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    I agree with Happy Christian's request and would even add to it. In any editing of this reply I would request that you also remove the uncalled for accusation of a brother being "given over to a reprobate mind." This is totally uncalled for. This gets into the realm of unwarranted personal attacks. The following is a statement of purpose from this board's owner and will be enforced if warnings are not heeded: "This board is owned and operated by Independent, Fundamental, KJV Baptist believers. We are not interested in arguing or debating. This board is set up for IFB to fellowship and uplift our Lord Jesus Christ." Let's play nice.
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    November 5, 1977 to Nov 5, 2017. Wow, it doesn't seem possible. 40!! Against the odds initially given -- I'm looking at the end of 4 decades and the beginning of a 5th. Celebration plans have already begun.
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    Unless things have changed, knowing MountainChristian as I do (from this forum), he is no Bible mocker. He is someone who seeks a deeper understanding of scripture and isn't ashamed to ask questions...because he wants to understand things that may not be easily understood. I, for one, take the verse in question at face value...I don't claim to be right. It says that it was "spoken" by the prophets; it doesn't say that it was "written" by the prophets. Just because it isn't recorded (written) in scripture, that doesn't mean it didn't happen...the Bible says it was spoken...not written...and yes, I'm aware of the debate surrounding that view. ;)
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    I'm sorry about that. Brother, I hope some of us can be used to ease your mind on this matter. But one thing that has helped me is to not "overthink" stuff. God tells us to Trust in the Lord with all our heart and lean not to our own understanding...... But do understand that God wants us to choose Him, but He wants it to be our choice. Every single one of us. Let me give you one verse to ponder before I retire for the night. Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
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    When your life is on the line and seconds count, the less garbage you have on the firearm to worry about is critical. Just the thought of a long gun in a situation where you are waking from sleep and possibly having to negotiate room or hallway corners gives me pause for serious consideration. My choice for both home protection as well as carrying in outdoor situations is my Mitchell Arms Gold Series .45 ACP. For self defense I prefer one weapon that can be used both at home and away. Of prime consideration for me is the ability to fire from a position around a hall corner without exposing myself to an attacker. This is difficult to impossible with a long gun.
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    Bro. Greg, you mentioned "material and SS books and it reminded me of another issue I have big problems with. The graduates of WCBC seem to overly rely on these materials in their ministry. Rather than using them as a guide or reference material, many times they are used as they were written. Most pastors would deny this, but if you listen to a man and he cannot even pronounce certain words, it becomes obvious that he did not write them. I am always suspicious of lesson series that have these catchy titles to them. I have even seen the very same titles and sermon names on the WCBC website. It is especially obvious that the series has been pre-prepared when the fancy banners appear in your church with the series title on them. I am sorry if my comments on this subject seem harsh, but I consider this to be a subject of the utmost importance. If a man is not properly prepared for the ministry, then his qualifications for pastor are called into question,as they should be. To be fair I would like to say that I believe, for the most part, that these new graduates may be sincere, Godly men. But they fail to understand that it is God that equips a man for the ministry. A total reliance on bible colleges for their pastoral education, to the exclusion of the teaching ministry of The Holy Spirit is a grave mistake. 1Tim 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
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    We don't see ministries in the Bible working outside (local) church authority. If a ministry today is not overseen by a particular church it is not following Bible example and it will eventually go off the rails, assuming it was on the rails in the first place. They are or become a law unto themselves. (Local) church authority keeps that in check while the church involved stays biblical. This is not specific to this case but to all "para-church" organisations.
