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Posted 23 December 2008 - 03:53 PM

I personally think they dropped it out of Political Correctness. There are so many people who still feel that we should marry our own race.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 11:49 AM

Our school used to collect Campbell's labels!! (okay, okay, just wanted to lighten things up! :lol: )



There is such thing as campbellite

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 10:39 AM

Our school used to collect Campbell's labels!! (okay, okay, just wanted to lighten things up! :lol: )

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 03:21 PM


We have been through this on this board so many times. I am not happy about it because most people who are talking and they have not even directly challenged the alleged false teaching. So they are going completely on heresay and not on first hand fact. I guess what I am saying is there is a whole lot of branding and very little admonishing.


I con obviously see that the book "The Shack" (chose this because it is somewhat of a current topic) is full of heresy, but I haven't chose to confront the author about it (I can reasonably assume that he would just argue), but rather, to warn others about his heresy and blasphemy. I think that is the same with the people on this board that disagree with Ruckman's teachings. They want to warn other's before they are entangled in the mess themselves.


Except the fact that the author does not just stop at one book, but continue to write more books to promote his heresy.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 09:42 AM

Labels always seem correct and useful by the one doing the labeling! :thumbdown

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Posted 02 January 2009 - 01:32 AM

We have been through this on this board so many times. I am not happy about it because most people who are talking and they have not even directly challenged the alleged false teaching. So they are going completely on heresay and not on first hand fact. I guess what I am saying is there is a whole lot of branding and very little admonishing.


I con obviously see that the book "The Shack" (chose this because it is somewhat of a current topic) is full of heresy, but I haven't chose to confront the author about it (I can reasonably assume that he would just argue), but rather, to warn others about his heresy and blasphemy. I think that is the same with the people on this board that disagree with Ruckman's teachings. They want to warn other's before they are entangled in the mess themselves.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:11 PM

I might add, there is also those who love to continually put down everyone else no matter what they do or say, it makes them feel superior.

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 01:55 AM

Do some people dislike labels because they want to be political correct? Do they consider it name calling?

Are there any other label like a Ruckmanite label? One thing for sure, most of us know what it meant when some is called a Ruckmanite. without using that word it would take an unnecessary very long post to tell people what that person was.

I believe the label that would be put on most of us has been mentioned, extremist who have already passed being fundamentalist.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 01:53 PM

The definition of the majority of people on this board is anyone who:
1. Heard Peter Ruckman or met him
2. Touched/Read/Looked at one of his books
3. Said something pseudo related to Ruckman

No.. Not a good definition... But people have obviously shown this is the definition by their actions.


I guess that would make me a ruckmanite then since I would fall under one, two and maybe three. :lol: But somehow I don't think I am one... :loll:

Generally, I think when people say someone is a "ruckmanite" positionally they are thinking of his hyper dispensationalism(thinks OT saint were saved by works etc.) His hyper KJVO stance( he thinks the greek and hebrew are lost and that the KVJ contains addition revelations not found anywhere else, bibles in other languages should be translated from the KJV rather than from the original languages etc.). That is one kind of "ruckmanite". Of course there is also the kind that almost literally hangs on his every word and won't disagree with anything he says or does no matter what. Commonly if you try to show why his positions are unbiblical to them they will just say that the "doc" as they usually call him has been studying scripture for so long, read the bible so many times etc., and so imply that he must be right regardless of how unbliblical it sounds. Not all ruckmanites are quite such extreme fans of his as that, but pretty much all of them are going to hold to most of his hyper KJV views and most of them are going to hold to his "OT saints were saved by works" beliefs as well.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 01:47 PM

Some do go to such extremes but I think mostly one is considered a Ruckmanite if they follow the teachings (or most of the teachings) of Peter Ruckman and defend his divorces and cursing and such.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 01:36 PM

What is a Ruckmanite?

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 01:39 PM

The definition some of the people on this board is anyone who:
1. Heard Peter Ruckman or met him
2. Touched/Read/Looked at one of his books
3. Said something pseudo related to Ruckman

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 04:32 PM

Some Bible critics (non-KJVO) will call anyone who is KJVO a Ruckmanite.

Some KJVOs say that anyone who agrees with Ruckman on anything (even if it's just one thing) is a Ruckmanite.

Actually, a Ruckmanite is someone who believes any or all of these: 1. salvation is obtained in different ways in different dispensations, 2. the KJV is directly inspired, 3. divorce and remarriage doesn't disqualify a man from being a pastor

That's what I've heard anyway. I'm sure that's not a complete list, but those are the major issues I've heard about Ruckman.

(if you don't know who Ruckman is, I found his website at kjv1611.org)
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Posted 23 December 2008 - 03:47 PM

I found it interesting that someone earlier in this thread applied the IFB label to BJU, which is not even a Baptist institution.


