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Alimantado

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    Alimantado got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in A simple request   
    There are plenty of rules like that here in UK. For example, if you want to drive a car it has to meet structural requirements and be tested annually by authorised garages--you can't just cobble together anything and take it on the roads. If you build a house there are materials you're not allowed to use, like asbestos. If a hospital wants to offer surgery its surgeons have to be qualified--they can't just hire someone who likes scalpels and blood. Want to keep a brown bear at home as a pet? Nope.
    There are rules in UK which I think are over-regulation but I think the gas one is reasonable because of the higher risk of injuring/killing neighbours (compared to electrical and plumbing, for which there aren't equivalent restrictions). Every year there are reports of houses blown up in gas explosions, though from what I recall the last few haven't taken anybody out.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Alimantado got a reaction from DaveW in A Church Closes Then Sold Who Gets The Money?   
    Necropost of the year I think! And bonus points for replying to yourself. ;)
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    Alimantado got a reaction from Salyan in Requirements for Pastors   
    At least pastors are allowed unruly pets.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from Salyan in Requirements for Pastors   
    At least pastors are allowed unruly pets.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from Salyan in Requirements for Pastors   
    At least pastors are allowed unruly pets.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from swathdiver in Question about looking for a local church...   
    Ok, so in other words the Bible gives us the model of how churches ought to be planted by other legitimate NT churches, but if it ends up because of history or necessity that a church hasn't quite followed that model then it doesn't necessarily make it illegitimate and therefore the seeker should concern themselves with what said church is doing now. Is that fair?
    Or should concern themselves 'first and foremost' might be more accurate a summary...
    (just added)
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    Alimantado reacted to DaveW in Question about looking for a local church...   
    Wr have a lady at our church currently who many years ago was saved in a congregational church. Then some time later, the pastor there anniunced to the church that he had been doing some serious study and realised that they were not bibical for many reasons - he spent some time talking with a local baptist pastor, and this church decided that about half of them would fo for a special meeting at the Baptist church and get baptised properly, then they began a new church.  The other half stayed at the old Congregational church, having rejected the Pastor's new path.
    By studying his Binle he came to the conclusion that they needed to be baptised with proper authority and sought out someone who he belived had that authority.
    But the reason they "started a new church" was because there were some who would not follow this path, and he did not feel it was right to force them out considering it was his change, not theirs.
    I personally think the argument over the history of it is a pointless argument - the process a church should use today is clear in the Bible: churches are started under proper authority, and that authority rests in the church sending the man.
    There are some who say that you must be able to prove full lineage, but I have never met any man who can do so - it becomes an intellectual argument only, and therefore nigh on useless..... words to no profit, one might say.
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    Alimantado reacted to Jordan Kurecki in Question about looking for a local church...   
    Lineage is not what we look at to determine whether or not something is a New Testament Church, but it's doctrines and practices are.
    I had a discussion of this type with a Baptist Brider type years ago, like has been said already, we really can't trace any of our churches back to the time of Christ.
    Are you sure Goforth was speaking about Korea? because he was a missionary in China as far as I know.
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    Alimantado reacted to HappyChristian in Question about looking for a local church...   
    I do agree that churches may start out wrong and right themselves. There have been churches that began in the Southern Baptist Convention and then pulled out to become Independent. We know a man who was assistant pastor at a pentecostal church. Both he and the pastor, through study and prayer, realized the error of the teachings and became Baptist (the church did, too). He is now, after pastoring for many years, an evangelist). 
    When people sincerely seek the Lord, He will right errors.
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    Alimantado reacted to Salyan in Question about looking for a local church...   
    I agree with the point on churches that start out 'wrong', or adopt wrong practices, can become 'good' again. The past history of a church is less important than where it currently stands (although that history might give some good context - a long-standing sympathy with Reformed doctrine, over-leniency with church membership, etc.)  I disagree with the idea of a pastor needing to have more than one child - but I'll take that to another thread. ;)
    Last night, I was reading the account from Jonathan Goforth on the revival in Korea in the early 1900's. He told of an incident in Korea where a rural man visited a city during the revival, heard the Gospel preaching and obtained a Bible. He took that Bible back to the county with him, and read it to his friends, until about 50 of these rural people believed (the story doesn't say when exactly the first man got saved). They understood from the Scriptures that they should be baptized, and part of a church body, but they weren't sure how to go about it (seeing as there was no missionary, pastor, or even original evangelist). After reading and praying extensively, they came to the conclusion that they should all go home and have a bath, and then meet back and start a church. :D 
    That method of church planting is not one we would plan to follow, and most of our churches would probably rebaptize those folks 'in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit' if they came to their fellowship, but I hardly think God was displeased with the honest attempt of these folk to obey the Scripture they best they knew how.
