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  1. Helping Kids Adjust

    All, I truly appreciate the input.
  2. Helping Kids Adjust

    Any of you who have children and have gone through a move, I would sincerely appreciate any input you might have on this one... We just moved to Las Vegas about 3 weeks ago and are still getting settled a little bit. One of my biggest challenges is my 3-yr-old. In San Antonio he absolutely loved going to church and being in his Sunday School class and Mother's Day Out class. Since we moved it is an absolute fight (with massive tears and screaming) to get him to go. He doesn't want to make new friends here because Las Vegas isn't San Antonio and he has decided he's not going to like it. It's heartbreaking and frustrating at the same time. On the one hand I know that he needs to go and interact with other kids to make friends and learn to love our new church. On the other hand I can't help but wonder if I'm setting him up to resent or even hate church (and therefore God?) by forcing him to go every time instead of letting him come to my class or "big church" with me. I'm just kind of at a loss right now on how to handle him.
  3. Evolution Evangelism

    True, true, and true. The big problem is that according to "secular scientists" they get to claim their "gospel" as fact as if they're teaching a science class. So many people, Christians included, have already compromised their foundational beliefs to make room for Darwinism and all of its related made-up storylines. They've compromised with ridiculous explanations such as theistic evolution or progressive creation or whatever and have unwittingly conceded the battleground in full. Christians need to understand (and teach their children to understand) that it's either God and the Bible or Darwin and evolution. They are mutually exclusive faith systems.
  4. Evolution Evangelism

    Unfortunately, atheistic evolution is the religion of just about any public school system and it carries over into most universities, including many "Christian" universities.
  5. Insects and the Flood

    I'm perfectly calm. I'm truly sorry if my post came across otherwise. On viruses being evidence of God's judgment, I would have to give an emphatic yes, and here's why. Due to the inherent destructive nature of a virus (particularly on mankind, though I know there are viruses that affect non-humans), I cannot fathom a way in which it can be considered a part of a "very good" creation (Gen 1:31). Therefore, viruses must have been introduced after God had concluded His creative activity. The most logical place for their introduction would be sometime after the Fall when man was then decreed to die. If God could have introduced a virus after Creation week, then there is no reason He could not have done it anytime until now or anytime after.
  6. Insects and the Flood

    First, show me an example of proof that a virus spontaneously arose in a controlled environment and was definitely not a discovery of an already existing virus. Second, viruses are not living cells. It cannot reproduce itself without the presence of an actual living cell and has no source of power/energy. Third, since it is not a living creature in the way that bacteria, mammals, fish, or birds are, it presents to problem from a creationist/biblical perspective because God has not precluded Himself from introducing new viruses. In fact, it makes more sense that a plethora of new viruses would have been introduced as a judgment upon sinful man.
  7. Curiosity

    Here's what you're missing, Hebrews 6:4-6 is entirely a conditional statement to make a point about security of salvation and it is doing so to refute those who were saying that various good works were sufficient for salvation. It is not a statement of fact about anyone falling away. If you were able to fall away from salvation and regain it, then your salvation would be entirely dependent up on you and not Christ and it becomes a salvation by works and not faith. That is in direct contradiction to Eph 2:8-9, and so it is a completely false notion because Scripture cannot contradict itself. Let me ask you this: Who saved you? Did Jesus save you or did you save yourself? If Jesus did it, what makes you think you can undo something He did? If you did it, why would you need Jesus at all? Here's another point: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:14-15) "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:28) "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will no wise cast out." (John 6:37) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." (Rom 6:23) How long is eternal life? It's forever. If it can be lost and/or regained then it is not eternal, it's temporary. Salvation is not conditional. A gift, by definition, carries no cost to the recipient and cannot be earned. It can only be accepted or rejected and the Giver will not take it away."   "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom 10:13) Romans 10 (and Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21, John 3:14-16, etc. for that matter) does not say "might be saved." It says "shall be saved." If you can lose your salvation then these verses are flat out wrong because it would no longer be a certainty. It'd be a "maybe if you're good enough and believe your whole life you could be saved perhaps..." That's not what the Bible says. Biblical salvation begins with faith and ends with Jesus Christ in eternity apart from anything you do or say. I don't say any of this to comfort you. If you get comfort from it, that is all well and good because it should comfort any believer. I say it because it is fact. If a professing Christians "falls away," they had head knowledge of the truth and rejected it, but never had the heart knowledge and faith needed for salvation. A person cannot lose his/her salvation because it is not his/hers to give or take away. Period.
  8. Curiosity

