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  1. Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    Ok, I took HappyChristian's advice. (Which was helpful, btw, thank you HC) Just so we're clear, I am not trolling, instigating debate or attempting to sow discord amongst brethren. I tend to be a very straightforward woman & I hope that does not come off as being abrasive because I really do not mean it that way. I apologize if I have rubbed anyone here the wrong way, including you, Daniel. I am struggling to understand this teaching, because I have not heard it before, and have never even met anyone who believes in eternal security that does NOT believe OSAS. It just doesn't make sense to me, so I'm trying to see what I'm missing, and hoping someone more seasoned in this particular subject can help fill in the missing pieces. So, here's where I am at with this.....From what I've studied, & what I've heard preached, OSAS IS the doctrine referring to the eternal security of the Believer. if anyone else understands this differently, please feel free to let me know. Kind Regards, Claire
  2. Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    This is what I'm having trouble with: the last paragraph above. You say a person isn't really saved if they are living in "habitual sin". That simply is NOT true. ONLY Jesus Christ was without sin. YOU ARE a sinner. I am a sinner. Salvation does NOT make you perfect whilst still dwelling in our body of flesh. Our SPIRIT is regenerated, yes, but our human flesh is sinful. Indeed, we war against our flesh. You realize that we probably sin everyday & even sin without realizing it, right? The Bible says even the THOUGHT of foolishness is sin. Just having a foolish thought is a sin. Even though we aren't committing major sins like adultery, fornication, murder, stealing, etc., committing one single sin , one little lie (and we've ALL told a lie before) is all it takes to condemn a person to Hell. ONE sin. So, why do you keep saying "habitual", as if that somehow makes someone MORE guilty than one single sin? You said : "Living in habitual sin and claiming to be Christian, and yet not FOLLOWING him proves you are NOT His sheep." Do you see how that statement (which you have changed from original Scripture & inserted your own theories into) vaguely, yet positively, implies a works-based salvation? The original did not. So let's examine it, because it is vague, ambiguous & can be interpreted in various ways, a couple of which I have listed below, one of the most troubling being *When someone keeps Committing sin , (despite testifying that they BELIEVE on the Gospel of Jesus the Christ & ALL their faith & trust is in HIS righteousness--as they have none of their own--moving them to ask for & thereby receiving God's FREE gift of salvation & are now already saved) and are not out publicly doing Christian work, that is proof that He has NOT saved you.* ~~~~~~OR~~~~~~~~ *As long as you do NOT sin, & follow all of God's commandments, and make sure everyone knows about it, then you have proven yourself worthy of being accepted as a Christian & proclaiming yourself His sheep.* Whether you realize it or not, you keep trying to add works to grace for salvation. It cannot be both. It is either faith or works, and the Bible says it is by FAITH ALONE..I believe the Bible. i read a post of yours in another thread where you attack easy believism. I guess you must think it is hard getting saved. That's not what the Bible says. Believing on Christ IS easy. HE did the work. He KNEW we could NOT. But many will not BELIEVE because they want to work their way there. They'll never make it that way. I suppose you will think I must not be saved because I embrace OSAS & easy believism.. but I am. That's a fact. It has nothing to do with my goodness , but rather it is the perfect goodness of Jesus, who bore my sins on the cross, and shed His innocent, precious blood in my place & on my behalf over 2,000 years ago, then was raised bodily, proving I will also be raised up....THAT is WHY I will not endure Hell. I hope I see you in Heaven. God Bless.
  3. Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    I certainly am not trying to waste your time, I merely wish to clarify what it means to believe OSAS, because we seem to have very different understandings of what it means & I am attempting to perceive your perspective on the subject. Firstly, I want to ask you: Are you 100% CERTAIN that if you died today you would go to Heaven/Are YOU saved? OSAS simply teaches that once you are saved you cannot lose your salvation; your eternity is secure---yes--REGARDLESS of how you live your life. But does that mean I am saying once we are saved, that we SHOULD sin without a care & turn grace into lasciviousness? God Forbid. I can't think of a single saved person who would suggest such a thing or say, "Hey, no worries! You're saved...now you are free to go out and REALLY sin it up & transgress God to your heart's delight!" ......No saved person would encourage sin, because when you are saved you are born-again, indwelled with the Holy Spirit which causes you to hate sin, not embrace it. And from what I gather, you seem to equate that when someone claims that, once you are saved, you are always saved(cannot lose salvation) it is like granting the person who is saved a license to sin, so to speak. But that isn't what OSAS means. Also, getting out of Hell IS FREE, at least, for us. It is a FREE GIFT. It doesn't cost us ANYTHING, because JESUS CHRIST is the one who paid for the gift. HE already did all the work to buy the gift for us & purchase our souls from the Hell we deserve. Once you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you receive the gift of salvation He purchased for you with His own blood. The instant you receive it you KNOW you just received salvation & that you are, from that point forward, SAVED. The very word "Saved" is past tense, because once you get saved, it's a done deal. The Holy Spirit testifies to your spirit that you are, indeed, saved, and that NEVER goes away. Not even when you sin (you should still resist sin with all your might ). Not sure about Charles Stanley, as I'm not a big fan of TV preachers,(most are heretics), but I am not sure if he's saved. If he was saved he wouldn't have said something like that because when you genuinely believe on Jesus Christ, you KNOW it's true; you won't arbitrarily STOP believing the truth once you really believe. I don't think I could "stop" believing on Christ even if I tried. When you are saved, God KNOWS you, and you KNOW Him. He holds you in His Hand, which is stronger than any other hand. Even if you tried to let go of His Hand, He is still holding on to yours & won't let you perish, and nobody is strong enough to pull you from His Hand. "My sheep hear my voice and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one.".....John 10:27-30
  4. Preaching Preference

