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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from BabeinChrist in Saved in 3 tenses?   
    Well, I didn't want to say anything at first, but the person (and article) to whom you are referring to is using a different Bible and Greek text than the King James Version and the Greek text it was translated from. I quickly looked up the word in Greek, and the word is a different Greek word than what that gentleman quoted. He even admits that other translations translate the word differently. You have to be very careful of whom you read Roselove.
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to HappyChristian in Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S   
    I think both of you need to take a step back and breathe. It seems that you are talking at each other, saying much the same thing. For some reason you've rubbed each other the wrong way (at least that is certainly my impression of your interactions in this and other threads).
    Sadly, I do know of Christians who have stupidly said things like "you can go murder your grandmother now and you'll still go to Heaven." My mother's best friend was told this when she got saved as a teenager. It's no wonder she had no interest in learning anything more about the Lord.
    The fact of the matter is that eternal security is a Bible doctrine, and we are promised it in God's Word. We do not persevere, we are preserved.  Christianity has, in many instances, equated OSAS with eternal security (and Omega is correct that there are minute differences between the two; but minute is the key...). Because once we are saved, we are saved. Period. And that is something with which the two of you are in agreement, even if you don't seem to realize it.
    So, let's, as I said, take a step back and a breath. And let's rejoice that we will meet in Heaven - and we won't talk at cross purposes! 
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to WellWithMySoul in Three Grandsons Saved Today!   
    What joy!  Three of our grandsons were saved today!  The two oldest boys (15 and 17 yrs old) are both special needs boys, and that just goes to show how powerful God's love and His truths are and how they can pierce through and not be hindered by those special needs!  The youngest is almost 12 yrs old and he was the first of the three to ask the Saviour to save him.  "Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth" (Luke 15:7).  What glorious answers to this grandma's countless prayers!  I'm rejoicing with tears of praise, and ever grateful in prayer!  Yes, praise God from Whom all blessings flow!
    I can't help but to add...
    What an unspeakably joyous thing it was to hear the oldest young man ask Jesus to save him! To be told that his countenance was one of peace and serenity surely wrought the instant longing to join the very angels in Heaven and burst out in joyful song! Glory to God in the highest for all three of my grandsons accepting the gift of salvation! Praise the Lord for my grandsons' momma who led them to Him...and their daddy for also teaching them and desiring that they be saved!
    In the quietness of your heart, if you will sweetly still yourself...you shall hear the RE-JOY-SING (JOY AGAIN and AGAIN!!!) in Heaven over these 3 precious young men!
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to (Omega) in Activity on Online Baptist   
    When I first joined OB, there were a lot of friendly and astute folks who knew their bible very well, and they contributed so much to this website, and I also missed them. I know that I have personally left several bible based website forums because they didn't want to here the truth. It was basically, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up, let me continue to stick my head in the sand.". I've noticed this type of mentality among MANY website forums.  And as a result, I left these forums. There are several reasons why some "Christians" refuse to be corrected in their false beliefs, and I believe that they are because of arrogance, or their mind is made up; or like others here have said in this thread, because of time. I am in several ministries, and I still believe that the Lord wants me to go out and preach to the lost FACE to FACE, or in person. One cannot grow in the knowledge of the truth if one is not willing to be rebuked by another forum member who has clearly showed their error using hermeneutics and exegesis. I use to believe that one can lose their salvation until a friend of mine opened my eyes showed me using scripture how I was wrong...this was almost 30 years ago, and now I have grown in the knowledge of the truth of the Word of God . Time is too short in this life to engage in debates with someone who has shut their eyes and closed their ears to the truth of the sacred scriptures. This website also use to have a chat section where folks could chat live here on OB, and for some reason, there were no dissensions, and the members would work out their differences. It's also difficult to tell if someone is raising their voice at you, or that you can perceive their voice inflections and their tone, so someone elses words can be misinterpreted as them being indignant towards you, or if they're trying to communicate in a friendly manner. We who are spiritual should restore such one in the spirit of meekness (Gal.6:1). I am now currently seeking more ministries to get involved in. As I said, life is too short, and we only have a one shot deal in this life, and how we serve the Lord in this world will result in rewards that will last for eternity, so we should make the most of it, and use our talents wisely. We all want to here the Lord say to us, "Well done, good and faithful servant." (Matt.25:45), when we meet Him face to face. I would encourage everyone on this board to engage in some type of ministry. Even the smallest amound of good works that we do for the Lord is significant to Him (cf Matt.24:45; 10:42). And again, it's either hearing these words from the Lord, "Well done faithful and good servant; or, thou wicked and slothful servant." Lets us use our talents wisely. I won't be posting too much here on OB, because I believe that I have other duties to fulfill in this world, and I want to make the most of it, because the ramifications are eternal once we enter the Eternal state.
