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#1 elijahruth

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 09:28 AM

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3. Thou shalt not take to name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
5. Honour they father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
10. Thou shalt not covet.
Exodus 20:3-17 short version.

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
2 Corinthians 4:2 How many do this???

Charity sufferith long, kind,envieth not, vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave inself unseemly, seeketh not her own, not easily provoked,thinketh no evil, rejoiceth not in iniquity, rejoiceth in truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 short version. Look up in KJV. To much to type. How many people even care about these things anymore.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even is this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Galatians 4:6 How many do this?

I could write down things all day from the New Testement that tells us what we should do. All kinds of punishments the Isrealites were given when they disobeyed in the Old Testement. They were chastised greatly when they disobeyed. They were kept from tribulation when they obeyed.

There is a reason we are not mentioned. We are disobeying God as a country. I just pray for Jesus' return in the clouds before it gets too bad.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 11:45 PM

Most folks don't want to face the cold hard reality of the times we live in.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 11:40 PM

I got the following in an e-mail from a friend::::::::::

Interesting piece by Pat Dollard.

I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six
> languages, and have studied it all my life. I think
> there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not
> believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis,
> or a credit crisis. Yes,these exist,but they are merely
> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only
> now coming into a sharper focus.
>
> Something of historic proportions is happening.I can sense
> it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks
> like, and how people react to it.
>
> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is
> something happening within our country that has been
> evolving for about ten - fifteen years.The pace has
> dramatically quickened in the past two.
> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that
> our banks make massive loans to people we know they can
> never pay back? Why?
>
> We learn just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which
> has little or no real oversight by anyone, has
> "loaned" two trillion dollars (that
> is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will
> not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is
> our money.Yours and mine, and that is three times
> the $700B we all argued about so strenuously just this
> past September.Who has this money?Why do they have it?Why
> are the terms unavailable to us?Who asked for it?Who
> authorized it?I thought this was a government of "we
> the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
> leaders.
>
> Apparently not!
>
> We have spent two or more decades
> intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
>
> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored
> our history, and no longer teach our founding documents,
> why we are exceptional, and why we are worth
> preserving.Students by and large cannot
> write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are
> not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards
> continue to back mediocrity.Why?
>
> We have now established the precedent of protesting
> every close election (now violently in California over a
> proposition that is so controversial that it wants
> marriage to remain between one man and one woman.Did you
> ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?).We
> have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing
> unelected judges to write laws that radically change our
> way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN
> and others to turn our voting system into
> a banana republic.To what purpose?
>
> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are
> in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking
> system is on the verge of collapse, social security is
> nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government,
> our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college
> and know precisely what I am talking about)-the list is
> staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.It is
> potentially 1929 x ten.And we are at war with an enemy we
> cannot name for fear of offending people of
> the same religion, who cannot wait to slit the throats of
> your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
> And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about,
> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a
> town as big as Wasilla , Alaska.All of his associations
> and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen
> fields of employment, and everything we learn about him,
> drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
> you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund
> a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our
> military for use inside our
> borders?No?Oh,of course.The media would never play that
> for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah
> Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
> is more important.)
>
> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one
> word: change.
>
> Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my
> children as I am now.
> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something
> he has never, ever done in his professional life.In my
> assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical
> lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
> into a new and different power structure.Change
> is indeed coming.And when it comes, you will never see the
> same nation again.
>
> And that is only the beginning.
>
> And I thought I would never be able to experience what
> the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s.In those
> times, the savior was a former smooth-talking
> rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average
> German knew next to nothing.What they did know was that he
> was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and
> pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged
> his way onto the political stage through great oratory and
> promises.Economic times were tough, people were
> losing jobs, and he was a great speaker.And he smiled and
> waved a lot. And people, even
> newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
> "brown shirts" would bully them into
> submission.And then, he was duly elected to office,
> a full-throttled economic crisis at hand [the Great
> Depression].Slowly but surely he seized the controls of
> government power, department by department, person
> by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a
> Youth Movement in his name, where they were taught what to
> think.How did he get the people on his side?He did it
> promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless,
> and goodies for the military-industrial complex.He did it
> by
> indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and
> promising to re-instill pride once again in the country,
> across Europe , and across the world.
>
> He did it with a compliant media-did you know that?And he
> did this all in the name of justice and . . . change.And
> the people surely got what they voted for.(Look it up if
> you think I am exaggerating.)
>
> Read your history books.Many people objected in 1933 and
> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and made fun
> of.When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the
> late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England
> (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat
> and called a crazy troublemaker.He was right, though.
>
> Don't forget that Germany was the most educated,
> cultured country in Europe.It was full of music, art,
> museums,
> hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And in less
> than six years - a shorter time span than just two terms
> of the U. S.. presidency - it was rounding up its
> own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning
> children against parents, and neighbors against
> neighbors.All with the best of intentions, of course.
>
> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>
> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to
> emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe
> what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if
> they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe
> what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of
> seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my
> eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what
> is transpiring around me.
>
> Some people scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am
> foolish, naive, or both.Perhaps I am.But I have never been
> afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly
> what I believe - and why I believe it.
> I pray I am wrong.I do not think I am.

