beameup

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  • Bio I was saved in a Conservative Baptist church in 1962 and attended BIOLA (Bible Institute of Los Angeles) shortly thereafter. I agree, for the most part, with Dr. Peter Ruckman; however, I am not a "Ruckmanite", per se.

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  1.  You are mischaracterizing.  The Kingdom was promised to Israel.  The Gospel of Grace has no "message" of a Kingdom on earth, in order to be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Cor 15 The false teaching is telling someone that they are "Spiritual Israel" and that God's Kingdom is already on the earth, and Jesus is "ruling from heaven". Of course Paul went to the synagogue, because that was the ekklesia (assembly, often translated "church"), because there was no official "meeting place" for Gentiles (except the pagan temples).  Eventually, "house churches" were established, but records exist that show that many synagogues were "mixed" (ie: included some Yeshua believers) as late as the 3rd century. Again, it is wrong to present the Gospel to sinners by informing them that they must believe in and will belong to a Kingdom on the earth.  That is why the "Lord's Prayer" is unnecessary, as it was a message that was presented to Israel (see Mat 6, Luke 11).  The "destiny" of the Body of Christ is HEAVEN.  The "Earthly Kingdom" (still) belongs to Israel. (see Isa 60, 61, 62 etc.) Apparently, some are essentially calling Paul a LIAR, because he tells us that the Gospel revealed to him was revealed directly to him by Jesus and that hitherto, it had been a mystery that was unknown. Romans 16:25, Col 1:26  But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.  Galatians 1:11-12 BTW, "those that are afar off" is a reference to the Jewish diaspora.  Peter's message was directed at Jews and concerned the Kingdom. δέ εἰ τὶς ἀγνοέω ἀγνοέω    
  2. The Kingdom

    For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10 Christ lived and died "under the law".  John the Baptist was beheaded long before the crucifixion.  Jesus never "broke the Law" (of Moses). δέ εἰ τὶς ἀγνοέω ἀγνοέω
  3. The Kingdom

    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  Matthew 5:17
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    But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.  Galatians 4:4-5  Jesus' ministry was "under the Law".   Some have forgotten that Jesus (much) later appeared to Paul and gave him the revelation of the mystery, a mystery that until that time was unknown and not revealed in the O.T. How that by revelation he [Jesus] made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Eph 3:3-6 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:  Col 1:26-27   Now, during the Kingdom (Millennial Reign of Messiah) - during the next "dispensation" - the Gentiles on the Earth will come to Israel to worship the King.  Israel will then be "a light unto the Gentiles". And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.  Isa 49:6
  5. "Mark Them"

    Paul: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark [ skopeō ] them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.  Romans 16:17 Paul: Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark [ skopeō ] them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.  Philemon 3:17 skopeō - to look at, observe, contemplate  [as in to "scope out", observe] Note: skopeō does not mean vile personal, or verbally abusive attacks and name-calling Luke 6:14b "out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."
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    I do understand that "Reformed" - "Covenant" Theology does lead one to believe that the "Church" has "replaced" Israel, and hence, that all of Israel's promises now belong to the "Church".  I really do understand your position. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Romans 10:4-5   But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise - [Romans 10:6a]  But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - [Romans 10:8-9] 
  7. The Kingdom