     
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    Alimantado reacted to DaveW in Question about looking for a local church...   
    No no - not a pointless question - a pointless argument.
    And my answer to the question is that the more important thing, rather than the history of the church is where that church is right now.
    A church could have a great history (as far as can be established), but may very possibly be right out in left field doctrinally.
    Another church could have a "Shady past" (if you will), but might now be solid in doctrine.
    The choice is obvious.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from DaveW in Starting a church   
    That is why I asked the  question I did earlier. If a church can only be a church when started by another NT church then that suggests--although one might disagree--that you could have a church that's totally sound in belief, teachings and practice but still be illegitimate. So if a person seeking a new church can't tell the difference between a legitimate NT church and an illegitimate one by what a church is doing then does it become necessary when seeking a church to research their origins? And it that's so then how far back?
    DaveW has said he doesn't want that question answered on this thread in case it distracts so here's a new thread for that question.
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    Alimantado reacted to swathdiver in Question about looking for a local church...   
    A church can start out wrong and become a New Testament Church.  As a practical matter, the candidate should look at the history and the qualifications of the sending church, but what really matters is if that church today is of the kind that Christ started during his earthly ministry.
    Consider this.  A NT church plants another in a nearby town.  However, the pastor they chose has only one child.  After several years the pastor has multiple children.  So when the new church was planted it did not have a qualified pastor but in time he became qualified and the church is now scriptural.
    A well established NT Church that fell away with regards to music makes repentance and once again honors the Lord with scriptural music.  
    I believe an historical example might be Charles Chiniquy and his flock.  He was a Catholic Priest that saw the error of his ways and brought his entire congregation out of Popery and into what I believe then became a NT Church.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from swathdiver in Baptism and church membership?   
    The context of this bit of the discussion is this statement by you, SFIC:
    The teaching you disagree with speaks of an "organised assembly". So would you agree with the teaching if it said this instead:
    "A church is an organized assembly of scripturally baptized believers and non-baptised believers, called out to do the Lord's work according to the New Testament."
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    Alimantado got a reaction from HappyChristian in The Biblical Tithe: Cash or Crops?   
    Gotta say that's a neat way to direct condescending remarks at people and sidestep censure. No if someone told me my opinions were silly/stupid/idiotic or whatever, I'd take that as them calling me silly/stupid/idiotic. Perhaps I shouldn't admit that--now folk know how to get at me. ;-)
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    Alimantado reacted to TheSword in Christian and Depression   
    In addition to what DaveW said and along the lines of Swathdiver, depression can come in different forms. DaveW covered the emotional form in which events in our lives affect our emotional health. Swath talked about an environmental form in which the things we do to or put in our bodies can have a profound effect. I would like to add a physical or hormonal form in which our bodies fail to function properly. A great example of this is post-partum depression, which my wife has been through a couple times. Sometimes it's not related to any event in our lives other than the fact that in our sin-cursed world, the body breaks down and doesn't always work correctly. Just as our pancreas can stop producing insulin and cause diabetes or your kidney may stop filtering your blood properly and result in kidney failure, your thyroid or pituitary glands can stop producing the right amount of hormones and wreak all kinds of havoc. Whether we like to admit it or not, this fallen vessel we call a body functions or fails without or consent and has a profound impact on how our soul is able to interact with the physical creation.
    There are many potential causes for true depression, and the cause determines the treatment. Sometimes it is steady prayer and engagement with friends, family, or counselors and sometimes it's medication to get your body functioning the way it should. While I believe it can be sinful to keep yourself in a depressed state by focusing on the negatives in life and a refusal to find joy in Christ, true clinical depression is an ailment like any other illness. Making yourself (or someone else) feel bad about it will only make it worse. Acknowledging the problem and seeking the cause to determine the right solution is the first step to recovery.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in Homestead   
    Perhaps Bro Matt should start a crypto-currency: OBCoin.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from swathdiver in Are There Any Catholics On Here?   
    If you pull that off, you may as well try for Mormon Church membership too, hey even Scientology.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from Invicta in Are There Any Catholics On Here?   