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    What you are alluding to is the "Doctrine of Reprobates." A reprobate is some one who knows the truth of salvation but consistently rejects it and God anyway. Basically the only reason lost people (the children of men) even consider God is because God is actively drawing their attention. If that person humbles themselves to the drawing of God then God will save them (and make them His sons) but over time if that person, while knowing the truth, constantly resists and insist on going their own way then God will let them go by handing their consistence over to themselves. Once "on their own" their lust to sin will warp their mind and harden/blind them to salvation. Its not that they "can no longer be saved" but that once God gives them up, they will have no desire to be saved and will spiral deeper in to more gruesome sins. It is the rare person who can be brought back from this reprobate spiral into death but not impossible (of course it could be debated that such a person brought back was not yet given over, but I digress in that squabble). However, It is my belief that once God gives them up they then have the option of becoming a "child of the devil", which at that point, if they do, they can never be saved because not only will they have no desire for salvation but, as a child of the devil, now have a strong desire to DESTROY anything Godly. James 4:5-7 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 1:13-16 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Isaiah 57:15-21 For thus saith the high and lofty Onethat inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. 16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him. 20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. 21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked. Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. John 12:39-41 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. John 8:31-59 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. 48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. 1 Timothy 1:12-13 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
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    "The Trail of Blood," by J.M. Carroll is fairly accurate. As with a lot of history, especially church history, it is not perfect. The Chart, "The Trail of Blood," that is in the back, and the dates therein, are fairly accurate. The main thrust of the 'Trail of Blood' is to show that the New Testament church has no denominational headquarters, no school of scholars, no board of men to control it. The beauty of the Trail of Blood is to show that the Roman Catholic Church, the Reformed churches that came out of the Roman Catholic church, are man-made religious organizations with a denominational headquarters and a denominational machine to make sure that the saints in their churches are fed from denominational scholars, printing presses, men in the pulpit who will follow the denominational path. The chart is the main thrust of the book. It is invaluable. The beauty of the Trail of blood is to show the true brethren in the New Testament church that God preserved His word and not church history. Yes, The Trail of Blood is worthy for every saint to read it and every pastor to use it to accurately explain church history. Alan
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    australian, british, north, south.....who cares as long as our names are written in Heaven.
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    Hi! I'm Celina and I'm back! I joined the forum back in 2012. And I remembered being part of this forum and decided to come back. Things have been rocky. God is gracious enough to welcome me back into the flock. I have backslidden and lived a life not glorfying God. Realized how i messed my life, I run back to the Father. I want to seek God again and have the same passion I did when I first got converted. Thanks for reading. May God bless you.
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    How many points is an escape ladder worth in this game?
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    The only "early church" men of whom I have any confidence in their writings are Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, Jude, aka the writers of the New Testament because those "histories" are Holy Spirit inspired. Anyone else is subject to skepticism or scrutiny at best. The Bible says "search the scriptures." (John 5:39)
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    Please don't be angry. What I tell people like this is always the same, sometimes they positively respond, sometimes they don't but that is the name of the business we are in. God never commanded us to save people. God commanded us to preach His Gospel. Since you ask of relatives or people close to me, the Gospel is well known by them for many years now. Some like to start arguments but I tell them that I pray for them day and night and beg God for them to open their hearts before it is too late. My close relatives I make sure see me begging God for them. We must rid ourselves of the unScriptural idea that we must try to win arguments with the lost. The Lord said to warn them day and night with tears but if we don't make this matter life and death to them (like they are in a burning building) then we appear weak in faith. I mean, we really do believe that we are saved from eternal torment in Hell where we would have weeped and wailed and gnashed our teeth for eternity, right? If we want to have intellectual arguments with the lost just for the sake of argument, what Gospel are we preaching? This is what I pray you consider.
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    2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. The Bible says there are some passages in the Word which are "hard to be understood" and many of these no doubt represent the "meat" of the word instead of "milk. Nobody is "dumbing down" the Gospel. But God did make salvation so simple that even a child can come to Him. Even a lost person can discern evil; the Bible even says so in the Book of Genesis about man "knowing good and evil". Understand sir, that even a lost man can discern that Tulip theology is evil . I will tell you assuredly" it is another gospel with another Jesus. it misrepresents the righteous character of God and I will go as far as to say that It's blasphemy against God.. God wants all men to be saved. he KNOWs who will and who will not, but that does not change the fact that Jesus tasted death for every man and that salvation is freely offered to every man.
