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    Disciple.Luke reacted to TheSword1227 in Jehovah's Witness   
    I like the fact that you toss out their literature. it's one of the ways Christians can help. I do this all the time as I see their literature everywhere.
    Those in a "works" theology always have much zeal. What they lack is assurance of where they will end up when this life is over. I once spoke with an elderly gentleman who was a JW his whole life. I asked him if he had assurance of salvation. He said: "I can only hope I have done enough." Sad.
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    Disciple.Luke got a reaction from Orval in how far will the religious left go?   
    Very true quote. I see the "Christian" ranks diving in my own city. I have noticed that the traditional more "moderate" churches are mostly attended by Seinor Citizens who have been devoted to that specific congregation for a life time, but are not attracting middle aged worshippers (unless they turn Sundays into a rock concert and never mention sin in sermons). I know of a church that had 500 regular attenders just a little over two years ago, but have dwindled to 300 hundred because 200 people died of old age during those two,years.
    The IFB church I attend is growing rapidly with pews filled with members of every age group. There is no middle ground any more. If you believe in the Basic Fundamental Christian teachings there are only a few churches left to choose from.
    At the same time the liberals are looking for like minded congregations where faith is viewed as some historic tradition, so they don't have to feel guilty about living a lifestyle contrary to Biblical teachings.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to InSeasonOut in Paradise - by Mark Cahill   
    Awesome. Good to hear. I actually have all his books. He's a good writer/speaker. Definitely encouraged me as well.
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    Disciple.Luke got a reaction from InSeasonOut in Paradise - by Mark Cahill   
    I haven't read that particular book, but Mark Cahills book "The One Thing You Can't Do In Heaven" helped make me more passionate about personal evangelism.
    I have had at least a dozen conversations with Mark via email, and know he is a KJV Independent Baptist.
    He has excellent tracts and videos. I would recommend his stuff to everyone on MarkCahill.org
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to InSeasonOut in Paradise - by Mark Cahill   
    Paradise is novel of 220 pages, by Mark Cahill from 2013. It is his 1st novel, although he has written 3 "non-fiction" books on soul-winning. Paradise is his first of 3 novels. (Paradise, Reunion, and The Last Ride - which partly carry into one another but each could be considered stand alone novels and need not be read in order).
    Some may rightly think, oh no not another "Christian novel". But all scriptures are taken from the King James Bible (in all his books). I myself am not a fan of novels so much, but Cahill has an interesting writing take in his novel and is useful for both Christians and unbelievers, as it would make a good gift for a lost friend or family member. Many people don't like to read, and gifting "The Genesis Record" by Henry Morris (or something similar) would be overwhelming. Perhaps they might read a novel if it sounds interesting. Which I say it is and would recommend it, as Paradise is a fast paced novel, that makes you think and keep turning the pages wondering where the story goes.
    The main character is Josh, an unbeliever who is on a vacation trip with 3 college friends to Hawaii. Josh thinks Hawaii is a paradise on earth. He is confronted with the gospel and hears of the heavenly paradise. His vacation time on Hawaii is limited, but thinks upon the eternal Paradise. A lot of information is included in the novel, like how the bible is true, info on creation, archeology and reliability of it, the resurrection of Jesus and more. All info is clearly presented and understandable for new readers and even a well studied Christian might learn a thing or two.
    Overall this book is "entertaining" because of the novel format. There is also information on Hawaii and the "sight seeing" there. I won't get into the story. I've spoiled nothing and if this sounds of interest, then definitely check it out. An enjoyable adventure.
    -Jake
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to DaveW in "the spirits in prison"   
    Sorry gotta pull you up on this one.
    The Bible says:
    Gen 6:4
    (4)  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
    Notice that there were giants in the earth in those days; and ALSO AFTER THAT, when.....
    The Giants were not the offspring of "the sons of God" and the "daughters of men", but were pre-existing that event. Those offspring became "Mighty men", "Men of renown", but there is no mention of them being giants.
     
     
    As to Giants:
    1Sa 17:4
    (4)  And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.
     
    In 1 Sam, 2 Sam, 1 Chron. Goliath and his brothers are referred to as sons of the giant.
    A Giant is certainly referred to in the Bible as a large man, but not as anything more than a large man. Six cubits and a span is roughly ten feel tall, which is far taller than the average man today, but it is not far off what has been seen in modern times.
    Robert Waldo was just shy of nine feet tall. (around 1940)
    Look at Yao Ming, the Chinese basketballer standing next to Shaquille O'niell and tell me taht he is only 7'6" as stated - Shaq is 7'2" (I think) and is waaaaaay shorted than Yao Ming,
    Giant in the Bible never means "Jack and the beanstalk" giant.
     