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Spiritual bipolar nature of fallen mankind (an evil pole and a good Pole)   
    Not sure if I'm missing something or misunderstanding, but I would think that if God is the one who "convinces/persuades" a person, that is still akin to Calvinism. 
    The Holy Spirit convicts and draws them with the truth of the gospel. If the person is convinced/persuaded, it's because they believed that on their own...their response to the Holy Spirit's conviction and drawing is still their's to accept or deny. God knows who will be convinced/persuaded, but he doesn't cause them to be convinced/persuaded; otherwise, that negates free-will.
    As to all of this talk of "Molinism" sounds like some kind of mysticism gone awry. God knows everything, and there is no "need" for alternative creations, possible futures, etc. He knows each choice a person makes (will make), and there is no reason for "what ifs"...he already knows "what".
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Spiritual bipolar nature of fallen mankind (an evil pole and a good Pole)   
    Would you please provide your understanding concerning the correct definition of Free Will (as per your viewpoint that "convince/persuade and free will are mutually exclusive," and thus cannot exist together)?
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Spiritual bipolar nature of fallen mankind (an evil pole and a good Pole)   
    Not sure if I'm missing something or misunderstanding, but I would think that if God is the one who "convinces/persuades" a person, that is still akin to Calvinism. 
    The Holy Spirit convicts and draws them with the truth of the gospel. If the person is convinced/persuaded, it's because they believed that on their own...their response to the Holy Spirit's conviction and drawing is still their's to accept or deny. God knows who will be convinced/persuaded, but he doesn't cause them to be convinced/persuaded; otherwise, that negates free-will.
    As to all of this talk of "Molinism" sounds like some kind of mysticism gone awry. God knows everything, and there is no "need" for alternative creations, possible futures, etc. He knows each choice a person makes (will make), and there is no reason for "what ifs"...he already knows "what".
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to DaveW in Spiritual bipolar nature of fallen mankind (an evil pole and a good Pole)   
    Dude..... don't overthink things......
    I meant the Rose of Sharon.....
    I have never even heard of all that stuff you are talking about........
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from DaveW in Put Your Bad Jokes Here...   
    I can't stop laughing at that one! 
    It's all scientificky 'n such! 
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to DaveW in Put Your Bad Jokes Here...   
    Two atoms meet up one day for lunch, and the first one says to the second one" So how are you?".
    Atom 2: "Not feeling the best - I've lost an electron."
    Atom 1: "Are you sure?"
    Atom 2: "Yep. I'm Positive."
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to DaveW in Put Your Bad Jokes Here...   
    Two blondes are walking along in the country when they come upon some tracks.
    The first blonde says "They are rabbit tracks".
    The second says "No, I think they are deer tracks".
    The first says "No, you are wrong. They are definitely rabbit tracks."
    The second, speaking adamantly now proclaims "No, they are without doubt deer tracks".
     
    Then they got hit by a train...........
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to Rosie in "Ban The Person Above You" Game   
    Bann NN for banning me twice..and also for eating beef potatoes etc n only giving his wife grits for their anniversary and also for making his wife share yer one and only piece of pie
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Invicta in HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?   
    How is it verifiable? Who observed it? 
    Have you performed the laboratory tests yourself? Are you speaking from your personal lab results? Did you calibrate your instruments correctly and use Standard Methods to obtain your results? Did you use a known standard? Did you verify the Chain of Custody (and sign it) in order to prove that the samples hadn't been tampered with? Did you forget to fix the font when you copied and pasted parts of your posts? 