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    The issues aren't dumbed down. The verse in question offers a choice...plain and simple. It doesn't matter the context. Does Reformed Theology accept a saved person's choices after salvation, but salvation itself (on the other hand) has nothing to do with a person's choice to accept it or deny it? Scripture isn't dumbed down. Reformationaltoligistsupratheologists make it an overly complicated and complex thought process...that requires even more overly complicated thought processes to explain the overly complicated thought process. What's so hard about "come unto me"? Don't worry about early apologists...they didn't write the Bible. They gave their view of what they thought...their thoughts. The Bible itself is the only apologist needed. It's when we listen to man that we can (and do) get confused. Too many Reformists quote James White and others in their defense of Calvinism....
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    Apps are convenient and good at times but there's something about carrying a bible that really marks you out as a Christian who will not be ashamed.
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    Sensual Singing Techniques God instructs His people to sing spiritual songs (Colossians 3:16). Spiritual means holy. It refers to that which is separated unto a holy God from the unholiness of this world. There are clear biblical principles that are to be applied to every aspect of the Christian life, including music, and by examining these biblical principles we can to discern spiritual from worldly music. We listed principles of biblical separation in the chapter on rhythm, and the same principles apply to vocal styles, so we will repeat them here. • Spiritual music is music that is not conformed to the world (Romans 12:2). • Spiritual music is music that is not according to the realm of spiritual death (Ephesians 2:1). • Spiritual music is music that... Read More View the full article
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    I would venture to say that the church referenced "more than likely" actually uses the 1769...or possibly a Cambridge edition. To say that one uses the 1611 is often only to show their stance. I sometimes say it myself. Here's an interesting article that may help in showing the differences... https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/changes_to_kjv_since_1611.html
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    In these last days of the church age many Independent Baptist Churches are failing, falling away and even discarding the name Baptist. Some are even straying so far from the Scriptural truths that our forefathers held so dear that they become heretical. Our Bibles warn us that this time will come and in the modern world we live in today we can see this happening before our eyes. 2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; Gone are the days of the great revivals, strong, missionary minded churches, churches that will preach the uncompromising truth of God’s Word. Gone are the small local churches that accomplished great things for God and those they served. Gone are the days that produced great preachers and teachers from among the ranks of the local churches. Our Bibles warned us of this time, but many turned deaf ears to God’s solemn warnings. Rev. 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. This falling away did not happen overnight; had it happened quickly, those who were sound and strong in the faith would have seen the danger and moved to correct it. It happened very slowly over time by simply omitting or failing to teach the whole Word of God as laid out by Jesus and His Apostles. In years gone by a successful church was identified by sound preaching and teaching that encouraged its members to hold fast to the truths passed down by faithful servants of God. The Apostle Paul spoke of it in this manner to Timothy: 2Tim. 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. But in our modern world churches are seen as successful simply because of numbers. i.e. The biggest churches are seen as the most successful. Now I am not saying that all large churches are bad, there are some great large churches. But for the ones that are lukewarm or even falling away from the faith once delivered to the saints, their main thrust is numbers. The great numbers of people that make up this kind of church comes at a price. That price is usually manifest in doctrinal weakness, a social Gospel, feel good messages from the pulpit and a general decline in the spiritual strength of a church. The real danger of doctrinal weakness in larger churches is that smaller churches tend to follow their lead. Many times in church services a doctrinal issue is spoken of, but not elaborated on either within the sermon or at other times when it can be taught as a stand alone lesson. For instance, in the course of a sermon you may hear the pastor mention doctrines like; The trinity, the security of the believer, the deity of Christ, Salvation by grace, predestination, election, or the local church. But if these things are not explained, we have not properly grounded our members. It is not enough to simply believe what we hear; we must prove it by God’s Word. We dare not simply assume that our members know what these things mean. So, is there a remedy and if there is, what is it? The answer is yes there is a remedy; unfortunately the remedy is conditional in many cases. It is conditional simply because of the number of churches that have fallen prey to worldly devices, weak teaching institutions and the sheer number of new preachers that have been educated in an environment that focuses on all the wrong things. i.e. Easy believism, a prosperity Gospel, feel good theology, contemporary Christian music and a drawing away from our historical, spiritual roots. Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. If we fail to pass on what we have learned, there comes a gradual digression simply because future leaders have not learned these things. So then, the remedy is simple and like so many things “Bible”, it is so simple that it is often overlooked. The remedy is this; back to the basics, which is “the truth once delivered to the saints.” 2Tim. 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
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    They are so hard to witness to because as said above, their entire religion is based upon NOT thinking, NOT ever questioning, NOT checking the evidence and reading the book for what it says. Never look at their history of date-making and their constant failures. ANY questioning of the status quo leads to immediate removal and shunning by family and friends. They will encourage even divorce if one spouse leaves the 'church'. And then of course, there is their big money operation: salvation is based upon how much work one does, how many tracts and watchtowers and Awakes are passed out, and of course, ALL of them must be purchased and one's purchases are recorded-if you buy enough and give out enough, you'll hear about it. Any sort of salvation, such as it is, is dependent upon the organization, not a relationship with the Saviour. Noe going to Heaven if not one of the 144,000, and of course, no hell, no punishment, just blinked out of existence. What a mess!
