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weary warrior

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  1. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    I'm with Brother Coley. I've been on here for a while, but the posts are getting worse and worse these days. If most of what is often taught on here is basic Baptist doctrine, I must not be a true Baptist after all. I don't agree with everything Jim holds, but I do agree that a lot of posts lately have grieved my very soul. If Wretched wants to point his finger in righteouse indignation at me too, so be it. It means nothing. The spirit, much more than the doctrine, is not as it should be. And the doctrine is often ... well...enough of that. Farewell, Brethren. I don't know what you actually seek, but I truely hope you find it. I do know what I seek, and I just never could find it here. So I'm moving on to where a fight means I'm fighting the actual enemy, not the brethren. Sincerely, S. Dewayne Noel
  2. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    I'm not going to fuss with you, Brother, but I disagree with your interpretation of many of these scriptures, as well as the view of the big picture as a whole. It doesn't matter. I posted my belief, and do not feel threatened or take it personal when one disagrees with me. I am content.
  3. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    The past tense, yes. But the past tense relative to when John was writing. Well after the resurrection, ascension and day of Pentecost. We are told in Hebrews that the blood of bulls and goats could not take away sin. Only the blood of Christ. The blood of Christ had not been shed yet, so all were still sinners. Yes, righteousness had been imputed unto them because of their belief, (Romans 4:16-22) but they could not enter heaven upon death because their sins were merely temporarily covered, not washed away. Thus the existence of a separate Paradise, or Abraham's bosom. How can you have a church made up of unwashed, unregenerate sinners? How can there be a church pre-crucifixion without the shedding of the blood of Christ? I see nowhere in the Old Testament where there was a regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. It came upon men, and it left men. It enabled them to do the work of God as God determined (Samson and Saul) I have never seen it said that it regenerated them. It could not, for sin still remained. Covered, yes. But not yet removed. I myself have a hard time thinking that men such as Samson and Saul were "regenerated by the Holy Spirit" even though the spirit came upon them. It just doesn't fit. Even Abraham and Moses were not allowed into heaven until after the shedding of blood. How in the world does line up with any Biblical definition of the church, the body of Christ? The thief on the cross? "Today thou shalt be with me in paradise". Not heaven. Not the church. Abraham's bosom, the place of rest and waiting until the promised work of the messiah was complete. Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In the dispensation of the fullness of time ... all things in Christ ... which was a mystery until revealed to Paul while he was in the desert for 3 years. (Ephesians 3). No shed blood? No remission of sins. No remission of sins? No regeneration. No regeneration? No NT church.
  4. John, this is a Baptist forum. By Baptists for Baptists. The Lutheran forum is someplace else.
  5. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    It was symbolic, 1 Corinthians 11:26. A remembrance of his body that was broken for us. I know full well you do not hold the doctrine of transubstantiation. I think you must be testing me with tongue firmly planted in cheek. If, however, we do not believe that the church is his body now on earth, doing the will of the Father, lets just pack it up and go home. We are of all men most miserable and this thing we call "church" would be nothing but man-made, money-making institutions doing charitable work..
  6. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    To me, it's so very, very simple. The church is the body of Christ. Yes? - Eph 1:22-23 When Christ was on earth, He walked around in his own body, so that was ... the body of Christ. So the church, the body of Christ, did not come to be until Christ and his ... body ... left. Otherwise, there would be two bodies of Christ, and that's just dumb. John 14:26 John 15:26 John 16:7 And of course, II Corinthians 5:20-21 and John 14:12 - We the church are here, by the power of His Spirit, in Christ's stead, and we couldn't exist to be in his stead as long as he was still here. Don't over think it. It's not rocket science.
  7. Origin of Baptist

    If I could like this 3 times, I would do so!
  8. Origin of Baptist

    I will answer both of the above posts here. I don't know how to do separate quotes at once. I wasn't disputing anything InSeasonOut said. I apologize for not being clearer. I realize that my usage of the quote function was confusing. As to what I was getting at, I was responding to those who reject out-of-hand any reference to a universal church. As for Joe Coley's input, I will clarify. Doctrine is the chief thing. I understand that, I agree with that. I know the definition. I also know after 50 years in IFB churches all over the world that we tend to take a doctrine that we have been given by someone else and study the few select verses that seem to shore up and defend that doctrine. We become locked in an intellectual, scriptural box, and the lock is our own fear of being wrong, or finding out that our revered teacher was wrong. If, however, we prayerfully study scripture itself with humble courage and let the doctrinal chips fall where they may, the doctrinal truth will be given to us by the Spirit of God, and there will be no contradiction, confusion or conflict. Scripture will answer for itself, if we will let it.
  9. Origin of Baptist

