wretched

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  1. The omniscience of God is the answer you miss my friend. The overwhelming weight of Scripture from cover to cover clearly proves that all people were born with and all angels were created with total and complete free will. There would have never been the first sins in Heaven and on earth if God controlled everything. Please reread the passages you quoted only this time, reread them with the truth of God's foreknowledge of all things and not His manipulation of all things. If done honestly you will see the truth of this matter. He sees all time at all times and knows all but rarely does He intervene except for His higher purposes and there have been times where importunistic prayer has changed His mind and other times where He entertained negotiation from servants to change His mind. (Moses at Mount Sinai; Abraham at Sodem; Nineveh repented after God already said He would destroy them in 40 days without caveat; Hezekiah for his own life, etc.) All God has ever wanted of man and angels was to be loved, praised and obeyed voluntarily. Certainly you can see this throughout Scripture? Not even the crucifixion was orchestrated by God. He knew that when He sent Him, He would be slain by foreknowledge. Acts.2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: calvinists are not hand picked and manipulated into anything against your own will. If a calvinist is born again, it is only because they responded in faith to God's drawing of their own free will. 1Pet.1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Please see that what you are claiming here is in fact making God's view of history your own view of history which is false and presumptuous. He knows exactly how much fruit we each will bring to perfection through obedience to God's commands to sow with tears and the power of His Spirit. However, if we cripple ourselves falsely from the start with this notion that God controls men's minds and hearts, we will never bear any fruit nor bring any to perfection. Any evangelism becomes merely academic, for show only and a stench in God's nose. Look at it this way friend, if God cannot force us to feed on His Word daily and lose our earthly ambitions completely to Him as saved people do you honestly think He forces anyone lost to believe to begin with? Why? So He can watch them disobey His commands again only now, the disobedience comes from HIS ELECT? Sadly this whole calvinite notion is ludicrous. Sounds like a broken record but I say it again x5. It seems telling to me that every calvin follower that I have run across follow men's writings more than God's Word. TULIP cannot be garnered from the Word, it can only be learned through men. The Scriptural proof texts given always confuse God's foreknowledge with His manipulation. stick with the Bible only, dump the heresies of men, start over again and let's saturate ourselves ONLY in the Word.
  2. But please consider the following: Eph.1:13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. There are numerous other passages like this. It is regeneration (born again) of the Spirit that indwells and that seals us until Heaven my friend. Backsliding is impossible for born again believers and this is why the word backsliding in any form does not appear in the NT. In the OT, backsliding never meant sins of the flesh and mind. Backsliding in the OT always meant turning of the heart from God to some other false god. It was the definition of adultery, a turning of the heart. NT Chrisitans can certainly fall back into sin but they never forget they are saved and who God is. Here is a contrast in experience that I have seen over many years: I know men and women and whole families that fall back into sin and out of church. Some many years but it simply destroys the life they had here on earth and they are miserable. Those either come back to the Lord at some point because they cannot stand the chastisement or they die from it. I have known others who do the same thing but don't come back to the Lord and when I do hear of them they were doing fine. According to: Heb.12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth: Heb.12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Who do you think between the two types truly believed? Just food for thought
  3. Oh dear friend, I know you don't want to see the truth of Scripture in this. I will bring it down to the intellectual level for you so you might hear it. I will use your own unScriptural ideas and see if they work with you. I already know they won't because whenever argument (contention) occurs it is always of the flesh, when the flesh is in control, the Spirit is quenched and there will be no help from the Lord for you. Without the Spirit, your so called "intellect" and wisdom of words are nothing. You appear to waste countless hours debating the heathen whether they are your relatives or not means nothing to God. They will not be your relatives in eternity regardless of where they end up so keep that in mind. Stop the arguing and go after others ALWAYS. Lock yourself into your closet and beg God for your relatives souls and stop trying to sell them something. Importunistic prayer for souls works and has nothing to do with calvinite heresy. The only way to convict sinners is prayer proceeding, during and after the Gospel.. PERIOD Not a single soul has ever been converted without prayer and Scripture. Bring your flesh into submission and pray as our Lord taught us to pray in Luke 11. Spiritless methods of argument which is all modern apologetics has ever been, never works. The few instances where it seemed to work there are always prayer factors going on for these people behind the scenes that your types have nothing to do with. It is never, ever one time been by wisdom of words. Now, show us all since you love to debate where Paul or any disciple in Acts 17 and 18 is preaching anything other than Christ crucified to these people? There is no argument, there is only Paul boldly preaching and many the Bible says believed. There is ZERO mention of arguing creation, the authority of Scriptures, whether God exists, etc... NOTHING. So like every reformed religious person, you get your false ideas of Acts out of some man's writings and not God. God's Word says and proves by example that it is impossible to serve God and spread His Gospel without prayer as the fuel in the tank. Lets take a closer look at Acts for a moment so perhaps you might finally get it. The chapters proceeding 17 and 18 gives us the key to victory with the Gospel, the chapters after Acts 17 and 18 are also full of prayer. These men prayed constantly for the Spirit's power to convict when they preached Christ and ONLY Christ to these heathen. And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all. Etc. Etc. Etc. I leave you with our Lord's example. If your relatives truly mean anything to you perhaps you will abandon your fruitless methods. How much they mean to you will be determined by how much you follow the Lord's example in the Gospels. See below how our Lord prepared Himself for the start of His Ministry on earth. Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
  4. Please reread my posts friend. Even now you are trying to win an argument and missing the point completely. It is NEVER by power or by might but ONLY by My Spirit, saith the Lord.
