Standing Firm In Christ

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  • Bio Born in Africa, reborn in prison, dwell in Mississippi, live in Christ

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  1. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    Not since 1988.  LoL   However, there are thousands upon thousands who do get 'ripped off' by their pastors each year.     The sad thing is, so many because of not knowing what God's Word says about His holy tithe, gladly accept the counterfeit that is passed to them.
  2. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    For a pastor to convince me that I am required to tithe my monetary income, that pastor will need to provide Scriptural proof that it is required.   In 27 years of challenging pastors to produce Scripture commanding or instructing the monetary tithe, none have provided said Scripture.    
  3. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    Chapter 1 of my book, "Will A Man Rob God?: Exposing a Serious Error Taught in the Modern Church"...   Conditioned to Believe a Lie Back in the 1970’s, I worked as an assistant animal trainer with a circus that traveled up and down the East Coast. It always amazed me to watch the elephants swaying back and forth under the sideshow tent. What was to prevent them from running out of the tent and trampling the crowds out on the midway? It was nothing more than a chain attached on one end to one of the elephant’s back legs and on the other end to a stake in the ground. The adult elephants wore the same size chain as the young baby elephants and could have pulled the stakes out of the ground with ease. And yet, in my four years of working with the circus, not one of the adult elephants ever tried to escape the chain that could have easily been snapped should they give the slightest pull. Why did they not try to escape, you may ask? Because they were conditioned to believe they could not escape… brainwashed, if you will into believing that the chain that bound their feet was stronger than they were. There is a principle that says, "If you tell a lie often enough, people will begin to believe it to be true". The elephant and his chain is a perfect example of that principle. The chain is put on an elephant when it is still very young. As a youth, the elephant is not as docile as the adult. It will often pull on the chain in an attempt to free itself, yet it is not quite strong enough to pull the stake out of the ground or to break the chain. Over a period of time, and after many failed attempts to free itself, the elephant resigns itself to bondage because he gives in to the thought that no matter what, he cannot free himself from that chain. And so, though he may grow from an infant of one hundred-sixty-nine pounds to an adult of six tons, he believes that he can never be free from that chain. So it is with many who have been taught the monetary tithe requirement doctrine for years and years. They have been told the lie long enough that, like the elephant and his chain, they have been conditioned to believe that tithing of their money is a mandatory requirement handed down to the Church by God Himself. Many have heard the lie so often, that whenever it crosses their minds, (often during seasons of financial distress) they believe the Holy Spirit is telling them that they must tithe their money to the Church. And yet, if the Christian would only pick up his or her Bible and study all instances of tithing in it, that Christian would find that God never authorized the Church to receive a monetary tithe from her members. The monetary tithe is a doctrine that was invented long after the last book of the Holy Bible was penned. The monetary tithe doctrine is an invention of man, not ordained or authorized by God at all. The only Scriptural commands concerning tithing are found in the dispensation of the Mosaic Law. Those commands all show that the tithes that God required were agricultural in nature; i.e., crops, flocks and herds. (see Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 12:17; Deuteronomy 14:22-29; Deuteronomy 26:12; 2 Chronicles 31:5-6, 12; Malachi 3:7-11, Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42) The only time in Scripture that God demanded tithes was during the dispensation of the Mosaic Law, and then it was only required of the children of Israel. No other nation was ever commanded by God to tithe in His Word. (see Leviticus 27:34; Numbers 18:24,26,28; Nehemiah 10:37-38; Psalms 147:19-20; Hebrews 7:5-8 ) Pastors today have no Scriptural justification for preaching their flock must tithe their money to the Church. God never authorized such a doctrine in His Word. Pastors need to stick with what the Word of God says instead of teaching what it does not say. Many pastors teach the monetary tithe doctrine out of pure ignorance of what the Word of God actually says concerning tithing. They were, like their congregations, taught that God requires a tithe from the moment they were saved. They were conditioned to believe, and later preach, a lie. Still other pastors know the truth about tithing, but because of a deceitful heart, they preach the lie out of greed and for self-gratification. Saints, I encourage you to be as the Berean's in Paul's day. Don't just accept the words being preached in the pulpit. Don't just accept the lie that you have heard ever since you was a babe in Christ. Search the Scriptures daily to see if what your pastor is teaching or preaching, what you have been taught, is so. Compare the sermon with what the Word of God says. God's Word is the only sound doctrine that is nourishment for your soul.
  4. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

