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  1. "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." (Revelation 8:12). This is not the only fearful sight that will occur in the tribulation... in fact, the majority of the scriptural content in that chapter deals with such things. Far too much scripture to quote here. As for "planet x/nibiru" there is no such thing. There a great many wolves in sheep's clothing perpetuating these lies, deceiving the gullible. I agree with many of the brethren (above) in their opinions of those whom have started and continue to perpetuate this nonsense. Two other names come to mind: Paul Begley and Steven DeNoon, both of which produce "shock factor" videos, and are plastered all over social media (sadly). They use scare tactics to promote "survival" products. They prey on those who do not study the Bible, and do not know scripture themselves. So much so that when claim something to be scripturally sound, the gullible and those who do not study scripture themselves, are easily deceived. There is a solution to this... when believers study scripture themselves (as we are told to do; 2 Tim.2:15), know scripture well, then they can readily recognize the false teachers and know to mark and avoid them. Sadly, many professing believers are Biblically illiterate these days... even though there is no excuse for this since there are hundreds of ways to access the KJV Bible... in print form, also free online KJV Bible, and even free lexicons (should person desire to delve deep), Braille, KJV Bible apps, and audio Bibles as well (which are an excellent use of time while doing chores, etc. Listening to the KJV audio Bible). But far too many professing believers want a 5-6 word summary, a 5-10 minute sermon-ette (McChristian drive-thru style). Rather than waste time on the latest theory and falsehood of the day... (such as the "Blood moons", Shmita, Rev.12 sign heresy, L.A.Marzulli's phony fairy, planet x/nibiru, and hundreds of other false teachings that pervert/twist scripture) ... the time would be much better spent in the Bible, in actual scripture, rather than mankind's take, opinion, and perversion of scripture for personal gain. Here is some scripture that may be helpful: "For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (Rom.16:18) "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them." (Eph.5:6-7) "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." (2 Tim.3:13) " That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive" (Eph.4:14) Maranatha!
  2. Clarence Larkin - The Spirit World

    Brother Alan, I also agree with brother Larkin's assessment of 1 Sam.28 in regard to the spirit of Samuel. Verse 12 shows us she (the witch of Endor) was clearly taken aback "when the woman saw Samuel". Not to derail the study, but rather to focus for a moment on this part of scripture, and ask a question. It's clear that Saul had been anointed of God. And even David did not slay Saul, (though numerous times he had the opportunity to do so) because David recognized that the Lord had anointed Saul. Yet Saul did sin greatly against the Lord and disobeyed Him. Saul was also jealous over David, and had sought his life. The question would be pertaining to 1 Sam.28:19 "Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." There we see Saul's physical death foretold by Samuel. Yet Samuel said " to morrow thou and thy sons be with me". The question would be, when Samuel said "be with me", did he mean paradise? In essence, was Saul sent to be with Samuel in paradise? I am presuming he did. (But would like to hear your thoughts on this). I've also taken into account the numerous sins David committed. And God allowed bad things to happen to David because of those sins, and yet He called him "a man after his own heart" (1 Sam.13:14). Thank you for your time. And I am enjoying this study. While I (also) did not concur completely with all of brother Larkin's writing in the book "The Spirit World", I did find it edifying and did find agreement scripturally in much of it. Thank you also for posting the review.
  3. Clarence Larkin - Revelation

    Brother Alan, I would very much be interested in a book review on Clarence Larkin's "The Spirit World". I've not (yet) read it myself, not knowing it existed... but have now found a free copy online and plan to read it (God willing). It would be a very timely study, since spiritual warfare is a major issue in the life of believers. (Eph.6:12). I just started the first chapter, and it looks to be an excellent read. Maranatha!
  4. Analyzing the Chinese word, 'Righteousness.'

