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wretched

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wretched last won the day on October 5 2016

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  1. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    Multitudes of individual Jews believed on our Lord during His Ministry and multitudes since. Our Lord and His Apostles were Jews. It was the governing Jews (national Israel) that denied our Lord, not all of the masses. We are to love, pray for and witness to individual Jews all the time. I realize through your testimony and avatar that you are a new believer so I am posting this to save you much disappointment years from now. Make sure you search the Scriptures daily to double-check your pastor's preaching (or whomever it is that influences you). The statements you made which I bolded, did not come from the Bible contextually. I won't take the time to give you hundreds of passages clearly supporting this post but I am sure a young believer like you can look them up yourself (just word search in any NT software the word Jew). God said through Paul "to the Jews first" so if God says it we better be saying it. God never retracted or changed this precept. My point is this friend, don't take anyone's word for God's Word...ever. Get with God's Word and His Spirit to check everything you see and hear and always realize that only God's Word is true, not necessarily your pastor regardless of how inspiring or bold he is. This is not a slight directed toward your pastor or influencer. What I mean is don't follow their words blindly assuming they are right simply because they claim some "calling" from God. Acts 17:11 One of the fastest methods to id wolves in sheep's clothing (even among IFB ranks) is how they use Scripture in topical sermons. If you catch them plucking passages out of their context to support a topic, when clearly that passage was not discussing said topic then be double-weary of everything they say from that point on. It matters not how noble or "righteous" their topic was. Remember: Check Double-Check then Re-Check
  2. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    Our Lord never said (to us) to repent of our sins. The Book of Revelation is the only book in the NT that mentions repentance of sins (specific deeds or actions) and is directed to the harlot and those who remain during the tribulation. In the case of Jordan's mother as with many people who are given the Scriptural Gospel, she understands from the Spirit of God that she will have a transformed life if she truly believes (no doubt Jordan's testimony has assisted with that). Much better to give the whole truth over time with tears instead of the cost counting, fake 123 gospel which saves no one. Tares (religious lost who are repeatedly assured of their salvation by false teachers) outnumber wheat 3:1 in most fundamental churches because of this cheapening. These same churches report thousands saved with 10 baptized because of this perversion. "But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and do works meet for repentance. Acts 26:20" "For Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation, not to be repented of." The Bible teaches secret fasting and prayer in cases like this which carry deep, personal burden. Paul was distraught over his own people and their lost state and lead many to salvation by intercessory prayer and fasting. Time and again as people were saved in the NT, they went to warn their own houses first. Jesus taught importunity if you want God's ear in hard matters such as this. (Luke 11). Won't be easy and will actually be the most difficult thing you will ever do. Not by words of fleshly wisdom but by His Spirit. How do we get the Spirit involved? By obeying Luke 11. Results will be based on the amount of sincere effort that is put into it (God's promise). Best to push yourself now than to suffer the tears of regret during the millennium.
  3. Refuting Verses of TULIP belief

    Wouldn't it make much more NT sense to see that God in these last days has chosen all men, whether Jew or gentile to come to Him (way too many passages to list), just as He did with Abraham as an individual. It was still a choice God gave to Abraham and absolutely dependent on Abraham's acceptance and obedience. Reformed theology relieves all people everywhere of their individual responsibility to believe the Gospel, it is contrary to every page of God's Word. What on earth would be the purpose of the Great White Throne if no one has a choice? What would be the purpose of Christ's life and ministry on earth in order to judge us all equally against His standard or if not, His Sacrifice on the Cross? Reformed is a false religion and not of the Lord my friend. It ignores reason and accountability and is basically a spiritual welfare program. Oh sure, it breeds intellectualism but that is one of its biggest unScriptural problems making its followers lovers of intellectual men rather than lovers of God. It is of the world and worships men and their studies more than Gods Word. Eph 1 is no battle cry for the reformed my friend, the reformed interpretation ignores the context and subject of the passage which is verses 4. 12-14. This passage has zero to do with any imaginary "hand picking" of saints.
  4. Refuting Verses of TULIP belief

