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  1. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Jim, I believe that you are understanding Larkin's position correctly. This is why I brought out my comment like I did. The flesh of man, our physical body, is different from the flesh of animals, along with the "awareness" that you mentioned. As this thread is dealing with just an overview, I did not dwell much on the differences; but I did want to point it out. I appreciate you adding your comments to this matter. Your comments give us a better understanding. Alan
  2. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    The Spirit World Chapter 8 Overview “Natural Law in the Spirit World” I do need to bring out an aspect of the chapter that is obvious if one reads the whole chapter and that may not be obvious if a person just reads this overview. Larkin only talks about the resurrection of the body of the righteous and does not reference what type of body, or spirit, that the lost will have. As one reads the chapter Larkin is trying to show how God will give us (the saved), a material body in heaven that is adapted for living in heaven. There is not a chart in this chapter neither does Larkin reference any other chart. Larkin is trying to show that as we have a natural body in this life that is adaptable to live on this earth we (the saved saint), will have a spiritual body that will be adapted to live in heaven at the resurrection of the dead. Larkin states that our physical body in much the same as an animal. After mentioning Genesis 2:7, Larkin states (caps and bold print are Larkin's), “While man differs from a beast in having a “Spirit,” yet he is as to his body only an ANIMAL. That is, his body is formed on the same general plan, and governed by the same laws, and its organs, and functions of respiration, digestion, and assimilation, are the same as those of an animal.”i I feel Larkin is not completely correct. Man was made in the “image of God” (Genesis 1:26 & 27), while all other creatures were not and man was made on the sixth day instead of the fifth day. Man was made upright, and has other characteristics, that place him distinctly different from animals. Larkin gives this explanation concerning the “natural” body(caps and bold print are Larkin's), “When the Apostle Paul speaks of the “Natural” body (1 Cor. 15:44) he refers to the “Animal” body, and when he speaks of the “Spiritual” body he means a MATERIAL BODY adapted to the realm of the “Spirit World,” for the “Spirit World” is just as much MATERIAL as the “Natural World” in which we dwell. We cannot imagine heavenly beings and places without material forms and substances”ii Larkin then comments on 1 Corinthians 15:39-40, within parenthesis marks in the verses, to explain his thoughts (caps and bold print are Larkin's), “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of MEN, another flesh of BEASTS, another of FISHES, and another of BIRDS. There are also 'CELESTIAL BODIES' (Spirit bodies), and 'BODIES TERRESTRIAL' (human bodies); but the glory of the CELESTIAL is one, and the glory of the TERRESTRIAL is another.”iii Larkin then explains how the flesh of all animals are adapted to the environment to which it lives in. He states, “From this we see that our “Human” body is adapted to this physical world in which we now live, and at the resurrection we shall receive a body adapted to the “Spirit World.”iv The rest of the chapter deals as there are Laws of Physics here on earth there will be Laws of Physics in heaven and Larkin then gives examples of his meaning. i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 65 ii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 65 iii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 65 iv Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 67 Brethren, Looking forward to any comments. Alan
  3. In my opinion, Hal Lindsey, the Charismatics, started to perpetuate these hoaxes. Occasionally I do an internet search on these hoaxes and now just about every denomination has its share of false prophecies and unscientific wonders in the heavens that they perpetuate to get a crowd. They, Lindsey, and the charismatics, than other groups, saw that the amount of money and fame that was generated was huge. Hal Lindsey, the Charismatics, and even some fundamentalists, found some scripture verses that indicate a meteor, or planet, or nuclear explosion, in the book of Revelation and Zechariah, and are using them as proof-tests. Brethren, even if the Lord uses meteors, or a planet, or a nuclear blast, to destroy the earth the church should not use it to perpetuate hoaxes. More than likely meteors do add to the destruction as portrayed in the book of Revelation and Zechariah, but, the current flock of Nibiru''s, Planet X, and the Brown Star Theory, and the current flock of prophecy teachers as Gill Broussard, are false teachers and are perpetuating hoaxes. Even an amateur astronomer knows that that Planet X, Nibriu, the Brown Dwarf Star theory, are unscientific. All of the "fearful sights in heaven" mentioned in the scripture are a sign to the Jewish remnant in the Tribulation Period. None of the signs in the scripture is for the church.
  4. If the brethren want to know the scientific truth that debunks the Planet X theory; than listen to the following video by NASA scientist Dr. Morrison. Using a layman's terminology, Dr. Morrison explains why Planet X, Nibiru, or the Brown Star Theory hurtling towards Earth, are all hoax's.