    Brother Stafford, I think this is an excellent question & I wish more members would respond. Here are my thoughts: Since I am already saved, I go to church because we are not to forsake the assembling of saints. IOW, because God says to. I want to obey Him to the very best of my ability, because He is my Father. i know I cannot be perfect, & that I will be a sinner as long as I am in this sinful suit of flesh (Praise Jesus for His righteousness, by which I am saved), and that I am already sealed unto the day of redemption, being born again from God. Therefore, since I am now a child of God, He treats me as a daughter, and chastens & scourges me as one. I am not a glutton for pain & punishment, nor do I want to foster a life of misery by my own hand.. I WANT to live a life that is pleasing to God, and not just sin with reckless abandon. That is exactly WHY I believe that hard preaching is vital to the believer! Simply put, it is essential because it helps you get the sin out of your life. (And sometimes even helps you identify sins you didn't even realize you were committing!). Here in America, the preaching is so watered down & people are so easily offended that you start to wonder if even some of the regulars are saved. Maybe I am just thick-skinned, but I want to know where I'm messing up so I can correct it. I couldn't find a church when I first got saved that had a Pastor that wasn't afraid to rip face. And upon examining their fruit I discovered the congregation was ripe with drunkenness, fornication, sodomy, divorce, adultery, gossip, etc. Why? Because the Pastors were too afraid of offending the congregation to preach against it! I guess they were more concerned with having their fancy house & overflowing offering plates & rubbing elbows with politicians than the spiritual health of their congregations. There was zero accountability in those churches & people's lives were a mess. It got to where I saw no difference between lives of those of the world & the churches. I wanted to go soul winning, see people get saved, see sin being squashed from lives(including my own). I told one Pastor once, "I will TELL you what I'm doing wrong if you'll preach against it!" Not a peep. Sadly, MOST churches are like this, which is why they are so lame & falling away. Anyhow, that's my two cents.
  5. Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    So you do not believe that once you are saved you will always be saved? Once you receive the FREE GIFT of salvation that comes from BELIEVING the Gospel of Jesus Christ you are saved. OSAS simply means Once you are saved you WILL ALWAYS be saved; and that IS the eternal security of the believer. Even when a believer sins AFTER being saved, YES—-the believer IS STILL saved. ANY saved person can tell you that because EVERY saved person has committed sin after being saved, yet they still KNOW they are saved.
  6. Casting spells

    Ok, so he is “fully aware” of the Gospel, has read the Bible “hundreds” of times & yet, he still isn’t saved? Clearly, he doesn’t believe the Gospel. If he really understands it, yet repeatedly rejects it, at some point God will give him over to a reprobate mind & harden his heart so he will never believe. Then it will be too late. I pray that he does not reach that point.
  7. Casting spells

    My advice to you is to give your friend the Gospel. Hopefully he will believe it and get saved. Otherwise, he's in grave danger, as his mom sounds like she's trying to demonize him and/or give him over to Satan. It's no surprise that she would try perverse acts with him, as that is the very nature of satanic worship. She will always try to attack you because satanists loathe Christians. If he refuses to hear the Gospel, then do not be his friend. Yoking with unbelievers only brings trouble eventually, and since his mom is a satanist, that's just asking for trouble.
  8. Eternal Security vs O.S.A.S

