"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." 1The 4:13-18 I dunno, these seem to be pretty much the same thing. Or is it Rev 14:14-16 you're talking about? "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped." This looks more like, I don't know, the removal of the church to me, not destruction. Destruction takes place with the angel after this. Here Jesus reaps from the earth His wheat, which is what believers are likened to in Matthew. The angel then reaps the vine of the earth, grapes, which then go into the winepress of the wrath of God, which is the beginning of the final falling of God's wrath on the unsaved in yet the future. Both the events in 1Thes and Rev 19 comprise of the same elements: Jesus in the cloud, gathering to Himself that which is His; an angel's loud voice, even the last trump, the seventh trumpet had sounded shortly before this occursd. They are the same event.
By the way, ome DO agree with it-in looking at a site specifically about preterism, a preterists page, they claimed that everything in scripture has already been accomplished, even the coming of the new heaven and new earth, the rapture and resurrection, everything, there is nothing to go anymore. Which is weird, if this is as good as it gets. I guess that's full preterism.
That's not what I'm saying-I am well aware of the historical fact of the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. What I don't agree with, however, is this this is fulfillment of either the coming of Christ in the air to resurrect the dead in Christ, and then those who are alive and remain. Nor do I believe this is fulfilment of Zechariah 14 or Revelation 19.
Bing such a small church in a small area, we don't do much, aside from, in service, singing a couple songs, prayer, announcements and preaching. We celebrate the Lord's Supper each month, have our mid-week service, which is just a couple songs, Bible study and prayer, and that's about it. Most evangelism is personal, because, again, a concerted effort in the neighborhood would only take a few weeks of Fridays or Saturdays and we'd be done. Also, since there's so little here, most people leave on the weekends, so not many to evangelize. So word of mouth, and whatever local events I can get to, and we talk with folks and tell them about the word and the Lord. We also have opporunities to do some witnessing through our farm. So, not much in the way of traditions
We do a little stockpiling, but not for 'the big one". No, because of where we live, a wildfire, which are common out here, or a sufficient storm, (expecting a big El Nino and potential flooding), could effectively cut us off. So keeping some food and supplies, just in case, in common sense out here. And we do have plenty of Bibles. We just bought a dozen for the church, so got plenty of new ones. We had to buy some, because we keep our church Biblies in a cabinet in the building we rent for Sundays, and AA uses the building, too, and it seems they have been helping themselves to the Bibles. We don't make a big deal of it, because if there's one thing they need, its God's word.
I suppose my primary point was that Jesus didn't come in the clouds in 70AD. I made some suppositions that I really didn't hold to, just throwing some stuff around. My point being, if Jesus came in 70AD, and effectivel, as I assume preterism teaches, oversaw the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, or that it is attributed to Him and associated with Him coming in the clouds, then it is specifically opposite of what the Bible says othewise about His coming in the clouds, and when Jesus comes back to earth to SAVE Jerusalem. Destroying jerusalem is the opposite of saving Jerusalem. I think I got off into a tagent, more than I meant to.
And yet, Jesus, as suffering Lamb and Servant is resurrected as the Lord of the vineyard, being also God Almighty. So in this, the same Jesus, before death, and post-resurrection, could be the well-beloved son AND the Lord of the vineyard. In Zechariah 14, who is it that will come and stand upon the mount of Olives to fight in battle? Zechariah refers to Him as, (in the kjv), "LORD", which we know to be the name of God. But if this is the same incident as we read in rev 19, then this is, indeed, Jesus Chrst, who IS the LORD God. So that Jesus, pre-death, could be the Son, and post-resurrection, could be Lord of the vineyard, is no great stretch.
Then what you are suggesting is that Jesus came a whole other time. No, I suspect that this was fulfilled when the husbandmen, the Pharisees and all the Jews present, killed Christ, the Son, and He came back three days later and sent His disciples into all the world. Though many of the Jews believed and were saved, notice that, on Pentecost, a majority were from all over the world. Jesus told them they would be witnesses to Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the uttermost parts of the earth-hence, the kingdom was, at that point, given to everyone, and the work was going out of Israel, not in to them.
The wonderful thing about a yoke, is it is made for two-we don't bear it alone-it is HIS yoke, and while we wear it, HE bears it. jesus has MUCH bigger, stronger shoulders than we could ever hope to have.