No, it's called applying context to what's written. The context isn't referring to Old Testament prophets; it's referring to those who were alive at the time of the writing of Ephesians...hence the "now" in Ephesians 3:5. Don't read this as though I'm being sarcastic, because I'm not. Can you not see the context of those verses? Do you not see how often "the law" is also mentioned in those verses? Is "the law" also part of the church? The prophets AND the law foretold and pointed to Christ. Christ fulfilled (and will fulfill) what was foretold. While I believe beyond any doubt that God's true prophets were saved, there is nothing in the verses that you've given above or any other scripture that I've seen indicating that the Old Testament prophets were part of the church. The church was future according to the Lord Jesus Christ's own words. Look at the order... Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; Jesus Christ - the chief cornerstone...it began with him, and without him, it wouldn't exist. apostles - mentioned before prophets. prophets - mentioned after apostles. If we're talking about a foundation, a literal foundation has to be laid correctly. You can't put a part of a literal foundation in the wrong order or the foundation will fail...as will the building it supports. Christ is the most important part...the chief cornerstone. That's where a literal foundation starts too...at the cornerstone. If I dig a footing...lay a cornerstone...then begin to build the rest of the foundation... I can't put the mortar before the block...or the rebar before the block...or the block first, then cover it with mortar, then lay rebar on top of that...no, I have to follow an order to have a firm foundation. In our scriptural foundation, Christ is the most important part...the chief cornerstone. Next mentioned is the apostles...THEN prophets are mentioned. The Old Testament prophets came BEFORE the apostles, yet prophets are mentioned after the apostles in the foundation. That's because the context of being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets are referring to prophets alive at the time of Paul's writing...not Old Testament prophets. Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Invicta, While it is true that Peter was preaching to Jews, my point was that "the promise" that both Peter and Paul spoke of was salvation and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Regarding you saying that Peter had to be convinced that it applied to Gentiles...I'm not sure about that. After all, the Lord Jesus Christ himself told Peter (and the others)... Go into all the world , and preach the gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15)... not just Jews . Teach all nations , baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19)... not just Jews . That repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations , beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)... not just Jews . and ye shall be witnesses unto me, both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth . (Acts 1:8)... not just Jews . Peter (and the others) were told beforehand. Whereas, you see the verses that you quoted as being used to "convince" Peter that Gentiles could be saved, I see in those verses that Peter already knew and understood that Gentiles could be saved. I read in those verses that it was the believing Jews there with Peter who became convinced that Gentiles could be saved.
They apparently have moved from Washington to Texas? It's the same school though, because I recognize the Pastor's name...and the site says they are formerly from Washington. http://biblecollegevideos.com/ They are Baptist Briders. I emailed the pastor a couple of years ago (at another's request) to find out if they are Briders. It took 3 emails before he finally said that they are. I had to say the right words so that he couldn't dance around word-meanings before he did finally admit it.
I believe that this is what you're referring to? Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets , Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; I can see why you would attribute "prophets" as being the Old Testament prophets; thereby, including them in the church. However, in the very next chapter of Ephesians, we find this... Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit ; Paul wasn't referring to the Old Testament prophets; he was referring to the prophets who were alive (now) at the time of his writing.
John, I commented on that very scripture before, so I will just link to it --> http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/22664-the-cross-and-how-jews-perceive-it-sharing-messiah-with-the-jewish-people/?do=findComment&comment=400558 I would like to point out that just as I said in the above link, the promise that Peter also refers to, confirms that the promise(s) we inherit were salvation and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38-39 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins , and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Here's my list in order of preference...after trying all of these. 1. MySword (it is the most comprehensive if you want a Bible STUDY app) 2. Bible Gateway (audio Bible included) 3. You Version (audio Bible included) 4. Olive Tree 5. Tecarta
I looked over the link, and it's obvious that this is a pro-MacArthur writing...and the writer goes on to lump anyone who proliferates the fact that MacArthur downplays the blood of Christ as a "militant fundamentalist". In my opinion, MacArthur is wrong...no matter how he tries to explain what he said. In his explaining, he still goes back to Christ's death and downplays Christ's blood. It's fairly simple, and why MacArthur doesn't see it...I don't know...but Christ's death was the means of shedding his blood. You have to have both. His death wouldn't have atoned for anyone's sins without the shedding of his blood, nor would his blood have atoned for anyone's sins without his death. However, to downplay the blood is to downplay the most important part of Christ's atonement...for without the shedding of blood...there is no remission. You have to have a sacrifice for sin...necessitating death. You have to have atonement for sin...necessitating blood. I've also never heard anyone (as the article claims) among us "militant fundamentalists" say that Christ's blood had some type of mystical/magical quality...