    Please read chapters 60-61-62 of Isaiah to get the "big picture". The ENTIRE Nation of Israel will be "Priests of the LORD"  - Isaiah 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.  
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    Isaiah 61:4-7 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them. Isaiah 60, 61, 62 concern the Kingdom of God on the earth, located in Israel   Isaiah 61:1-2a The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD -- Jesus announcing that the Kingdom of God was "at hand". Luke 4:18-19  
  9. Thanks. That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.  Romans 15:16 And Paul was a minister to the uncircumcision --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began  Romans 16:25 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;  Ephesians 3:3-5
  10. I agree with most of what you are saying here.  There was a one-year "grace period" from the resurrection to the stoning of Stephen due to the "ignorance" of Israel.  After that, Paul was saved and the gospel of grace through faith alone was gradually revealed to Paul over a period of years.  The gospel announcing the coming King and Kingdom "died out" due to lack of interest on the part of national Israel.  However, the Gospels contain information and instructions for some yet-future Israeli Jews who will be believers in the Kingdom (see Mt. 24 & 25, for example).  I personally would place Revelation in this category as well.  As for the "olive tree" analogy, it all depends on how you interpret the meaning of: "partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (ie: how far you carry the "analogy" in Romans 11:17-21). Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. God bless
  11. Peter is identified as the apostle to the circumcision [Gal 2:7].  He wrote to his brethren.  In this case, Peter is reminded of the promise of God to Israel: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:6  Had Israel repented as a Nation, this would have literally been fulfilled at that time upon Messiah's return. "Assuming" that there is only one group of "elect" and that that is the Body of Christ, and that the entire N.T. is addressed only to "the church" is an error that dates back to the 4th Century Catholic Church.  God has a separate "agenda" for Israel and it will come to pass when God sets up his earthly Kingdom. But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;  Galatians 2:7 1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [parepidēmos] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, parepidēmos - one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives - these are the diaspora of Jews he is writing to.    
  12. Scientists are now breathing life into the concept of chimeras by creating organisms containing the cells of humans and animals. Several teams in the US are inserting human tissue into early pig and sheep embryos. The journal MIT Technology Review estimates that 20 such hybrid embryos have been produced, an early proof-of-principle step towards growing human organs inside animal tissue. The hybrid embryos have been observed in early development but, crucially, are never brought to term. The Salk Institute in California, together with the universities of Stanford and Minnesota, are among the institutions pioneering the as-yet-unpublished research.  http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0e5b229c-bb8a-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb.html#axzz3zOfCMpDb For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.  Matthew 24:24 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.  Mark 14:22  
  13. Hebrews 6

    I think that the shallow "drive-by" poster has already added his two-cents.  Shallow posters like that are simply desiring attention, as their responses are very limited in intellect and they never have any meaningful Original Post to offer. The book of Hebrews was written to the religious leaders in Jerusalem.  It is written in very refined Koine Greek, designed for rather formal and official communication.  This would seem to indicate that the author was highly respected in the Temple leadership, possessing a very refined and well organized communication skills.  Essentially, the first 12 chapters are written as a sermon, to be formally delivered at synagogue.  The last chapter seems to have been "added on" and does not bear the same standard as the previous portion. Hebrews gives tremendous insight into what was going on at the highest levels of the Hebrew Religion in Jerusalem.  It must have been a time of tumultuous  debates going on there in Jerusalem that first decade after the resurrection.  So, in that respect, the author is encouraging those who accepted Yeshua Messiah as the King of Israel, that they should persevere against the majority of self-righteous "religious" leaders who were suffering from pride, which was preventing them from repenting and accepting Yeshua Messiah. The result of national repentance and salvation would have brought about the return of Yeshua Messiah and the setting-up of the Millennial Kingdom. δέ εἰ τὶς ἀγνοέω ἀγνοέω
  14. Man-made DNA

    Since gene-splicing is becoming highly advanced, it is no doubt that Satan will send his "last batch" of fallen angels to the earth during the Tribulation to utilize this technology.  We know from Genesis 6 that genetic hybrids were created by the fallen angels mixing with human women, which resulted in the half-human/half-angel nephilim.  Many have trouble understanding that angels could have DNA, but I do not. Of course we don't know all the "technology" that was available pre-flood, but mixing species by gene-splicing is a common practice today. The human genome is already being manipulated in the name of science (and to "cure" diseases).  As it was in the days of Noah...
  15. The Kingdom

    Yea, it's pretty straight-forward.  Prior to Augustine, it was universally understood to be fallen angels bene Elohim (or called "Watchers" in the Book of Enoch). The reference in Genesis 6 is "the sons of God" cohabiting with "the daughters of Men" bath 'adam                                                                    [     angels could eat and drink in the O.T. and were the objects of sexual-desire by the Sodomites, which tells us that they could "materialize" on earth] The older view, held nearly unanimously by ancient writers prior to Augustine of Hippo, is that the Benei Ha'Elohim (Sons of God) or The Watchers were fallen angels in extra-Biblical traditions. While there has always been a minority of churchmen who followed this view The view posited by St. Augustine in the fourth century is that the Sons of God refers to the god-fearing line of Seth; and the daughters of men refers to the daughters of the unbelieving line of Cain.  http://creationwiki.org/Bene_Elohim 4th Century Catholic Church doctrine still has tremendous influence on doctrine today.  A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.  Gal 5:9 δέ εἰ τὶς ἀγνοέω ἀγνοέω