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  1. I say good riddance to him
  2. Interesting. I think you will find most (there is that word again) on this forum will agree with you. James and Paul both simply echo and rephrase the teaching of our Lord in all the Gospels. The only saving faith is that which produces works for God. No works (no interest in baptism or the milk of the Word, or growth, or sanctification, etc.), no saving faith....period. What new born baby fresh out of their mother's womb does not want milk immediately? Multiple millions claim faith in our Lord but very few demonstrate faith to our Lord. The Gospels and Epistles all proclaim this truth that is so often ignored. In every instance of the faith hall of fame of Hebrews 11 the saving faith was demonstrated to God by works. How many times did Jesus tell people though-out the Gospels not to "tell Me" but to "show Me". Example: No man having put his hand to the plough and looking back (at their old life), is FIT for the Kingdom of God. The early churches fell quickly into the apostasy of "dead faith" or what we call easy believe-ism/easy prayerism and this is what God used James to correct. Sadly apostates even within IFB circles continue to spread this unrepentant "gospel". It amazes me that many times the lost (who don't want to hear it) seem to know naturally what supposed "Christians" don't know about the true Gospel. It will change their hearts, minds, attitudes and their lives in every aspect. Enter satan who taught IFB "soulwinners" to dance around that to simply get a quick prayer out of people so they can report baloney numbers to each other or to falsely console themselves over lost loved ones. They actually have replaced Christ's teaching completely and are spreading a false (albeit easy) substitute for the Gospel. It is a cost counting substitute that Christ warned everyone about repeatedly throughout the Gospels. These "soulwinners" sell a quick prayer and never mention the necessity of baptism and discipleship. Christ's command to us is another of the hidden 3 in 1's in the Bible. Faith, baptism and growth to Christlikeness. Anything short of that is failure. Failure as in the parable of the sower's 3 failures to one true conversion. Why do they not include baptism and growth, you ask? because they don't want to know the reactions and answers to that from these false converts. They sold this person the all you have to do is say these words "gospel". This way they can report large numbers and look like a hero to the rest of their church. It is TARES trying to make more TARES IMO. Not so much many of the ignorant members but those in authority that teach this method of witnessing (despicable heresy). The world calls being born again things like: Finding religion or finding Jesus or becoming a Jesus freak or a Bible Thumper or a holy roller. They know it changes the person's life, the devils know it changes a person's life, God most assuredly knows it changes people's lives. Seems everyone knows it except modern professing "Christians". Mental acknowledgement of the Gospel produces no works for sure. Saving faith in the Gospel produces works without exception. One sows, another waters BUT ONLY GOD GIVES THE INCREASE. Prayerfully and carefully witness with gravity and tears and let the lost say to you "what must I do to be saved". You know, treat all people like you would your own relatives. Who sells their loved ones an un-convicted prayer?
  3. Very interesting, I wonder how many other hidden-in-plain sight trinities there are in the Word. I am thinking of a couple but it would need a new thread I reckon.
  4. HA, now that is a good point that I have never considered.
  5. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. There will not be many (if any) earthly rich, many beautiful, many powerful people in God's Kingdom. Through God's omniscience this is a theme throughout Scripture. Reason being that these people via free will are not poor in spirit. They are full of the pride of life and their hearts are almost never "good ground" for God or the Gospel. There is no fear of God in their eyes. They have received already, their consolation.
  6. Miss, I get it, I have been caring for a 15 year old grandson for many years. There is no Heavenly reward for doing what the heathen do naturally (taking care of family). He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. Stop worrying over the world and injustice. Living in America means you are rich beyond measure compared to 90% of the world regardless of your income bracket. Lose your care for social problems and government, pick up the cross DIE TO SELF and follow HIM. Live the rest of your life trying to spare all people you come across from hell.
