.
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    I do not know of a book that addresses that particular side of the subject, nor will I be able to give the exhaustive answer that you need. But I do know that leading up to the time that King James commissioned the translation, England had been in a long, slow state of knitting together into one from several different cultures and languages. From Danish, Saxon, Norman, Gaelic (both Scottish and Irish) Latin and others, the English language had finally evolved over several centuries into a unique language, and these disparagent cultures themselves had become English. Remember, King James himself came from Scotland, and his own political reason for commissioning the translation was in part to use the common language to help bind the English people into one common entity. The translations before the King James version were translations into a still-fluid, still-evolving, not-quite-yet-gelled language. Does that make them inferior? Not in my opinion. Not for their time. Does it make them inferior for today? Yes, again, in my opinion. A fully evolved language needed a fully evolved translation. When the time was right, God gave us what was perfect for us, what we were ready for. How does that relate to today? The English language has de-volved over the years since that time, and any Bible translation that is translated into an inferior language will produce an inferior Bible. That's just my simple, not-intellectual understanding and explanation of the question at hand. I'm sure that there are others on here that are much more studied on the subject than I am.
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    According to the Constitution of the United States, Amendment 1 states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The Johnson law prohibits the free exercise speech, or abridges the free exercise of speech, of the minister in the pulpit; whether the minister miss-uses that right is not the question. Also, we can all agree that a church is an assembly of people: the Johnson law prohibits the free exercise of the speech of a minister while he is in an assembly. Whether the minister is right or wrong is immaterial according to the Constitution of the United States. The Johnson law is unconstitutional and should be nullified by Congress. That is the point that President Trump is making. I agree with President Trump. President Trump is trying to make America great again by getting rid of laws and regulations that are not in accordance to the Constitution. If the members of Congress wants to make America great again, as President Trump is trying to do so, than the members of Congress needs to back him up and nullify the Johnson law.
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    I just saw this and I'm so thankful I can join in prayer with everyone. I remember when your Dad went to glory. Two years ago my wife had a pulmonary embolism (I was away from OB posting). Collapsed in the floor at our home with the wide-eyed grand young'uns watching. She had blood clots in her lungs, an enlarged right ventricle, and they found the main culprit, blood clots in the back of her knee. She was as close to death as a person can be, but God didn't take her. God answers prayers, sometimes the answers are yes and sometimes no. Thank God his answer to us that time was yes. She has an IVC filter now and she's on xarelto. But, she is with me praise God. LuAnne, I will be praying for Randy.
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    Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Jesus!!!
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    My son-in-law, (my daughter's husband), is a rabid Falcons fan and my daughter-in-law (my son's wife) is a rabid Patriots fan. If I get involved at all, it will simply be to sic these two on each other, gin them up and watch the fun. :) My daughter and son are both like me, they really couldn't care less about any sports team.
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    Also, let's remember that a nation's "greatness" (or lack thereof) may not necessarily mean that a particular nation is enjoying the blessings of God. Rome was one of the most (if not the most) hedonistic, horrific, deviant, and idolatrous nations to ever have existed...yet, they were a "great" nation. They ruled the world for 500+ years, but I just don't believe they did so through the blessings of God. However, God used Rome to fulfill his purpose. Rome was a major player in the events surrounding Christ and the apostles...so he "allowed" them to be a "great" nation. Can America be great again? Most certainly it can. What's one way for that to happen? For its rulers to follow biblical principles despite the sin that may be prevalent. We are into the beginning days of Trump's presidency, but I have hope that despite Trump's personal lack of biblical principles knowledge, he appears to be making some wise decisions that can be traced to biblical principles...which is a far cry from Obama's open and public ridicule and mockery of God's word; in which, he showed his own lack of understanding of God's word.
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    There were some posts on the first page of this forum that did basically accuse believers of collusion and yoking up with unbelievers for voting for non-christians. Trump's foibles are there for all to see, that's for sure. He doesn't hide them. And no, I don't put much stock in his "Christianity". That's not my job. He will have one Judge who will judge his heart at the end, and it's surely not going to be me. Paul tells us to pray that the government will leave us alone to worship in peace. I think Trump will at least do that. Also, as has been mentioned above, the much more important signal for us regarding the days ahead are who he is putting into positions of importance. Making Mike Huckabee the ambassador to Israel was HUGE. Much, much more significant than what Bible he used to swear in on at his inauguration, or who he had pray. It's his policies and actions that will show his intentions. If you study some of the truly legendary greats in history that God used to pull nations out of dark times, like King James I, Winston Churchill, Andrew Jackson, Sam Houston etc. you'll find many of them were rascals in their private life, but it was their thorny character that God used to exercise his will. A gentle Christian shopkeeper has his place, but God often uses fire to fight fire. Read about the some of the flawed crazy men he chose to save Israel from bondage time after time in Judges, or look at men like Jehu, for example. Study out the man who's name is on your Bible (excluding GB, of course ). This was not a man you would vote as pastor of your church, but God used the secular, unsaved ruler of an empire to give you one of the most precious gifts he has ever blessed man with.
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    I did not read the bot article but I have read The Shack. I read it when it came out and I regret doing so. it is one of the most blasphemous and heretical books I have ever read. God is written as a black woman named both "Elousia" and "Papa", the Holy Spirit is a female asian ghost-like thing named "Sarayu" and Jesus is a middle eastern fun-loving carpenter, complete with tool belt and plaid shirt. It contradicts scripture at every turn and it was very difficult for me to read it. I kept getting so angry that I had to put it down and walk away from it for a while. Truth be told, I actually threw it across the room a few times. My (Catholic) mother read it a few years ago and loved it. I have had to sit with her and a Bible many times since, to show her how it contradicts scripture, so that she would stop giving copies of it as gifts to her friends and family. To be honest, I think she still does, but just doesn't tell me anymore. It reminded me of a new age book that I was given in high school that I fell in love with called, "Illusions" by Richard Bach. The stories are completely different but they share similar messages. In Illusions, the Jesus-esque character is a biplane pilot pushing the idea that anyone can be a messiah, to some extent, if they just let go of their limitations and that our understanding of God is all wrong. He's the same guy that wrote "Johnathan Livingston Seagull." Both Bach's books are very well written and offer a dangerously compelling worldview for lost people searching for meaning. The Shack is written equally as well and spiritually enticing. David Cloud has an informative review of it in an article called, "The Shack's Cool God." It's worth a read. There is absolutely no redeeming value in The Shack whatsoever. It is evil and should be avoided. Some people think that we need to see or read every popular thing that comes out that is leading people astray. For example, I remember when "The last Temptation of Christ" came out and many Christians thought they had to see that in order to refute it. I completely disagree. We don't have to witness a murder in order to tell people that it's sinful. We don't have to watch pornography to warn people about its sinfulness. I don't think we need to study and understand all of the world's false teachings in order to refute them either. If we had to do that, we would be spending all of our time reading godless, worldly garbage and would have no time for reading and studying the Bible. I think Christians should be spending their time studying scripture to be able to answer questions about God's word. We were called to share the Gospel and to preach God's word, not to study the teachings of fools.