     
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    Disciple.Luke got a reaction from Orval in how far will the religious left go?   
    Very true quote. I see the "Christian" ranks diving in my own city. I have noticed that the traditional more "moderate" churches are mostly attended by Seinor Citizens who have been devoted to that specific congregation for a life time, but are not attracting middle aged worshippers (unless they turn Sundays into a rock concert and never mention sin in sermons). I know of a church that had 500 regular attenders just a little over two years ago, but have dwindled to 300 hundred because 200 people died of old age during those two,years.
    The IFB church I attend is growing rapidly with pews filled with members of every age group. There is no middle ground any more. If you believe in the Basic Fundamental Christian teachings there are only a few churches left to choose from.
    At the same time the liberals are looking for like minded congregations where faith is viewed as some historic tradition, so they don't have to feel guilty about living a lifestyle contrary to Biblical teachings.
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    Disciple.Luke got a reaction from Orval in how far will the religious left go?   
    Very true quote. I see the "Christian" ranks diving in my own city. I have noticed that the traditional more "moderate" churches are mostly attended by Seinor Citizens who have been devoted to that specific congregation for a life time, but are not attracting middle aged worshippers (unless they turn Sundays into a rock concert and never mention sin in sermons). I know of a church that had 500 regular attenders just a little over two years ago, but have dwindled to 300 hundred because 200 people died of old age during those two,years.
    The IFB church I attend is growing rapidly with pews filled with members of every age group. There is no middle ground any more. If you believe in the Basic Fundamental Christian teachings there are only a few churches left to choose from.
    At the same time the liberals are looking for like minded congregations where faith is viewed as some historic tradition, so they don't have to feel guilty about living a lifestyle contrary to Biblical teachings.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to Ukulelemike in how far will the religious left go?   
    A great comment on this article:
                   "If you aren't serious about following Jesus, now is the time to get to it. The lines of the truly faithful are being drawn wider and wider apart."
    How true is that?
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to DaveW in Preservation and the KJV   
    Mr Tyndale, an answer if you please?
     
