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1611mac

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    1611mac got a reaction from wretched in Faith Alone and Matthew 25   
    Right!  Faith saves and then that faith/salvation will produce works which is the evidence of salvation.  True faith will always produce a change in one's life and that change will be manifest.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Disciple.Luke in Faith Alone and Matthew 25   
    Hi.. As you begin (or continue) to study your Bible look for "dispensations."  Now... that's a big word but it's pretty simple. The scripture you cite must be studied "in context" and part of the context is the "dispensation" being discussed (Alan does a good job addressing that above).   I think you said you were a new/young Christian over in another thread... Focus on WORDS and their meaning as you study.  I used to teach that CONTEXT was the most important thing in Bible study.  I now teach that it is the 2nd most important thing.  First is WORDS and their meaning.  You can't get the context if you don't know the meaning.  But CONTEXT is right up there in importance. Always, ask: Who, what, when, where, why.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Disciple.Luke in Billy Graham   
    Well, I think anyone would agree that we all rejoice about the "good" done in his ministry...  In my mind that is a given...
    But his teaching has not changed. False doctrine is to be rebuked. If I spouted false doctrine here you would rebuke me... you wouldn't ask how many people have been saved as a result of my preaching Christ.  And then, even at that, you'd have to decide how many "salvations" it takes to "qualify" for non-rebuke.  We have too many compromising pragmatists!
     
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    1611mac got a reaction from DaveW in Billy Graham   
    Other plain facts..
    People Have Been led, Are Being led, and Will Be led into ecumenism by Billy Grahams own ecumenism...  That is also fact.
    Ditto on his False Gospel teaching also...
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    1611mac got a reaction from Disciple.Luke in Billy Graham   
    Free eBook... Billy Graham's Sad Disobedience.... available in pdf, mobi (Kindle) and ePub formats.  
    Web page: https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/billy_grahams_disobedience.php
    Direct pdf link: http://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/downloads/Billy_Grahams_Sad_Disobedience.pdf
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    1611mac got a reaction from DaveW in NEW BOOKLET: Ten Vital Things Parents Can Do to Help Children Keep Their Faith   
    Please give the benefit of doubt here.  They are most likely saying that they are keeping the lost low so that you may buy for yourself to give away.  "Our Booklets are desinged to give away" they say....  not for them to give away to you.  They say as much as 50% off (at quantities) so that makes less than a dollar each.  You can't print much these days for less.  
    I'm a little sensitive about this because I know for a fact that some ministries price and sell items below their cost (to produce them) just to get the info out there, yet some people still think they should give the stuff away for free.  I know a ministry that produces a book for new believers and sells it for cost.  Why? The author wants people to have and read the book.  Yet, people often complain when it is excluded from site wide sales. 
    So please don't be bugged.... give them the benefit of the doubt unless facts prove otherwise... (I don't know them personally... I'm just sayin'....)
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    1611mac got a reaction from DaveW in NEW BOOKLET: Ten Vital Things Parents Can Do to Help Children Keep Their Faith   
    Please give the benefit of doubt here.  They are most likely saying that they are keeping the lost low so that you may buy for yourself to give away.  "Our Booklets are desinged to give away" they say....  not for them to give away to you.  They say as much as 50% off (at quantities) so that makes less than a dollar each.  You can't print much these days for less.  
    I'm a little sensitive about this because I know for a fact that some ministries price and sell items below their cost (to produce them) just to get the info out there, yet some people still think they should give the stuff away for free.  I know a ministry that produces a book for new believers and sells it for cost.  Why? The author wants people to have and read the book.  Yet, people often complain when it is excluded from site wide sales. 
    So please don't be bugged.... give them the benefit of the doubt unless facts prove otherwise... (I don't know them personally... I'm just sayin'....)
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    1611mac got a reaction from DaveW in NEW BOOKLET: Ten Vital Things Parents Can Do to Help Children Keep Their Faith   
    Please give the benefit of doubt here.  They are most likely saying that they are keeping the lost low so that you may buy for yourself to give away.  "Our Booklets are desinged to give away" they say....  not for them to give away to you.  They say as much as 50% off (at quantities) so that makes less than a dollar each.  You can't print much these days for less.  
    I'm a little sensitive about this because I know for a fact that some ministries price and sell items below their cost (to produce them) just to get the info out there, yet some people still think they should give the stuff away for free.  I know a ministry that produces a book for new believers and sells it for cost.  Why? The author wants people to have and read the book.  Yet, people often complain when it is excluded from site wide sales. 
