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  1. Nathaniel added a comment on a blog entry: Law and Gospel   

    This was the first sermon I preached. It was the result of many trials in which God used to showed me more of the Gospel and its necessity for Christians. It was originally a longer sermon entitled The Whip of the law and The Sword of Truth. But, I had to shorten it for time which I was only able to do with God's help. I believe it came out better than the original though! But I must apologize to any readers of the sermon because of my poor punctuation.

    Any comments are appreciated! Feel free to post. :)
  2. Nathaniel added a sermon entry in Nathaniel's Sermons   

    Law and Gospel
    Now we know the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. It can lead us in grateful OB edience showing us a picture of righteousness. Which righteousness we have been given freely by Christ's work. But the law cannot make us right with God. Because we fail even when we do our best to serve God. The Law condemns us: the law tells us (Rom 13:9)... Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Digging within ourselves we find not this righteousness. We may have an outward form of each but as it says in (Jas 2:10) ..whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. So what the prophet Isaiah rings true (Isa 64:6) we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Yet too often we looking to the law and not to Christ wallow in our own sin. Grieving over our unrighteousness we think God rejects us. We feel that we are no longer accepted. Then we think, Oh!! But! if I can just pray, repent and do good then God will accept me! As if God's favor or love was dependent upon ourselves. So we order our lives more rightly and then we look at all that we are doing and too often we think; I believe in God and the gospel. I am doing so much good! I don't wear this or that. I don't listen to this or that. I was nice to my neighbor! I OB eyed the law! (All of which may be good things!) and we say within ourselves. I am so glad I don't do those bad things! And if only this or that person would be more like me then they would be right with God too! And so we end up showing our inner Pharisee. Being ignorant of the unrighteousness in our best works we end up glorying in ourselves and not in Jesus. In all this we try to make God's grace a vending machine. Thinking that if I put this work into the slot and turn then God will be pleased with me and his love, favor and blessings will come out! In all this we turn God into a debtor! But in all this we do not please God.
    (Rom 4:3-5) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
    (Ps 147:10-11) He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man. The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.
    But our show of "righteousness" will not last long. We are bound to fail because sin dwells in us. Much more if we are being fueled by guilt and or fear and not by Jesus! And so with our failure the whole process repeats over and over if we look not to Jesus..!

    (Rom 7:24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    (Gal 3:10-14) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    There is only one way to be accepted and loved by God: Jesus Christ. Though we may believe this. We too often think God's love for us relies on our own loveliness. (Rom 5:8-9) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    (Isa 53:5-6) But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    Oh let everyone here now listen; if you hear nothing else hear this! Since Jesus (Who is God: The LORD himself manifest in the flesh) [was] wounded for our transgressions, so our transgressions are no longer upon us! If they are still upon us then he wasn't wounded for us! Oh doubt not he was wounded for you! It says for he was wounded for OUR transgressions! And not only so! We see that Jesus was bruised for our iniquities, so our iniquities are no longer upon us! If they are upon us he wasn't bruised for us! Doubt not that he was bruised for you! it says he was bruised for OUR iniquities! Even the chastisement of our peace [was] upon Jesus! He took upon himself the wrath we deserve for our sin; so that we have peace with God! Not by our works but by God the Father's grace through Christ! And we see that with Jesus's stripes we are healed. Because all we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the God The Father hath laid on his only begotten son Jesus Christ the iniquity of us all!

    We see in the gospel that Jesus purchased for us perfect righteousness which he has given to us freely through faith. So that because of Jesus's work alone we are fully accepted, perfect, and complete in Jesus! So that now matter how much the law tells us that we are failures, that everything we do is imperfect and full of sin it cannot hurt us! Looking to Jesus we can rejoice, resting in him! Now free to serve and worship God not out of fear, guilt or necessity; but just because he loves us no matter what!