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Preservation and the KJV   
    Brother Ken,
    In English grammar the English verb changes verb tenses, voices, and moods by changing verb endings and by adding helping verbs, such as -- "am, is, are, was, were, be, being, been, have, has, had, do, does, did, should, could, would, will (wilt), shall, can, may, might, must."  However, in both Hebrew and Greek we do not find such a use of separate "helping" verbs.  Rather, in Hebrew and Greek the verb tenses, voices, and moods are developed simply through changing verb forms and endings.  As such, that which English grammar accomplishes with "helping" verbs Hebrew and Greek builds right into the change of verb forms and endings themselves.  Even so, the use of these "helping" verbs in an English translation actually DOES find its source in the Hebrew and Greek, not as individual "helping" verbs, but as that which is grammatically built into the individual Hebrew or Greek verb form and ending.  The given Hebrew or Greek verb, including its particular form and ending, IS the source word for the English verb and its helping verb.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to No Nicolaitans in Preservation and the KJV   
    You are getting into the difference between translation methods; of which, there are three main methods...
    Formal or Literal (word-for-word) Dynamic (though-for-thought) Free (the idea behind or paraphrase) The methods explain themselves.
    If we want to know God's actual word(s), then we would want a Formal Equivalency (or Literal translation). Probably, the two most popular Literal translations are the King James Version and the English Standard Version (ESV). However, though both are a literal translation, one must also consider the underlying texts from which they are translated. 
    Dynamic Equivalency gives what the translator's believe to be a translation based upon the overall "thought" of a passage. So, instead of translating the actual words of a text, they are translating what they think are the thoughts behind the texts. They may loosely follow the actual words, but the main thrust is the thought behind the text. Hence, the New International Version (NIV). Certainly, this type of translation method is prone to error since the translator(s) will be inserting their own interpretation.
    Free translating...aka...paraphrasing is basically translating the idea behind the text...and is unhindered and unrestrained by the actual words of the text. Indeed, this type of translation method is more than prone to error. The Living Bible and The Message are two popular paraphrases. I personally refer to "The Message" as "The Massacre". :)
    As to adding to God's word; the King James translators were very specific in italicizing any words that they added...words to give a clearer meaning to the text. No other version (that I know of does this). At least they were honest and forthright in what they added. As such, their "additions" didn't actually add to the word of God. There will always be some type of addition needed when translating one language into another. In fact, if one has access to the Greek, and one is able to translate the Greek, one would see that the sentence structure is quite different than that of English sentence structure. So, whereas, the King James translates word for word, it also repositions words so as to make sense to an English reader. 
    In my view, it comes down to this...
    God told us to study his "WORD". We are to live by his "WORD". He magnifies his WORD above his name (Psalm 138:2). In light of this, I want to know...HIS WORD. With the help of the Holy Spirit and study, I can grasp the "thought" (Dynamic Equivalency) behind his actual word(s); I can grasp the "idea" (Free paraphrasing) behind his actual word(s). I don't need someone else telling me what THEY think God's thoughts were or what his ideas were. If I have his actual words, I can get that from him. ;)
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to 1611mac in Faith Alone and Matthew 25   
    Hi.. As you begin (or continue) to study your Bible look for "dispensations."  Now... that's a big word but it's pretty simple. The scripture you cite must be studied "in context" and part of the context is the "dispensation" being discussed (Alan does a good job addressing that above).   I think you said you were a new/young Christian over in another thread... Focus on WORDS and their meaning as you study.  I used to teach that CONTEXT was the most important thing in Bible study.  I now teach that it is the 2nd most important thing.  First is WORDS and their meaning.  You can't get the context if you don't know the meaning.  But CONTEXT is right up there in importance. Always, ask: Who, what, when, where, why.  
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to heartstrings in "the spirits in prison"   
    Yes, the thread was closed so i couldn't answer there.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to heartstrings in "the spirits in prison"   
    From my understanding the wicked dead and the believers went to two places, separated from each other by a "great gulf".
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to 1Timothy115 in The Trail of Blood   
    Just to make it patently clear. This booklet shows that the believer, saved by grace through faith, endued with the Holy Spirit, has NO connection to the Church of Rome, Romish church, RCC (or whatever they want to call themselves).
    As example: For myself, I did not separate from the Romish church nor was I a member of a 'protestant' movement. I am an Independent Fundamental blood washed member of my local assembly which happens to be called an Independent Baptist Church.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to DaveW in Hello Everyone   
    G'day RGVbaptist.
    What does the RVG stand for, if I can ask that?
    There is a Baptist ministry section which is possibly the right place but you have to ask permission to accesd it and you have to prove that you are actually a baptist to get that permission. We have had people over the years come in to cause trouble, and let's be honest - baptists can cause each other quite enough trouble without extra help. 
    Jim will be along at some stage to give you more info.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to No Nicolaitans in Giving the Gospel / Are YOU Ashamed of Christ?   
    Yesterday, I shared the gospel with someone with whom I've befriended in Britain. Please pray for him if the thought crosses your mind. He has gotten caught up in the new age mindset of... "we're all one small part of the greater universe"..."all roads lead to the same place"..."we all have good in us, and it's what we do with that good that matters"...etc.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to Ronda in Giving the Gospel / Are YOU Ashamed of Christ?   
     
    Giving the Gospel / Are You Ashamed of Christ?
    I had intended on writing a SHORT encouraging note to others about sharing the gospel.
    That truly was my main intent prior to setting about to type some thoughts and copy corresponding scripture down...
    But as often happens, the Lord put something else on my heart. 
    I recently had a discussion with a fellow believer who admitted that he or she rarely shared the gospel with others.
    Since the conversation was somewhat recent, it may be why the Lord put it on my heart, BUT I think it may well be that it wasn't this person (in particular) but someone else (unknown to me whom) and perhaps ALL of us that could benefit by serious consideration of the following 2 questions (and why the Lord put it on my heart to bring this forward HERE today, I am not sure, but felt compelled to do so).
    The 2 questions I am asking each one of us to consider today are these:
    #1. Do you share the gospel with others?
    #2. Are you ashamed of Christ?
    Most of us here (at least those whom I've come to know somewhat) would likely answer the questions with an emphatic "YES, I share the gospel", and "NO, I am not ashamed of the Lord".
    But I'd like to ask you all to take time to delve deep into those answers and see if we ALL couldn't improve?
    I'd like to first address any who would be brave enough to admit (even if only to themselves) that they do NOT often share the gospel with others... and ask them Why not?
    (And I am not asking for anyone here to come forth to admit they do not, nor give a reason, nor am I singling out anyone in particular... just asking them to please read and consider these things I am writing)
    In another group I heard many (anonymous) responses to that question (of why they do not regularly share the gospel) with the following answers:
    A. I am shy or uncomfortable sharing the gospel
    B. I don't know how to start the conversation
    C. I don't know scripture well enough to show (or tell) another person the gospel
    D. I could lose my job if I did
    E. It starts arguments in the family when I've tried before
    F. I would be ridiculed or mocked
    G. No-one listens anyways
    H. It's not socially acceptable, there is a time and place for that kind of thing
    I. I leave that up to others (for varying reasons)
    J. I don't have time
    K. No one has ever asked me 
    L. I'm not a proficient speaker
    M. I worry about what others might think of me
    N. I am a coward
    There are likely hundreds of other answer such as these, but do we recognize they are all EXCUSES???
    Yes, if you have never shared the gospel before it can seem daunting and be uncomfortable (at first).
    But is that really a good excuse? Just like everything, the more you do something, the more proficient you become at it, the less stressful or intimidated you will feel.
    As for those who answer "I don't know scripture well enough"... there is a remedy for that! Only you can determine to study God's word and remedy your ignorance of it... asking prayerfully for Him to lead and guide.
    There is another reason which we ALL need to examine ourselves about...
    We need to question ourselves truthfully and ask: Are we ashamed of Christ?
     
