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Joe Coley

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  1. Early church eternal security

    Thanks for the info. I will give it a try.
  2. How are things at church?

    that is the question: is it allowed for some worship like maybe just for song specials, or for groups that sing , or for preaching, or for the choir songs or for just keeping beat.... what do you do in your church?
  3. How are things at church?

    I am not sure if this has been covered, but I was wandering if you all might tell whether your church allows clapping in the services ? what has been your experience or view of clapping in worship meetings. do you believe its appropriate for some worship, all ,or none at all? I am interested to see where churches stand today on the issue . thanks
  4. Early church eternal security

    has anyone compared the two programs and know which would be the best ? and whether you must have a certain windows to download them ? how much is sword searcher after 30 days? maybe I'm in the wrong place to ask this
  5. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    please accept my apology brethren if I don't not agree with you and there be any offence, but obviously we are most likely grounded in our belief as I would kindly disagree with your rebuttals . so the questions is whether we can accept what we clearly believe to be error from each other and be done with this saga. as I posted my purpose was to simply declare our stand, and not to argue the point. I am sure there are many areas where we do agree and can have good fellowship. I have friends in the ministry who understand the we do not agree on many issues and we are willing to let it go: at times we even harass one another joyfully, "there is that Ruckmanite again"....this one thing I know.. Great peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them. plus I know one more thing; we are by our own words brethren and I don't think there will be sections in heaven so we don't have to speak! may as well get to liken one another down here. somebody give me a thought for sundays message ! I will by Gods grace not bother you with this thread any longer. have a blessed day.
  6. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    I would like to get a penny for my thoughts, but don't expect any change back. the reason in season and out , as well as myself and some others called bible believers agree along the same lines is basically due to our method of study which is based upon 2nd Timothy 2:15 ..." rightly dividing the word of truth"... for example, we believe that what paul wrote to the church was just that , it was to the church and should not apply to the Jews or to Gentiles until they become a part of the church. when our Lord said in matthew 24:13 "But He that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved." he was clearly not speaking to the church but rather to the Jews . If I get a credit card bill in my mail box that is addressed to brother Jim , I can learn a lot from reading it, however I am not responsible to pay the bill because it is not addressed to me. we simply believe the key to understanding scripture is knowing who is speaking, who is spoken to, and what is he saying. If the scripture is not applied this way then many bible truths become misplaced and produce heresies . that is why the church of Christ teaches water baptism as part of salvation, its why the charismatics speak in tongues....... every heresy is a truth misplaced. ALL of the bible is written for our learning , but it is not all directed to the church. when the rich young ruler came to the Lord and asked him how to attain eternal life ,what the Lord did not say was believe the death, buriel , and resurrection, because it did not apply because the Lord was standing there in the flesh speaking to him, while you may not agree with our method or approach I feel it is important to understand where we are coming from. Heb. 11:1 says " Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." so in the Mill. when Jesus is sitting on the throne of David , they will see him! and if it is sight it is no more of faith. now concerning O T salvation. look at Ez. 3:20 Again when a righteous man ( right with God) doth turn from his righteousness ( go back in sin) and commit iniquity , and I lay a stumbling block before him,he shall die:because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin,and his righteousness WHICH HE HATH DONE, shall not be remembered; ....." this is one of the verses that charismatics teach for loosing salvation , the only problem is that it does not apply to the church. brethren with all humility and truthfulness in my heart , the sole purpose here is that you understand why we ( I) believe what we believe and that even if you disagree we can agree that we disagree and have fellowship and rejoicing over the fact that we could still be cursing and fighting with cue sticks at bubbas bar.(no offence to all the bubbas and their husbands ) but we are fellowshipping over the precious words of God. And I am not worthy!! be blessed.
  7. Churches

    Personally, I like the free meal Baptist!!!!!
  8. let us try this again

    yes su, ifin dat don wuk, I kin perdooce sum moa tangs to.
  9. Dragging dead babies !

