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  • Bio Member of FIEC churches since 1957 - the year of my conversion & baptism.
    Married to Ann.
    FIEC is the UK equivalent of IFB, with a doctrinal basis that insists onfundamentals, but allows divergence on other matters.

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  1. Covenanter added a post in a topic R. C. Sproul Jr.   

    Acts 28:
    22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
    23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him intohis lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out ofthe prophets, from morning till evening.
    24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
    25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
    26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
    27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
    28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
    29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
  2. Covenanter added a post in a topic Debate - Prophecy in Daniel 9   

    Just to refresh our memories:
    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
     
    Bro Scott, Your extreme grammatical analysis makes it difficult to appreciate what you are actually trying to say.
     
    You complain about me rearranging the words of Scripture, but we need to understand what the Scripture is saying before we interpret. Interpreting is seeking to understand & explain the Scripture, so needs additional words or in this case, emphasis of the actual words. The Scripture is saying ”Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city...” However many words you write, you cannot change that statement. Seventy weeks (of years) corresponding to the seventy years of exile just being completed. Inserting a gap of thousands of years or hundreds of “weeks” denies the actual words of the prophecy.
     
    I have repeatedly referred to the teaching of Jesus & his Apostles, & the fulfilment of the 70 weeks prophecy as recorded in Scripture, ending about 3 years after Calvary. By contrast, you have insisted on staying in the OT, quoting the land prophecies & promises. We have the inspired record of the fulfilment of the prophecy in the NT Scriptures, so should study the related NT Scriptures.
     
    We should look at verse 24 being fulfilled by the saving work of the Lord Jesus. Obviously he considered he had finished the work the Father had given him. John 17:4 John 19:30
    He explained to his disciples:
    Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
     
    Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
     
    As Gabriel prophesied:
    Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
     
    Those 70 weeks contrast with the 70 years of exile, the people would be in their homeland for seven times the period of the exile, & by the end of that period Messiah would have come & completed his prophesied saving work.
     
    I can't think why you want to deny the simple words of Scripture with your elaborate scheme of distant future interpretation. You deny quoting Scofield, (I agree you haven't referred to him) but you cannot deny his influence on the line of interpretation you follow. His one-volume commentary influenced fundamentalist thinking in the Bible colleges & helped popularise dispensationalism in the last century.
     
    As we agree that week 69 brings us to the baptism of Jesus & his earthly ministry, we should expect the key events of the other verses to take place during the following 7 years - week 70. Scripture records these prophesied events as occurring during that final week, while consequential events take place after the completion of the seventy weeks.
     
    Verse 25 prophesies the rebuilding, as recorded by Ezra & Nehemiah & the troublous times experienced as recorded by Esther. We agree that the total of 69 weeks takes us to the baptism of Jesus.
     
    Verse 26 speaks of events after the 69 weeks, but not necessarily during the 70th week. We know that Messiah was cut off after about 3 1/2 years of ministry, or half a week - 3 1/2 years of the "week" immediately following his baptism. He was cut off, not for himself, but to redeem his people (many), and to ratify the new covenant/testament in his blood. Mat. 26:36-28 Those who would reject the saving new covenant would suffer the consequences prophesied – the city & sanctuary would be destroyed.
     
    Verse 27 speaks of events during “one week” which obviously is the seventieth week. The 70th week naturally immediately follows the 69th week, so runs from the baptism of Jesus, through his death, resurrection & ascension in the middle of the seven years until 3 1/2 years after his saving work at Calvary & his ascension to David's throne.
     