    Even for those whom have answered "YES, I share the gospel with others", I would like to ask you also to consider this question as well...
    Do we find that at times we don't share the gospel because we are worried more about what mankind thinks rather than serving the Lord?
    Are we worried that it could cause familial rifts? Cost us social standing? Be passed up for promotion? Possibly even lose a job? 
    Either way there is a pattern I have noticed among some believers today. A pattern of shame. 
    I wonder how many recognize that with knowing the gospel comes a responsibility to SHARE the gospel with others? 
    I also wonder if many of us are waiting around for SOMEONE ELSE to share the gospel with our loved ones???
    I've seen many a prayer request (on other venues) for an unsaved family member, but when asked it they themselves have shared the gospel with that loved one the response is often some hemming and hawing, and an admission of "NO", they have not.
    The excuse most often given is "it never seems to be the right time".
    I'd like to note that it is ALWAYS the right time to share the gospel. 
    No-one is promised tomorrow... if that unsaved loved one were to die today and YOU didn't share the gospel with them... how will answer the Lord? Will you then make more excuses as to why you didn't share the gospel? Do you think HE will accept them?
    Some serious questions we need to each ask ourselves... and if you are waiting for an opportune time, might I suggest NOW.
    " Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
    "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."
    "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
    "And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."
    "As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
    "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
    " For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
    "According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death."
    "Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
    There is more scripture to draw from regarding this topic. But I wonder if we couldn't ALL do better insharing the gospel.
    I can attest to the fact that both Christians and conservatives are being censored on Facebook and other social media platforms.
    Over the last year I have felt compelled to share the gospel there where it is needed most.
    I was recently banned on facebook for 24 hours for quoting (ironically). 
    The very next week I was given a 72 hour ban (which only lasted 24 hours???) with no real reason given.
    The facebook message from "facebook security" stated that they had "noticed suspicious activity on my account"... but they failed to note exactly WHAT the alleged "suspicious activity" was!
    I have heard numerous accounts from other Christian and conservative facebook users in regard to this.
    I have one friend on facebook who ONLY posts scripture, and she also was given a 24 hour ban recently.
    For far too long, we in the states have become complacent, thinking that we will always have the free speech we enjoyed thus far in our lifetimes.
    Many of us have become lazy thinking that now that republicans hold the presidency, the house, and the senate that our freedom of speech is secure.
    Even though the left lost the election, they are still in control of most media. Zuckerberg (facebook) as well as the owners of Google are openly censoring conservative and Christian content. (If you haven't YET noticed a change in your search results there on Google, you soon will).
    They have gotten together (along with many leftist groups) in order to determine what THEY think is "fake news", which of course means that anything in opposition to their own liberal-left-leaning ideology they will deem to be "fake news".
    As many missionaries here can attest, they do not have the same freedoms to witness to others as we have here in the US.
    Yet sadly, so many of us are frittering away time here, taking for granted we will always have such freedom to share the gospel openly.
    I wanted to bring forth this timely encouragement for believers to share the gospel with as many as you can... in whatever venue you can... WHILE you can.
    If you are not sure what the gospel IS... it is found in
    1 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;"
    2 "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."
    3 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;"
    4 "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
    The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ Jesus.
    Sadly, this is often overlooked in an attempt to share WHY one must believe on Jesus for salvation, and skip right to the "believe" but not WHAT to believe! (A watered down version of the gospel).
    How many times growing up did I hear the Billy Graham style mantra of HIS version of the "gospel"?
    Graham's version was: "Ask Jesus into your heart".
    Where, I wonder, did he find THAT "gospel"? And how many were deceived by it?
    Now that we know what the gospel is, we also know that we must BELIEVE the gospel.
     