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    It isn't only Disney. Any Holllywood make of a Bible story needs to be considered suspect. Even back as far as Ben Hur and The Ten Commandments, both of which starred Charleton Heston. Ben Hur, of course, is fiction so of course that must be taken into account. But The 10 Commandments is a mish-mash of incidents that took place, combining and messing up many of the events (for instance, Korah, Dathan, and Abijah were swallowed up by the earth as a result of the golden calf incident in the movie). Any time a production company that is not biblical-based creates a movie about the Bible, Christians need to be leery.
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    He will reply to respectful email but he does expect people to do a little research before writing and to use some sense. For example: Don't write him asking about something if you have not searched the website material and read what he has already written. (We've worked hard to make the search tool on the site work efficiently.) If you ask him about something he's written about, say Calvinism, he expects you to have already read the free eBook he has on the subject and searched for other reports. So his reply (or lack of it) greatly depends on respect and your taking some interest to find out for yourself. His time is a very precious thing to him. NOTE: I do not speak on behalf of Bro. Cloud... This is my personal observation. I do get a kick out of some of his emails though... Some are impossible to believe. Here are some examples. Edit: I should add... I enjoy the "They don't agree." and "A little further out" emails from the link above....
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    I wanted to publicly thank Bro. Jim (Jim Alaska) for fixing a problem with my account. I have been unable to post for a couple of days and he worked hard to get my account working again. Very good support from the Online Baptist staff and Bro. Jim!
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    RE: "I am not your pastor" report at Way of Life Literature Yes, I like that article. I do wish people would read all of his material and not only the "controversial" warnings. I wish people would consider the total of his writings from his Encyclopedia to his Advanced Bible Study series, his books, and even his reports on God's Creation (such as the Monarch butterfly). But human nature being what it is,we tend to focus on the controversy. I am guilty also. I am amazed that people are so quick to criticize but don't even know who the man is and the ministry that God has called him too. A good number don't even know that he is a missionary and church planter. I recognize the full right of someone to have their own opinion.. but they should at least be informed, knowing what they are talking about. (Full Disclosure: I do support work for Bro. Cloud and Way of Life Literature)
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    Post-posting follow-up... I contacted this particular pastor after listening to the sermon, and I respectfully and humbly explained why the word was indeed translated correctly in the KJV...also gave him the link to Cawdrey's dictionary. I never heard back from him, and I never saw a retraction, correction, or the admittance that he could have been wrong. Pride is a dirty business...
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    I don't know but whatever you do, don't accept advice on writing from this guy!
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    Shouldn't this be in the forthcoming gardening section?
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    In Genesis 6 v 3 we read that God's Spirit "will not always strive with man". I sometimes used to wonder what that meant. Then I heard a sermon from an evangelist based in N. Ireland named Alan Bartley. He preached a powerful sermon about how he believed that if people keep resisting the pull of the Holy Spirit, they may do it once too often and the Holy Spirit will withdraw from granting him any more conviction, thus leaving that person to die in his sins. I'm not sure if this is a true interpretation - can anyone enlighten me on this? We know that people do resist the Holy Spirit because Stephen says so in Acts 7 v 51.