    Thank you for the Chinese lesson as well as the teaching, brother Alan. And brother Jim, What a wonderful joy to have been used of the Lord to help lead Wu Cheng to salvation in Jesus! It's been a while since I have felt that thrill of exhilaration and pure joy that we get when someone isn't just interested, but actually believes and accepts Christ, even more when they (as had did) has the desire to evangelize his Chinese friends and family. (And as you said, his thirst for God's word being insatiable, you knew he truly had come to Christ). While there have been several people take an interest in God's word lately as I witness to the unsaved world, sadly, they are soon "turned off" (so to speak) when they find out that God isn't going to guarantee to grant their every wish nor fix all their worldly problems. I spent a good deal of time answering (with scripture) questions from a secular friend. She had (sadly) been watching a TV evangelist and was under the belief she would be healed and receive riches and prosperity in this life if she found a "prayer partner" to "pray in agreement" with her. It angers me greatly the harm that these false teachers and wolves have done. It was rather a long ordeal trying to deprogram her. And so I first started with the gospel. Sadly, she wanted to SKIP that.... and as you know we can't do that. Over the course of a few weeks, I then also explained to her that God doesn't work like waving a wand over us and fixing all our problems here on earth... but rather I took her to the scripture pertaining to eternal rewards instead. There is much more to this account, but in a short summation she really wasn't interested in eternal salvation, she (sadly) still was of the belief she is a "good person", even though I'd used much scripture to explain to her that we are all sinners in need of a savior, and all our good works of what we call righteousness are like filthy rags to God. I explained Rom.3:10 to her, and many others. I also explained that Jesus was the one and only acceptable propitiation (payment) for our sins, etc. She just wanted interested... she wanted immediate gratification, and all her worldly problems fixed "right now". She'd been brainwashed by the TV evangelist into believing if she just had someone to "pray in agreement" with her, all her worldly woes would be over :( She wanted immediate health and wealth... she didn't want to admit she was a sinner in need of savior, and there are no short-cuts to that! She wasn't willing to believe that Jesus died for her sins, was buried and rose the third day (1 Cor.15:1-4), in fact as long as she still thinks she is a "good person", it's not likely she will see her need for salvation at all, no matter the scriptural warnings. And that is one of the "better" experience I've had of late... most often I am cussed out, threatened, given "facebook jail" (24-72 hour bans) for posting Bible verses that offends anyone, and mocking... always the mocking from those who believe their "god" is false science (1 Tim.6:20). I truly hope it is not this way for everyone, and that there are still some coming to Christ in the world. These are truly the perilous last days forewarned of in 2 Tim.3:1-7,13. Not just that, but a marked increase in those whom God Himself has turned over to a reprobate mind (Rom.1:18-32). Receptivity of the unsaved is at an all time low that I've ever seen in my lifetime. And hostility towards the gospel, or even any of God's word, is also increasing greatly. Nonetheless I will keep posting the gospel and scripture to the unsaved world in the places they most need to hear it, it may be that I plant or water, and it's up to God whether there be an increase. Maranatha!
  5. How to Apply the Seven Habits?

