No Nicolaitans

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  1. Here's what "sozo" means... All I can say is...YIKES!
  2. Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm going to be taking a hiatus from OB. I started to put it in the IFB Lounge, but I decided to put it here so that everyone would know. I know I'm not important (LOL!), but I just wanted to let everyone know so there wouldn't be anyone wondering "what happened to NN?" I just have to take some time for my family, myself, and the Lord right now. Also, there have been some prayer requests made known...both publicly and privately. Please know that those requests will continue to be prayed for. I'm not looking for anyone to respond to this, so don't feel like you have to say anything. I just wanted to let it be known that I wouldn't be around so that no one might possibly wonder what happened. Respectfully in Christ, No Nicolaitans I pray you all will "press toward the mark"...(Philippians 3:14)
  3. Thank you. I most certainly appreciate you taking the time to respond, and the testimonial was a blessing.
  4. Okay...thanks. It's been some time since I studied all of this. Thank you for clarifying that. If I may, and I don't mean to put any type of pressure on you, but would you mind sharing what showed you the error of the Mormons? I realize that's asking a lot, and it could possibly involve a lot of typing depending on the use your own discrepancy depending on your situation and whether you decide to answer or not.
  5. Didn't the "Pearl of Great Price" come from a golden salamander?
  6. Depending on whether it's true or not, and If memory serves me correctly, Smith didn't actually do the translating. He (with the use of some very questionable practices) verbally dictated it to his wife, and she's the one who wrote it down.
  7. I'm not sure I'm following what's being asked and/or stated. Also DougA, please realize that I'm not attacking you if something I point out seems that way. I'm just confused. Am I wrong in thinking that you are looking to justify the teachings of the Mormon church? I'm not asking you to actually answer this here on the forum, but I have to wonder why you went from Baptist to Mormon. You also state that you are Southern Baptist today, but it seems as though you are wanting justification for Mormon teachings. No one in the Baptist churches that you're familiar with believes that the Lord Jesus was there before the world was formed? Is that what you mean, or are you referring to no one in the Mormon church believes that? Colossians 1:13-16 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator; indeed he was there before the world was formed. He wasn't named "Jesus" until his physical birth; however, he has always been, always is, and always will be God. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. If you're saying that about the Baptists that you know; that's alarming to me...but not surprising to me these days. If you're saying that about the Mormons, that's because it doesn't fit with their theology. Also, they believe the "Book of Mormon" supersedes the Bible; therefore, they believe that anything in the Bible that contradicts their theology isn't true. Is that a typing error; did you mean "more than one deity"? God was speaking to the pre-incarnate Christ, or he was speaking to the Holy Spirit, or he was speaking to both the pre-incarnate Christ and the Holy Spirit. I personally believe that he was speaking to both of them. Just for clarity, while God is the same and never changes, the verse that you referred to is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ. The answer is simple (and I don't mean that in a mocking way)...the answer is very simple. The "Book of Mormon" is an addition to God's word. In fact, the Mormon church used to have television commercials many years ago that stated that. However, what does God say about that? Proverbs 30:5-6 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Smith directly went against God and added to God's words. He not only added to God's word, but much of his additions directly contradict God's word. There are failed prophecies in the Book of Mormon. There are failed historical references in the Book of Mormon. There are failed archaeological references in the Book of Mormon. God's word is shown to be true in that biblical reference, and Joseph Smith was found to be a liar. That's because Smith used the King James Bible as his "reference" to speak. I find it curious that the "Book of Mormon" was written in a very similar style as the King James Bible, but people no longer spoke that way when the "Book of Mormon" was written. The answer there is also simple. Who is that opposes of God according to God's word? It's Satan. Now, I know the Mormons believe that Satan and Christ are brothers; however, that again is not biblical... How could he write it? He used the King James Bible as his "reference". As the opposer of God, Satan or his devils (demons in today's language) inspired him to write it and start a religion that was in complete opposition to the truths of God's word and his method for salvation...or... Smith's own sinful fallen state prompted him to write it. That's also why so many people would follow him. They didn't know the true God, nor did they know true salvation. I realize that may sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound harsh...but there is no other explanation. God doesn't change (which you, yourself acknowledged); therefore, Smith acted in direct opposition to God by adding to his words. ??? I'm not familiar with such a reference in the New Testament.
  8. Wonder if they'll murderize the present Popester now. Francis was going to reform John Paul's reform, but from what I understand, the present reform over the last reform came at the request of those who want the reform...aka...the Curia. In other words, they didn't like John Paul's reform, so they requested a new reform under he's probably safe.