  7. Miss, You will not be judged on what happens with the government or the world. YOU WILL BE JUDGED ON WHETHER YOU LOST YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD AND PICKED UP YOUR INDIVIDUAL CROSS AND FOLLOWED HIM. Follow Jesus in your individual small part of the world and you will be rewarded. Wasting your time with what is not in your control is a waste of your God given time to prove yourself to God.
  8. Looking forward to HS' reply but while waiting, a thought came to mind, I pray it edifies: All newborn babes grave mother's milk immediately after birth and are insatiable in appetite as they initially grow; so should a newborn Christian be with the Word of God. Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (more references back to Christ's teachings in the Gospels as in all the Epistles). As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: God makes this analogy for a clear reason in righteous judgment for us. If our "converts" don't grave the Word of God right away after trusting Christ, go back to the drawing board and keep praying and explaining the Gospel to them. We should not be tempted to push assurance of salvation on them. Just as we must not be tempted to sell them an empty prayer. That is how tares are made IMHO.
  9. I will definitely be praying for you sir
  10. I am sorry boss; Somehow, I think it would make it harsher that way, but I will stop it now.
  11. Argument solved, thanks Brother A wretched he BTW
  12. The distinction and critical error your preachers have made with this is applying it to the gospels. What distinctions your pro and con list make are unrelated to the Christ's Gospel period And Matthew is hardly the Gospel to the Jews only. That is ruckmanite doctrine and not Bible. Christ's Gospel is repeated in all 4 Gospels whether Kingdom of Heaven or God. He gives the same commands. Whatever makes your flesh feel good in your religion is the name of your game obviously and your ears are stopped My intent is you warn you only. What you do with it is your business.
  13. This idea about the Kingdom of Heaven referring only to Jews 2000 years into the future is in-explainable, hyper-dispensational cost counting. It is commentary false doctrine and not Scriptural. I realize you did not come up with it but are teaching it just the same. The Kingdom of Heaven and God are used interchangeably across all 4 Gospels. One parable in Matthew says Heaven the same parable in Luke says God. That alone is enough to dismiss this fantasy. But the fact that our Lord preached this firstly to all His present day disciples to be preached by them and so on until the end of the world marks this teaching as false completely. The Words of Christ are the results of saving faith but mean little to anyone who counts the costs of Scriptural salvation. Please study Luke 14:26-35 The only Gospel is what Christ preached. A false gospel is one that substitutes repentance with a quick prayer followed by constant assurance of salvation because they said the words, then lists of do and don't for christians after being talked into a prayer, then fed a list of what you can keep of the world in your life a what you cannot keep of the world in your life. That gospel (so prevalent in even IFB churches) is not the real Gospel. Any gospel other than Christ's Gospel is a false Gospel. And there exists only one Gospel message in Scripture. In these last days, other gospels have transformed the true Gospel preached by our Lord and commanded by Him to be preached to all future believers into a false religion of mental ascent and new religious law. These rules never come close to a crucified life in which a believer actually leaves their care for this world behind and follows Him in every aspect of life. This false Gospel not only condones worldly ambition, it encourages gain as Godliness; it encourages natural instincts like self defense, carrying firearms and participation in worldly temporal pass-times, hobbies and sports. None of which have anything whatsoever to do with following Christ or eternal reward. The desire to move on unto perfection is the fruit of saving faith and the Spirit. It takes growth and learning but the message should always be in the heart of the true believer and they strive the rest of their lives to this perfection. Please prayerfully consider what hell for eternity truly is and if you do you may understand better what Christ's saves us from. Christ's words will make much more sense to you. It should also prove that nothing temporal in this world should be any concern to us At worst these false teachers are tares/goats and will hear "I never knew you" which is certainly in the context of our Lord's sermon. At best these false teachers will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. They want fire insurance of course but they count the costs and it is very clear anyone who doesn't desire and strive to surrender all is counting the costs. Doesn't mean we will succeed, even the most sanctified will fail more than succeed, but we will constantly and prayerfully strive to be like HIM. And most importantly, we won't teach others not to be. This is the saddest statement of all my friend. Do you realize you are calling our Lord a coward? He preached this the loudest and strongest of all. And lived it and then commanded we live it and preach it. The mark of a true coward is one who worries over what others think of them in this life and not what the Lord thinks of them. They are scared to be