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    Weary warrior, I understand your thoughts. I am not a Baptist Brider (much less a militant one). I would probably have been offended also if I was in your shoes at the time. I am sorry to know that initially it left a bad taste in your mourth due to the spirit of the men who used the Trail of Blood improperly. Men are men. Even some of the Spirit led men in the IFB churches can be rude, uncaring, hard to deal with, and at times, are overly passionate. Sometimes we (I am including myself), forget the words of Paul the Apostle in 2 Timothy 2:24, "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient." The Trail of Blood is a teaching aid. As with any teaching aid, a person needs to learn how to use it properly and in the proper spirit. It is my hope that you do re-visit the Trail of Blood. As one carefully reads the Trail of Blood, besides the points that I mentioned above, a person can see that the church history outside of the Roman Catholic church is filled with persecution from inside the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic church (and some of the leaders of the Reformed churches afterward), are simply fulfilling the natural effects of Galatians 4:29, "But as he that was born after the flesh persecuted him tha was born after the Spirit, even so it is now." Brethren, Carroll is trying to point out that the men, and assemblies, were local, independent, and Baptist in distictive (as it was brought out in the "Condeminum" thread started by Brother Stafford), almost all of the non-denominational churches could not afford signs,could not write nor read, did not have denominational writers, and did not have the money that the denominational churches had to support schools, seminaries, printing presses, and denominational puppets in the churches. They were almost all Baptist in disctictives and maybe not in print. Here is the link to, "The Compendium of Baptist History," thread by Brother Strafford. Yes, a few of the men, and a few of the groups, that Carroll brought out in the Trail of Blood did have problems as Invicta pointed out. But, they were still independent of the Roman Catholic denominational machine and were persecuted; oftentimes to the death. How many of us have been physically persecuted? Mobbed by religious fanatics? homes destroyed? lives ruined? publicly humiliated? slandered? Even to this day the brethren, and the groups listed in The Trail of Blood, in spite of the intense persecution they endured, is publicly slandered among the denominational machine sholars, writers, internet theologians, and 'church history' books. God will set the church history record straight in eternity. Alan
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    I don't have any of those things, and I have bars on some of the windows, so if there's a fire I'm out of luck.
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    Just a thought on living in 'dangerous places'... I live in a pretty safe community (for a city), in a quiet part of the world. Maybe it's because I'm a woman alone, but I feel the need to have a means of protection wherever I am - home, countryside or city. If in the city, it's because of the people. If the country, wild animals or people. And people are everywhere - no matter where you live. Bevauss you never know which one will turn out to be a threat.
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    They say that God's drawing is "Irresistable" but the Bible gives an account of a man who did just that while being dealt with by the Holy Ghost. Acts 24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.
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    You have displayed great wisdom in this post, dear brother. Some years ago I attempted to debate atheists and all they wanted to do was curse and swear. I soon realised that it was a case of "pearls before swine". In my work of evangelism, passing out tracts and so on, I simply offer the Gospel. If people choose to stop and ask questions I, too, will seek to give a reason for the hope that lies within me. Debating doesn't really solve anything, and may even pander to pride about one's knowledge. Honestly answering questions in an uncompromising, but respectful, way is in accordance with 1st Peter 3 v 15, and is the right approach. Your comments were deeply appreciated.
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    I remember listening to a radio debate on this issue between James White and Dave Hunt (this was before they jointly wrote their book "5 points, 2 views"). White kept going on about what the reformers believed and taught but Hunt, very wisely in my view, said something like this: "Let's go back before the reformers and simply imagine, for a moment, that all we have is the Bible". That sums up the essential difference in this whole debate, generally, and in this particular thread. Those of us who simply use the Bible will affirm the so-called "traditional" view of soteriology (I hope I've spelled that right!), while those who promote the view that Jesus didn't die for everyone will make frequent reference to the reformers, puritans, Westminster Confession etc. etc. etc. I know which I would prefer as my standard.