    As said above, there no losing your salvation. You either had it and have it eternally or you never had it at all. "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Heb 6:4-6) "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." So as a believer you are in Christ's hands which are in God's hands.  Talk about security! Even you cannot remove yourself from them if that's where you are.
  9. The Prodigal Son

    I'll be honest with you, the struggle against all of the fleshly sins you indulged in before being saved are going to be a temptation for the rest of your life. The Adversary will always be using that to try to draw you back away from God and make you an ineffective Christian. His tactic with Christians is if he can't keep you out of Heaven, he'll do everything he can to keep you from helping other people get in. One thing you have to realize is that a large part of what you're experiencing is spiritual warfare. You do not have the ability within yourself to win in it, but through God's enablement you can get through anything. The good news is that it does get easier, my friend. The more you read and study your Bible, pray, and learn to constantly walk in the Spirit, the more you will find these temptations have less power in your life. Spiritual growth is a process and won't happen overnight. Take it one victory at a time and give God the glory. I'll leave you with the following "formula" of principles: "Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you" (James 4:8a) - You're only as close to (or far away from) God as you want to be. "Resist the devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7b) - The devil isn't eager to tangle with God and one of His adopted sons, he's just hoping you'll be an easy target and roll over. A little resistance goes a long way. "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Rom 12:2a) - Becoming more like Christ means you have to change the way you think. It starts in the heart and continues in the head. "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners..." (Psa 1) - The things you let into your mind through your eyes and ears will greatly influence the temptations you face and the decisions you make. Guard them both closely. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13) - You're not going it alone. There are other Christians with the same struggle you can lean on and God has promised that there is always a way out if you're eyes are open to resisting the temptation. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9) - You're going to mess up because you're still in your earthly body that's stained and corrupted with sin. The important thing is that you immediately run back to God, humbly confess it, and ask forgiveness.
  10. Why King James Only?

    Another book that will explain all of your manuscript/text questions as well as the faith in God's preserved Word perspective and likely cement your stance on it is Forever Settled by Jack Moorman. You can buy the print copy or you can read the PDF version for free at (or google "forever settled pdf").  
  11. After the Tribulation

    Same here, I do enjoy the discussion. Although, I think we've strayed from the topic. To continue, perhaps it should be moved to its own thread or debate forum. I don't like derailing a thread and splitting into to topics. It makes things hard to follow. I once read a book from Zondervan's Counterpoints series called The Rapture: Pretribulation, Prewrath, or Posttribulation that was a fascinating reading. Each author gives arguments for their position and are responded to by the other two in turn. The issue is such that there is a lot of wiggle room in interpretation, and I think that's probably intentional. Prophecy is always much clearer looking back on its fulfillment than it is trying to discern it beforehand. I imagine when it happens we'll all look back with amazement at how we missed the obvious. For my part, the only one I've completely ruled out is the post-trib position as indicated in the paper I sent you a while back. I haven't seen enough to completely rule out pre-wrath, though I do still strongly lean pre-trib because it makes so much more sense to me in the grand scheme of things.
  12. Could be as little as a few months or as many as 50 years depending on how long it stays submerged in water and the mineral content. But if a teddy bear and hat can be calcified (i.e. made into fossils) in our lifetime, I'm sure your goat is a great candidate to stump evolutionists soon.  
  13. Something they like to omit from the narrative is that fossilization, especially in a marine environment, requires rapid burial. I never see anyone try to explain how a whale was buried at all, much less rapidly, since they float upon death, without something like a catastrophic flood. It's laughable how many facts have to be ignored to make the evolution story work.
  14. After the Tribulation