crucified with Christ. They are scared to be truly different from the world (it is ok with the world to be religious but never ok to be a Disciple of Christ). They are scared to be despised and ridiculed of men for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. They worry over the world, their self worth, their toys and trinkets, their worldly image to others and reputation, their money and pleasing their wives and children with worldly things, pressing their children to worldly goals and ambitions. Sure they follow the rules given to them after constant reassurance of salvation to attend 3 times a week, read a couple of chapters a day, pray for a few minutes before work and tithe. They love their new cozy religion once they get the rules down pat and are now used to living that way. That is the exact opposite of what Christ preached. In reality it is the condemnation Christ preached against the pharisees. It is little more than a self satisfying, part time religion. Of course, self defense was only a small part of Christ's preaching and only the tip of the iceberg. The true believer should want to grow and should want to see that they have no self satisfying future in this life which is but a vapor and our only testing ground for God to see if you truly believe and are not simply a "hearer of the Word" only. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. Oh but they are still in church following religious rules fed to them by wolves. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. It is my prayer that all will see the difference between the true Gospel and that typical easy prayerism gospel so prevalent today everywhere including IFB churches. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
  14. Doesn't surprise me a bit.
  15. I am afraid it is blatantly contradictory to believe that Jesus even excuses, much less condones or encourages or commands violence to any other human being down here for any reason. Quoting OT and 2nd Coming passages have nothing whatsoever to do with you or me living down here, in or out of their context. There are hundreds of completely ignored passages contained in the Gospels that describes what salvation results in for a true believer, I will only quote a small portion from only the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew with the prayer others may understand: Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Those that are not - won't be there (there is NEVER a middle ground with God) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Those that are not - won't Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Those that are not - won't Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Those that are not - won't be called that Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Those that are not or simply refuse to allow any persecution won't see the Kingdom of Heaven Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. When one is born again, they are to want to lose their life in this world and be crucified with Christ. IE. your worldly reputation, your standing in society, your ambitious prosperity, even your family. You are a Christian 24/7 and in all circumstances. So there is not and will not be any time in your remaining physical life where it is OK to not follow these commands. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Here is the revealing part you need to study before it is too late. It is all in the context of the Sermon on the Mount. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? The Lord clearly states to turn the other cheek. So if your pastor or commentary says you can defend yourself and carry arms; does that match in any way what our Lord says? Of course not and below is what the Lord says about these men (ravening wolves): Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. The good fruit is the context of this passage which is the Sermon on the Mount. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I know most everyone on this site has always been taught that this refers to some chaff like catholics. But that is not the context. The context is referring to many, many IFB pastors I have known over the years. I recommend caution when declaring your rights to defend yourself, your family and your home. You are supposed to be the salt of the earth. The example of what a Spiritually awakened person is to the world. A product of the Gospel (the real Gospel) not the Lord Lord one. You and I were saved to become the exact opposite of what everyone else is in the world. To swallow our pride and self worth and machismo, pick up the Cross and be crucified with Him. Noone needs to be taught or encouraged to defend themselves or their homes and families, the natural man knows exactly how to do that and does it by fleshly instinct. Jesus teaches clearly that His people are to turn their backs on their fleshly instincts and be like Him. Remember the Words of our Lord and do your best to forget the preacher and commentary doctrines you have been raised on. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. The Spirit of Christ is painstakingly revealed to all of us in the Gospels. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Luke insertion here of the same sermon from our Lord) We need to all ask ourselves daily whether our new life and the church we attend are built on the ROCK or on sand. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: I know many won't like any of this but many need to hear it, me included - every day.