    16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
    17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
    18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

    9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
    10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
    "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

    "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation:
    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
    We see then that the gospel (the death, burial, and resurrection) must be believed for salvation.
    We further see that Jesus took OUR sins upon Himself on the cross... He went willingly to, to pay for those sins which we coud NEVER pay for ourselves ("...all our rightousness are as filthy rags..." ).
    Salvation is a free gift, but one must BELIEVE and accept the gift... it is not 'automatically applied' without belief. In fact, tells us "... he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.".
    We further see that in His resurrection, Jesus defeated death... rising in a glorified, uncorruptible body!
    So that we (believers) will ALSO have a body like Jesus' own perfected eternal body (1 John 3:2).
    When will we receive those uncorruptible/perfected bodies? At the rapture!

    51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
    52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
    53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
    54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
    55 "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"

    13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
    14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
    15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep."
    16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
    17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
    18 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
    God's word tells us to "comfort one another with these words".
    Nothing is more comforting to a believer than to know that Jesus has defeated both sin and death... and HE is the reason for the hope that is within us.
    Won't YOU share the gospel with someone today? Or could it be... and be honest with yourself and with the Lord... that you are ashamed of the gospel? Ashamed of Christ?

     
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    Disciple.Luke got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in Billy Graham   
    Your reasoning is what is illogical. Billy Graham is only a sinful human like everyone else, and that's why we have to examine our beliefs daily to make sure our beliefs fall in line with the Bible. Even if an angel from heaven comes down preaching a "different" gospel, we would have to reject it as false teaching.
    Even if, as you say, that false statements outside the pulpit don't really count as his personal beliefs, that would just make him look like a hypocrite and a liar.
    I respect Billy Graham, but he isn't infallible when it comes to doctrine and theology.
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    Disciple.Luke got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in Billy Graham   
    Your reasoning is what is illogical. Billy Graham is only a sinful human like everyone else, and that's why we have to examine our beliefs daily to make sure our beliefs fall in line with the Bible. Even if an angel from heaven comes down preaching a "different" gospel, we would have to reject it as false teaching.
    Even if, as you say, that false statements outside the pulpit don't really count as his personal beliefs, that would just make him look like a hypocrite and a liar.
    I respect Billy Graham, but he isn't infallible when it comes to doctrine and theology.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to No Nicolaitans in Billy Graham   
    John, you are either continuing your game, or you are naive in your understanding.
    Popes make statements from pulpits, Benny Hinn makes statements from pulpits, and all kinds of false teachers make statements from behind pulpits, yet the pulpit doesn't make the statement true.
    If you actually believe what you're espousing, you have my deepest and most sincere regret for your naivety. However, if you are just espousing shenanigans that are supposedly pointed at Christianity, you are the one looking quite foolish...not us.
    Which is it friend? 
    Sadly...as much as I appreciated your "uniqueness" at first...I will no longer play your game at this point.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to 1611mac in Billy Graham   
    Well, I think anyone would agree that we all rejoice about the "good" done in his ministry...  In my mind that is a given...
    But his teaching has not changed. False doctrine is to be rebuked. If I spouted false doctrine here you would rebuke me... you wouldn't ask how many people have been saved as a result of my preaching Christ.  And then, even at that, you'd have to decide how many "salvations" it takes to "qualify" for non-rebuke.  We have too many compromising pragmatists!
     
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to No Nicolaitans in Billy Graham   
    John,
    I appreciate what I perceive as being your sense of humor; however, Mr. Graham has shown in personal interviews what his view of salvation is...and it's not biblical. 
    If this is all just a game to you (along with your other posts in other threads), then have your fun while it lasts. It's no longer humorous...even to me. If it's not a game, and you actually believe what you're posting, then you have a long way to go my friend.
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    Disciple.Luke reacted to DaveW in Billy Graham   
    The plain facts of the matter:
    some people were saved under the ministry of Billy Graham Billy Graham from some of the earliest times spoke in interviews things that are contrary to biblical salvation. Billy Graham is known to accept and stand with groups that clearly DO NOT preach the biblical Gospel. Those are the facts.
    WHY he stands with unbiblical groups, and WHY he says things in interviews that are contrary to the Biblical Gospel is actually NOT IN THE LEAST BIT IMPORTANT.
    If he is mentally unstable as you suggest without any evidence or proof. or if he knew exactly what he was doing and why, it makes no difference - some people were saved under his ministry and preaching, but in interviews he teaches a false gospel.
    End of story, those are the facts.
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