    Eternal security IS the same as Once saved, always saved. You are teaching a works-based false doctrine. Salvation is NOT a "process", it is an occurrence which happens the moment you BELIEVE the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a GIFT, given by the grace (because we do not deserve it) of God, paid for by the Blood of Jesus Christ, received the moment you BELIEVE, and once you receive it you will KNOW that you have just passed from death unto life everlasting, and once you receive it you CANNOT lose it. Salvation absolutely means we are saved from Hell. Committing a sin after salvation does NOT mean one "loses" their salvation. Jesus PAID for ALL sins committed on this earth...past, present AND future. Backsliding does NOT mean you lose your salvation. If you really think you can lose your salvation, then it's probably because you Were not saved to begin with.
  9. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    I don't believe in dispensationalism, nor do I deny any self-proclaimed "Jew" the Gospel out soul-winning. I give them the Gospel just the same as anyone else. They are sinners in need of a Saviour just like me or anyone else ....the thing I keep running into with Jews is they do not believe Jesus is Christ. They are waiting for their own "Christ" who will be the prophesied Anti-Christ. The Talmud blasphemes Jesus in the worst way, and Judaism is based on the Talmud & Mishnah, btw, NOT the Torah. That is why the misnomer "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron, because Christianity is NOT affiliated with Judaism any more than it is (not) affiliated with the wicked religion of Islam. And I am aware of what Zionism is, and the promises God made to the Israelites were conditional upon their obedience, and they ALWAYS turned to false gods & worshiping Baal. THEY didn't fulfill their end so they defaulted. That is why Jesus came, to save the world from their sins, & yet, they rejected Him then, the same as many Jews reject Him today. Which is why He said He came unto His own & His own received Him not. And the Jews moving to Israel (which was created by the UN in 1948) are not obeying God, either. They are merely committing genocide against the Palestinians & taking the land by force, paid for by our American tax dollars. We give "Israel" $8 MILLION PER DAY, which is roughly $3 BILLION annually...for what? So the military-industrial complex can bomb, maime, murder & terrify Palestinians....a portion of whom are Christians. Ever BEEN to "Israel"? I have, and I can testify that the people there calling themselves Jews are the Synagogue of Satan, as spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 3:10. They are STILL hateful of Christ, & when I went last summer on a mission trip to spread the Gospel with a group of brethren, we were shocked and horrified to see that Tel Aviv was exactly how Sodom was described in the days of Lot.....if you think San Fagcisco is bad, well Tel Aviv makes that wicked city look like a tea party. EVERY foul, sexually perverse thing one can imagine(& more that one could never imagine) goes on unashamedly & proudly, out in the open in Israel. And the moment anyone found out We were not Jewish, they treated my brethren & I WORSE than animals. I was called a "filthy goy", was spat on, kicked, had my shirt torn off, was almost raped, and had my King James Bible snatched from my hands as I witnessed an Orthodox "rabbi" tear out pages from it and mimicked wiping his backside with it. So, yes, for the Zionists out there that support the man-made Israhell & thinks they are poor, victimized sufferers at the mercy of the Palestinians, I say turn off your teLIEvision & go see for yourself, because it is the EXACT OPPOSITE. Finally, Linda, I find it interesting that you refer to Jews as a "class" of people, and Gentiles & believers as a different class. Class indicates hierarchy, and supremacy, & we are not to think we are better than anyone else. The Bible says that a "Jew" is one INWARDLY....NOT outwardly. And just to clarify, I am not mad at you because you claim you are a Jew. I praise God that you believe & are saved & I hope those in Israel will believe on Christ because I don't wish any of them to suffer in Hell. Have a blessed day.
  10. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    How is that a Roman Catholic statement? Because I am NOT a Roman Catholic, but I do believe the KJV to be the Word of God. And of course Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but the Jews hated Christ & one cannot read the Bible without noticing that. Pontius Pilate even washed his hands and declared that he is innocent of the blood of this just man. To which the Jews shouted, "His blood be upon us and our children". So yes, they hated Christ. i believe the Bible, not Zionist ideology. what do you mean you are an "ethnic Jew"? They were scattered and I would think that everyone has a bit of "Jew" in them.
  11. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    Salvation happens in an instant. When one BELIEVES on the work that JESUS did to save us. Now, unless a person can look in the mirror and see that they are a sinner, and as a result, deserving of Hell, they will NEVER come to believe on Christ & receive salvation because they will not understand what they need Saving from. That is an issue of pride. When one thinks that their own good deeds, and turning from/no longer committing sin (whether it be lying, stealing, fornication, covetousness, etc..) is required for salvation, that is a works-based false Gospel. A person can turn from many sins but NOBODY can turn from EVERY sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. Who among us can say , that, because they are saved , they no longer commit ANY sin? Even AFTER salvation, you will sin. Being saved does NOT mean you will never sin again. It just means that you are trusting that Jesus Christ ALREADY paid the penalty to God for your sins (past present AND future) through HIS WORK on the cross & instead of receiving the punishment we deserve(Hell), we believe the Gospel & receive salvation(Heaven) as a free gift by the grace of God, who is merciful. Am I promoting sin? Absolutely not; I hate sin. Do I work as hard as possible to do good deeds & repent anyway? Of course. Even though I am indwelled w/the Holy Spirit I am still in this human body of flesh, and while my spirit is willing, my flesh is weak. i still do try to get sin out of my life, not so that I can get saved, but because I AM saved. God will never take away my salvation, but He WILL chasten me as His child when I sin. And I won't suffer the consequences in the next life, but I will suffer those consequences in THIS life.
  12. "Repent of Your Sins" False gospel