Well...I've tried both sides in my family and seen the results...or lack thereof.
Without going into great detail, we exhausted every possible lead in trying to treat our daughter as she was growing up. She didn't respond well to anything (and everything) doctors prescribed. Sure, some of the quick-fixes (steroids) helped, but in the end...nothing did.
We tried the natural route. We had been buying a few things from a vitamin store (for lack of a better description at the moment), and during that time, the owner of the store had received a doctorate in some type of homoeopathic medicine. We asked if we could meet with him to see what he would suggest we do. Sooo...
They made an appointment for us to meet with him...with a $25 consultation fee. That was okay, but after meeting with him, trying everything he suggested and sticking with it for months and months...none of that worked either.
However, she is now 17 and doing much better...other than the fact that she's small for her age, which we suspect was from all of the steroids she was constantly ingesting as a small child. She still has issues, but she's so much better than she was as a little girl.
Now we're basically dealing with it all over again with our 4 year old son...but we've learned more of what to do...at the cost of our daughter...how to better treat him, what to watch for, and what to avoid. So, he's doing okay for the most part.
When it comes down to it, I think modern medicine has its place (just educate yourself...PLEASE!), and just because someone has an M.D. next to their name...doesn't mean they are infallible...we know from personal experience unfortunately. Don't just accept anything and everything they say; they don't have all the answers. We learned the hard way. After visiting big-wig specialists, big-wig hospitals, and plenty of doctors with a god-complex, we finally found a small-town doctor WHO ACTUALLY LISTENS TO US instead of them expecting us to listen to THEM. The medical treatment that we've gotten from her has been as good as...if not better than...all the big-wigs put together.
I also believe that natural remedies have their place. I still stand by Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar! From what I can recall, I haven't been sick...you know...flu, bronchitis, or any of those regular bugs that seems to get everyone...I haven't gotten sick with any of them since I started taking it daily 2 or 3 years ago. Coincidence? Maybe...but I'll stick with it.
Invicta, I've made my position clear many times on this forum; in that, salvation has always, is, and will always be by grace through faith. If your post was in response to mine above, I wasn't speaking of salvation. I can see how one could have misunderstood due to this statement I made...
Perhaps I could have worded it better, but I was merely pointing out that the scriptures made it clear that the strangers who joined Israel were...
joining the actual people in Israel,
in the actual land of Israel,
and they were also subject to the actual law that God gave to Israel.
The church (grace) was given no such directive by God, and in using the term "grace", I was referring to the church; not salvation.
That still doesn't adequately describe what I was trying to say, so I'll just stop trying to explain it.
I was responding to GenevanPreacher; in that, he pointed out that the Bible shows that Gentiles can become part of Israel...I guess he did so to give credence to his belief that the church and Israel are the same. He referenced a portion of scripture which spoke of "strangers" joining Israel. I agree with you; in that, strangers are foreigners...therefore, the strangers were Gentiles who joined in with Israel.
I was only showing that the scripture he used was speaking of the literal land of Israel and the literal Jews. That portion of scripture not only shows that, but also shows that those "strangers" who joined Israel were subject to the law...not grace. Other portions of scripture also show the same.
Absolutely "strangers" could become part of Israel. However, again, we are talking about the nation and actual people of Israel.
From the verses you quoted...including the previous verses...
1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath 1 from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths 2 , and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath 3 from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain 4 , and make them joyful in my house of prayer 5 : their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer 6 for all people.
8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
1 Christians don't keep the sabbath; that was for Israel...under the law.
2 Christians don't keep the sabbath; that was for Israel...under the law.
3 Christians don't keep the sabbath; that was for Israel...under the law.
4 God's holy mountain is in Jerusalem...in Israel.
5 God's house of prayer is the temple...in Jerusalem...in Israel.
6 The Lord Jesus Christ quoted this when he cleansed...the temple...in Jerusalem...in Israel.