    I mean no disrespect, but we are more interested in knowing your own thoughts from your own personal experiences. If you personally have proven evolution, then please share that with us. 
    At this point, you are telling us that we're wrong in our belief, yet you've told us nothing which proves such. In fact, much of what you have stated directly opposes the Lord's own words; of whom, you have professed belief in.
    I beseech you to reassess what you are placing your faith in.
     
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from HappyChristian in HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?   
    This is like someone coming into your home and telling your children that everything that you (their dad) told them couldn't be trusted...
    Thank you, but I'll trust my Father. :)
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to WellWithMySoul in "Ban The Person Above You" Game   
    Ban NN for making me hungry for everything except the shrimp! 
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to HappyChristian in HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?   
    First, I don't believe there are any geocentrists on the board (I may be wrong), although there are creationists who are, wrongly, geocentric in their universe eye-view.  But what I want to address is "some nonsense about us not animals..." Now, it is obvious that you accidentally left out a word or two and so this clause is not self-explanatory. So forgive me if I jump to the wrong conclusion as to your intent. Were you saying that humans not being animals is nonsense? Because, I'm sorry to tell you (well, no I'm not) that, if that is your intent, the nonsense lies on your side of the court - we are not animals. Humans were created in the image of God, with a soul. Animals were not. Humans were given dominion over the animals.
    Just because we don't have to be blind to scientific facts, it does not follow that we have to blindly accept the unbliblical teachings of "science falsely so called." In fact, we are commanded to avoid them: 
    "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith..." 1 Tim. 6: 20, 21
    Believing in Jesus means accepting Him at His Word - and His Word is very explicit in teaching us that He is the Creator. 
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to Invicta in HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?   
    I don't usually watch David Attenborough's nature  progammes on TV, but last night i saw a few minutes of Blue Planet. He said there was a barren Island in the Galápagos  Islands.  There is a lizard there that he said is the only sea going lizard anywhere in the world,  he said they arrived on the island on driftwood, and when there was no food they evolved into sea going creatures to be able to get food.  They must have evolved as soon as they arrived or they would have starved.  OH no wait!  Evolution takes thousands or millions of years.  
    Of course there is no evidence for any of this and they call this science.
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to HappyChristian in Evolution Evangelism   
    There is no such thing as "empirical"  evidence of evolution. No evolution has ever been observed. By anyone. And that makes evolution a pseudo-science, one based on assumptions made and guessed at (and proven wrong time and time again). Rather, evolution is a system of faith - because there is no empirical evidence, the person who accepts evolution must accept the words of those who propagate the teachings. And that is faith.
    Christianity is also faith. But herein lies the difference: Christianity is faith in the Creator God, based on His Word - and He was there at the time of creation, so He would know. Evolution is faith in fallible men who have been proven to be in error over and over.  Let me see, as I reason this out...to which faith will I subscribe? Which is the more reasonable and logical? Hmmm...it would have to be to accept the words of the One Who was actually there.  God is a God of reason and of logic, of order and of truth. He can be completely trusted in all areas, science included (let's never forget that "scientists" used to teach that the earth was the center of the universe, among other things that have been empirically proven incorrect - like spontaneous generation. Empirical observation has proven that life must come from life. And it all began when God said, "Let there be...").
    I think Henry Morris, who was not an IFB, put it very well in this article (apologies in advance for the length), The Splendid Faith of the Evolutionist
    "Christian faith is essential for salvation (Ephesians 2:8) but in one sense it is not all that difficult to have this kind of faith. After all, the amazing majesty, beauty and complexity of the universe should make it easy to believe in a great Creator God (Psalm 19:1; Romans 1:20), and the overwhelming body of objective evidence for the historicity of the person and work of Jesus Christ—including His bodily resurrection from the grave makes it easy enough to believe in His saving power. 1 But the faith of the evolutionist and humanist is of another order altogether. His is a splendid faith indeed, a faith not dependent on anything so mundane as evidence or logic, but rather a faith strong in its childlike trust, relying wholly on omniscient Chance and omnipotent Matter to produce the complex systems and mighty energies of the universe.