    No. Turning from her sin can never save, only by trusting the Gospel (sinless life, death, burial & bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ) can she be saved. And everyone gets saved the same way. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."...John 1:17
  13. If you have one practical tip you can share

    I have a few tips: ~Find a church that actively goes soul winning, and if you are already in one, pair up with a seasoned soul winner and go out knocking doors with them as a silent partner. Don't feel shy asking several different church members if you can tag along; the more people you can learn from, the better. ~Always pray before going, asking the Holy Spirit to guide you where you need to go, and to work on the hearts of those you give the Gospel to. ~If you feel nervous, pray for boldness. ~Smile, be friendly! ~ Always have & use your King James Holy Bible to show the person directly from Scripture WHY they need salvation, and what they must BELIEVE (the Gospel of Jesus Christ) in order to be saved. ~Take them down the "Romans Road". A lot of (non-soul winning) Christians may scoff at it, but it is a direct, orderly, simple, easy to understand method of giving the Gospel that WORKS. ~ If they understand everything you showed them so far, read them John 3:16, ask if they believe that is true. If they do, lead them in prayer (remind them that the prayer doesn't save, that they were saved the moment they believed) to ask God to give them the free gift of salvation, and they are trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE to save them. ~Before leaving, and to ensure they really believe & not just going through the motions, ask them what could they do to lose their salvation now that they are saved. They should say, "nothing", or, "I can't lose it". Then you KNOW they truly believe & are saved. If they start naming off sins, they did NOT BELIEVE the Gospel & are still trusting their own works instead of Christ's. Patiently expound on the fact that Christ's sinless life, death, burial & (3 days later) His bodily ressurection paid for ALL sins---past, present AND future. ~Don't give up. Don't stop. You WILL get people saved if you keep doing it.
  14. Starting a church

    Here's my two cents, A church starts with the Pastor. A church must have a BIBLICALLY QUALIFIED Pastor. The Pastor is the anchor, the leader, of the local NT church, and the church is only as sound as its leadership. If a Pastor is not biblically qualified according to the requirements set forth in 1 Timothy 3, and Titus 1, he is not fit to be a Pastor....those aren't my rules, they are God's. Those 2 chapters instantly rule me out, because I am a woman, therefore I cannot biblically pastor a church, for example, and neither can Joyce Meyers or Paula White, whether they agree with it or not. Once a man of one wife, with children (plural) who are obedient, who rules his house well, is not given to wine(doesn't drink alcohol), not a novice (must be saved for a couple years or more, read the King James Bible cover to cover 10-20 times & studies it daily), is slow to anger(except it be righteous anger), has a good report outside of church, etc....has been a good servant of his local IFB church for at least a year or two(the more the better), desires to win souls to Christ & preach the ENTIRE Word of God in season AND OUT, isn't afraid of persecution, refuses to compromise, proven himself faithful & desires the work of a Pastor, and his sending church approves & the sending Pastor approves, THEN he can be ordained to Pastor a church & be sent out to where a good IFB Church is needed, and approved by the church and sending Pastor.
  15. Is a home church a biblical church?

    A church is not its building; a church is a congregation of believers. I do not believe the Home church movement is scriptural, although it is, as someone already said, a necessity in the beginning of a new church because of size. And as someone also pointed out already, the church will outgrow the house, as long as the church is led by a godly Pastor & he is ordained according to Biblical requirements & he is teaching from the KJB & preaching hard against sin & going soul winning regularly. I have not encountered a church who did all those things & STILL remained small enough to meet in an average size (2,500 sq. ft. +/-) home after several years.
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