    Mike, First, thanks for the thoughtful and engaging response. After considering your argument and double-checking your facts in multiple linguistic sources, I have to recant the conclusion of my previous post and agree that there are two harvests/reapings in view here (yes, I am capable of accepting instructive correction after all ). Thanks for bringing that nugget to my attention. However, I still do not see this passage as a clear and unequivocal description of the Rapture. There are 3 objections/problems I see... 1) There is nothing in the passage (that I currently see) to demand that the wheat being harvested is made up of pre-raptured believers as opposed to those saved in the Tribulation if there was a pre-tribulation Rapture. 2) I am not entirely convinced that the "one like unto the Son of man" in v. 14 is a specific reference to Jesus. This is partially because he takes direction to reap from an angel out of the temple (v.15), but Jesus takes command and direction from no one except God the Father. I understand that the same wording is used in Rev 1:13 to reference Jesus, but there it is accompanied by descriptive delimiters that echo Daniel's descript of God (Dan 7:9-10).  Additionally, while "Son of man" is a title given to Jesus, it is one that is intended to emphasize His humanity and is a title also given to prophets (Dan 8:17 and most of Ezekiel) as well to reference human lineage in general, often with a sense of limitation (Isa 51:12; Jer 49:18, 33, 50:40, 51:43; Heb 2:6). While the "Son of man" on a cloud may echo what we see in the Rapture as depicted 1 Thess 4, it also the common imagery used for the final Second Coming (Dan 7:13; Matt 24:30, 26:64; Mark 13:26, 14:62). Given that it is not unquestionably Jesus on the cloud and that if it was there is nothing to distinguish it from the Second Coming, I cannot yet view this as a definitive reference to the Rapture. 3) The imagery used here for harvesting wheat is dissimilar from the imagery used in the 1 Thess 4 description of the Rapture. In Rev 14:14-16, the wheat is cut down wholesale and gathered. Perhaps there is a separation of wheat from tares at this point (which is not specified and so must be read in), but the harvesting of wheat implies some type of death (cf. John 12:24 on the death of the harvested wheat). In contrast 1 Thess 4:13-18 depicts not death, but resurrection and immediate translation from one life into the next. The believers of the Rapture are not cut down and gathered, they are simply called up by Jesus to meet Him in the air. Given these three reasons, I remain unconvinced that Rev 14:14-20 describes the Rapture.
  15. After the Tribulation

    As a pre-tribber, though probably not an expert, I'll address it... When you look at Rev 14:14-20, there are two possibilities: 1) The reaping in v. 16 is different from the reaping in v. 19. - If this is the case, you might be correct that it refers to the Rapture, though you would be hard-pressed to exegetically support a hard distinction between subject and purpose of the two reapings in context because nothing is ever done with whatever is reaped in v. 16. 2) The passage describes only one reaping - If this is the case, it most certainly cannot describe the Rapture of true believers because they who are reaped are thrown into the winepress of God's wrath (v. 19). This would conflict with 1 Thess 5:9, which I believe we agree says that Christians will not partake of God's wrath. I lean towards option 2 because it fits the natural flow of thought better. The reaping in v. 16 does not specify anything beyond harvesting the vine. Indeed, the word it's translated from (therizo) can be taken to include gathering of what is harvested and storing it, but it is not a necessary component of the word. Rather, it is specific to mean cutting down of the vine/tree/branch. Even the English word "reap" is definitely a cutting down and non-gathering activity when applied to an agricultural context. In contrast, the "gathering" in v. 19 speaks of no reaping, but rather of gathering the crop and transporting it to the winepress. Additionally, the angel with the sharp sickle is merely cutting the grapes off the vine and not cutting down the vine. What I believe we see here is Jesus cutting down the vine (reaping) and the angel gathering the grapes from the vine for the wrath of the winepress. Finally, there is nothing contextually to demand that believers are in view for vv. 14-20. It is a distinct and separate segment of thought from the believers in vv. 12-13. Based on all of that, I do not view Rev 14:14-20 as a description of the Rapture.