    These events are recorded in Scripture:
    And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
    Jesus inaugurated the new covenant in his own blood at the last supper, the new covenant fulfilling & ratifying the everlasting covenant relationship of God with his people. We commemorate the new covenant as we drink the 'wine' at every communion service.
    As the second half of the 70th week began, Peter assured the Jews :
    Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Acts 3:25
    Paul wrote to the Romans:
    Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers Rom. 15:8
    The promises made unto the fathers were covenant promises, and were confirmed by Jesus' personal ministry & the Apostolic Gospel.
    Many thousands of Jews responded to the Gospel – 3,000 at Pentecost; 5,000 after the healing of the lame man at the temple gate; that number was soon multiplied greatly
    and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:7
    The Gospel was progressing so rapidly through Israel that the Jewish leaders became desperate to stop the progress. Imprisonment, beatings & stoning of believers in Lord Jesus Christ followed.
    Certainly Messiah was confirming the covenant with many through the Apostolic Gospel – the prophesied new covenant ratified by his own blood as the covenant surety.
    Peter in his first letter takes up the Sinai covenant dependent on obedience of the Israelites ( Exo. 19:5-6 ) and shows it to be fulfilled in Christian believers. 1 Peter 2:9. The obedience of Christ secures the covenant promises. Everlasting covenants can only be fulfilled through Christ.
    Note that Peter says in his letter what he preached in Jerusalem:
    Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
    25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
     
    1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
    10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
    11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
    12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
     
    There is absolutely no suggestion of a future dispensation when the covenant promises would apply. Take them NOW by repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, or
    every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
    But take heart:
    Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
     
    and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
    At Calvary Jesus shouted out, “It is finished!” All the sacrifices & oblations of the Law pointed forward to the one perfect sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus would:
    finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
    in the midst of week 70 as prophesied. The temple veil was rent from top to bottom to show the way into the holiest place was open. Heb. 9:1-15
     
    and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
    The sacrifices that continued to be offered in the temple were the sacrifices of the wicked – an abomination. Prov. 15:8 They were offered in defiance of the sacrifice of Christ. They were sacrifices that can never take away sins. Heb. 10:11 Isaiah 1:10-20 warns against such sacrifices offered by an earlier generation before the 70 years exile & the destruction of Jerusalem & Solomon's temple.
    Jesus warned the Scribes & Pharises, hypocrites, the leaders in Jerusalem:
    Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
     
    even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
    The wrath of God against the people of Israel who rejected their Messiah was limited to this generation. e.g. Mat. 12:41-42 Mat. 23:36 Mat. 24:34 Luke 11:50-51 1 Thes. 2:14-16 They had the testimony of Moses & the prophets, Luke 16:31 John 5:44-47 That wrath would be complete:
    Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thes. 2:16
    That determined was described in verse 26
    the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
     
    So we see the wonderful blessings of verse 24 realised through Jesus' saving work at Calvary, covenant blessings promised to the Patriarchs realised in time by Abraham's Seed, & received by faith in Jesus as Lord & Saviour. The consequences of rejecting the Messiah, Jesus Christ, are also prophesied.
     
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    To answer your other points:
     
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    The big problem with your interpretation is the change of emphasis from Messiah to antichrist, leaving Daniel's people with only destruction & desolation ahead of them, rather than becoming the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers.
    This assessment of my position reveals your misunderstanding of my position.  My position does not change the emphasis “from Messiah to antichrist.”  Rather, my position acknowledges the work that both the Messiah and the antichrist will perform, as revealed by this Holy Spirit inspired passage.  Furthermore, my position does not end the 70th “week” with the antichrist in power and with Daniel’s people, the children of Israel, in destruction and desolation.  Rather, my position ends the 70th “week” with the fulfillment of the six-fold purpose-result statements of Daniel 9:24, wherein all of the children of Israel who are alive at that time shall place heart-faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior and shall be saved (in unity with Romans 11:25-27), wherein all of the children of Israel who are alive at that time shall experience such a transformation of heart that they will never again commit transgression or sins, but shall conduct themselves in perfect righteousness with the Lord (in unity with Isaiah 1:26; Jeremiah 3:17; 31:33; 32:39-40;Ezekiel 36:26-27; 37:23-24), wherein all of the children of Israel that are alive at that time shall be fully reconciled unto the Lord their God as a nation and shall enter into an enjoyment of all the New Covenant promises in every detail, including all of the land blessings (in unity with Jeremiah 31:31-40; 32:37-42; Ezekiel 36:21-38; 37:19-28), and wherein the Lord Jesus Christ shall administrate His kingship ministry bodily upon the earth from Jerusalem as King of kings and Lord of lords over the all the nations of the world (in unity with Revelation 19:11 – 20:4).  It does not at all appear to me that my position concludes and climaxes with an emphasis upon the antichrist.  Rather, it appears to me that my position concludes and climaxes with an emphasis upon the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
     
    I'm glad I have misunderstood your position – you have taken the opportunity to explain more clearly, in a single paragraph.
     
