The church isn't in my immediate area, but in this region. I don't even know if they have a website. What I do know is they have a very active soul winning ministry which includes door knocking, soul winning at county fairs and other events and support of many missionaries. As I mentioned previously, there are also many lazy cals around here too, but at the same time most of the non cal churches are lazy in terms of soul winning too. None of these churches make soul winning a priority and it's not a matter of their cal or non cal positions, it's simply not a priority in their churches. Personally, the only cals I've ever "met" who didn't believe in soul winning were online and they were a very rabid sort which should be checking their own selves to make their calling and election sure. Thus far, the cals I've actually met and those I know hold to similar cal views as did Spurgeon. Spurgeon said he didn't understand how God's election and predestination worked in conjunction with what he referred to as the general call of the Gospel but since God said it he believed it and that's why he preached the Gospel to all men and supported missionary efforts to spread the Gospel. There are several cal churches, several armin churches and many more which take no position firmly in either of those two groups. Among them all there are those who preach the Gospel and endeavor to spread the Gospel and there are many more which don't. Many of the churches today are more like social clubs where folks gather for a good time, or to feel good about themselves, and then they go their way until the next appointed gathering. Some of these mix a little good works in there, whether thinking it aids their salvation in some way or because they think that's something they should do. Most seem to have little interest in sharing the Gospel. This seems to be even more true today when sharing the Gospel isn't nearly as well received as it once was in America.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. We read here that the Lord shall descend with a shout. What is this shout? Also, there will be the voice of the archangel. What is the meaning of this? Then there is the trump of God. Often I've heard this trumpet sounding is our (the dead in Christ as well as those alive in Christ) call to come to Christ. If we consider First Corinthians 15:51-52 as referring to this same event, we see this all happening in the twinkling of an eye. Interesting that prior to discussing the Lord calling His people forth, we are given this important instruction in the previous chapter of First Thessalonians: 1 Thessalonians 3:12-13 12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. Why does it seem most often we overlook, ignore or simply fail to give close heed to this? Are these not key admonitions?
I don't think there are any Arminians here. Those denouncing Cavlinism also denounce Arminianism. The dominant viewpoint here is that the Elect are so based upon God's foreknowledge that they will accept Christ. This ties in with the dominant view that each person has a free will choice to accept or reject the Gospel; which God knows already who will and won't. As Paul pointed out, if someone is preaching the Gospel, that's a good thing!
We can relax now since I just read how the Rapture will be in September (possibly this one, but maybe another one) with the Great Tribulation to follow in March. So, as long as we are ready anytime during a September we should be good to go. Some guy says all the recent earthquakes and the blood moons leads him to believe this coming September is likely Rapture time but he's left the door open to perhaps be a September in another year. Why September I don't know. It must be true, I read it on Facebook! With so many different people trying to relate every current even to end times prophecy it's little wonder some have turned a deaf ear to end times matters. Studies which focus upon what Scripture says, without trying to fit daily news reports into the verses, have benefit, but the constant speculations and attempts to place every news item for the past several decades into those verses is taking things in unfruitful directions. I appreciate the careful study of Revelation itself.
Thank you for taking the time to put that together. I'm familiar with these, and the extrapolation made from this. As a previous post read it seemed as if perhaps there was something I may had missed somewhere with a verse more directly stating as certain fact when the trump sounds our names will be called to which we will hear and respond. I don't discount that it's probable we will each hear our names called; I was just wondering if I had somehow managed to miss a verse which emphatically says so.
Some of the greatest missionaries, evangelists and soul winners have been "Calvinists"; Spurgeon, Whitefield, Edwards, among the most well known. None of these men were lazy. They all acknowledged the "Great Commission", preached it, taught it, lived it. Most of the non-cal churches around here are very weak in the area of spreading the Gospel. At the same time, most of the cal churches are too. The thing is, the people in all these churches who aren't spreading the Gospel are not inactive because of the cal or non-cal teachings, it's because they don't want to. Ironically, in the larger region here, the soul winningest church is a cal Baptist church with a very active soul winning emphasis that has seen so many come to Christ they had to undertake a serious building campaign to keep up. Just like non-cals, not all cals fit into the same little box.
In regards to the trumpets sounding: Has anyone read any of the reports which claim many people in various parts of the earth have recently heard what they described as the sound of trumpets coming from the sky? Naturally there are some trying to connect this with Scripture and the coming of Christ. Any idea what it may be all these people scattered around the world actually heard?
I'm not sure if PM is working right or not. I did receive a notification when someone posted a new thread, I think it was Heartstrings but not sure, but that's the only notification I've received in a long time...and I'm not sure why I got that notification...and not sure why I don't get any others. What IFB area is a non-IFB posting in? I'm having a very difficult time following OB without the notifications.
Reverend is a common title in America, both through being given as a degree title and what some churches use as the official title of the pastor. While some fringe folks may seriously abuse the title, for the most part it's simply meant to convey a person who has attained a ministerial degree and/or is the pastor of a church and is used in the same manner as titles such as pastor, mr., doctor, etc. All of the Methodist pastors I've known, and known of, were titled reverend. Many Baptist pastors also hold that title, either through degree or due to that particular Baptist church preferring that title for their pastor. It's not uncommon to hear a pastor referred to as "the right reverend (insert name)". When the man who is our associate pastor now completed his ministry degree and was officially ordained, I joked with him that he could just sign his name "RRR" since his first name begins with an "R" and so does "right reverend". Like our senior pastor, he uses the title of pastor, but most often is referred to by his first name, as is our senior pastor. Our senior pastor's office door used to have a sign on it which read "Minister". He didn't care for that title either, preferring a sign which reads "Pastor".
Those unfamiliar with the topic, those on the fence, those unsure in their stance on such things, could gain much from a biblical discussion of the topic. One of the reasons so many are confused in this area, or find themselves holding a position they know little of, is because this topic is so often dismissed with words of anger, hate, ridicule and such things rather than dealt with through Scripture. In my own case, I was a Christian for many years before I ever heard of this debate among Christians. When I tried to find information about it what I encountered was mostly each side bashing the other. It took a long time to find those willing to biblically discuss the topic and to find material which addresses the issue from Scripture, not emotions. Similar happenings is part of the reason I've seen some Christians get caught up in Charismatic things. When they first hear of Charismatic things it's new to them. When they tried to learn about the matter they were confronted with very unchristian attitudes, lots of charges and attacks, but no actual point by point from Scripture to rightly address the issue.
This would be a good topic for a civil, biblical debate. Rather than the constant "you're wrong, I'm right" from each side, quickly followed by unchristian personal attacks, it would be good to have the two sides presented and examined in the light of Scripture. While this won't solve the matter, it would be far better than blanket statements, false accusations and simply telling folks something is so just because someone has said it rather than presenting the biblical evidence.