    But, Perhaps one here has never believed in Jesus Christ alone! Please believe the Gospel! Because by any deed or works we cannot be saved; But God the Father sent his son Jesus (who is God manifest in the flesh) to die for our sins. And he raised him again for our justification that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life! (2Cor 5:21) For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    No one is so bad a sinner that their sin cannot be covered by the perfect righteousness of Jesus! Please repent and believe the Gospel! If you have any questions or would like to know how you can be saved any one of us would be willing to help you to the best of our ability please feel free to ask!
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  3. Nathaniel added a post in a topic: Calvinism on the March   





    I agree it can get pretty close.. If taken in the wrong direction... As I quote "I'm just now (hopefully by God's grace) coming out of the legalism I fell into." "(Then I fell again into fruit seeking... :/)"
    As if I have not these fruits/preserve enough one can have no assurance. Which isn't biblical IMO. (If I have them they aren't perfect.. So they have sin as well. In which case what differ they from any other unsaved person's works? :/ God requires perfection so we can't lose sight of it.. (Ps 130:3) If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? My fruit won't and will never pass this test.. So I can't use it at all to see if I am in Christ or no.. If one does "check fruit to make sure they are in Christ" They look to their fruit (as a new law) and not to Christ. And if they see the sin therein they are condemned and that pains of hell gets hold upon them (Unless they lower the standard of holiness...) bringing them into bondage.. Then one goes around to produce more or better fruits (and seek to be made perfect by the flesh (whether they say By grace I do it! or not.) Which worsens their state even to feeling hell over them every moment like unto eternal death on earth.) Then they fall hopefully enough to go to Christ.. (Phil 3:8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,

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    Can a Christian continue in sin?



    (Rom 6:1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    No.

    (Rom 6:2) By no means. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    (Rom 6:3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    (Rom 6:4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    (Rom 7:6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.

    (Rom 8:2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    (Gal 5:6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
    (Gal 6:15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

    (Rom 6:5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
    (Rom 6:6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    (Rom 6:7) For he that is dead is freed [in Greek: justified] from sin.
    (Rom 6:8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

    This is full assurance (As Abraham in Rom 4 and John 3:16)

    (Rom 10:6) But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down [from above]; )
    (Rom 10:7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

    To doubt your salvation is to do this.. :/ though thankfully there is forgiveness with God that he may be feared.

    (Rom 10:8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
    (Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    (Rom 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    (Rom 10:11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.)

    (Rom 6:9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    (Rom 6:10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    (Rom 6:11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Sin has no more dominion over me because it has no more power over me (The law is fulfilled and I died and now live [and am complete] in Christ.) Therefore in that faith I can bring forth fruit. ((John 15:5) I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.) Fruit isn't only huge deeds (which one should do too.) But, fruit is whatever I do by faith in Christ. (1Cor 10:31) Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.)

    (Gal 2:20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    We are dead (Justified from all sin) and alive unto God through Jesus

    (Rom 6:12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

    Therefore let us not sin seeing what great things he has done for us..

    (Gal 5:6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

    (Rom 6:13) Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
    (Rom 6:14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    Sin shall not have dominion because sin cannot hurt us any longer. We are no longer debtors to the law. Christ has fully atoned. We are now fully justified by grace alone.

    (Rom 8:12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh , to live after the flesh .

    (Gal 4:22) For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid , the other by a freewoman.
    (Gal 4:23) But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh ; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise.
    (Gal 4:24) Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    We are no longer debtors to live after the flesh (the righteousness which comes from the law.)

    (Rom 8:13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

    (Rom 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
    (Rom 3:21) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
    (Rom 3:22) Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    (Gal 5:18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

    Faith is one of the works of the Spirit, if we walk by faith which worketh by love and not by sight (works); we will live.

    (Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    (Rom 8:15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    (Rom 6:15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? by no means.

    What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace because sin is not imputed where there is no law and we no longer have the sin imputed by Adam? by no means

    (Rom 6:16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of abounding offenses Under dominion/bondage to the law to death or abounding offenses to obedience to the faith unto the righteousness of Christ?

    (Rom 1:5) By whom we have received grace and apostleship, to the obedience of faith among all nations, for his name:

    (Rom 5:16) And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.

    (Rom 6:17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

    Hence my comment above.

    (Rom 6:18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    Free from our old husband the law and now being reconciled and justified we can serve Christ being clothed in his righteousness.

    (Rom 6:19) I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
    (Rom 6:20) For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

    We had no righteousness at all because without faith it is impossible to please God.

    (Rom 6:21) What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things [is] death.

    Those things = our good and bad works by the law which are all filthy rags..

    (Rom 6:22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

    We are freed (innocent from sin through Christ.)

    (Rom 6:23) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Even our good is sin.. and of course our bad the wages thereof is death; but the gift of God (Romans 5, John 3:16)

    (Rom 5:14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
    (Rom 5:15) But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
    (Rom 5:16) And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.