    Ah but Invicta, Isn't it more accurate and thorough to look at Foreknowledge as "knowing beforehand" who will believe of their own free will because He can see when they do, not manipulating them to believe? The word references knowledge, not action. See the difference? Therefore the question of whether we can change it or not is irrelevant IMO.
  5. Lester Roloff

    No I get it Dave, confession with the mouth is calculable but i don't agree with the location reference. Not knowing where something came from or where it went after it happened is a more modern paraphrase and deals with time as well as location (like bat out of hell or speeding bullet or "came outta nowhere"). The passage cannot be referencing simply locations because that would make zero sense in the context. The Lord was revealing that belief in the heart is not calculable in John 3: 6-8 (only evidence of true belief is calculable). This ties in with other teaching of the Lord: 1Cor.3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. There goes the whole 123 repeat after me nonsense we see EVERYWHERE in these last days. The Lord is revealing that no one can see or claim or count the increase (not even the person believing at the time). The increase is only and always the Lords. This is why so many times we see people who say they believe, go forward, even in some cases get baptized but then in a blink of an eye, they are gone. We sold them some religion in Jesus's name and nothing more or a better way to say it is, we picked green fruit and tried to proclaim it "saved". I believe this is why so much emphasis, roughly 90% of the Gospels and Epistles discuss how a believer is to live demonstrating the transformation (fruit of the Spirit) that occurs. It is this renewing of the mind that makes us know we truly believed. Anyway, that's my take.
  6. Lester Roloff

    Wow friend, I appreciate your testimony and your response but have to say: Did you carefully read my post that you just quoted? If you did, you "should" see clearly what I was quoting from the Word. Jesus said that we cannot know the exact moment of regeneration, not me. Please take another look. In addition, I did not say your last line at all friend. The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God. We are in agreement on that last line. If one doesn't know they are saved, they are not. I was referencing the exact moment of regeneration. (check John 3: 6-8 I quoted)
  7. Lester Roloff

    I won't presume to speak for Bob but will mention a couple of thoughts for you to consider friend. Assurance of salvation can only come inside each person's heart. "The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God" Assurance can never truly come from others convincing or reiterating another's belief. In addition, no one can pin down a date or time when they were regenerated. They only know after it happened because their eyes are now opened and they now hunger for the Milk of God's Truth. Sure folks can remember when they recited a prayer or the words indicating belief and can remember when they professed Christ before men but not when they truly believed in the heart. It is at that split second that the Spirit gave them new birth. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. I am sensing that you maybe misunderstanding the point Bob and others are making in this thread. They are not implying repentance is a "work" but rather a state of one's heart (an attitude of sorrow seeking mercy). This attitude of repentance is brought on by the Gospel Scriptures. I wonder if this may be simply another argument on semantics.
  8. Lester Roloff

    Excellent assessment IMO. Roloff understood that conviction of the Spirit comes only from hearing the Scriptures and produces a broken and contrite spirit in the heart. Psalms 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Easy believe-ism has produced IMO 95% of the so called "saved" people in this country today (including most IFB big numbers churches). People who claim Christ as Savior but do not humbly Fear God because they are given a partial "gospel" of Good News when they have never heard the bad news of sin, righteousness and judgment to come first. These demonstrate no fearful sorrow seeking God's mercy. Sure they are active members of local churches but at the same time, full of the pride of life and self-satisfaction. Although He died for all to be saved & gives all the opportunity to be saved whether they admit it or not, He only loves those who humble themselves when they hear His Word and fear Him. This fear produces repentance which in turn produces regeneration of the Spirit which finally produces our love for Him because of His Great Mercy (never the other way around). We love Him because He first loved us and gave Himself a Ransom for us. The moral of this post is this: How can one benefit from the Good News when they are clueless to the bad news. Easy believe-ism truly is the most cleverly deceptive apostasy of all IMO and it is wildfire now in these final days.
  9. And the ark rested......