    The word “Church” is used 3 different ways in the Bible EXAMPLE OF 3 CHURCH DEFINITIONS “The Noel Family” Local – My wife, the children and I. "We are the Noel Family". Visible - Dad, Mom, sisters, Uncles, aunts, cousins. All Noels alive, but not all of a local household. "The Noels will have a reunion in Kentucky in Oct." Universal - All ancestors from the time of first founding Noel. "The Noel family can be traced back to the 1100's" All usages are legitimate and proper, and determined by context. Why is this so hard to understand in the church today?!? Universal Church – Spiritual - All saints, past, present and future, whose names the Father knows and are written in heaven. – UNDER CHRIST, UNDER NO OFFICE OR MAN ON EARTH. Hebrews 12:22-23 Eph 5:23,25,27,29 Col 1:18-24 Revelation 19:7, Revelation 21:9 and (2Corinthians 11:2 – proof text that the bride is the church) Visible Church made of all saints alive on earth, general reference to believers as a whole. 1Co 12:13 1Co 15:9 Galatians 1:13 Philippians 3:6 A particular assembly of believers that meet together in one place, such as the churches addressed in the epistles. The word “churches”, plural, appears 36 times. Ro 16:5 Col 4:15 Acts 13:1 All three usages exist in scripture to refer to the church, and all three are legitimate, based on scriptural context. If we throw out scriptural doctrine simply because the reprobate misuse it, are we any better than they are? We must stop studying doctrine, and start prayerfully studying the scripture with humility and courage.
  10. Origin of Baptist

    I would be curious as to how the incident in Acts chapter 19 fits into this explanation. These 12 men in Ephesus, who were called disciples and were meeting in Christ's name, were also baptized by John the Baptist, making them "Baptists" by your reckoning, as it did Christ. However, when Paul learned they had been baptized by John, he re-baptized them. It is stated clearly in this passage that John's baptism was a "baptism of repentance". If this is the recognized nature of John's baptism, how then did it make Christ a baptist, and no one else?
  11. One of my Facebook friends just posted this....

    Thank you for clarifying. I did not initially read into that anything untoward, but perhaps that is because I am unfamiliar with MacArthur's teachings. To me, God does not choose everyone, but only those who repent and choose Him. Salvation was provided for all, but all do not choose to accept it. After all, "many are called, but few are chosen". It did not even register to my mind as a veiled reference to Calvinism.
  12. One of my Facebook friends just posted this....

    God would have been perfectly fair to have sent me to hell. I deserve hell. I don't want fair, I want mercy. I received mercy. I'm not going to the hell I deserve. Someone is going to have to explain to me the objection to the poster, other than the name MacArthur across the bottom, for I am thoroughly confused as to the nature of the offence.
  13. In one Word!

    Repentance. Psalm 126:5-6. There is no joy without tears, and when was the last time you were in a church service where the members were completely broken over their sin, their coldness, their spiritual and intellectual arrogance and the refusal of the Holy Spirit to put His stamp of approval on their "correct" activity?
  14. Churches

    Jim, I hope you didn't take that as a poke at you, my friend. I certainly didn't mean it as such. I was just communicating that I'm die-hard truth, morality and service, and when the Baptist church doesn't fit in those parameters, I'll go with what does, whatever they call themselves. And let's face it, there is a falling away going on in the Baptist church, even among the IFB. If not falling away in doctrine, then often in morality and standards, or in service. We are made up of people too, and are not quarantined from the prophesy regarding the church that Paul warned Timothy about. In the end, we will have to hold to scripture alone, it is all that will stand sure and unshaken.
  15. Churches

    I would check out each church for what they teach and how they live, not what name they go by. If I couldn't find a sound Baptist Church in the area, I would actually look for a Nazareen Church and try them. Is everything perfect and straight with them? No, but the ones I know are actually straighter and better than maybe 75% of any Baptist church I've been to. For you die-hard Baptists on here, I'm sorry, but it's true. Or I would just lead my family at home until God opens a door and directs different. Myself? I would fellowship with a non-Baptist Christian that is a little fuzzy on eternal security any day over a Calvinistic Baptist. You can teach eternal security, but the Calvinist will burn you at the stake. Metaphorically speaking, of course.