    Many offenses.. (As all we do has sin therein.) We must be wholly justified by Christ. If we look for our being in Christ from our works, if we are honest we will find death because our works are sinking sand. But, if we don't see any works at all or even if we do (seeing the deadness in our fruit.) Our response should be to trust in Christ thereby abiding in him and count all else but dung.

    (Rom 4:17) (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
    (Rom 4:18) Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
    (Rom 4:19) And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
    (Rom 4:20) He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
    (Rom 4:21) And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
    (Rom 4:22) And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
    (Rom 4:23) Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
    (Rom 4:24) But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
    (Rom 4:25) Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    Well can a Christian be in continual sin?

    What is a Christian? Not one that does but one that receives all he has from Christ alone. So yes we can have many offenses. But, by no means should we live therein. I struggle with pride and it attacks me almost constantly and sometimes I am being proud at work and think (look how good you are doing compared to..!!) Or instead of let me work well and be nice and be a good witness for my Lord! Greed attacks all of a sudden and mixes in to my dismay I catch myself being nice (in which case being nice is an act of greed..) to get a $5 compliment coupon.. The flesh is always there sin is always there.. For example; Because one suffers with the outward form (yelling) and not just the the spiritual form (anger). Is that sin to big for God? No, and he will perfect that which concerns them at the resurrection. In the mean time we must suffer (Rom 8) with our imperfections in hope for the removal thereof... (for me my continual battle with pride, Idolatrous images of Christ in my mind etc.. I try to slay it them when I find them staying I can't give up. I must say go ahead flesh if you must go ahead all you want.. I agree I am a sinner worthy of death.. Yet I will trust in my Lord and wait in hope and by God's grace I will overcome you soon and also in that day finally you will be gone!

    But let everyone that confesses Christ depart from iniquity for his names sake.
  4. Nathaniel added a post in a topic: Calvinism on the March   



    I agree; somewhat again (Lol) Though I believe the Lord will work in/create and win that (faith/trust) (Through the Spirit and the promises which lead to Christ) Because otherwise we wouldn't choose God (Roman's 3) at all because we all love darkness more than Light.. (John 3) as is evidenced from


    Proverbs 20:12 The hearing ear , and the seeing eye , the LORD hath made even b ot h of them.

    (Rom 11:7) What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath ob tained it , and the rest were blinded
    (Rom 11:8) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should n ot see, and ears that they should n ot hear ; ) unto this day.
    (Rom 11:9) And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
    (Rom 11:10) Let their eyes be darkened, that they may n ot see, and bow down their back alway.
    (Rom 11:11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

    John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cann ot see the kingdom of God.
    (John 3:4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
    (John 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    (John 3:6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh ; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    (John 3:7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
    Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    (John 6:26) Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, n ot because ye saw the miracles , but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
    (John 6:27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
    (John 6:28) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
    (John 6:29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
    (John 6:30) They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
    (John 6:31) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
    (John 6:32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
    (John 6:33) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
    (John 6:34) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
    (John 6:35) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
    (John 6:36) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe n ot .
    (John 6:37) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
    (John 6:38) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
    (John 6:39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    (John 6:40) And this is the will of him that se nt me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    (John 6:41) The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
    (John 6:42) And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
    (John 6:43) Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
    (John 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    (John 6:45) It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
    (John 6:46) Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
    (John 6:47) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
    (John 6:48) I am that bread of life.
    (John 6:49) Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
    (John 6:50) This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
    (John 6:51) I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
    (John 6:52) The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?
    (John 6:53) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
    (John 6:54) Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
    (John 6:55) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
    (John 6:56) He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
    (John 6:57) As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
    (John 6:58) This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
    (John 6:59) These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
    (John 6:60) Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [this], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
    (John 6:61) When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
    (John 6:62) [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
    (John 6:63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth n ot hing: the words that I speak u nt o you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
    (John 6:64) But there are some of you that believe n ot . For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed n ot , and who should betray him .
    (John 6:65) And he said, Therefore said I u nt o you, that no man can come u nt o me, except it were given u nt o him of my Father.
    (John 6:66) From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
    (John 6:67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
    (John 6:68) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
    (John 6:69) And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
    (John 6:70) Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    (John 6:71) He spake of Judas Iscariot [the son] of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

    Romans 10:8-21 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God . But I say, Have they n ot heard? Yes verily, their sound we nt i nt o all the earth , and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me n ot ; I was made manifest u nt o them that asked n ot after me . But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands u nt o a dis ob edie nt and gainsaying people.