    Please note that all those OT prophecies concerning the complete restoration of Israel are stated by Peter to be actually directed towards believers in Jesus - “you” - 1 Peter 1:10-12 to which Hebrews agrees Heb. 11:39-40 These are experienced by faith in Christ now, in our mortal life, but experienced to perfection in the NH&NE where the promised land will truly & perfectly be experienced. There is no future temporary millennium taught in the Gospels nor the Epistles, and there is no salvation for those who reject the Messiah. When he comes again it will be too late -
    (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
    The Gospel is for all, Jew & Gentile now, in this present age of grace. It's not a promise for the remnant of a future generation of Israelites after Jesus returns, God having abandoned many generations of his chosen people between his first & second comings.
     
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    I'll let Zacharias have the last word:
    67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. 76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, 78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, 79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. Luke 1(emboldening and underlining added by Pastor Scott Markle)
    So then, at the time of the Lord Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection, did the Lord God fulfill His holy covenant concerning the children of Israel, which He made with Abraham, such that they were delivered out of the hand of their enemies and all that hated them?  Are the children of Israel now serving the Lord their God “without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him,” all the days of their lives?  It appears to me that we must still be looking to the future for the fulfillment of these New Covenant promises unto the children of Israel as a national people group (as perJeremiah 31:31-40; 32:37-42; Ezekiel 36:21-38; 37:19-28).
    We should look to Scripture for the answer, not to rhetoric.
     
    John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
     
    Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
    29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
    31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
    32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
    35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
    37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
    38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
     
    The answer of Scripture is a resounding “YES!”
     
    Sadly those calling themselves “Israel” but who reject the Lord Jesus Christ are NOT “now serving the Lord their God “without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him,” all the days of their lives?“
    They are NOT serving the Lord their God at all. They have good reason to live in fear. As Hebrews warns:
     
    Heb. 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
     
     
     
  3. Covenanter added a post in a topic Comment On Current Debate   

    My point about English grammar concerned King Edward VI Grammar School, founded in 1553, not university.
    English grammar was not a particular concern for a science degree. Precision of language & clarity of thought were primary concerns. And, of course, facts. 
     
     
     
  4. Covenanter added a topic in Prayer Requests   

    Holiday Bible Clubs
    Cranford Baptist Church is holding its Holiday Bible Club this week, with the help of a team from Carey Baptist Church 25 miles away. 
    Last week we distributed 2,000 invitations, & today 54 youngsters came for Bible stories, songs, quizzes & games. About 15 would be already known to the church. It was a mix of many races & religions.
    I'm not taking an active part, but was there to talk to parents who stayed to listen - & I think the contact with the parents is an important part of the outreach. If they are interested, they & the children will come after the week is ended. 
    Many churches are holding such activities, so general prayer is welcomed.
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  5. Covenanter added a post in a topic The 7th Shemita is here   


    Why ??? Because I believe the teaching of Jesus & his Apostles. For instance, Peter, quoting Moses, preached to the people of Israel:
    Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
    23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
    24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
    25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
    The nation calling itself "Israel" refuses to hear "that prophet" the Lord Jesus Christ - their Messiah. True Israel did & does hear & believe Jesus, & is found among believers of all kindreds of the earth, & of course, in heaven, awaiting the return of their Messiah for resurrection & the NH&NE where all the covenant promises of God will be perfectly fulfilled.
    23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
     
  6. Covenanter added a post in a topic How to defend against a sheep   

    And, you could always try confusing the sheep with your knowledge of English grammar .... 
  7. Covenanter added a post in a topic THE NIGHT WATCHMAN   

    Cameron (UK PM) has instructed his ministers to submit proposals to reduce costs by 25-40%. 
    "Hey! Boss! The best way of saving money is for me to resign!" 
    I wonder what proposals for cost saving he would get if he asked the actual working staff?
     