  5. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Ronda, Thank you for your comments. The question, when Samuel stated, "... be with me..." is referring to paradise to be with Samuel, or, did Samuel mean to die: like Samuel was. In my own mind, I think the Lord had Samuel deliberately phrased it so we could not know for certain. Personally, I lean towards the thought that the phrase, "... be with me ..." refers to the fact that Samuel was dead and that the next day King Saul and his sons would die in battle. I also agree with you, and I have brought out several times, that in Larkin's "The Spirit World," I am somewhat disappointed in some of his thoughts. Alan
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    I found out that I have the same problem.
  7. What are you thankful for?

    The Lord has blessed my wife, my family, and me, in many, many ways. Both of the spirit and of this life. I am thankful that the Lord saved me, gave me peace in my heart, changed my life, and gave me hope for eternity, and blessings in this life and in eternity. I am always thankful for the watch care of the Lord over me in time of war. I am thankful for a loving wife and companion for over 40 years. I am thankful for a household of children who love the Lord, one another, and their parents. I am thankful for the friends without number; both Western and Eastern. I am thankful for the many wonderful churches that we have been honored to attend and to be a part of. "From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD"S name is to be praised." Psalm 113:3 Alan
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    I am still trying to cross the road. Confession time. I must 'fess up, I just haven't been active much lately. Hmmm? Maybe I need to start a new, humdinger of a controversial subject.
  9. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Chapter 7 “The Spirits in Prison” Introduction There is a doctrine called, “Second Chance,” that uses 1 Peter 3:18-20, and many other verses, as proof-texts to teach that once a person dies, and descends in hell, he is offered a “second chance” to hear the gospel, repent, trust in Christ as Saviour, and is then able to leave hell (Hades or Sheol), and enter into heaven. If you want to see how these false teachers manipulate the scriptures, use the Greek and Hebrew words (Hades and Sheol), for the afterlife, malign the King James Version with alleged 'mistakes,' and use human reasoning throughout their belief system. And, you have the 'stomach' to read through 15 pages of heretical teaching without being confused, you may visit the following website: http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/remnant/hades.htm I would like the reader to remember one verse if he reads the material in either of the two websites that I am referencing to in this chapter. Colossians 2:8, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” All false teachers use 'human reasoning' or 'philosophy' in order to twist scriptures into a heretical belief. The 'Worldwide Church of God, founded by, Herbert W. Armstrong, teaches a 'second chance' for the eternal salvation of the soul. http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/armstrong.htm Although the Roman Catholic church does not teach that their belief in Purgatory is a 'second chance' belief; for all practical purposes it is a 'second chance' to enter heaven after death. Overview Clarance Larkin wrote this chapter in order to refute the doctrine of a “Second Chance,” to escape hell (Hades or Sheol), and be saved after death and enter heaven. Larkin bases this chapter on 1 Peter 3:18-20 There is no chart for this chapter, but Larkin does refer the reader to chart on, “The Underworld,” in chapter 6, page 49. 1 Peter 3:18-20, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a-preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” Larkin believes that the, “spirits in prison,” were angels that had sinned in the days of Noah and uses 2 Peter 2:4 & 5, “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.” And then Jude 6-7 coupled with Genesis 6:1-4 I had previously commented that I am not in agreement with Larkin. Larkin then relates that these 'fallen angels' are in “Tartarus. Larkin had previously brought out this belief in Chapter 4, “The Fallen Angels.” And, that when the Lord Jesus went to the 'Underworld' during the time between His death and resurrection He went to the “Paradise' section and emptied it of the 'righteous dead.' Larkin then proceeds to express his belief that the Lord Jesus personally did not preach to the 'spirits in prison' but that the Holy Spirit, through Noah, actually did the preaching to the 'spirits in prison' during his earthly ministry. Larkin then uses Genesis 6:3; 2 Peter 2:5 and gives the illustration Paul the apostle using a similar thought in Ephesians 2:17 and Acts 20:17-27 An important note in this series of belief is needed to be brought out; Larkin notes that 'preaching' does not necessarily mean 'preaching the gospel. Larkin does note that 1 Peter 4:6, “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” Larkin states that this is referring to the time that Noah preached to the fallen angels when they were alive and not when they were dead. In my thoughts while reading and studying for the chapter, I feel Larkin could have better refuted the false doctrine of a 'second chance' of escaping hell (Hades or Sheol), using other passages in the scriptures.