    (Rom 3:9) What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
    (Rom 3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    (Rom 3:11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    (Rom 3:12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


    (Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
    (Eph 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    (Eph 2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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    Brother, salvation is simple, the Devil tries to make it complicated.

    I agree somewhat.. (The somewhat could be because its not easy to articulate what we mean on this..)

    Can you save yourself? No
    (Yes I cannot save myself at all it must be all of Christ from start to end even my believing though..)

    Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.



    Can Christ save you? Yes.

    I agree.. Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    Do you trust Christ to save you? Yes.

    If you believe that then you're saved.

    In a sense I agree but, this is where I mostly worry about you.. Because notice

    Do you trust Christ to save you? Yes.

    If you believe that then you're saved.

    notice the change of emphasis; I worry we look to much to ourselves. Even our believing (or fruits of the Spirit) and make and Idol of that. (and end up Col 2:19 "not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.") When we should look to Christ alone (Of course trusting in him alone for our salvation..)

    But like i said in the beginning I could just be reading it in "because its not easy to articulate what we mean on this.."
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    That is not quite my reason.. (though hopefully I'm not sinfully arguing..)

    I'll explain why I believe it is so important (though the most important thing in my view at this point is on the emphasis of believing and not on predestination or even election for that matter though I believe that is important as well.)
    I'm worried about people believing that faith came from themselves.. changing the emphasis of believing (which is easier if you believe you started your faith.) as I did and thus falling far from the gospel in the fashion of the Galatians....


    I'm just now (hopefully by God's grace) coming out of the legalism I fell into. However the danger is by changing the emphasis..


    We would agree that it says whosoever believeth in HIM shall be saved.

    When my first doubt came after I was saved. I was pointed to well did YOU believe in the promise? and I did believe in the promise THEREFORE I am saved.. There is a subtle trick of the devil to get you away from Christ.. Because, one of the promises is "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life " When I was saved I believed the promise that whosoever believes shall be saved by Christ and forgiven of their sins.. But notice the slight turn from the faith that leads to destruction.. Because the emphasis of the promise is changed. After my doubt my faith was on MY believing the promise and not the Christ behind the promise.

    Hopefully I am explaining this aright.. Umm, the correct response should be I believed the promise Christ gave me that HE would save me and I still will believe that promise. However, not I believed therefore I am saved because I have believed then.

    To put it simply there is a danger to put faith in faith more when one believes they started their faith. There is less tendency if one believes the doctrines of grace (that faith is the gift of God) to fall into this error which can be hard to discern.. Though there is a like error I shortly fell into with the doctrines of grace too.. I BELIEVED THEREFORE I am elect THEREFORE I am saved because all the elect shall be saved.. (Honestly you think after the first time I would know better.. (Then I fell again into fruit seeking... :/) But, I would beg of you all to look to Christ alone (His death, His life, His Righteousness, just as at the beginning; and so therefore because Christ did all this I am saved.Col 2:10 "And ye are complete in him") (Take it from this foolish Galatian that began in the spirit and thought to be made perfect by the flesh (In type.)

    Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    Ga 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love

    I'll comment on these passages to get my point across.. With a huge danger that it could be taken the wrong way.. (Because belief does matter and I believe a true Child of God will never truly fall away even through seasons of unbelief (Like the Galatians and Peter.)

    For in Jesus Christ neither my believing availeth any thing, nor unbelieving; but faith which worketh by love
    For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    If you don't believe in predestination, election, faith is the gift of God alone worked by the Spirit through the Word... At least please look at it this way that faith wasn't of yourself it came from the promise. (which too is a gift of God.)

    So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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    Welcome May God bless you and your ministry.
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    I agree predestination is all in Christ alone.

    (Eph 1:3) Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
    (Eph 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    It would have to be in Christ we could never be predestined in ourselves if so we could never be holy and without blame before him in love. He chose us in him before the foundation of the world.Though I disagree we do anything (by ourselves) Edit: because even our believing is worked by God. Though we must believe.) to become Christ's. It is all bought by Christ alone (Which though we differ what what all is in this case too.. I assume we would agree that Salvation is all of the Lord.)