    The Harvard zoologist, P.D. Darlington, has penned a remarkable statement of this evolutionary faith, in his book Evolution for Naturalists. Acknowledging that the creative abilities of Matter are entirely enigmatic, he nevertheless bravely believes in them:
    Is not this a fine statement of faith? Even after looking down many avenues of potential evidence, Professor Darlington, more than 200 pages later, is still able to assert there is no evidence and thus his faith is still pure.
    The evolutionist faces a great temptation here, a serious stumblingblock to his faith. It seems utterly impossible that dead Matter could create Life. At this point, surely, he will have to defer to logic and acknowledge that Life must be produced by a Cause which is itself alive. After all, scientists long ago showed experimentally that life comes only from life.
    This faith in the life-generating powers of Matter glows even more brightly in light of the confessed bafflement of those scientists most familiar with the nature of life and its inexplicable naturalistic origin. One of these has said:
    In fact, the author of this confession, Dr. Orgel, seems at first to have wavered somewhat in his own faith. He and Dr. Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the remarkably complex DNA molecule, now known to be a basic component of life and of the genetic code which controls the reproduction of all living systems, have acknowledged that life was too complex to have arisen naturalistically in the few billion years of earth history.
    In actuality, however, their faith is still strong, perhaps even stronger than that of other evolutionists. They believe in "directed panspermia," the amazing notion that lifeseeds were planted on earth by an unknown civilization from some other world in outer space! The mere statement of this concept is itself adequate testimony to the grand credulity of the faith of these fine evolutionists, since there exists not one iota of scientific evidence for such ethereal civilizations.
    Another evolutionist of bold faith is Richard Dawkins, originator and popularizer of the remarkable concept of "selfish genes", an idea which itself bespeaks an unusual type of faith. Dawkins, who is on the faculty in zoology at England's famed Oxford University, maintains an unshakeable faith in Darwinian evolution, even at the molecular level, in spite of all the modern attacks thereon by fellow evolutionists. He acknowledges, of course, that the logical thing is to believe in God.
    Even though it is, indeed, quite obvious that every complex and purposeful system which man has ever seen produced throughout history has been the product of an intelligent human designer, Professor Dawkins is willing to believe that life itself, far more complex than any man-made contrivance, was not designed. He dismisses God in these patronizing words:
    He is right, of course. It requires only a very ordinary sort of faith to explain a given effect by a cause adequate to produce the effect. Much more faith is required, an extra-ordinary faith, to believe that effects are produced by causes that are not able to produce them! To believe that non-living matter can create life, that chaotic disorder can evolve itself into organized complexity, that unthinking atoms can sort themselves into thinking human beings,—here is a worthy faith!
    Evolutionary faith is not limited to biologists, of course. It can be appropriated by evolutionary humanists in philosophy, in economics, in politics, in all fields. A first-rate example was Adolph Hitler, whose implicit faith in Darwinism ("the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life", as the sub-title of Darwin's Origin of Species put it) gave him the vision and courage to array his assumed "master race" against the world, believing that its triumph would be for the greater good of all mankind in its ongoing evolutionary progress. Although his armies finally went down to defeat, he still retained his great faith!
    Note the strong and unselfish evolutionary faith of Adolph Hitler, willing even to sacrifice his entire Teutonic "race" and finally to take his own life, to advance the cause of evolution.
    Finally, let us consider the remarkable faith of Isaac Asimov, the most prolific science writer of our generation. Asimov believes that our present universe began with the Big Bang of a primeval cosmic egg, whose initial explosion led to the formation of chemical elements, stars, galaxies and finally people. Now note his fine statement of faith.
    Now explosions commonly produce disorder and disintegration, so this greatest of all explosions must have produced the ultimate in disorder and disintegration. Evolution requires, however, that the great Bang somehow yield great order and complex structures. Dr. Asimov, therefore, believes that the primeval egg possessed an almost infinitely high degree of order, even though it had no structure.