#4 Danny Carlton

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 10:50 PM

I've always thought the following describes the Holocaust...

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. -- [bible]Revelation 12:13,14[/bible]


A really large number of Jews sought refuge in the US from Hitler.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 08:05 PM

Unless America turns, yes, I believe it will soon be severely weakened or wiped off the map. I am hoping and praying it will repent and turn before it is too late.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Methinks since the decree is already on the books for the U.S.A. to merge with Canada and Mexico it (our USA as we know it) will be gone before we are ready for it to go. I fear it is going to happen very soon. :badday: :sad

How will it affect us??????? Do you have a really nice house and a decent piece of land????????? It will be taxed right out from under you. Do you have a nice car???????? You may not be able to afford the fuel once we all start paying back that 7 Trillion Dollars. Do you enjoy eating three meals per day???????? You may opt out for two meager meals, or some days only one meal when you experience high grocery bills. Obama wants to make the USA just like other countries (e.g. Kenya). This is his idea of leveling the playing field as he calls it.


don't forget those carbon credits we will have to buy! :badday:

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:41 PM

Unless America turns, yes, I believe it will soon be severely weakened or wiped off the map. I am hoping and praying it will repent and turn before it is too late.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Methinks since the decree is already on the books for the U.S.A. to merge with Canada and Mexico it (our USA as we know it) will be gone before we are ready for it to go. I fear it is going to happen very soon. :badday: :sad

How will it affect us??????? Do you have a really nice house and a decent piece of land????????? It will be taxed right out from under you. Do you have a nice car???????? You may not be able to afford the fuel once we all start paying back that 7 Trillion Dollars. Do you enjoy eating three meals per day???????? You may opt out for two meager meals, or some days only one meal when you experience high grocery bills. Obama wants to make the USA just like other countries (e.g. Kenya). This is his idea of leveling the playing field as he calls it.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:53 PM

Unless America turns, yes, I believe it will soon be severely weakened or wiped off the map. I am hoping and praying it will repent and turn before it is too late.
God bless,
Crushmaster.


The only way America will repent and turn before it is too late is if American Christians get busy humbling themselves before God, spending great amounts of time in prayer, witnessing and giving their whole hearts to the Lord's business. Sadly, the vast majority of American Christians won't do this. :sad

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:45 PM

Well it isn't in Revelation... But it is in Genesis.
Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:50 PM

Unless America turns, yes, I believe it will soon be severely weakened or wiped off the map. I am hoping and praying it will repent and turn before it is too late.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:40 PM

I agree that America is headed for destruction. She has turned her back on God and His judgement has already begun. Whether America will fall from outside attacks, internal conflict or simply collapse under a mountain of debt (or by some other means) is yet to be seen, but fall she will.

Even if all this occurs prior to the Rapture, God is capable of protecting and preserving His remnant as Scripture shows Him doing time and again.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:29 PM

I do not see in prophecy, where America is mentioned. Many people I know have said that we will not be going through the Tribulation because God will not call his people to wrath. Yes, but, what if God allows American to be destroyed. Nothing says that she must survive.

What are your thoughts? Is America on the way out?


Pretty much identical to yours, C.

America is in for exceedingly sad times and beginning right now with all of the layoffs, and the prices of goods that are all a-fixin' to skyrocket. Look for it this coming spring and summer.The low gas prices are only the calm before the storm. Already our illustrious leaders have socked a staggering debt upon us in excess of 7 trillion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add to all of that the NAU, aka North American Union for which Bushie-boy signed the treaty back in 2005. The Mexico to Canada Superhighway is already being built right up thru America's heartland. Just when this NAU takes full effect and the new currency becomes the Amero I do not know for sure.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:04 PM

I believe she is. Sadly, I believe she is. :badday:

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 03:40 PM

I do not see in prophecy, where America is mentioned. Many people I know have said that we will not be going through the Tribulation because God will not call his people to wrath. Yes, but, what if God allows American to be destroyed. Nothing says that she must survive.

What are your thoughts? Is America on the way out?

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 03:06 PM

Is America the last Babylon ?
Zechariah 2:6-7 KJV When the Jews are coming home from the Russian north there will still be a large group of Jews in the daughter of Babylon. So where are the Jews today? There are about 6,000,000 Jews in America and about 3,000,000 in the rest of the world. Why would America be called the daughter of Babylon? America has inherited the super power status of the gentile world.
Daniel 11:39a indicates that the willful king or antichrist will do his will in the strongest nation.
Revelation 16:10 KJV This verse gave me the hint that has caused me to believe that the antichrist will come from America. The hint is look in the prophets for the cause of the darkness on the kingdom of antichrist before Armageddon!