     
  8. Covenanter added a post in a topic Everlasting Covenants?   

    Everlasting must depend on God and his unfailing promises. He swears by himself. If it appears to us that such a covenant has failed, or is in abeyance, then we must consider it to be typical, and fulfilled in and by Christ.  
    He fulfilled all the sacrifices and offerings required by the law, so redeeming his people, he is the king in David's line, and he has entered heaven to secure our home in glory.
    Peter declared that his hearers were children of ... the covenant, and Paul that Jesus confirmed the covenant. Acts 3, Acts 15.
    We need have no doubts, God is keeping his covenant promises through Abraham's seed, Jesus, and all his redeemed people will enjoy them for all eternity.
     
     
  9. Covenanter added a post in a topic Good KJV Bible for KIndle 2   

    I don't download, just use it on line. 
     
  10. Covenanter added a post in a topic Good KJV Bible for KIndle 2   

    Blueletterbible.org is brilliant.
    I use it on my Kindle, not just for reading but searching and access to commentaries, Greek and Hebrew and much more.
  11. Covenanter added a post in a topic Muslim Free Zone   

    But why not a white-free zone, in view of the murders committed by whites - or even a police-free zone? And as Invicta indicates, there is a move towards a Gospel-free zone. 
     
  12. Covenanter added a post in a topic The 7th Shemita is here   

    Who or what is "Israel" in these new covenant in Jesus' blood days? Obviously not the country that claims the name, but totally rejects the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ. 
  13. Covenanter added a post in a topic Sun and Moon will change   

    We can take the Olivet prophecies together. How can we understand Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  as occurring at the AD 70 destruction? We know that actual sun darkening occurred while Jesus hung on the cross, that Joel records the sun being darkened by a cloud of locust. (See also Rev. 9: 2 ) Isaiah 13 prophesies sun darkening at the time of the Medes conquering Babylon. There is no compelling reason to place the darkening to an "end time" event, other than the end of the Jewish state as also prophesied by Gabriel in Dan. 9. Nor to consider the tribulation as other than events of the destruction. 
    Joseph dreamed of the sun, moon & stars bowing down to him - immediately understood by his father & brothers - Gen. 39:9-11 - and a greater than Joseph was speaking. We have a figurative use of sun, moon & stars as a precedent. 
    The details of the AD 70 destruction are not recorded in Scripture, but they are given in prophecy. There is no difficulty in understanding a real darkening, bearing in mind that God was bringing to an end the city & temple built for him. 
    Acts 2, quoting Joel is referring to the sun darkening at Calvary.
    The events in Revelation may be AD 70 or a tribulation before Jesus returns. I can't go further in this post. 
    So in response to the poll question, sun darkening was prophesied by the Lord Jesus to occur at the AD 70 destruction, as it did at other times in recorded Biblical history. Not all the prophecies relate to AD 70, 
    I can vote "yes" to AD 70, but I would also vote that such occurrences are yet to happen towards the end of time. We need a few more options. 
     
     
  14. Covenanter added a post in a topic Sun and Moon will change   

    The devout Jews did accept Jesus - 3,000 at Pentecost, 5,000 a few days later, & before the 70th week was ended,  the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
    At Pentecost there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    After the lame man was healed, Peter assured his hearers, Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. ..... Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
    The LORD Jesus Christ confirmed the covenant with many, as Gabriel prophesied, but for those who rejected Messiah & the covenant, only desolation remained. Peter repeated Moses warning,  For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
    Those who did not accept Jesus were destroyed in AD 70, this generation, within 40 years. Every vestige of the earthly Jewish kingdom was destroyed as Jesus' heavenly kingdom was established. Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son. Yes, God has not yet gathered out of his kingdom all things that offend - he is longsuffering - he has sinners to save. BUT -
     He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
    Jesus is King of kings & Lord of lords,& all believers are presently citizens of his kingdom.