I always thought BJU was a Baptist institution. If they are not, what would you label them? The only next best label that I could think of would have to do with their stance on inter-racial marriage and the races in general.


Perhaps you're not aware of this statement BJU recently made about their official position on the issues you mentioned. The inter-ethnic dating policy was dropped years ago (in 2000, I think).

BJU is, for lack of a better term, non-denominational. They are not a church--just a Christian school. Here's the school creed, which the students recite daily in chapel:

"I believe in the inspiration of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments; the creation of man by the direct act of God; the incarnation and virgin birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; His identification as the Son of God; His vicarious atonement for the sins of mankind by the shedding of His blood on the cross; the resurrection of his body from the tomb; His power to save men from sin; the new birth through the regeneration by the Holy Spirit; and the gift of eternal life by the grace of God."

I do know that BJU espouses the "fundamentalist" label, and they're certainly "independent" and "Bible-believing." But they're not a Baptist institution.

Sorry to go off-topic again....I'll have a look at that Ruckman link that was posted.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 01:47 PM

I am labeled male (which I am), believers were called Christians 1st @ Antioch (labeled by others and yet I am willing to acceot that label), I am labeled overweight (which I am), bald (somewhat), middle aged (OK), American (right). Labeling itself is not always a negative thing.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:46 PM

And to think, many Baptist defend this fellow and claim to be his followers. Does that prove many Baptist don't know the Bible nor rightly care what the Bible really teaches?


Nope, it proves that they believe just as earnestly that what they preach, study and pray over is the truth.....the same as we each believe for ourselves!


If I didn't believe that a sincere searcher could know the truth that would make me an agnostic.


Ah, but a sincere searcher believes he knows the truth while an agnostic believes no one can know the truth. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I've committed against that day......................


The problem is, many chose to believe a lie, that's right, they CHOSE to believe a lie.

1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign which the LORD hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be rent, and the ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.

4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Bethel, that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not pull it in again to him.

5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the LORD.

6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Intreat now the face of the LORD thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the LORD, and the king's hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.

7 And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward.

8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place:

9 For so was it charged me by the word of the LORD, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.

10 So he went another way, and returned not by the way that he came to Bethel.

11 Now there dwelt an old prophet in Bethel; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Bethel: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.

12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.

13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the ass. So they saddled him the ass: and he rode thereon,

14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am.

15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.

16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:

17 For it was said to me by the word of the LORD, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him.

19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.

20 And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the LORD came unto the prophet that brought him back:

21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast disobeyed the mouth of the LORD, and hast not kept the commandment which the LORD thy God commanded thee,

22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the LORD did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers.

slain by a lion

23 And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the ass, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.

26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the LORD: therefore the LORD hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake unto him.

27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the ass. And they saddled him.

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the ass and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the ass.

29 And the prophet took up the carcase of the man of God, and laid it upon the ass, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him.

30 And he laid his carcase in his own grave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother!

31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones:

32 For the saying which he cried by the word of the LORD against the altar in Bethel, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.

33 After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

34 And this thing became sin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.

1 Kings 13:1-34 (KJV)

Yes, this man of God out of Judah had God's very word, God had told him, 8 "And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place," Even thought God had told him this, he chose to believe the old prophet, the same thing it true for many today, for instants, those who chose to follow Ruckman.

We to have God's very Word, The Holy Bible, but yet many will follow people who do not teach its truths, so it seems they care not for God's truths. Its a dangerous thing to do. it cost this man of God out of Judah his very life.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:33 PM

Ah, but a sincere searcher believes he knows the truth while an agnostic believes no one can know the truth.


That sounds agnostic right there. I assume you are not but it sounds that way.


You must have missed the last part, you know..........I know whom I have believed.........

You are right, I am NOT an agnostic! :clap:

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:29 PM

Ah, but a sincere searcher believes he knows the truth while an agnostic believes no one can know the truth.


That sounds agnostic right there. I assume you are not but it sounds that way.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:12 PM

And to think, many Baptist defend this fellow and claim to be his followers. Does that prove many Baptist don't know the Bible nor rightly care what the Bible really teaches?


Nope, it proves that they believe just as earnestly that what they preach, study and pray over is the truth.....the same as we each believe for ourselves!

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:17 PM

And to think, many Baptist defend this fellow and claim to be his followers. Does that prove many Baptist don't know the Bible nor rightly care what the Bible really teaches?


Nope, it proves that they believe just as earnestly that what they preach, study and pray over is the truth.....the same as we each believe for ourselves!


If I didn't believe that a sincere searcher could know the truth that would make me an agnostic.




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