     And yet, Babylonian and Assyrian history records that tithes were indeed expected to be given to kings centuries before Abram was born and still expected centuries after Abraham died.  Seems to me that the expected war spoil tithes would have also been practiced during Abram's life. Since Abram came from Ur of the Chaldees, a country in the Babylonian reagion, it would be safe to say that Abram would have been well aware of this expectation of war spoil tithes.   Contrary to opinion, Abram did NOT tithe his own money in the Genesis 14:16-20 account.  Abram tithed war spoils,... spoils he would not even claim as his own property. A tithe is NOT "just 10% of anything".  circa 1410 BC, God said His holy tithe was to be agricultural and that man could not do what seemed right in his own eyes.  In AD 66, God's holy tithe was still agricultural.God said His tithe was to be agricultural.  He never amended it to be 10% of anything". Leviticus 27:30-33 proves beyond a shadow of doubt that  "all" the tithe of the land was agricultural in its content.  Pro-tithe teachers have not produced a single verse from the Word of God where God's commanded tithe to His Tabernacle or to His Temple was in the form of money.
  5. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    R B Oullette asks his Staff for the names of the best givers.  He then calls on those givers to testify of the Lord's goodness whenever he wants to drun up finances.   Totally wrong.
  6. Heads or Tails?

    The .999oz. "Sunshine Silver Bar"    sorry if the picture is not too clear, not the best lighting, nor the best angle...
  7. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    Pastors have no right to put guilt trips on snyone for not tithing. It is not a matter of semantics at all.  It is a matter of adhering to what the Word of God says concerning God's holy tithe. Just as calling a bicycle a Harley Davidson doesn't make it a Harley Davidson, so also, telling people that God's holy tithe is monetary doesn't make it so. God defined in His Word what His holy tithe was to consist of, who was required to tithe, where the tithe was to be observed, when the tithe was to be observed, and to whom the tithe was to be given.  The last place it is mentioned in the Bible, it is still to be given to the sons of Levi, and is still to be agricultural.  .  Preachers have no right to teach others that it is something other than what God said it was to be, who was required to tithe, where they were to tithe, when they were to tithe, and to whom they were to tithe to. The monetary tithe requirement doctrine is totally foreign to the Word of God. Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said, "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29      
  8. Heads or Tails?