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    no here. I would like to when I get a round tuit
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    You have made a very good point. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people explain away the plain meaning of the Bible by referring to "the original Greek"; an example of this is where some people explain away the plain meaning of the word "all" in 1st Timothy 2 v 4 or "every" in Hebrews 2 v 9. Also, some of the translators of the KJV were such experts in the original languages that they were fluent even as children (yes, children). Their knowledge was remarkable, not to mention their absolute confidence in the Bible as God's infallible word. Many of the modern "translators" do not even believe in the infallibility of the Bible.
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    Blunderbuss? Did you say Blunderbuss? Another nice "blunderbuss" .....
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    Sweet. For home defense I would go with the pistol grip shotgun, though, like a Mossberg 500. But that's still a nice weapon there.
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    Brother, I am not opposed to confrontation I appreciate it and understand it has a valid place in discussion. I felt like my comments lacked investigation and felt it better not to post something if I could not defend it with facts. Appreciate your response.
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    Absolutely! I agree they nearly impossible to witness to. The Governing Body uses many mind control techniques to take away their ability to think for themselves, and anything contradictory to Watchtower teachings is believed to be of Satan. I am convinced it's all a money scam. There is no way anyone can convince me that the Governing Body isn't aware of their past false prophecies. and know Jesus is not physically directing them. When they changed their policy to offering magazines to "voluntarily" donations to avoid tax laws, they had a back up scam in waiting. Today the individual Kingdom Halls pay for all the literature they receive, and when they get a donation it is sent back to the Society even though it's already paid for. They are double dipping. By far the largest reason I believe it's a scam is because of their Biblical interpretations. Even a novice Bible reader could discern that Acts 15:20 has NOTHING to do with not accepting blood transfusions. Such an interpretation is false and borderline idiotic! They only way a person could read the Bible and come up with their interpretations would be by using one of their publications as a guide. Period.
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    I think he was just being facetious. Divorce is one of the most touchy subjects among some IFBs, and it can raise the hackles on some. At times, those who are diametrically opposed to divorce and remarriage will tackle that subject with the same fervor as they would MVs, false religions, standards, etc.
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    Dear M, It sounds like you are dealing with several issues. Firstly, if you are just now learning of the common belief in the prohibition of remarriage after divorce, it sounds as if you may not be spending enough time reading God's word. If you have been attending a Baptist church for 20 years, this common Baptist doctrine should not come as a surprise to you. Secondly, it sounds as if you have not made up your mind on this issue. Your pastor tells you that you may not marry a divorced woman, but you also refer to Matthew 5:32 and state that you believe your pastor to be wrong. If you have studied the subject by studying the scriptures and have sought clarity in prayer and you truly believe your pastor to be in error, then it doesn't sound like you have a problem; marry whom you please. From what you have shared in your post, it does not sound like your pastor is forbidding godly marriage, only marriage that he believes is in disobedience to scripture. (I agree with your pastor on this issue, as you have presented his position, but this issue is far from beyond a settled debate amongst Christians of varying denominations; including Baptists). However, if you believe your pastor to be truly teaching "doctrines of devils," why would you remain in a church where the pastor is teaching a doctrine also taught by those who have departed from the faith, given heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, spoken lies in hypocrisy and having had his conscience seared with a hot iron? Brother, church is not the reason for the situation that you shared, which you are finding frustrating and confusing; the existence of sin in the world is the cause. The lack of available godly women in your area is not the fault of your church and such a lack does not give us permission to lower our standards or to disobey God's commands. If there are no women available to marry, who meet biblical criteria, then you must either look farther out, relocate to a place where there are more women or remain single. Remaining single is not a curse or a punishment. The apostle Paul remained single and encouraged other Christians to do the same, if possible. I, myself, have remained single and celibate, voluntarily, for the past fifteen years, after many years of godless fornication with many women, prior to getting saved. It boils down to what I said above. You have to make up your mind about what you believe God's word truly says about the matter. If you believe your pastor to be wrong, then you don't have an issue and you may feel free to marry whichever women you please. If you share your pastor's understanding of God's word, then you cannot marry a divorced women, unless her husband is no longer living. I encourage you to search the scriptures yourself. Do not rely solely upon the advice of others. You will be able to find members here that will support you in either position. Make sure you pray and ask for understanding as you study God's word on the matter and don't just try to find a way to interpret the scriptures to support your desire. That's just my two cents worth.