    So please don't be bugged.... give them the benefit of the doubt unless facts prove otherwise... (I don't know them personally... I'm just sayin'....)
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    1611mac got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in Paul Chappell - Hello world!   
    Perhaps his staff made a mistake when testing something new.... Some people don't realize some services are setup to generate automatic RSS...  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    I sometimes think that more attention is paid to "programs" and "slogans" and "family day" instead of spending the time providing Bible education for self (the pastor) and educating and warning the sheep.  
    I once told a pastor that he should login to Facebook only if to see what his people were posting (it was not very honoring stuff). His reply was "Why would I want to do that?  I don't want to get depressed.  I want to be happy."  I wondered at that moment if he was really called to pastor. Why would a shepherd be willing to let his sheep go astray just so he could be "happy" and have it easy???????  Why would a man take the easy way and provide "fluff" SS material instead of finding or developing a good Bible teaching program?  etc......
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    1611mac got a reaction from wretched in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    Brother Alan,
    In no way is the list hinting at any type of "fellowship."  Bro. Cloud is not trying to create anything other than a list.   It is simply a church directory which can be used or not used.  I can tell you that he gets a LOT of communication from folks who appreciate the list.   I can also tell you that a LOT of the churches do not conform to his "new" criteria for being listed.  Sadly, he has no one to "research and edit" the list to find those that should be removed.  It's all I can do (due to lack of time) to verify new ones and get them listed (at THEIR request).  
    You say, "I felt that alhough I fill out doctrinal questionnaires from churches, I could not fill out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization (the O timothy Magazine), that would check out, and either approve or disapprove, a local church."   The questionnaire is not to "approve" or "disapprove" OF any church.  It's simply a tool to help ascertain if the church is appropriate for the goals set for the directory.  And surely you agree he has the freedom to list whomever he wants.  After all, EVERY contact is initiated by the church itself.  They are asking to be listed.  Very similar to an opt-in mail list.  We are happy to remove any church at any time and for any reason.
    You mentioned "filling out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization." Please note that Way of Life Literature is a local church ministry. It is operated under the direction and authority of Bethel Baptist Church of London, Ontario. Wilbert Unger is founder and pastor of Bethel Baptist. Also please note that Bro. Cloud is a missionary in SE Asia.  See "About" page.
    The directory is a "no win" situation really.  People seem to want it... yet Bro. Cloud doesn't want to send people to churches that use CCM and such.  But there is a flip side too. The churches are "emerging" so quickly!   
    I wouldn't be surprised if the directory is gone in the next few years.....  So no... Bro. Cloud is not trying to "build his own fellowship of churches."  
    You say "I am still not of the opinion of filling out the questionnaire, nor joining the fellowship the Bro. Cloud has started."  That's really good because there is nothing to join!  I wouldn't know what to join you to even if you asked.... A church directory is not a fellowship.
    Please consider: There are like minded churches who would like to be in the directory so that when people are on vacation they can have a 50/50 chance of finding a like minded church to worship in.  That's all the directory is.
    Thanks very much for your thoughts... I do enjoy all the views and discussion here! 
    P.S.  You referenced "O Timothy."  That is simply a monthly publication and you can find free copies HERE. It has nothing to do with the directory.
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    1611mac got a reaction from wretched in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    Brother Alan,
    In no way is the list hinting at any type of "fellowship."  Bro. Cloud is not trying to create anything other than a list.   It is simply a church directory which can be used or not used.  I can tell you that he gets a LOT of communication from folks who appreciate the list.   I can also tell you that a LOT of the churches do not conform to his "new" criteria for being listed.  Sadly, he has no one to "research and edit" the list to find those that should be removed.  It's all I can do (due to lack of time) to verify new ones and get them listed (at THEIR request).  
    You say, "I felt that alhough I fill out doctrinal questionnaires from churches, I could not fill out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization (the O timothy Magazine), that would check out, and either approve or disapprove, a local church."   The questionnaire is not to "approve" or "disapprove" OF any church.  It's simply a tool to help ascertain if the church is appropriate for the goals set for the directory.  And surely you agree he has the freedom to list whomever he wants.  After all, EVERY contact is initiated by the church itself.  They are asking to be listed.  Very similar to an opt-in mail list.  We are happy to remove any church at any time and for any reason.