    As Solomon's wisdom is being displayed he tells the servants to bring a sword and divide the living baby and to give each woman half. As we consider this spiritually we know that Gods church is his living baby. it needs to be fed, guided, nourished, corrected,,chastened, and cared for in many other ways. To many times its is divided ( split ) for the sake of the baby that is dead. to many times Gods people give new meaning to raising the dead. a dead baby can not be helped, you cant change it, you cant correct it , it will not eat. you cant gain anything from a dead baby but a stink! however time and time again we find ourselves splitting Gods church over a dead baby! if we could only learn to let dead babys die, and put our attention on Gods living baby, how much better would our churches be in worship and service. Pastor Coley
  10. let us try this again

    I am a pastor, looking for a place of fellowship ( not battleship ) if I have wronged anyone please accept my humble apology! my desire is to encourage and be encouraged, I am a bible believing Baptist, and I take the word of God literally where possible , when not ,I take it spiritually.first and foremost I am a born again Christian, I am not afraid of debates in its time and place. no one has to agree with everything I say as long as I am in a place where I have a right to say it. if I am addressing someone or being addressed I don't think others should have to wonder in confusion about what is said or meant. I love the church that God died for and hope the Lord is pleased with the time I spend in conversation with others of like faith. if this meets with the approval of this board and you would be pleased then I would like to give it another try, be blessed , Pastor Dr. Joe Coley
  11. To much power!

    Our Lord led this blind man out of town, put spit on his eyes and asked him if he saw ought. the blind man said "I see men as trees walking". now I have read many sermons and commentaries on this subject and it seems they all have one thing in agreement , that for many different reasons given our Lord was unable to accomplish the task when he first attempted it. some say because of their unbelief,others because of the area he was in......etc.If you all would bear with me a little in my folly, I heard that somewhere,lol may I suggest the one thing to consider that I found in kmow writings, and that is the possibility that our Lord gave him to much power and allowed him to see like God sees ! for the Lord indeed sees men as trees all through the word of God.God said "all my trees are full of sap" he spoke of the trees of Lebanon...he said in Eccl. if a tree falls to the north or the south ,in the place where the tree falls , there it is...... consider when our Lord touched his eyes again it was not to add more spit, rather to remove some! and would our lives not be much better off in compassion and help to one another if we could all stop once in a while and see as God sees?
  12. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    brother Jim, this is Pastor Coley, I will not make implications so you can try to figure out who is he referring to. I am not a novice and have been in the ministry and studying this book for 30 years. I have a BA , MA AND 2 PHDS and trashed them all because they were unscriptural as best as I understood. from an IFB school. I haven't bashed anyone here because they disagree with me, my desire was to (be a help and blessing as a teacher of the word. it is however obvious that if I do not agree with the doctrines of this board that I am a heretic , ( them , the some, the they,.....) I have on big boy pants, and have tried to with kindness say where I stand, and at least promote thought. so I will bow out and find fellowship where it is ok to do so. be blessed brethren . pastor Coley
  13. Babies Go To Hell!

    WOW!!!! EVER LEARNING?.........
  14. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    maybe acts should have been spelled AX .
  15. When the church started. Pentecost or Israel

    food for thought: God had to protect the tree in the garden or Adam could have eaten of it and had eternal life. the disciples were not born again until they believed after his resurrection . in luke 24 they came to put spices on a dead body , not to witness his resurrection, he told them many times he would be taken , killed and rise again and they understood not the things he said.the spirit was given them in John for a special purpose not for salvation. he told Peter "after you are converted...." a man is not save in the millinial reign by faith because faith will be site, for jesus will be seen sitting on the throne of david. there is more than one gospel ,that is why Paul warned the church against preacing any other gospel ,,an angel is preaching the everlasting gospel in Rev. 14 and it is FEAR GOD AND GIVE HIM THE GLORY. FOR TRIBULATION. In short , we tey to apply everything to the church today but it want fit! Paul was not saved the way we are saved ! no one in Matthew was saved like you are. they had there sin covered , not removed, You don't have to take a lamb to the slaughter once a year. now come on guys the old test. saints went to paradise and many came up after Jesus resurrection and walked the streets of the city. Jesus was the only graduate in his first grade class because every boy his age was dead, so spiritually speaking every time the scribes and Pharisees saw him in the flesh , they saw the death , burial, and resurrection. no one in the old test. was looking forward to the cross!
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