    And please also a thorough review brother. What is there to do and see and how did you like it?
  10. Homestead

    That is interesting.
  11. Questions About Lord's Supper and Confession

    Hey friend, since these horses has been beaten to death and raised repeatedly on here, click the activity tab, then just type in the words transubstantiation into the search feature, study the threads and then do the same with the word eucharist and you will be taught the correct doctrine on it. Then do the same with the word remitted. I suspect every question or argument you can imagine have already been answered by Scripture. The Lord also said He was the true vine, the door, the good shepherd, the chief cornerstone, etc...but the RCC couldn't find a pagan symbol or ritual to falsely apply to it. Our Lord spoke often allegorically and only the Holy Spirit can guide you into these true meanings. Without the new birth, you can never understand. If you are sincere and want to know God's truth you will study all that comes up, will see your need for salvation and won't need more explanations in regards to these roman pagan heresies.
  12. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    Why certainly He did friend: Matt 16: 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Matt 17: 23 Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: 23And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry. Luke 24: 6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8And they remembered his words Also Mark 10:34; Luke 9:22; Luke 18:33; Luke 24:46; Just because Peter and the other Apostles didn't understand it yet does not negate that the Lord taught it throughout the Gospels.
  13. I have a question

    Rosie, The best hint at the timing is contained in this passage which I mentioned earlier. The Judgment Seat has nothing to do with the death of believers. It has to do with the resurrection of believers. The resurrection of the just most likely will be at the catching away of the church because it is the only discernible and corresponding event that would make Scriptural sense: Those saved afterward during the trib are judged as they are martyred according to Rev 20. Luke 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: 14And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. I see no other cooresponding event in which this resurrection of the just is referring too apart from the rapture. Of course this may be incorrect but with what we have been given by God in His Word, there is no "knowable" alternative IMO. However, I and others may be misunderstanding the question. Perhaps you could give more background into the context and reason the question was raised?
  14. I have a question

    Please consider my quickly written opinion: I believe the two judgments we traditional speak of are accurate and are tied directly to the two different resurrections God speaks of: The resurrection of the just occurs at the catching away of the church. And there is a separate resurrection of the just from the unjust. 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Luke 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: 14And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. Acts 24:15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust (this speaks of separate resurrections as other Scripture references discuss) The Judgment seat of Christ begins at the rapture with the church saints and continues through the Great Tribulation with the trib saints. As more are murdered/martyred during the tribulation, they are judged for their works on earth during the tribulation. The Great White Throne Judgement of the lost occurs after the 1000 year reign of Christ and is the second resurrection (as I note and bolded below). In order to rule and reign with Christ, we must be part of the first resurrection that occurs at all points of the tribulation beginning at the rapture of the church else what capacity would our ruling positions be determined by?: Rev 20: 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (indicating judging is taking place during the tribulation): and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished (this is a caveat inserted to distinguish between the resurrection of the saved-FIRST resurrection and the resurrection of the lost- SECOND resurrection). This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. This passage makes it clear to me that the just's judgment occurs during the tribulation, determining position of rulership during the 1000 year reign and NOT 1000 years later when all the lost are judged and condemned. The church age saints judged at the beginning of the tribulation and those martyred (to be saved) throughout the tribulation. All of these rule and reign and their levels of reward/crowns and rank comes from the pure faith works they perform during their physical lives. Although there are some hints that the tribulation saints will hold higher positions of rulership than the church saints (the first-last/last-first parable) I personally believe however that the church age saints will have more rewards and positions of higher authority than those saved during the tribulation. Why, because these trib saints will have the full benefit of sight to believe and a very short period to serve-all indications are that this service will be more in the form of martyrdom as the above passage indicates. The trib saints will see first hand God's miracles, signs and wonders which the church age saints never got to see post Apostles. We got saved by faith without sight of any type and are "bless-ed" to God more so than any other groups in History IMweightofSriptureO. Not only do we rule and reign with Christ but we will judge angels (I Cor 6:3). Sorry for all the bolding but I figure some inflection might help in the explanation's understanding......
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