BioI am a proud husband of a very sweet wife who has blessed me with our four children. We have been married 25 years this past year and are looking forward to eternity. Life without an end, wow! I heard the gospel of Christ, (finally!), in January of 1987, and became a believer in Jesus Christ, the Holy, Only-begotten, Son of God, and have not ever regretted following the Lord. Since 1990 I have been a minister of God, preaching and teaching to the people in our church, and in the nursing home in our area. I love the Lord and am a lover of his word. I preach and teach from the 1560 edition of the Geneva Bible, hence the name Genevan Baptist.
Location: Indiana, USA
InterestsPreach, teach, and believe the 1560 edition of the Geneva Bible. And I love to read many other books, and have.
In my 1560 it uses 'God' and not angels in Psalm 8 with angels in Hebrews 2. Did it cross anyone's mind that since angels are 'lower' than God that it really doesn't matter, they both meant the same thing? If you could see my text it would be very noticeable to you what it meant in comparison between Psalm 8 and Hebrews 2. Psalms has 'lower than God' and Hebrews has 'inferior to Angels' - kinda equal to God is the 'biggest' thing here and angels are next, but man is just a tad bit inferior to the angels who are 'lower' also than God, with man also in this order 'lower' than both.
Maybe looking at Daniel 9 verse 27 and noticing the result of making "the sacrifice and oblation to cease"? Looks like the covenant, of 'sacrificing for sins', will stop, to me. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. See, this is where some see the one 'confirming the covenant' as the Lord Jesus, when he sacrificed himself on the cross, and the Temple vail ripping in half when he gave up the ghost and opening the 'holy of holies' to men, making a way for men to come face to face with God for forgiveness of their sins, through the death of God himself in the form of Jesus Christ the Son of God. Matthew 27:51 - And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; Mark 15:38 - And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
Hebrews 10:19-22 - Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;And having an high priest over the house of God;Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
The part of the verse that says "the covenant" implies a known covenant. Maybe looking at Daniel 11 will shed some light on "the covenant" - 28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. 29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. 30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Good point Invicta! That little word 'the' says to me that this is a covenant that already existed beforehand too. Well Bro. Scott? Should you have said it differently, or do you mean 'a peace treaty' like others have said, or what?
1) 'Other languages' were spoken to spread the Gospel to other nations, during the early start to the church Jesus Christ set up. In the book of the 'Acts of the Apostles', written by Luke in the Bible, many nationalities were 'dwelling at Jerusalem' when the Apostles were given the gift of being understood by all who would hear the gospel and carry it back to their own country. At other times this gift was given to believers for the ministry God had prepared for them. Since the written books of the Bible were completed this gift died out and is no longer useful, as we have the scriptures written in 'other languages'. 2) Jesus is God in human form, thus anytime someone baptizes in the name of the Lord, whether 'Jesus' or 'the Lord' or 'God', they are all the same. 3) There are not 2 'gods' at all, and you misrepresent the truth with this type of question.
So Bro. Scott, what exactly do you mean by this? "Finally, with verse 27 we come to the concluding verse of this prophetic utterance and to the specific reference to the seventieth and final “week” (7 years) of these “seventy weeks.” The opening line of this verse indicates that some “he” will “confirm” some “covenant with many” (apparently among the Israelites, since that is the focus of this prophetic utterance as per the opening statement of verse 24). " Specifically " this verse indicates that some “he” will “confirm” some “covenant with many". Just curious if you mean "some" here.
Interesting difference between original 1611 and the 1769 - read 1 Peter 3:21. An important coupla commas missing in the 1769. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1769) The like figure whereunto, euen Baptisme, doth also now saue vs, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answere of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Iesus Christ. (1611)
Uh, its called 'discussion'. And Daniel was studying about Jeremiahs prophesy, and I think he was clearly looking at the 70 years getting to a finish. So when I read this following verse or two, I assume when the Angel came and said he was there to explain to him his concerns, he did. So Daniel says: 2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. 3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:And when the angel Gabriel comes on the scene he says: 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
*No such thought, we were discussing, or I was anyway, verse 24. Not verse 25. And verse 24 has 70 weeks not 69. **Determined was emboldened because it is and has been already firmly established by God as to occur in/through or whatever in 70 weeks of time. All in all I was being 'curious' about the "what if?" idea of the possibility of something that happened that the verses 'could' have been talking about.
*That's funny, you know I was not quoting scripture. I was in reference to the 'announcement' of these verses from the messenger from God to Daniel, and what followed his 'announcement', not that the timing occurred right after the angel spoke them, but what historical thing/things occurred that those verses covered, after the angel spoke to Daniel, IF anything.