  10. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Invicta, Thank you for your comments and bringing Acts 2:3 to our attention. Brethren, Any other thoughts, or comments, on other passages of scripture pertaining to the subject of the baptism of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove? Alan
  11. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Hmmm. "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16 & 17 Larkin stated, "The "SON" was present in Jesus. And the "HOLY SPIRIT" was present in the form of a "DOVE." This quote is found on page 5. Jim, Very happy that you made this comment about the Holy Spirit descending like a dove. I do not feel it is nit-picking. I had thought of what you are saying, but I am not mentioning every detail that Larkin states as I do not know what subjects are of interest to everybody and what subjects to comment on and what subjects not to comment on. The scriptures does state the the Holy Spirit, "... descending like a dove..." and then, "... lighting upon him..." The scriptures does not say, " in the form of a dove " as you brought out. Some have thought though that since the scriptures say, "and lighting upon him" indicates not only the descending manner but also a form of a dove. Either way, I appreciate your participation and I appreciate your observation, and comments, concerning the Holy Spirit. Alan P.S. I have not noticed this subject previously being discussed on OnLine Baptist. So, as Larkin did make this a point in his book, and if there is anybody else, or if Jim wants to continue this discussion on Matthew 3:16-17 and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove, please do so. Alan
  12. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Brethren, I appreciate all of you who are following this overview of Larkin's, 'The Spirit world.' There is a lot of information on the charts that I have not discussed as this is just a broad overview. So, as you either read something in the book, or see something in the charts that you are not familiar with, or you disagree with, please bring it to our attention. It is my intention to bring out that I feel that his books (as a whole not in its entirety), are useful to give the diligent student of scripture a proper understanding of the work of God throughout history. And, in this overview, some of his subjects can help us understand the false teachings, and spirit, of the Catholics, spiritualism and Jehovah's witnesses. Any others thoughts, areas we need to discuss, or questions that need to be discussed, before I start the next lesson? Alan
  13. The story of the rich man and Lazarus ought to make us more zealous in our soul-winning efforts and have a greater compassion for the lost.
  14. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Invicta, Thank you for looking closely at the chart. I appreciate your participation. I do agree with Larkin though that the Judgment Seat of Christ is separate from the Great White Throne of Judgment. Brethren, I briefly mentioned the subject of the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Great White Throne of Judgment in the Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study on page number 1, 3, & 8 Here is the link to one of the studies. Alan Here is the link: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=1
  15. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Clarence Larkin – The Spirit World Chapter 5 – “Demonism” Overview The chapter on Demonism by Larkin is very good. Although it does not have a chart, Larkin's comments on Demonism and Spiritualism, is very good. I would like to quote the first paragraph as it sets the tone for the chapter, “We are reading a great deal in these days about “Spiritualism,” or the communication of the living with the dead. What is called “Spiritualism” is DEMONISM, and is forbidden in the scriptures. Lev.20:6, 27. Deu. 18:10-11. Isa 8:19 R.V. The “Familiar Spirits” of the Old Testament are the same as the “Demons” and “Seducing Spirits” of the New Testament.”i Larkin has a section dealing with, “The Power of Demons over the Human Body,” that is very good. Larkin spends a considerable time with a section on, “The Spirit of Samuel,” and the prophet Samuel's appearance with King Saul in 1 Samuel 28:3-25. Larkin goes into great detail in explaining that God took the matter out of the hand of the medium, the witch of Endor, and allowed the prophet Samuel to sternly rebuke King Saul for his disobedience. I agree with Larkin in the interpretation of the passage. I would recommend anyone who is in doubt on what really happened with King Saul,the witch at Endor, and the appearance of the prophet Samuel to read the interpretation by Larkin. Chapter 6 “The Underworld” Clarence Larkin begins the chapter with the Hebrew Old Testament words for Hell, the Grave, the Pit, etc… and corresponding Greek words of Hades, Hell and the meanings of Sheol and Hades etc… in relationship with the spirit world. Larkin then proceeds to give some appropriate (not all), scripture verses as examples. Larkin has a chart to help explain the various Hebrew and Greek words and their locations. “The Heavens” Page 49 Photo by Alan Larkin explains the various Hebrew and Greek meanings, and related scripture passages, and their locations as depicted on the chart. Larkin clearly explains why the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Luke 16:19-21, is a true story and not a parable. His explanation on Ecclesiastes 9:5 & 10, is also noteworthy for those who need help in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses. Larkin has a section on, “Purgatory,” the, “Restoration Theory,” that is helpful for those who deal with Catholics. In dealing with the subject of purgatory and the Mass, Larkin has a section called, “A Defective View of the Work of Christ on the Cross.” In his comments Larkin adequately explains how the Catholic view of the purgatory and the mass are contrary to the real meaning of, “The Lord's Supper,” as a memorial for the work of Christ on the cross. Larkin has a good chart dealing with the Priestly work of Christ that is helpful in understanding the Prophetic, the Priestly and the Kingly work of Christ. “The Two Comings” Photo by Alan Larkin has a section on, “Annihilationism”and a section on “Future Punishment Eternal,” that is very helpful. In his comments on annihilationism he brings out the correct interpretation of the word “destruction” as it is used in the scriptures. i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 37