    This is a difficult situation, but does need addressed, as tactfully, and as with as much scripture as possible. I don't think the woman of the church should be the first route (since the pastor should be leading the flock himself, first). But rather the women (elder women) should be the second route, if the first is not heeded. Here is what I would suggest: You may want to save back (as a last option) directly confronting the woman. Rather than first calling her out individually (embarrassingly, and likely to be taken as an insult rather than edifying instruction, no matter how tactfully worded). Why not try these appraoches first? #1. Group setting first. How about a sermon from the pastor on dress as well as conduct of the body of Christ in general? Here is some scripture that may help: 1 Tim.2:9-10, 1 Cor.11:1-15, Luke 20:46, Matt.23:5-6, and even 1 Cor.7:33-35 regarding the unmarried and how they can truly serve the Lord well without distraction. He could mention also that just as it's not comely for a woman to pray with her head uncovered (bald or shaven head), so also would it be uncomely that a woman would be in the house of the Lord with more than just the head uncovered (give some examples of women wearing provocative clothing, but maybe not exactly what she was wearing that day). You may note also that the attention a woman will receive from dressing that way would be attention from men who aren't godly men, the type of men who would be attracted to that type of dress would be those whom they (the woman) would not have a good Christian relationship, with Christ first at the forefront of the relationship as He should be, but rather with the lust of the eyes and the pride of life being the forefront and shallow depth of the relationship. Let them know they are valued to God and as such should be valued by the men they desire to attract. They are not just an object for fleshy lusts, but rather can be serving the Lord better by living pleasing to Him, rather than pleasing to mankind (Gal.1:10) There are also numerous scripture to be brought forth pertaining to pride, fleshy lusts, the pride of life (such as 1 John 2:15-16 among many others). that may be appropriate to the topic as well. #2. If the sermon went over her head (or through one ear and out the other) then another group setting may be appropriate. The women of the church. (As brother Alan has noted Titus 2:3-5), but keep in mind this woman may NOT see this scripture as applying to herself since she is not married, and therefore may receive better the encouragement from Paul in 1 Cor.7:33-35 in regard to the unmarried as better received. Reiterate that if she has chosen to be unmarried, it may be that she could serve the Lord better (without distraction) by remaining unmarried, as long as she intends to be chaste (sadly, very uncommon these days). OR if she is seeking to find a husband, that she will have much better options in the type of men she attracts by her wearing more modest attire, since the men who are attracted to the revealing garments are those who are flesh/lust driven and it would be a shallow relationship which will not please her, nor please the Lord. Have the women (especially the elder women) ask to meet with ALL the other women of the church for a few moments after the service. This way she will not feel singled out. During this meeting, the elder women could also reiterate much of what was said in the sermon, and make specific reference to how the Lord would not have us dress not only in provocative manner, but also not in flashy, attention-getting dress either. (If so be that you have good godly women in the church that don't wear a lot of jewelry and/or loud, attention-getting garments.. as sadly some of them in some churches must never have heard a sermon on that themselves). #3. If both of those approaches didn't work... possibly a well written letter to her, first appreciating her attendence at church, and also mentioning any service she has contributed to (if any help has been given by her at church functions). Also note that you do not bring this conversation up to embarrass her or single her out, but that she "may not be aware" (even if you suspect, or are even sure she is in fact aware) of her dress being uncomely in the house of the Lord. Reiterate scriptural reasons. Close with the fact that you truly only have serving the Lord with the utmost of your concern, and that you would be remiss to see someone not address the issue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here is the scripture noted above. 1 Tim.2:9-10 9 "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works." 1 Cor.11:1-15 1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." Luke 20:46 "Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts" Matt.23:5-6 5 "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues" 1 John 2:15-16 15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." Titus 2:3-5 3 "The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed." Gal.1:10 "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."
  6. Kisses

    Psalm 2 6-12 in context 6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him." Yes, the Son is clearly speaking of Jesus! But I believe the chapter is speaking of the millennial kingdom, not addressed to the church. Addressed to: Israel, and to the "kings and judges" on the earth whom He gives instruction. The Son, Jesus, is He whom will rule with a rod of iron during the millennial kingdom. Revelation 2:27 "And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." Revelation 12:5 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."
  7. Is a home church a biblical church?

    Matt.18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." 1 Cor.6:17 "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." 1 Cor.6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Cor.12:12-14 "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many." I suppose it all depends on what one believes... what they've been indoctrinated to believe? Or what God's word says?
  8. An Eternity At Dire Risk

    Prayers sent up.
  9. The Mother of Us All

    Thankfully I haven't run across that bunch... but think those who worship the world (and the things in it) are into "mother earth" type of worship. Catholicism comes close as well, sadly, to worshiping Mary (when we are told NOWHERE in scripture to do so) . I wasn't suggesting that we worship Jerusalem above, I sure hope I didn't come off that way! I was just noting that I hadn't heard many sermons on that particular verse.
  10. The Mother of Us All

    While I do agree with this article: Eve being called "the mother of all living" (Gen.3:20) and Sarah being called the mother of the "children of promise" (Gal.4:28) I would question the title... there is only one "mother of us all" noted (in those exact terms) in the Bible. " But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." (Gal.4:26 KJV Bible) Haven't heard many sermons on that....
  11. False Brethren