  5. Please don't be angry. What I tell people like this is always the same, sometimes they positively respond, sometimes they don't but that is the name of the business we are in. God never commanded us to save people. God commanded us to preach His Gospel. Since you ask of relatives or people close to me, the Gospel is well known by them for many years now. Some like to start arguments but I tell them that I pray for them day and night and beg God for them to open their hearts before it is too late. My close relatives I make sure see me begging God for them. We must rid ourselves of the unScriptural idea that we must try to win arguments with the lost. The Lord said to warn them day and night with tears but if we don't make this matter life and death to them (like they are in a burning building) then we appear weak in faith. I mean, we really do believe that we are saved from eternal torment in Hell where we would have weeped and wailed and gnashed our teeth for eternity, right? If we want to have intellectual arguments with the lost just for the sake of argument, what Gospel are we preaching? This is what I pray you consider.
  6. Hi, If I may, the issue is not whether God wants us to dumb down these issues, He doesn't want us wasting time at all teaching sighted subjects to the blind. The flesh wants to bypass the great commission and discuss anything but the Gospel of our Lord. There is not a single instance, example or precedent in the NT where our Lord, any Apostle or any disciple engaged in apologetics. That is a man made term, concept and "cause" for lack of a better word and is detrimental to the cause of Christ. Please keep in mind and relay to your son this passage below: Keeping in mind that defending the faith is preaching the Gospel. God neither wants or needs our apologetics. I Cor 1: 17-18 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. If they won't hear and obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they will not hear anything else. That must come first or their eyes and ears will forever remain shut to salvation. Attempting to open their eyes through systematic argumentation is not what the Spirit does. The Spirit convicts of sin, righteous and judgment to come via the Cross of Christ. In the calvinists defense however, it is much easier on the flesh to argue than it is to privately beg God for the souls of men and to go forth weeping, bearing precious seed. Please consider this.
  7. Hardly, can't go wrong with a S&W shield/MP compact or a bodyguard
  8. That is the mag tube extension he added
  9. Curious how you will keep pressure on those pressure switches and the trigger at the same time? That mounting tape will most likely mar the finish on your receiver also if resale value is a consideration. I recommend constant-on push button switches on the light and laser themselves to get rid of the chords which are likely to bind up your pump mechanism. Worse yet when under real stress, you will grab the chords with the forearm and rip the chords out the back of your light/laser as you attempt to pump. Pressure switches are never a good idea on a pump gun. Just some friendly recommendations from a former gunsmith.
  10. Who cares is the question again friend? There will be none of this nonsense in Eternity.
  11. australian, british, north, south.....who cares as long as our names are written in Heaven.
  12. Oh dear friend, this passage from I Timothy is not referring to self or family defense in its context in any way. Nor is Luke 22:36-40 referring to actual violence. It is yet another fulfillment of prophecy in which our Lord frequently declared in the Gospels during various situations. In this case the prophecy fulfilled is Isaiah 53: 9-12. "v. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." Our Lord was to be numbered with the transgressors. The swords made our Lord's arrest legal (at the time of arrest). Peter was rebuked by the Lord for using one of the swords and not over timing. Can't you see that? He did not come here the first time to destroy men's lives, but to save them. We are commanded to be like Him in these matters and point men to the Savior, not to destroy men's lives. Luke 22: 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. It wasn't nearly enough for the self defense of all of the disciples but it was enough for the arrest and fulfillment of Isaiah 53 I will say this once again and pray some will listen. It is blatantly contradictory to believe that Jesus even excuses, much less condones, encourages, or commands violence to any other human being down here for any reason. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." There is not and will not be any time in your remaining physical life where it is OK to resist evil or disobey any of our Lord's commands. To do so is sin, to teach others to do so will regulate us to LEAST IN HEAVEN. Matthew 5: 16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. v 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Carrying a pistol with the intent to shoot someone in self defense is not Bible Christianity. We were not spared eternal torment to continue to live under Adam's rules and mindset. The Gospel results in the exact opposite of the natural man. Please see the Sermon on the Mount. One could only pray to be slaughtered for Christ. If we truly believe the Gospel, we must then follow the Gospel and strive through the Word and prayer unto Christlikeness.
  13. Men or Christ is always the real issue in these debates. Remember the words God gave us through Paul: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" Don't ever be of a man for any accomplishment or publication. And yes, if a person follows their writings, purchases their writings and defends their writings - they are of that man. TULIP cannot be found in the Word of God, it can only be learned through men's writings. Regardless of which man teaches calvinism, our only goal in this life is to be like Christ. That is the Scriptural result of the new birth and is a huge part of the Gospel. Now if our goal is to be like macarthur, spurgeon or anyone else than keep studying their writings by all means. But and this is the point I pray is understood: If our goal is to be like Christ; stick with the Bible only, focus on the NT Gospels first to grasp all things whatsoever He taught His disciples, dump the confusing merchandise of men, start over again and let's saturate ourselves only in the Word. Whatever our "goal" in this life is - will settle the matter of our salvation. If we have any other goals "great or small, religious or otherwise" we must revisit the matter of our souls.