    Herein we encounter Asimov's deep faith. In all normal systems with which scientists work, "structure" and "order" are essentially synonymous, equivalent also to "information," "complexity," "organization," "integration" and other such terms. If it did what evolutionists believe it did, the primeval egg certainly must have possessed a tremendous amount of organizing information and it thus seems nonsensical to say it had no structure. Asimov believes not only in run-of-the-mill impossibilities but in the equivalence of opposites ("no structure" = "high order").
    However, Dr. Asimov does feel it necessary to attempt some kind of rationalization, knowing that people of lesser faith might otherwise stumble.
    At this point, he makes another leap of faith, proposing that the universe—instead of expanding, as he believes it is doing now—was contracting, with everything somehow in reverse and with its order increasing as it contracted. For this to be possible, of course, gravitational attraction has to be invoked to pull it together. The problem with this belief, however, is that the total mass of the matter in the universe is far too small to allow this ever to happen.
    Such a problem as this does not overcome the faith of an Asimov. He can handle it merely by another act of faith.
    Asimov's hunch, therefore, solves it all.
    We creationists, admittedly, find it difficult to believe all these things that evolutionists manage to believe. But we have always had a high regard for the principle of faith, even though our own faith is rather weak, based as it is on such strong evidence as almost to compel belief in the God of creation and redemption. We must, therefore, at least express admiration for the remarkable faith of the evolutionist."
    http://www.icr.org/article/splendid-faith-evolutionist/
     
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from HappyChristian in HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?   
    This is like someone coming into your home and telling your children that everything that you (their dad) told them couldn't be trusted...
    Thank you, but I'll trust my Father. :)
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    No Nicolaitans reacted to (Omega) in Memories   
    I'm about middle aged and I have memory problems too. This one time I took off my glasses and forgot where I put them in just a few seconds. I searched my entire house and couldn't find it. And do you know where it was? It was in my suit pocket all along after searching for almost an hour. Silly me!
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from wretched in Evolution Evangelism   
    Abiogenesis? Yes...scientists are trying real hard to prove that life sprang from non-life. Funny thing is, there are scientists (life) who are trying to make everything "just so" in order to "prove" that life can spring from non-life...so there's still life involved. Have you created life from non-life? Have you personally performed the experiments? If so, tell us about your experiments instead of just telling us what you've read about it...but wait...that would be cheating, because as someone who lives, that means that you (life) made non-life make life. When "science" has observed abiogenesis happening naturally without their influence, then that would be worth bringing up. So, until then...well...there will be no "then".
    God created man, God created the animals, God created the earth, and God created everything...by speaking them into existence...in days...not millions/billions/trillions/polka-dot-dillions of years. His words did it all. Did you know that God's word is more important to him than even his name? Yes, it is. It says so...in his word. So when you say the name God and hold it in reverence...God holds his word in even higher reverence than his name and you should do the same. :)
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from DaveW in Evolution Evangelism   
    God's word records several times; in which, the apostle Paul shared his salvation testimony with others...and by default, his testimony has been shared with the world.  :)
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from DaveW in Evolution Evangelism   
    God's word disagrees with you...
     
    Psalms 66:16 - Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul.
    Psalms 71:14-15 - But I will hope continually, and will yet praise thee more and more. My mouth shall shew forth thy righteousness and thy salvation all the day; for I know not the numbers thereof.  
    Psalms 119:46 - I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.
    Acts 20:24 - But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
    Luke 8:39 - Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

    2 Timothy 1:8 - Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from DaveW in Evolution Evangelism   
    God's word disagrees with you...
     
    Psalms 66:16 - Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul.
    Psalms 71:14-15 - But I will hope continually, and will yet praise thee more and more. My mouth shall shew forth thy righteousness and thy salvation all the day; for I know not the numbers thereof.  
    Psalms 119:46 - I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.
    Acts 20:24 - But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
    Luke 8:39 - Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

    2 Timothy 1:8 - Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from DaveW in Evolution Evangelism   
    God's word records several times; in which, the apostle Paul shared his salvation testimony with others...and by default, his testimony has been shared with the world.  :)
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