    Sadly, the devil has long loved to bring SOME Jews against Jews (and Christians). We see Judas as one example. I see today those such as George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg (facebook) with the same intent. I can myself testify to Zuckerberg's own antisemitism due to my posting a factual account of what Israel looked like in the 1800's wherein a king had given use of one of the first cameras and took photos of the area.. proving there were no arab 'palestinians' there at the time. Nothing but wasteland, overgrown with weeds and such. A few Jews remained, there were many former Christian dwellingplaces also overgrown and in disrepair. Even the arab abomination that currently sits on the temple grounds was in rot and decay with trees and bushes growing in front of and out of it's foundation and walls. All was desolate and abandoned, excpet for the few Jews there. Even just a couple of years ago those photos could be easily found on 'google' or other search engines. BUT today the search engine results yield a decidedly antisemitic anti-Jew, and anti-Christian compilation of results. Anyways... those photos were taken down by 'facebook security' claiming it went against their 'community standards'. Yet I had made NO calls for violence nor for murder of anyone. YET the same week I saw NUMEROUS muslim posts which actually called for the murder of Jews. When I (and numerous others) reported those posts calling for violence, those were NOT taken down! There is definitely an antisemitic platform that thrives on facebook (and many other prominent venues online). How sad that Zuckerberg is yet another self-loathing Jew. I also (as you profess to) have the love for Israel and the Jews that we are to have. I recognize that we (gentiles) are merely wild olive grafted in! (Rom.11:17) And it is dangerous grounds to boast of our salvation in comparison to them, also the false teaching of replacement theology is on the rise again... no doubt because these are the perilous last days. If more grace age believers actually understood the great PRIVILEGE we have by even being permitted into God's plan of salvation, for a specific purpose of God, whereas before salvation was of the Jews (John 4:22). Thankfully now we are in the age of grace... Jesus has gone to the cross and paid for our sins, He was buried and rose again the 3rd day (the gospel as outlined in 1 Cor.15:1-4). Right now Jews can come to Christ the same way Gentiles can. Yet, sadly, right now, in the age of grace, many Jews are still blind to the gospel... and will remain blind until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (Rom.11:25). But we must also recognize their blindness is only "IN PART", since Jews still are coming to Christ alone for salvation even today. I know several of them, and am thankful they were part of them that were NOT blinded. There is an agenda which is apparent to any who can Spiritually discern. The unsaved world wants to remove TRUTH because they find truth offensive. During these perilous last days where the characteristics noted in 2 Tim.3:1-7,13 and Rom.1:18-32 are prevalent (we can see ALL of those characteristics right now on full display). I also see 4 major attacks that I can attest have risen over my lifetime, especially in the last couple of years. #1 Antisemitism - hatred of Jews and replacement theology #2 The pre-trib rapture is also under attack #3 The gospel is under attack... many profess a false gospel which doesn't align with what God's word declares the gospel for the age of grace to be (1 Cor.15:1-4) #4 The KJV Bible is also under attack. There are numerous PERversions which have come out that attempt to remove the deity of Christ and even worse attempt to give that deity to lucifer. Besides the removal of numerous verses, the changing of words to mean something other than what God's word said, and the fact that these PERversions all have COPYRIGHTS owned by men... who can (AND DO) change the words in their PERversions often to come up with what they call 'updated' and 'revised' issues. God's word does NOT need to be copyrighted by mankind. Neither does it need to be 'updated' nor 'revised'. The entire goal of those PERversions is to cast doubt on God's word. Just like the serpent did in the garden by questioning "Yea, hath God said?" God preserved His word in the KJV for English speaking peoples.
  12. Short Term Missions Opportunity

    Welcome, brother Freeman. I do hope many will respond to the call. It sounds like a wonderful short-term missions experience. I would be tempted to join in myself were it not for the physical impossibility in my case. I will, however, be praying for your mission work. Also for the physical AND spiritual safety of all those involved in work on the border. The timing is a political hotbed of resistance from those who are against President Trump's desire to make the border more secure, as well as the drug lords who oversee the border from the southern side, and also the spiritual wickedness behind both of those forces. I will pray that each and every person whom takes part in the mission work there knows and is instructed to put on the full armor of God as detailed in Ephesians 6:10-18. And that the Lord would greatly bless this work, and many would have their eyes opened, and to turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Jesus alone. Maranatha!
  13. Why can't people do what they say they'll do?

