As I said, I don't know if they even have a website. I don't know what else I can say about the matter. They go door-to-door and engage in other forms of soul winning as I mentioned before; as do many other Baptist churches. The proof of the effectiveness isn't in numbers, it's in changed lives which bear the fruit of salvation. Considering the soul winning preaching and efforts of men like Spurgeon, Mueller, Whitefield, Edwards and others, I don't know how one can say that soul winning and cals don't exist. Look into the formation and history of some of the great missions and they were formed by cals. Perhaps some of the men more familiar with English missionary history here can post some links to this.
I was responding regarding the specific Christians I've posted about. As I indicated in more than one other post, there are many cals and non-cals which don't soul win, which are in dead churches, and some are saved and some are not.
So the Republicans ran for control of congress during the last election by proclaiming Obama can't be trusted, is bad for America, and with the promise if Republicans controlled the congress they would halt Obama in his tracks. Then Obama demands fast track trade negotiation authority which basically avoids the constitution and takes oversight out of the hands of congress where such deals constitutionally belong, and the Republican leadership fights tooth and nail to get this approved. When needing election votes the Republicans cry about Obama being untrustworthy and needing to be stopped by the Republicans. After the election the Republicans hand Obama even more unchecked power and authority over a major sector of the economy and America's future. Again, what hope is there in voting for either Party when both are simply different wings on the same rotten bird. How much better our time could be spent spreading the Gospel at political rallies than in trying to drum up support for more of the same.
They are preaching the exact same Gospel message from Scripture that we do. We use the same KJB, the same "Roman's Road" (some use this), the same passages on salvation. We use many of the same tracts. There is one Gospel, that's what's being proclaimed. Some accept Christ, some refuse. The biblical evidence is there showing which are which.
God is in control of all things and in the midst of that He allows man a measure of free will. Scripture says men must choose for themselves while at the same time Scripture is clear that God will work all things together to bring about His will. In His Word, God lays out the consequences of our choices and also lays out a sketch of His overall plan. We know, if we choose to follow Christ what that means and where it will lead. Likewise, we know what refusing to follow Christ means and where that will lead.
I know we've probably all seen the drawings and movie depictions of such but I really wonder just how much of a disaster will be caused by a rapture. The above scenario would require a large number of Christians, many in key positions, for there to be wide scale disaster. While I've heard some preachers claim believe 50-80 percent of Americans will disappear in the rapture that seems like a grossly unrealistically high percentage. How biblically sound full of born again Christians are most churches in your (anyone) area? Even in the best of churches there are some unsaved folks sitting in the pews. In most church it seems most folks are unsaved; sometimes the pastors are unsaved as well. It's estimated only 1% of Europeans are born again Christians. If true, any impact of rapture will likely be limited. In America the percentage of professing Christians is shrinking and when Christians pollsters have done their best to weed out "christians" who aren't born again in Christ, the numbers they have come up with are rather low. Most missionary reports from areas where it's said many are coming to Christ are in remote regions, undeveloped regions, areas where an actual large percentage of the population could disappear and basically go unnoticed. A rapture may not have anywhere near the dramatic impact we've been led to believe. Considering how many millions are kidnapped, murdered, stolen away and such each year around the world, it's possible the rapture could easily be played off as a massive criminal enterprise. It would be easy for a world ruler to declare such, then raid a known major sex slave trader where most were killed (so they can't testify in court) and some slaves rescued and that declared then the news cycle moves on as it does today. Most people today already believe the lies fed to them by the media so if further delusion is added to the masses it won't take much effort to feed them a lie to explain scattered people around the world missing. Not to mention, much the story could be withheld by the media and governments as so many are today. In such a case, many around the world may be unaware of missing folks around the world and only aware of a few in their area or immediate new coverage area. This is another reason I wish books and movies didn't use so much sensationalism. Even if someone is aware of the potential of a rapture, if they are expecting something like 9-11 on a worldwide scale and no such thing happens, they may miss noticing it with or without being further deluded.
The church isn't in my immediate area, but in this region. I don't even know if they have a website. What I do know is they have a very active soul winning ministry which includes door knocking, soul winning at county fairs and other events and support of many missionaries. As I mentioned previously, there are also many lazy cals around here too, but at the same time most of the non cal churches are lazy in terms of soul winning too. None of these churches make soul winning a priority and it's not a matter of their cal or non cal positions, it's simply not a priority in their churches. Personally, the only cals I've ever "met" who didn't believe in soul winning were online and they were a very rabid sort which should be checking their own selves to make their calling and election sure. Thus far, the cals I've actually met and those I know hold to similar cal views as did Spurgeon. Spurgeon said he didn't understand how God's election and predestination worked in conjunction with what he referred to as the general call of the Gospel but since God said it he believed it and that's why he preached the Gospel to all men and supported missionary efforts to spread the Gospel. There are several cal churches, several armin churches and many more which take no position firmly in either of those two groups. Among them all there are those who preach the Gospel and endeavor to spread the Gospel and there are many more which don't. Many of the churches today are more like social clubs where folks gather for a good time, or to feel good about themselves, and then they go their way until the next appointed gathering. Some of these mix a little good works in there, whether thinking it aids their salvation in some way or because they think that's something they should do. Most seem to have little interest in sharing the Gospel. This seems to be even more true today when sharing the Gospel isn't nearly as well received as it once was in America.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. We read here that the Lord shall descend with a shout. What is this shout? Also, there will be the voice of the archangel. What is the meaning of this? Then there is the trump of God. Often I've heard this trumpet sounding is our (the dead in Christ as well as those alive in Christ) call to come to Christ. If we consider First Corinthians 15:51-52 as referring to this same event, we see this all happening in the twinkling of an eye. Interesting that prior to discussing the Lord calling His people forth, we are given this important instruction in the previous chapter of First Thessalonians: 1 Thessalonians 3:12-13 12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. Why does it seem most often we overlook, ignore or simply fail to give close heed to this? Are these not key admonitions?
I don't think there are any Arminians here. Those denouncing Cavlinism also denounce Arminianism. The dominant viewpoint here is that the Elect are so based upon God's foreknowledge that they will accept Christ. This ties in with the dominant view that each person has a free will choice to accept or reject the Gospel; which God knows already who will and won't. As Paul pointed out, if someone is preaching the Gospel, that's a good thing!
We can relax now since I just read how the Rapture will be in September (possibly this one, but maybe another one) with the Great Tribulation to follow in March. So, as long as we are ready anytime during a September we should be good to go. Some guy says all the recent earthquakes and the blood moons leads him to believe this coming September is likely Rapture time but he's left the door open to perhaps be a September in another year. Why September I don't know. It must be true, I read it on Facebook! With so many different people trying to relate every current even to end times prophecy it's little wonder some have turned a deaf ear to end times matters. Studies which focus upon what Scripture says, without trying to fit daily news reports into the verses, have benefit, but the constant speculations and attempts to place every news item for the past several decades into those verses is taking things in unfruitful directions. I appreciate the careful study of Revelation itself.
Thank you for taking the time to put that together. I'm familiar with these, and the extrapolation made from this. As a previous post read it seemed as if perhaps there was something I may had missed somewhere with a verse more directly stating as certain fact when the trump sounds our names will be called to which we will hear and respond. I don't discount that it's probable we will each hear our names called; I was just wondering if I had somehow managed to miss a verse which emphatically says so.