    (Rom 9:10) And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac;
    (Rom 9:11) (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
    (Rom 9:12)  It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
    (Rom 9:13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
    (Rom 9:14) What shall we say then? [is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
    (Rom 9:15) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
    (Rom 9:16) So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


    (Heb 6:18) That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

    Now I just thought of this..
    We flee for refuge to Christ (Man's Responsibility), But it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.(Sovereign Grace) Because he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world and calls us by his Grace through the spirit.   (Rom 8:28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.(Rom 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.(Rom 8:30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    So in the end it truly is;
    (Rom 8:31) What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?


    I'll take the risk of being called a Spurgeonist.... As I find this similar to your situation.  (Sovereign Grace and man's responsibility (again..) Thanks to Spurgeon Gems )

    (Rom 10:20) But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
    (Rom 10:21) But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

    CH Spurgeon:

    “Well,” says someone, “I should have thought that although the Savior might not require an earnest seeking and
    sighing and groaning and a continuous searching after Him, yet certainly He would have desired and demanded that eve-
    ry man, before he has Grace, should ask for it.” That, indeed, Beloved, seems natural, and God will give Grace to them
    who ask for it. But mark, the text says that He was manifested “to them who asked not for Him.” That is to say, before
    we ask, God gives us Grace! The only reason why any man ever begins to pray is because God has put previous Grace in
    his heart which leads him to pray. I remember when I was converted to God, I was an Arminian through and through. I
    thought I had begun the good work myself and I used to sit down and think, “Well, I sought the Lord four years before I
    found Him,” and I think I began to compliment myself upon the fact that I had perseveringly entreated of Him in the
    midst of much discouragement! But one day the thought struck me, “How was it you came to seek God?” and in an in-
    stant the answer came from my soul, “Why, because He led me to do it! He must first have shown me my need of Him, or
    else I should never have sought Him! He must have shown me His preciousness, or I never would have thought Him worth
    seeking.” And at once I saw the Doctrines of Grace as clear as possible. GOD must begin! Nature can never rise above
    itself. You put water into a reservoir and it will rise as high as that, but no higher if let alone. Now, it is not in human
    nature to seek the Lord. Human nature is depraved and, therefore, there must be the extraordinary pressure of the Holy
    Spirit put upon the heart to lead us to first ask for mercy. But mark, we do not know anything about that while the Spir-
    it is operating! We find that out afterwards. We ask as much as if we were asking all of ourselves. Our business is to seek
    the Lord as if there were no Holy Spirit at all—and although we do not know it, there must always be a previous motion
    of the Spirit in our heart before there will be a motion of our heart towards Him— "


    (Rom 3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    (Rom 3:11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    (Rom 3:12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


    I agree with Pilgrim though let us labour the more to share the Gospel than debate (for lack of thinking of a better word.) Oh, if we think of our Savior's love how often do we (At the very least I) fall short. :(
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    “5. Many look at Charles Spurgeon as next in line after the trinity and want to be like him. It would be better in my opinion if they would just smoke his cigars instead of choking on his Calvinism."

    I was saved after listening to one of Spurgeons sermons. However I came to hold to very high view of separation.. I tended to separate over the smallest things and wouldn't listen to preachers only that were really close to my views... I thought they must not believe their bibles to believe that! (When I hadn't even read the whole bible yet..) So a bit after I knew he was a "Calvinist". I stopped listening to him and deleted his material.. However I kept seeing "Calvinism" in scripture.. (I learned what it was from a refutation of it.) By no means did I want to believe it. In fact (I was extremely prideful as a young believer and it still tries to overtake me...) I thought Calvinism was a evil doctrine and pretty much thought one a heretic if the believed such.. I also followed Dr. Cloud a lot as a young believer.. and I was surprised some people didn't care for him when I read topics here.. (Because after all he is high on the Fundamental 500?! (Which I found you all on..) However I read through the bible for the first time and I could no longer believe dispensationalism.. (Gal 3:16) (Ro 9:6)
    Scripture is (at least to me) plainly against it. I didn't see a Pre-trib rapture anywhere.. (if you remember I had some forums on such here. I even rejected Calvinism there post #146) I was shocked and I had to re-examine doctrines.. (I even ended up doubted cardinal ones to my shame..) I had built so much upon the teachers and what I was taught by them when they failed me what ground had I? (I did similar to what #5 is only with IFB teachers) I read and believed what people told me if they were orthodox in some things I figured they must be in these too! So if they could make scripture seem to support their view then I was sold. However, I still denied Calvinism and refused for awhile to listen to teachers.. As I was going to go scriptural.. I started reading the gospels and Romans and I kept seeing "Calvinism" a lot in John. But I fought against it still as someone here called it a damnable doctrine and it kinda scared me... I kept meditating upon the scriptures in my mind and I couldn't ignore it any longer. So I decided to see what my old friend Spurgeon had to say about "Calvinism" I listened to "Sovereign Grace and Man's Responsibility" and it answered quite a few of my questions.. I only believe it because of scripture by no means because a teacher taught it.. If I was following my teachers I would still be 100% IFB . (Edit: I'm sorry that could have come across the wrong way. I think you all believe your bibles too.)