    Not everyone who CLAIMS to be a Christian actually IS a believer. (Matt.7:22-23). There will be some who claimed to believe on Christ for salvation, who actually were trusting in their OWN 'good works' to save them. Then again, even though we (true believers) have trusted in Christ's finished work alone for salvation, we are still in corruptible bodies. Romans 7 deals with this... even though we would desire to do good always, "evil is present" with us (v.21). I would suggest to bring this up to the brother in private... but in all honesty, pride generally gets in the way of them HEARING what you are saying, and many become rather defensive about their sins. They see us as "enemies" because we tell them the truth (Gal.4:16), even when worded in the most tactful love of Christ... I instead suggest PRAYER for the fellow. The Lord can work on his heart much more than we could. Only the Lord can soften a prideful/defensive heart.
  14. In Rev.6:15-17 we see those people HIDING themselves where??? In the dens and rocks of the mountains. Right? SO... this IS entirely plausible when we see that the earthquake described in Rev.6 MOVES the mountains. Whereas the earthquake described in Rev.16 entirely obliterates the mountains, so that they are "not found". QUESTION: How can a person(s) HIDE in the dens and rocks of the mountains if there ARE NO mountains remaining to hide in the dens and rocks of? Just another reason why the earthquakes described are different. It would NOT be possible for them to be hiding in dens and rocks of the mountains that no longer existed (in Rev.16) Would it? How can you say that??? Throughout Revelation we see that the unsaved world RECOGNIZES it is indeed God's wrath, and yet they still "repent not". Just one (of the many) case in points would be Rev.16:9 "And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory." So how can you possibly say that no-one will understand it is God's wrath... when the unsaved world is blaspheming HIM for the wrath??? And yet they "repent not". Early on in Rev.6:17 we see the PRONOUNCEMENT that it IS God's wrath/the wrath of the Lamb that they are attempting (in vain) to hide from! I can see why you WANT to move this book to the end of the 70th week of Daniel. But I can also see why the Lord placed it FIRST in the series of events. The 7 seals of wrath, God makes sure to let us know TWICE that it is AFTER these events (of Rev.6). First in Rev.7:1 "And after these things". And again at the beginning of Rev.8:1-2 "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets." Again... an orderly progression, with specific wording. The 7 seals of wrath FOLLOWED by the 7 trumpets of wrath ("after these things"= Rev.7:1, and then we see the silence in heaven at the 7th seal, and THEN we see the trumpets commence. The wording is there for a reason... it has to be either dealt with and comprehended OR ignored. As much as one would LIKE to change the wording to suit a theory, it cannot be done. Rev.22:18-19 contains a warning about that.
  15. Let's compare the specific parts of 2 verses in question that are dealing with mountains and islands, and see if they say the same thing??? (Rev.6:14) "...every mountain and island were moved out of their places." (Rev.16:20) "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." That is NOT the same thing at all! In Rev.6 we see that the mountains/islands are MOVED. Whereas in Rev.16 we see that they are completely GONE ("not found"). Here is a simplistic comparison: if we were to live on a mountain, and the mountain was MOVED during an earthquake, we COULD possibly survive it. BUT if we were to live on a mountain when the Rev.16 earthquake happens we could NOT survive it. The mountain will be completely removed ("not found") during that event. Far different than just being "moved out of their places". (Thankfully I won't be here for EITHER event. Maranatha!) There will be an great earthquake described in Rev.6 (v.12) as well as celestial events described, BUT these are NOT the same events as described in Rev.16! The earthquake in Rev.16 is the largest one ever... far worse than the Rev.6 earthquake. Rev. 16:18 "...great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great." We don't see the SAME reference given in Rev. 6... God's word does not tell us that the earthquake in Rev.6 is "such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great", no, that wording occurs in Rev.16. The earthquake in Rev.16 doesn't just MOVE the mountains and island, it completely obliterates them (every island flees AWAY and every mountain is NOT FOUND). Big difference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reading/studying Rev.6 thru 19 we see an orderly progression of event which WORSEN as they go. This corresponds with what Jesus said in Matt.24 verses 7-8, when Jesus foretells of "earthquakes in divers places" and He says that these are the BEGINNING of sorrows. We know that term to mean like a woman in labor. Each contraction gets WORSE, comes closer and closer together. Each contraction becomes progressively more difficult to bear. You say it seems clear to you. Well, this seems clear to me. The earthquake described in Rev.6 is part of the 'beginning of sorrows' which Jesus described. The earthquake in Rev.16 is at a later time, and so of course it would be more catastrophic than an earlier one. Birth pains... stronger, harder, closer together, progressively more woe-some. When we pay careful attention to the details in Rev.8 we see that a THIRD of the trees and grass are burnt up. Rev.8:7 "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." We also see that this event happens AFTER the 144,000 male Jewish virgins have been sealed in Rev. chapter 7. You seem to be implying that there couldn't be any trees or grass TO be burnt up if there were an earthquake as described in Rev.6 which merely MOVED the mountains and islands out of their places. I don't see "end of the world stuff" in Rev.6. I DO see mountains and islands being MOVED. But I don't see them being "found no more" in Rev.6, as I do in Rev.16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I completely agree with brother DaveW. And this wasn't answered. Does one just THROW OUT the words "And after these things"? I hope not.
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