    You mentioned "filling out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization." Please note that Way of Life Literature is a local church ministry. It is operated under the direction and authority of Bethel Baptist Church of London, Ontario. Wilbert Unger is founder and pastor of Bethel Baptist. Also please note that Bro. Cloud is a missionary in SE Asia.  See "About" page.
    The directory is a "no win" situation really.  People seem to want it... yet Bro. Cloud doesn't want to send people to churches that use CCM and such.  But there is a flip side too. The churches are "emerging" so quickly!   
    I wouldn't be surprised if the directory is gone in the next few years.....  So no... Bro. Cloud is not trying to "build his own fellowship of churches."  
    You say "I am still not of the opinion of filling out the questionnaire, nor joining the fellowship the Bro. Cloud has started."  That's really good because there is nothing to join!  I wouldn't know what to join you to even if you asked.... A church directory is not a fellowship.
    Please consider: There are like minded churches who would like to be in the directory so that when people are on vacation they can have a 50/50 chance of finding a like minded church to worship in.  That's all the directory is.
    Thanks very much for your thoughts... I do enjoy all the views and discussion here! 
    P.S.  You referenced "O Timothy."  That is simply a monthly publication and you can find free copies HERE. It has nothing to do with the directory.
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    Brother Markle... I don't agree 100% with Bro. Cloud on all points either.  No one agrees with other's 100% and he always says that if you say you do you are not telling the truth.  He also says that he does not agree with himself 100%  of the time!
    Could we go email and discuss this further.  I suspect you are fine to put on the directory (much closer to what he would want than most that are currently listed).  But even if you don't care to be in the directory I would like to know more about your views. 
    I'll send you my personal email address via PM.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from wretched in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    Brother Alan,
    In no way is the list hinting at any type of "fellowship."  Bro. Cloud is not trying to create anything other than a list.   It is simply a church directory which can be used or not used.  I can tell you that he gets a LOT of communication from folks who appreciate the list.   I can also tell you that a LOT of the churches do not conform to his "new" criteria for being listed.  Sadly, he has no one to "research and edit" the list to find those that should be removed.  It's all I can do (due to lack of time) to verify new ones and get them listed (at THEIR request).  
    You say, "I felt that alhough I fill out doctrinal questionnaires from churches, I could not fill out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization (the O timothy Magazine), that would check out, and either approve or disapprove, a local church."   The questionnaire is not to "approve" or "disapprove" OF any church.  It's simply a tool to help ascertain if the church is appropriate for the goals set for the directory.  And surely you agree he has the freedom to list whomever he wants.  After all, EVERY contact is initiated by the church itself.  They are asking to be listed.  Very similar to an opt-in mail list.  We are happy to remove any church at any time and for any reason.
    You mentioned "filling out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization." Please note that Way of Life Literature is a local church ministry. It is operated under the direction and authority of Bethel Baptist Church of London, Ontario. Wilbert Unger is founder and pastor of Bethel Baptist. Also please note that Bro. Cloud is a missionary in SE Asia.  See "About" page.
    The directory is a "no win" situation really.  People seem to want it... yet Bro. Cloud doesn't want to send people to churches that use CCM and such.  But there is a flip side too. The churches are "emerging" so quickly!   
    I wouldn't be surprised if the directory is gone in the next few years.....  So no... Bro. Cloud is not trying to "build his own fellowship of churches."  
    You say "I am still not of the opinion of filling out the questionnaire, nor joining the fellowship the Bro. Cloud has started."  That's really good because there is nothing to join!  I wouldn't know what to join you to even if you asked.... A church directory is not a fellowship.
    Please consider: There are like minded churches who would like to be in the directory so that when people are on vacation they can have a 50/50 chance of finding a like minded church to worship in.  That's all the directory is.
    Thanks very much for your thoughts... I do enjoy all the views and discussion here! 
    P.S.  You referenced "O Timothy."  That is simply a monthly publication and you can find free copies HERE. It has nothing to do with the directory.
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    Brother Markle... I don't agree 100% with Bro. Cloud on all points either.  No one agrees with other's 100% and he always says that if you say you do you are not telling the truth.  He also says that he does not agree with himself 100%  of the time!
    Could we go email and discuss this further.  I suspect you are fine to put on the directory (much closer to what he would want than most that are currently listed).  But even if you don't care to be in the directory I would like to know more about your views. 
