Standing Firm In Christ

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    Born in Africa, reborn in prison, dwell in Mississippi, live in Christ

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  1. If people are going to meet in a building, then certainly, finances will be needed for the maintenance of the building,... no doubt. Interestingly, all of the "giving" seen in the post-crucifixion texts clearly show the giving was for people who lacked, not for building maintenance. Of course, in the first century A.D., there were no electric bills, telephone bills, et.al.. My stand, as far as utilities for the building are concerned is, when a bill comes in, tell the congregation how much the bill is. Tell them to consider helping to meet the bill so that the amenities they are enjoying can continue. Assure them that you do not mean to take away from what is needed for their own families, but that, if they have something they can contribute, it will be most appreciated. Then, exercise faith that God will move in the hearts of His people. Sometimes, I believe that the monetary tithe doctrine shows, and often results in, a lack of faith. People don't have to trust God to move hearts if the know that certain people are already dedicated to yielding to the lie. That money is assured each month. It is then that the faith is seen in man,... not in God.
  2. While it is true that many who were tithing might give less, as you say, the monetary tithe requirement doctrine is indeed a lie. And we shouldn't perpetuate a lie just to garner finances. A church that has to lie to it's congregation in order to get them to give may as well close its doors. God is not in such a church. God's church is built upon the truths both written and spoken by the Apostles and the Prophets; neither of which taught a required monetary tithe. If monetary tithing were required in the Bible, I highly doubt that the Lord Jesus Christ would have allowed a thief (Judas) to be the Treasurer of his band of Disciples. Yet, John 12:3-4 tells us that Judas was indeed the one that carried the purse.
  3. It's in the Bible! by Ronald W Robey Whenever I mention the fact that I don't tithe, someone is sure to reply, "It's in the Bible!" And truthfully, tithing is indeed commanded in the Bible. I do not dispute that fact at all. However, we cannot focus on the fact that the command to tithe is in the Bible and ignore the commanded ELEMENTS of the tithe; the commanded GIVERS of the tithe; the commanded LOCATION of the tithe; the commanded RECIPIENTS of the tithe; the commanded YEAR of the tithe. A diligent study of the Bible will reveal to the reader many precious and wonderful truths that are ignored in so many mainstream religious institutions around the world today. There is no instruction in the entire Bible where God said that one's monetary income is to be tithed to either Tabernacle, Temple, Synagogue or Church. Even in the last place in the Bible where tithing is mentioned, (Hebrews 7:5-9) the author says that the tithes still belongs to the sons of Levi, and that the tithes are still "according to the Law. Since the author of Hebrews reveals that tithes are still "according to the Law, it is needful to go to the Books of the Law in order to learn what they say concerning God's holy tithe. The Law states that God's holy tithe is a) agricultural (Lev. 27:30-33 b) only required of the children of Israel (Lev. 27:34; Psa. 147:19-20) c) only to be observed by those living in the land of Canaan (Deut. 12:1,10-11) d) to be given to Levites, widows, orphans and foreigners; (Deut. 26:12) and even to be eaten by the one bringing the tithe. (Deuteronomy 14:22-26) e) to be given every third year (Deuteronomy 26:12) God NEVER amended the tithe command to say that a tenth of one's money is now required as tithe. He NEVER amended the tithe command to say tithes are to be given around the world. He NEVER amended the tithe to say that it is to be observed every week of the year and every year of your Christian life For that matter, God NEVER said that Christian's are required to tithe at all.. Pastor's have handled the word of God deceitfully in order to teach a tithe command that is totally foreign to the word of God, i.e.; a tithe of man's monetary income,... a tithe of unrighteous mammon. Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Attempting to obey the command to tithe, without obeying the other instructions connected to that command merits a curse, not favor. Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
  4. Since Melchizedek/Melchisedec was, by interpretation, "king of righteousness" and "king of peace", I believe Hebrews 7:3 is referring to these qualities. He didn't take a side and go to war with the five kings, nor with the four kings. He stayed out of the battle. He was indeed, a king of righteousness and peace.