    (John 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

    (John 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    All men cannot be always all men in the universe unless you believe every single person ever will be saved...

    (John 6:39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


    (Matt 11:25) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    (Matt 11:26) Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
    (Matt 11:27) All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].


    (Matt 16:16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    (Matt 16:17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


    (John 1:10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.


    (the world "gentiles")

    (John 1:11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    (His own "jews of the flesh" who then is left?)

    John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: KJV
    John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. KJV

    John 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? KJV
    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. KJV
    John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. KJV
    John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. KJV

    2Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: KJV
    2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. KJV
    2Cor 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. KJV
    2Cor 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. KJV

    Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; KJV
    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: KJV

    (we used to be blinded)


    Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; KJV
    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: KJV
    Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. KJV
    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, KJV
    Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) KJV
    Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: KJV
    Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. KJV
    Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: KJV

    (that faith is the gift of God)

    (Eph 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    (John 6:28) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
    (John 6:29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



    (The work that God does is to make us believe otherwise we are doing a work.)

    Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. KJV
    Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. KJV

    Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. KJV

    Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. KJV

    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. KJV
    John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. KJV

    Isa 54:13 And all thy children [shall be] taught of the LORD; and great [shall be] the peace of thy children. KJV

    Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. KJV
    Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. KJV

    John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. KJV

    John 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. KJV
    John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. KJV
    John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him]. KJV
    John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. KJV
    John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. KJV

    Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. KJV
    Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. KJV

    (We cannot even truly receive Christ unless saving faith be given to us.)

    (Rom 10:20) But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
    (Rom 10:21) But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


    C.H Spurgeon quotes from Sovereign Grace and Man's Responsibility (thanks www.spurgeongems.org for the sermon) (I would reccomend hearing the sermon if you are interested here http://www.sermonaud...ID=22301111032. )
    "The system of Truth is not one straight line, but two. No man will ever get a right view of the Gospel until he knows how to look at the two lines at once." "That God predestines and that man is responsible are two things that few can see. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory. But they are not! It is the fault of our own weak judgment" "These two Truths, I do not believe, can ever be welded into one upon any human anvil, but one they shall be in eternity!"
    "Now, this morning I am about to consider the two Doctrines. In the 20th verse, we have taught us the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace—“But Isaiah is very bold and says, I was found by those who sought Me not. I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” In the next verse, we have the Doctrine of man’s guilt in rejecting God.
    I. First, then, DIVINE SOVEREIG NT Y AS EXEMPLIFIED IN SALVATION. If any man is saved, he is saved by Divine Grace and by Divine Grace, alone. The reason of his salvation is not to be found in him, but in God. We are not saved as the result of anything that we do or that we will—we will and do as the result of God’s good pleasure and the work of His Grace in our hearts! No sinner can prevent God, that is, he cannot go before Him, cannot anticipate Him. God is always first in the matter of salvation! He is before our convictions, before our desires, before our fears, before our hopes. All that is good or ever will be good in us is preceded by the Grace of God and is the effect of a Divine cause with-in. "

    "You would imagine that if God gave His Grace to any He would wait until He found them earnestly seeking Him. You would imagine that God in the highest heavens would say, “I have mercies, but I will leave men alone and when they feel their need of these mercies and seek Me diligently with their whole heart, day and night, with tears and vows and supplications—then will I bless them—but not before.” But Beloved, God says no such thing! It is true He does bless them who cry unto Him but He blesses them before they cry, for their cries are not their own cries, but cries He has put into their lips! Their desires are not of their own growth, but desires which He has cast like good seed into the soil of their hearts. God saves men who do not seek Him! Oh, wonder of wonders! It is mercy indeed when God saves a seeker, but how much greater mercy when He seeks the lost Himself? "Mark the parable of Jesus Christ concerning the lost sheep. It does not run thus—“A certain man had a hundred sheep and one of them did go astray. And he tarried at home and lo, the sheep came back and he received it joyfully and said to his friends, rejoice, for the sheep that I have lost has come back.” No. He went after the sheep—it never would have come after him."