    I'll send you my personal email address via PM.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Friday Church News Notes   
    Another example of what "soft separatism" leads to..... (the lead article).  Challenge.... Make a note on your calendar and check where this church is 3-4 years from now.  I pray I am wrong.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Friday Church News Notes   
    Another example of what "soft separatism" leads to..... (the lead article).  Challenge.... Make a note on your calendar and check where this church is 3-4 years from now.  I pray I am wrong.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    Brother Markle... I don't agree 100% with Bro. Cloud on all points either.  No one agrees with other's 100% and he always says that if you say you do you are not telling the truth.  He also says that he does not agree with himself 100%  of the time!
    Could we go email and discuss this further.  I suspect you are fine to put on the directory (much closer to what he would want than most that are currently listed).  But even if you don't care to be in the directory I would like to know more about your views. 
    I'll send you my personal email address via PM.  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    I'll check them all out (your books)... Well, small world!  I do the website and mailings so I'm the one who posted that. But there is so much info I can't remember all the names and such.   It's all I can do to keep up with Bro. Cloud.  He doesn't waste one second of time.
    I see your church is not in the Way of Life church directory.  You can fill out the questionnaire HERE if you are interested. But note that you must score perfect on the 30 questions to be listed (practically).  He went really strict with the listings about two years ago.  Most churches on the list wouldn't not qualify now..  We are trying to locate those and remove them but churches change faster that you can keep up.  I am amazed at how many pastors outright lie on the questionnaire ust to get listed.  (I catch their lie by checking their website and sometimes even Youtube videos, etc.)  
    Do you happen to know Pastor Watson in Warren?  I was there with Bro. Cloud a couple of years ago. Actually, I think I've been there twice.
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    What's the title of your book?  You got an eBook edition?
    -edit-  ahh.... silly me!  I see your "spirit of Revival" logo
    just purchased your Kindle edition..  
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    I sometimes think that more attention is paid to "programs" and "slogans" and "family day" instead of spending the time providing Bible education for self (the pastor) and educating and warning the sheep.  
    I once told a pastor that he should login to Facebook only if to see what his people were posting (it was not very honoring stuff). His reply was "Why would I want to do that?  I don't want to get depressed.  I want to be happy."  I wondered at that moment if he was really called to pastor. Why would a shepherd be willing to let his sheep go astray just so he could be "happy" and have it easy???????  Why would a man take the easy way and provide "fluff" SS material instead of finding or developing a good Bible teaching program?  etc......
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Biblical Shallowness in the Churches   
    I sometimes think that more attention is paid to "programs" and "slogans" and "family day" instead of spending the time providing Bible education for self (the pastor) and educating and warning the sheep.  
    I once told a pastor that he should login to Facebook only if to see what his people were posting (it was not very honoring stuff). His reply was "Why would I want to do that?  I don't want to get depressed.  I want to be happy."  I wondered at that moment if he was really called to pastor. Why would a shepherd be willing to let his sheep go astray just so he could be "happy" and have it easy???????  Why would a man take the easy way and provide "fluff" SS material instead of finding or developing a good Bible teaching program?  etc......
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    1611mac got a reaction from CelinaCelinaCelina in Bible Apps to replace Printed Bibles?   
    Backups!  If I drop my Bible into a deep puddle of water then chances are I might loose some of the notes I've written...  I've even seen Bibles lost and stolen.  I still have the Bible I purchased in 1984 - glued together several times.   An app can crash but restore your backup and you have your app and notes good as new!  On the other hand... software can change and software companies go out of business so then you can't even open your app.  Thus, I export/backup my Bible app notes as plain text files.   (I am not advocating a Bible app over a printed Bible... Just presenting all aspects)
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    1611mac got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Way of Life:Depression and the Child of God   
    I love to be alone and I am most comfortable when alone. I am naturally a "loner."  Witnessing, hospital visits, etc. are out of my "comfort zone" but I find that I derive great satisfaction from these things. So while I have to "kick myself" to get going on those endeavors I am highly blessed by having done them.
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    1611mac got a reaction from CelinaCelinaCelina in Bible Apps to replace Printed Bibles?   
    Hi.. I'm not challenging here... but spurring conversation... If you are using a Bible app only does it matter that you can quickly navigate through a printed Bible?  If you don't know the Books of the Bible nor their order does it matter whether you are in an App or Printed Bible?  Both show lack of care and study.
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