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    Good - got you looking rather than assuming. And I am surprised that the jewish guys behind it would look to muslims - but if you read on, each of their consultants were happy with the result - shows the caliber of the consultants, doesn't it.
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    I emailed Bro. Cloud several years back. I don't recall the question I had at that time but, he was quick to respond and answered my question completely. I was pleasantly surprised that a man as busy in his ministry as David Cloud would take time to personally answer and email.
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    I hesitate to say much due to my association with him but I can tell you that he does not "waste" one second of any day. And he is involved in so much that people don't know about. I would encourage you to contact him asking to be put on his missions prayer letter list. A "contact" link is found at the bottom of every web page on his site, www.wayoflife.org. Just ask to receive his missions prayer letter. As info, he asks to keep his location quiet.
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    His divorce, subsequent remarriage nary a few months later, and then recently leading "church services" at the DAL over youtube was the thing that did it for me in deciding to part ways with him and his ministry. I'm not going to stand in condemnation of him and I'll let him "plow his row" for Christ and I'll "plow my row" for Christ, as he likes to say, but I'm not going to help him to do it by defending, promoting or participating in his ministry anymore.
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    Well, I was able to solve my problem through a "backdoor" method. Last night I considered the possibility that my posting was simply viewed as "too long" (surprise, surprise), and that there might now be some type of "length limiter" on postings . . . ??? (Note: My posting was not longer than I have posted in the past, but was actually shorter than some.) So I first did a one line test (copy and paste from Microsoft Word), and it worked. Then I tried the whole posting again, and again received the error message. So then, I divided my posting in half; but I still received the error message. Yet not to be so easily deterred, I tried one more time by dividing my posting into thirds; and IT WORKED (yipeee). The ironic thing is that my three postings were then automatically merged (as the forum now does), so as to create the original longer posting. Now then, IF the problem really is a "length limiter" on postings, THEN my engagement as a poster on the forum, particularly for deeper Bible study matters, is going to become significantly more difficult (and ? annoying ?).
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    "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6 Starting from the book of Leviticus, through the Psalms, through the prophets, salvation was the moment when an individual, by faith, as pictured by Abraham, trusted in the mercy of God for the salvation of the soul. The sacrifices, as Hosea 6:6 clearly shows, were not for the salvation of the soul. As the sacrifice of Abraham clearly shows, the righteous Jews knew that one day God would offer His own sacrifice for sins: Isaiah 53. The righteous Jews knew, as Abraham knew, that one day, "the lamb of God" would come into the world as the one and only sacrifice for sins. The lost religious Jews, the lost religious Priests, the lost Pharisees, miss-used the sacrifices of Leviticus as a means of salvation. Just like the lost religious ministers of the various denominations in the Church dispensation miss- use baptism, the Lord's Supper, and ceremonies, as a means of salvation. Like Abraham before the Law,and like the Jews under the Law, the Millennium sacrifices are not meant to be a sacrifice for salvation: but for remembrance and teaching; like baptism and the Lord's Supper. "And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between he unclean and the clean." Ezekiel 44:23 Just like every righteous pastor uses the Old Testament law, stories, examples, prophets, etc... to explain the difference between right and wrong, worldliness and spirituality; the priests in the Millennial Temple will use the sacrifices as teaching aids. Think about it. Alan
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    I have purchased several KJV Bibles from Local Church Bible Publishers here in Michigan and have been very pleased with the quality of their Bibles. They also include a copy of the Gospel of John and Romans in a small newspaper format as a free gift. I haven't seen them listed on their website but I just found them on a separate site for their bindery. They sell them for 10 cents a piece and they come in bundles of 100. I just ordered a bundle so that I can include them as a gift along with a DVD of the restoration process when I return refinished antiques to my customers. You can order them in bundles of 100 here: Good News John & Romans newspaper. If you order 5000 or more, you can have them customize the whole back page for you.