    Yes, that is a Silver  Walking Dollar.  I just received one in the mail yesterday, along with 17 other silver coins,... As a gift.   the coins I received included: 10 silver dimesm mint caondition 5 silver buffalo nickels, mint condition Silver Canadian $5 Piece, mint condition 2 Silver Dollars, mint condition. Also included with the coins was a 1oz. .999 Sunshine Silver Bar. In God We Trust would be an awesome outward symbol,... if the wearer truly did trust in God.
  9. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    One has to wonder also, if the Pastor is wrong about this obvious doctrine, what else is he teaching that is misleading the flock?   A pastor who will not receive truth concerning tithing, should be suspect, in my opinion.  If they will not receive this truth, is it because of greed?  Is their heart desiring filthy lucre?  Is it pride?  Cannot humble themselves to the point that they are willing to admit to their congregations that they have been teaching a wrong doctrine, that they have wrongfully been taking money that God never authorized them to take?     Either reason shows a root of sin in their lives.
  10. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    I'd have to say it is YOUR interpretation that is both ludicrous and private.   The Biblical text reveals Abram promised God that he would not claim any of the spoils as his own.  Yet, your interpretation leaves the Biblical text and makes him to be a liar, keeping spoils as his own property.  The Biblical text reveals that it was spoils that Abram gave to Melchizedek.  Yet, your interpretation leaves the Biblical text and espouses the theory that Abram tithed items other than war spoils as well.    No, I never said, nor did I infer, that Abram was a thief or a hypocrite.  You are trying to manipulate my words just as you are manipulating the Biblical text.     It isn't mentioned that Abram tithed his own property, yet you are putting your opinion above the veracity of Scripture.  Historical facts of the customs do not take away from the Biblical account, nor do they add to the account.  They explain what was happening in history at that time.  Pastors use history quite often to show background surrounding a Biblical event.  Nothing wrong with it at all.    
  11. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    Nothing ludicrous about my stance at all.   Abram promised God that he would not take any of the spoils to himself.  This means they did not become his property.   so, yes, Abram did tithe the property of others. History records the tithing of war spoils both long before, during, and long after Abram's life was over; and that by the people of the country Abram came from,... Babylonia.  So, not a surprise that he would tithe the war spoils to a king.  It was a custom to do so.  It is possible that Melchizedek went out to meet Abram for that very reason,... to receive the customary tithe of spoils.   Melchizedek must have been aware of the victory Abram had obtained, for he brought refreshments with him to meet Abram.  Surely, after traveling more than 150 miles from his home, battling and defeating the wicked kings, Abram and his men were famished. Abram did not say he had eaten any of the spoils, only that the men in his command had eaten some.  Had Abram partook of any of the spoils, he would have broken his promise to God that he would not take any as his own. So, again, yes,... Abram tithed the property of others.   Under the Mosaic Law, tithes were to come from one's own agricultural produce and livestock.  However, Abram was not under the Mosaic Law.  He was living in a land where kings were to receive war spoil tithes. "And he gave him tithes of all...".  What did the author mean by all?  Verse 16 holds the answer.  Abram brought back the goods that had been stolen.  Context shows that the "all" in verse 20 was the "goods" in verse 16.   I am not twisting Scripture at all.  Rather, I am allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture.  I do see twisting in your post though.
  12. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    Not misunderstanding you at all.  You said,  to which I explained that tithing should not be in the Church.   Monetary tithing was not taught by the Apostles.  Nor was it taught by the Christian churches until late-nineteenth century.  In 1932, monetary tithing was still not taught in the Middle Tennessee Baptist denomination.  That year, John Harvey Grime, a MTB minister, said of monetary tithing, "Should a Baptist Church ever start teaching it, they will cease being Baptist." Abram did tithe before the Law.  But that does not mean we should tithe today.  Abraham also married his sister.  Should we marry our sister too?  Abram also had a child by another woman while married to his sister.  Abram also gave his wife to another man,  do we imitate all these too?  After all, they all took place before the Law, did they not?   There are bills associated with the meeting place of any religious organization, no doubt.  However, that does not mean people have to tithe in order to meet those needs.  The first church had needs.  Yet, not once is it recorded in God's Word that the  Body of Believers had to tithe to meet those needs.  Instead, people gave what they purposed to give.  And the needs were met. There is nothing wrong with a person giving 10% of their money if they choose to do that without being manipulated by deceitful sermons that guilt them, belittle them, or scare them into giving that ten percent.  However, it has been my experience over the last half century, that guilt, intimidation,  and fear play a major role in why people do give 10% of their money to the church.  Guilt, intimidation and fear instilled through preachers abusing Malachi 3:8-10 and other passages in our precious Bible.   One example of manipulation is when Robert Morris told his congregation that if they don't tithe, they open the door for demons to enter their life.  Who wants to open doors for demons, right?  Better get out that checkbook.  Another example is When Perry stone used intimidation by telling members of his congregation that if they didn't tithe they were stupid and thieves. Earlier, I put up a meme of a bulletin board with the names of many leaders who use guilt and fear to coerce people into giving ten percent of their money to the Church they pastor.  I could name many more that use the same types of manipulation.   Abram's tithe was not from his own personal property.  Nor was it from his own household income.  
  13. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    A better bulletin board...
  14. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    The Biblical definition is "a tenth; a tenth part".     Tithing should not be in the Christian Church.  God did not think tithing was necessary, else he would have told us so in the Word.  And if God did not think it necessary to practice monetary tithing, who are we to say it should be practiced?
  15. The Tithe, for the Church or not?

    Actually, it was 20%.  "A fifth part".  A fifth part is 20% of a whole number.   If they wanted a bushel of barley back, they paid the assessed value of that bushel plus an additional 20% of the assessed value.   The crop tithe, whether in part or in whole, was redeemable.  However, verse 33 shows the animal tithe could not be redeemed.