  9. Alan, my apologies for spelling your name wrong on several occasions. I have a good friend named Allen (yes, his first name is spelled that way).
  10. My dearest Bro. Allen, with all humility, I will remind you that you said the apostle would be observable as having performed signs.Nowhere are specific signs attributed to specific apostles other than a few. The majority are simply attributed to...the apostles...which encompasses all of them. The scriptures are indeed the final authority, and on them I rest. I, in no way dispute Paul's apostleship, nor do I dispute Bartholomew's, Thomas', nor Matthias'...despite the fact that they aren't named apart from "the apostles" as having performed signs. With that, I will stop the back and forth. In all humbleness. I bid you good evening, and I pray the Lord gives you a wonderful day. Respectfully, Dan
  11. Bartholomew.
  12. Nor were most of the other apostles that the Lord had chosen...who do we see performing signs, miracles, and wonders? Peter is named. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any others...except Paul...yet the Bible clearly says that "the apostles" did. Of which, Matthias was included, numbered, and named. As I said, this has been discussed in the past (several years ago before you were here I think dear brother). The Holy Ghost had not yet been given, and Simon Peter was seeking the Lord's direction in the way that the Lord had given. In fact, Simon Peter said for the Lord to show which "he had chosen", and the lot fell to Matthias. Again, the Holy Ghost hadn't yet been given; therefore, they were still operating under Old Testament principles. He was fully acting within the God-given acts of choosing. But Bro. Allen, the Bible...God's word...says that he was numbered with the apostles...the eleven; therefore, he was the twelfth. Nowhere does the Bible say that Peter was wrong...or the other 10 apostles were wrong...for including Matthias. Yet, the Holy Word of Almighty God...inspired by the Holy Spirit who is Almighty God...has stated this. If we put this as just a human reference, then where does it stop? What else is simply a human reference not to be considered as God's word? No, but I showed where James was called an apostle by Paul...under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I can't show you where...let's say...Bartholomew performed signs, miracles, and wonders...yet, the Bible clearly says that they were performed by "the apostles"; therefore, I most certainly believe that Bartholomew performed them. We don't have every story of every act performed by every individual; however, we do have the fact that "the apostles" performed them. Therefore, I rest on the Word of God. The apostles performed great signs, wonders, and miracles...all of them. Paul was an apostle. Bartholomew was an apostle, Barnabas was an apostle...and Matthias was an apostle...according to the Word of God. :)
  13. LOL! It's clear that to be an apostle, one must have seen the risen Christ. I'm certainly no apostle, but I certainly believe in the risen Christ! AMEN! GLORY! HALLELUJAH! While I'm here, let me state that I MOST CERTAINLY believe that Paul was an apostle! AMEN!
  14. I used to hold the "Paul was the twelfth apostle" view... While Matthias may not have been mentioned by name after his election, nor were MOST of the other twelve. However, if you do a search of the word "apostles" in the book of Acts (before Saul was called), you'll see that many acts, signs, and wonders were done through "the apostles"; of whom, Matthias was included and numbered. We've been through all of this before, and no minds have been changed that I'm aware of. Did the Lord tell Peter to wait? Yes...but what was he to wait for? Read Acts 1, and you'll see they were to wait for the Holy Ghost. Why? To give them power to be witnesses. That's what they were to wait for...and they were obedient. A careful study of scripture...especially Paul's writings...will reveal that there were other apostles besides the 12. A careful reading of 1 Corinthians 15 will reveal this...also, by paying close attention to the times that Paul refers to "we" (apostles), if one looks to see who he's referring to, one will see that others beside the twelve are apostles. That doesn't diminish the 12's importance or just shows that there were other apostles besides those twelve. Please consider the following... 1 Corinthians 15 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, Verse 5: he was seen of the twelve (this had to have included Matthias) . It certainly didn't include Judas Iscariot, and Paul wasn't yet chosen...yet...Paul says there were 12... Verse 7: He was seen of "all the apostles" (why didn't he say "the twelve" again?). This happened before Paul saw the Lord and was chosen. The Lord's brother James is most definitely called an apostle, but he wasn't one of the 12... (Galatians 1:19) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. ...yet... ...the Bible is clear that NONE of his brethren believed in him when the apostles were chosen... (John 6) 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them,Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? Peter said, "we believe." ...but one of them didn't. In the next chapter, we see this... John 7 1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. 2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand. 3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. 4 For there is no man thatdoeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. 5 For neither did his brethren believe in him. The Lord's brother, James, became an apostle. In fact, he became the leader of the church in Jerusalem...yet...he wasn't one of the twelve. Make of it what you will. I'll still love you whether you agree or not. :)
  15. Keep up the good work brother.