    Ok, so going back to what I said earlier then:
    "And as for the Catholic church you attend, at some point you went through a fairly lengthy process of becoming a member that involved signing up to a load of doctrines, yes?"
    You addressed this question by saying you weren't a convert, but can we now say that yes you did go through a process of learning and then professing belief in various creeds/doctrinal statements? And that your being confirmed as a member was conditional on professing those beliefs? Now you say you don't know whether the chief priest or whatever would question your membership of the church if he knew you've since ditched some of those beliefs that were a condition of your being confirmed as a member. I suggest maybe he would.
    As for the Baptist church you go to, it sounds like folk 'self certify' and then they ask as few questions as possible. But I do wonder, if I asked to joined that church and I did as you did--told them that Jesus was my Lord and Saviour and made a public profession of it--and then it came out later, let's say over a cup of coffee with Pastor Steve, that when I'd said 'Jesus' I'd been referring to a giraffe at London zoo called 'Jesus', whether that would cause Pastor Steve to question my being a member of that church. And if the answer to that is yes, I wonder if other things, like being a member of a second church with very different doctrines, would be cause for concern in Steve's mind.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from Invicta in Are There Any Catholics On Here?   
    Ok, so going back to what I said earlier then:
    "And as for the Catholic church you attend, at some point you went through a fairly lengthy process of becoming a member that involved signing up to a load of doctrines, yes?"
    You addressed this question by saying you weren't a convert, but can we now say that yes you did go through a process of learning and then professing belief in various creeds/doctrinal statements? And that your being confirmed as a member was conditional on professing those beliefs? Now you say you don't know whether the chief priest or whatever would question your membership of the church if he knew you've since ditched some of those beliefs that were a condition of your being confirmed as a member. I suggest maybe he would.
    As for the Baptist church you go to, it sounds like folk 'self certify' and then they ask as few questions as possible. But I do wonder, if I asked to joined that church and I did as you did--told them that Jesus was my Lord and Saviour and made a public profession of it--and then it came out later, let's say over a cup of coffee with Pastor Steve, that when I'd said 'Jesus' I'd been referring to a giraffe at London zoo called 'Jesus', whether that would cause Pastor Steve to question my being a member of that church. And if the answer to that is yes, I wonder if other things, like being a member of a second church with very different doctrines, would be cause for concern in Steve's mind.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in Avast or Avira   
    Rosie, those noises could easily be explained by website adverts that you didn't notice were playing--happens to me all the time. But even so, the fact that some guy got onto your computer once makes me think you really ought to follow Dave's advice: save your files and go for a complete reinstall of Windows. The problem is that if you just try to fix your current installation, you'll never know with certainty that he's gone. It's very hard for security software to detect when a computer is being illegitimately accessed and/or controlled remotely, unfortunately. And not seeing him anymore will not in of itself be a guarantee. For example, he could choose to install a key logger, allowing him to know everything you type--including password changes--and then he could choose to go quiet and just observe your activities, waiting for you to log into your online email or some other important account. Having accessed your email, he could then trawl your sent items, looking for any personal information you've sent others in the past, such as your home address.
    The IP thing is nonsense, as others have said. A fresh installation is guaranteed to work, and if you hire a professional it will probably be cheaper for them to do that then clean up your existing installation.
    Just my view...I'm not an IT expert.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in windows 10   
    I switched from NOD32 to Bitdefender when the latter started to consistently top the industry tests and the former went downhill. They used to have a Linux version too, which was nice.
    Yeah, although trying to ensure privacy on Windows 10 might be a forlorn hope, if you do adjust the settings like you've done, make sure you review them after significant updates. Microsoft routinely uses updates to reinstall software you've uninstalled and change settings back to defaults. That's been my experience anyway.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from wretched in The Beginning ot the New Testament Chruch.   
    While I don't understand everything that's being talked about here, it's obvious to me that Alan and InSeasonOut are putting their best efforts into keeping the discussion both on track and charitable in tone and I really appreciate that.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from wretched in The Beginning ot the New Testament Chruch.   
    While I don't understand everything that's being talked about here, it's obvious to me that Alan and InSeasonOut are putting their best efforts into keeping the discussion both on track and charitable in tone and I really appreciate that.
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    Alimantado got a reaction from wretched in The Beginning ot the New Testament Chruch.   
    While I don't understand everything that's being talked about here, it's obvious to me that Alan and InSeasonOut are putting their best efforts into keeping the discussion both on track and charitable in tone and I really appreciate that.
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