    II. Now, then, for the second point. “There now,” says my ultra friend, “he is going to contradict himself.” No, my Friend, I am not! I am only going to contradict you. The second point is MAN’S RESPONSIBILITY. “But to Israel He says, All day long I have stretched out My hands unto a disobedient and contrary people.” Now, these people whom God had cast away had been wooed, had been sought, had been entreated to be saved. But they would not and inasmuch as they were not saved, it was the effect of their disobedience and their contrariness. That lies clearly enough in the text. When God sent the Prophets to Israel and stretched forth His hands, what was it for? What did He wish them to come to Him for? Why, to be saved! “No,” says one, “it was for temporal mercies.” Not so, my Friend! The verse before is concerning spiritual mercies and so is this one, for they refer to the same thing. Now, was God sincere in His offer? God forgive the man who dares to say He was not! God is undoubtedly sincere in every act He does. He sent His Prophets. He entreated the people of Israel to lay hold on spiritual things, but they would not. And though He stretched out His hands all the day long, yet they were, “a disobedient and contrary people,” and would not have His love. And on their head rests their blood!"


    “Well,” says one, “I like the Doctrine. Still there are very few that preach it and those that do are very high.” Very likely, but I care little what anybody calls me. It matters very little what men call you. Suppose they call you a “hyper”—that does not make you anything wicked, does it? Suppose they call you an Antinomian—that will not make you one! I must confess, however, that there are some men who preach this Doctrine who are doing ten thousand times more harm than good because they don’t preach the next Doctrine I am going to proclaim, which is just as true! They have this to be the sail, but they have not the other to be the ballast. They can preach one side, but not the other. They can go along with the high Doctrine but they will not preach the whole of the Word. Such men caricature the Word of God! And just let me say here, that it is the custom of a certain body of Ultra-Calvinists, to call those of us who teach that it is the duty of man to repent and believe, “Mongrel Calvinists.” If you hear any of them say so, give them my most respectful compliments and ask them whether they ever read Calvin’s works in their lives. Not that I care what Calvin said or did not say, but ask them whether they ever read his works. And if they say “No,” as they must say, for there are 48 large volumes—you can tell them that the man whom they call “a Mongrel Calvinist,” though he has not read them all, has read a very good share of them and knows their spirit. And he knows that he preaches substantially what Calvin preached—that every Doctrine he preaches may be found in Calvin’s Commentaries on some part of Scripture or other. We are TRUE Calvinists! However, Calvin is nobody to us. Jesus Christ and Him Crucified and the old fashioned Bible are our standards. Beloved, let us take God’s Word as it stands! If we find high Doctrine there, let it be high! If we find low Doctrine, let it be low! Let us set up no other standard than the Bible affords!"


    In the end it is still; (John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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    Been praying for you. It must be tough with so many things at once.. But, surely even this is for good! Don't be discouraged! Stand strong in God knowing it is all in his control.

    (Ps 62:5) My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation [is] from him.
    (Ps 62:6) He only [is] my rock and my salvation: [he is] my defence; I shall not be moved.
    (Ps 62:7) In God [is] my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, [and] my refuge, [is] in God.
    (Ps 62:8) Trust in him at all times; [ye] people, pour out your heart before him: God [is] a refuge for us. Selah.
  11. Nathaniel added a post in a topic: Cataract Surgery on October 3, 2011   

    Sorry (I meant to edit but made a new post..)
  12. Nathaniel added a post in a topic: Cataract Surgery on October 3, 2011   

    I will pray for you.
  13. Nathaniel added a post in a topic: Gharu family - death at 41   

    I will pray, surely the Lord has a plan (perhaps even to the salvation of some.) I'm glad that your able to help them. May God bless.

    (Ps 116:15) Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints.
    (Phil 1:21) For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.
  14. Nathaniel added a post in a topic: I will be preaching again   

    How did it go ?
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    I'll pray for you.

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