  5. No need to feel sad for me. I find it sad that so many pastors often use historical facts when giving background of biblical events, yet are afraid to speak on the historic background of Abram's time. Though Melchizedek was Priest of the Most High God, he was still an ordinary king. Without mother, without father, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life simply speaks of there being no record of who his parents were, where he was born, or where he died. He wasn't a Christophany. He wasn't a Theophany. He wasn't an angel. He was a Canaanite king ruling over the city of Salem. And, for the record, I said nothing of present day tither's.
  6. "people didn't travel without food in those days. " Where's your "Biblical proof" for your claim?
  7. I have historical documentation that tells of the practice of giving war spoils to kings. That's proof enough. There's no biblical proof of a lot of things that are preached in our churches today. But many are documented in historical records.
  8. According to historical documentation, the tithing of war spoils to kings was practiced as early as 2200 BC,... a full 287 years prior to Abram meeting Melchizedek. I am more inclined to believe that Abram tithed due to custom than I am to beleive that he tithed due to faith, love and willingness. Biblical text reveals that Bera expected the people of Sodom returned to him. I see no reason to doubt that Melchizedek was in expectation of that which had been customary practice for at least two and three quarter centuries.
  9. I am not convinced that Abram's tithe was a "willing" tithe. It may not have been. The ancient custom at that time was that kings were to receive tithes of war spoils. If Abram was observing custom, then the tithe may not have been willing. Biblical text may reveal that Melchizedek went to the Valley of Shaveh expecting the customary tithe of spoils. We do see that Bera went with the expectation that Abram allow the people of Sodom to return to Sodom. So, Melchizedek may have journeyed from Salem to Shaveh with expectation of receiving something as well,... receiving the customary tithe that was given to kings by those who were victorious in battle. He clearly had heard of Abram's defeating the rebellious and wicked kings, for he brought refreshments (bread and wine) with him.
  10. Tithing was indeed in place long before Abram gave tithes to Melchizedek. It was practiced by the ancient Babylonians more than 275 years before Abram met Melchizedek in the Valley of Shaveh. (Valley of the kings) The ancient Babylonian's would give tithes of war spoils to kings every time they were victorious in battle. In 1906, the curator of the British Museum, Charles Pinches, acquired two clay tablets etched in cuneiform. The tablets were dated 2200 BC, and depicted ancient Babylonians, victorious in war, giving tithes from war spoils to their king. Abram, having lived previously in Ur of the Chaldees, a country in the region of ancient Babylonia, would have been well aware of the practice. Interestingly, when the children of Israel destroyed the enemies of God upon entering the land of Canaan, they were not told to tithe the spoils of war. They were told to destroy most of the spoils, but to take 100% of the silver and gold, and the vessels of brass and iron, to the Tabernacle.
  11. Linda and I watched the movie "Seven Deadly Words" (2013) on Pure Flix. Pastor Evan Bennett endeavors to heal a broken community. Two thumbs up.
  12. Per the request of one Shannon McWhorter on her FB page,  (she told me to drop you this hint) ... You have an amazing wife.

    Read the moth picture. (she didn't tell me to tell you this part)

    1. No Nicolaitans

      No Nicolaitans

      LOL! Thanks...yes, I do have an amazing wife. Unfortunately, I can't see the picture since I'm no longer on Facebook. I'll have to get her to show it to me. Thanks brother!

    2. Standing Firm In Christ

      Standing Firm In Christ

      It's now just the picture you need to see.  It's the resulting conversation.  LoL

  13. Thus far, my books have been focused on God's holy tithe. I do have another that I will be publishing in the near future on poetry and songs that I have written over the last four decades. promotion of my books has been through readers of my blog and Facebook, Twitter, and word of mouth.
  14. I am also from Mississippi. (Cleveland). I, too, have a passion for writing. I have published three of my books through createspace.com . They are in association with Amazon.com, and the books are available in other countries. Royalties are deposited directly in my bank account. .35¢ per book. Amazon just deposited $20 in my account from sales last month.