Jump to content

Photo

Adult Consensual Incest is A'Comin'


  • Please log in to reply
9 replies to this topic

#1 John81

John81

    Running to Win

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 59,020 posts
4,986
Excellent

Posted 16 December 2010 - 07:50 PM

Adult Consensual Incest is A'Comin'


12/16/2010 11:51:00 AM
By Laurie Higgins, Director of IFI's DSA -Illinois Family Institute


Perhaps we can be forgiven for remaining blithely ignorant of just how depraved societies that abandon true faith can become. Until today, I did not know that incest between consenting adults is legal in China, France, Israel, the Ivory Coast, the Netherlands, Russia, Spain and Turkey. In Spain the age of consent is 13.

In Switzerland, where consensual incest between "second-degree" relatives like aunts and nephews or between cousins is already legal, the Upper House of Parliament recently proposed a law decriminalizing consensual sex between "first-degree" relatives (e.g. between fathers and daughters or between siblings). The age of consent in Switzerland is 16.

Columbia University political science Professor David Epstein probably wishes he lived in one of those countries: He was just arrested and charged with having a three-year consensual sexual relationship with his 24-year-old daughter.

The question is not whether a movement to legalize incest between consenting adults is coming to America; the question is simply when. Incestuous relations between consenting adults is no more depraved and perverse than sexual relations between two men or two women, which we now celebrate in our streets and our public schools.

Oh, and don't forget, accompanying this effort to normalize yet another manifestation of sin will be a fight to lower the age of consent.

And when it arrives, we will be left devoid of justifications for opposing it because all the same reasons used to normalize homosexuality will be used to normalize adult consensual incest:
•Who are you to impose your personal or religious beliefs on others?

•Opposition to adult consensual incest is motivated by puritanical provincialism and prejudice.

•What goes on between closed doors is no one's business but the two (or more) people involved.

•All that really matters is that those involved love each other.

•How does the incestuous relationship of Mr. Brown and his daughter Susie affect your relationship?

•It is unjust to deny any adults the freedom to love whomever they please.
The central reason offered to prohibit incestuous relations is that their offspring are at increased risk for genetic disorders. But this is not a compelling moral reason to oppose consensual incest.

First, not all children born to close relatives suffer from genetic disorders. Second, laws permitting incestuous marriages between "first-degree" relatives could include a provision requiring genetic screening.

If the only reason for prohibiting fathers from being in sexual relationships with daughters is the increased possibility of passing on a genetic disorder, then why do we permit marriages between Jews who may pass on Tay-Sachs disease or blacks who may pass on sickle cell anemia?

The reason that we don't prohibit Jews from marrying Jews or blacks from marrying blacks despite the increased risk of passing on genetic disorders is that these types of relationships are not inherently morally flawed whereas incestuous relationships between fathers and daughters are.

Furthermore, if the possibility of passing on genetic disorders is the only reason for opposing legalized consensual incest, then what possible reason is there to oppose a father being in a sexual relationship with his adult son?

If fathers can be in sexual relationships with their daughters or sons, and if marriage -- as a public, government-sanctioned institution -- is severed from gender and procreation, will fathers be able to marry their adult sons?

How will the legalization of consensual incest affect family life? How will the weakening or eradication of the incest taboo affect how mothers and fathers physically interact with their children or teens?

Will the loss of the incest taboo diminish trust within families? Will it make parents apprehensive about interacting affectionately with their children? Will it make parents suspicious of the nature of their marital partner's affectionate interactions with their children?

And are these concerns compelling enough to defeat the next phase of moral corrosion in a society in which so many have rejected the idea of all moral absolutes except one: absolute liberty?

As Neil Postman warned, we no longer think; we feel. So, all we need is a big Hollywood tearjerker about a star-crossed brother and sister who because of society's bigotry are prevented from openly expressing their love and from accessing the benefits and social validation that come with marriage, and the incest taboo will fall.

We need to heed the portentous words of Professor Epstein's attorney Matthew Galluzzo who said that "there is an argument to be made in the Swiss case to let go what goes on privately in bedrooms. It's OK for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home ... How is this so different? We have to figure out why some behavior is tolerated and some is not."

I hope and pray that the church -- that is to say, church leaders and the people they lead -- will do a far better job opposing this and all other forms of sexual perversity than they have done so far.

http://www.illinoisf...iew.asp?c=35107

#2 DennisD

DennisD

    Senior Member

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 989 posts
70
Excellent
  • LocationPasadena, MD (From Utica, NY)

Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:10 AM

The fruit of an immoral society! Disgusting.

#3 John81

John81

    Running to Win

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 59,020 posts
4,986
Excellent

Posted 17 December 2010 - 07:50 AM

Indeed, and yet there are still many professing Christians who proclaim it won't hurt any to give homosexuals legal standing to marry.

Acceptance of one sinful perversion opens the door for more. Not only will the ground be set for legalized incest, but the door will be open for polygamy, consensual adult/child sex, beastiality, etc.

Those who say such could never happen in America sound like those who once proclaimed America would never allow acceptance of open homosexuality and certainly not homosexual "marriage".

Christ is the answer but America seems intent upon doing what seems good in its own eyes.

#4 amblivion

amblivion

    Super Contributor

  • Advanced Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,482 posts
20
Excellent

Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:35 PM

The fruit of an immoral society! Disgusting.

My thoughts exactly! DISGUSTING!! GROSS!! and any other synonym.

#5 Bro Jim

Bro Jim

    Senior Member

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 577 posts
26
Excellent
  • LocationAlbuquerque NM

Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:41 PM

Posted Image Christ please come soon, for if you tarry, we will more wicked than Sodom and Gomorrah. Lord our nation needs a revival of repentance. Amen

#6 1John2:15-17

1John2:15-17

    It Is Well With My Soul

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,281 posts
231
Excellent
  • LocationNear Cleveland, Ohio

Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:43 PM

We are truly in the last days...

Edited by cubfan1969, 17 December 2010 - 02:44 PM.


#7 JerryNumbers

JerryNumbers

    Life is about Jesus, not self

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 26,276 posts
2,519
Excellent
  • LocationIn the south

Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:49 PM

Its the age, if you want to do it, do it, if it feels good do it. Do not deny your self of anything that brings you or might bring you pleasure. Its only your business, no one else's. Of course they feel there is a certain class of people that are put here for their pleasure, to be used by them, them disposed of.

Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Ro 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Ro 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Ro 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Ro 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Ro 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Ro 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Ro 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.




#8 Invicta

Invicta

    Super Contributor

  • Advanced Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,384 posts
539
Excellent
  • LocationWhitstable, Kent, England

Posted 18 December 2010 - 07:30 PM

A member of our church who died recently was in a family where his mother and father and siblings were all deaf and dumb. This was put down to incest in some of their ancestors. He was the only one in his family who could hear and was sent to a neighbour to learn to speak.

#9 Kubel

Kubel

    Senior Member

  • Advanced Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 788 posts
6
Neutral

Posted 19 December 2010 - 01:35 AM

We are truly in the last days...


Ironically, if you think about it, the human race would have never seen a third generation without committing incest. So maybe we are in the first days... :o

#10 John81

John81

    Running to Win

  • *Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 59,020 posts
4,986
Excellent

Posted 19 December 2010 - 05:55 PM


We are truly in the last days...


Ironically, if you think about it, the human race would have never seen a third generation without committing incest. So maybe we are in the first days... :o


Scripture addresses this issue.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

The Fundamental Top 500IFB1000 The Fundamental Top 500