Edited by Eric Stahl, 05 December 2011 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2011 - 04:55 PM

I believe we're going to be considered the "West" as sort of a European union or something. Because why? Because its not just America over here...its the entire North America/South America that is not being mentioned in Scripture. That's half the globe! So I believe that it will be some sort of global union, and we will just be part of the "West" any time that's mentioned in prophecy. I don't believe we're wiped out, because then you still have Canada, Mexico, and South America to deal with. We just won't be a world super power any longer, we'll be combined with Europe and the other Americas.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:48 AM

To Kitagri,

You are right about America being part of a Western confederacy. It will begin with all the Christian nations who God causes to believe the lie of the

antichrist after the rapture and the holy Spirits restraining influence is removed according to 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 The West will still be in control of earth

and be the adversary of Jesus when He comes to redeem Israel according to Isaiah 59:18-60:2 KJV

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 10:45 AM

I do not believe ANY country today is specifically in prophecy. We can freely apply warnings & encouragements of Scriptureto our own situation, but prophecy - No.

It's nice to think of Scriptures like: The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice; let the multitude of isles be glad thereof applying to the British Isles but surely such should be understood in a general sense. Even though Isaac Watts (who went to the same school as I did in Southampton) paraphrased Ps. 100 thus:

Sing to the Lord with joyful voice,

Let every land his name adore;

The British isles shall send the noise

Across the ocean to the shore.


Nations, attend before his throne

With solemn fear, with sacred joy;

Know that the Lord is God alone;

He can create and he destroy.


America being the shore across the ocean benefited, but I do not think it wise to read with the Bible in one hand & a newspaper in the other.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 12:15 PM

TO Covenanter,

There are scriptures that do refer to countries by description. Consider the following verses.

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. —Zechariah 2:6–7 KJV

Zechariah 2:6 tells the Jews to come home from the north. About 1,250,000 Russian Jews have gone home to Israel since 1948. Israel now has a

population of between 5,500,000 and 6,000,000 Jewish people. Close to 23% of Israel’s population has come from the Russian north since 1948. My

mother paid for several Russian Jews’ passage home to Israel. This Bible passage is written for our time!Now that the Russian Jews are going home,

where are the Jews who are living with the daughter of Babylon? There is only one large group of Jews remaining outside of Israel. There are about

6,000,000 Jews in America.

That’s right! There are about as many Jews in America as there are in Israel! I believe America is the daughter of Babylon who has inherited the

super-power status of the Gentile world.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 01:06 PM

While I do believe some nations of today may be mentioned, I also agree with Covenanter about the dangers of reading the Bible in one hand while trying to find things from the newspaper inside.

Throughout history there have been claims that this or that prophecy refers to this or that nation, this or that leader, this or that event.

The Black Plague, various popes, Hitler, World War Two...these are just a tiny few of the many people and things folks have looked to and in their time declared they fit the same prophecies folks today find different meanings for, and often folks before them had seen different meanings.

In my lifetime I've heard it said Christ would return by 1988, then it was changed to 2008 another year, and then another, all based on the nation of Israel coming on the scene in 1948 and then Israel taking all of Jersusalem in 1968. I've heard all the ways the Soviet Union was the key to end times prophecy...until they collapsed. I heard how when the EU came to have 10 members the end would come, but it didn't. Then the view changed to a larger EU that would eventually become smaller again. Then many changed to the idea of a spiritual revived Roman Empire rather than a more literal one, and some today still claim that all Western nations around the world somehow comprise the revived Roman Empire. I've heard back and forths regarding China, and in the past decade or so it's become the major thing to declare Islam is the key factor.

Scripture warns us against focusing too much on such matters and warns us against trying to determine when the end will actually come. At the same time, Scripture warns us that since these things are coming, we should be busy growing in Christ ourselves, spreading the Gospel and living Christ for others to see.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 03:51 PM

All of what you said has been true. But now that Zephaniah 1:14-2:3 tells us the day of the Lord is near it is near and hasteth greatly we know the end is

soon. When we saw 1,250,000 Jews come home from Russia we knew Zechariah 2:6 Was referring to Russia as the land of the north. When God told

Zion to also get out of the daughter of Babylon we know the daughter of Babylon has Jews in it. Since 66 percent of the Jews in the world, out side of

Israel, are in America it is probable that America is the daughter of Babylon.

Isaiah 5:24-30KJV Indicates that God will call a nation to Israel to take a prey from Israel to safety on the other end of the earth when the judgment by

fire happens. Revelation 12:14 indicates the rescue will be on the wings of a great eagle. That sure sounds like God will cause America to help Israel.

Revelation 16:10 KJV indicates that God will send darkness on the kingdom of antichrist before Armageddon. If America is the last Babylon, home of the

antichrist it should be darkened. I looked for the cause of the darkness in the Prophets.

The antichrist kingdom will be on the dark side of the earth when a permanent solar eclipse sets up over Israel before Armageddon.

The solar eclipse will last during the kingdom age. The eclipse starts over Israel in Habakkuk 3:11-13, also see it in the following: Amos 8:9, Isaiah 16:3, Isaiah 24:23, Joel

3:14-15, Job38:13,15,23-24, Isaiah 59:10,Israel will see Jesus coming as the lightning because they are under shadow of the moon. Isaiah59:20-60:2. During the Kingdom age the

solar eclipse will continue because the sun won't set and the moon won't withdraw. see Isaiah 60:19-20. This is new understanding and needed much evidence. America will be the

home kingdom of the antichrist on the dark side of the earth.

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