Noise And Heat; How Will God Destroy The Earth?

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I'm kind of new at discussions about end times so, you learned folk cut me some slack :) . O.K. back to pondering.


Noise And Heat; How Will God Destroy The Earth?

As interesting as all the conjecture has been that the earth will be destroyed by a man made nuclear catastrophe, there may be other explanations. May I take a step back and view the whole picture. I don't have perfect knowledge and don't claim to. I know this...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

How did 18th and 19th century Christians believe God would bring about the end of the earth? They certainly had no idea how to build nuclear weapons.

Why should I believe God would have to depend on the invention of nuclear weapons? God, the author of science and nuclear physics, knew this destructive power long before scientists were allowed to understand or develop it. If this is the method of destroying the earth why should I believe it is man who will use it?

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

The same God , who by his word, spoke the universe into creation, can surely speak it out again. I wonder what it would sound like if God ripped the fabric of all creation apart by his very word? Of course the universe is silent now and the earth so bustling with activity people strain to distinguish birds tweeting from the uproar of daily life; then the destruction-afterword total silence. When have you ever heard total silence?

The same God who’s breath can cause a soul to live could just as easily become a fervent heat.

No, a little nuclear bomb among enemies couldn’t destroy earth and heavens. I apologize if I sound very confident but I won’t allow men to be so arrogant as to convince me they hold the power to destroy all creation.

Job 4:9, 17-21
9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.
17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
18 Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:
19 How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?
20 They are destroyed from morning to evening: they perish for ever without any regarding it.
21 Doth not their excellency which is in them go away? they die, even without wisdom.

My questions…

How will God destroy the earth?

How did 18th and 19th century Christians believe God would bring about the end of the earth?

Why should I believe God would have to depend on the invention of nuclear weapons?

If this is the method of destroying the earth why should I believe it is man who will use it?

I wonder what it would sound like if God ripped the fabric of all creation apart by his very word?

When have you ever heard total silence?

Borrowing from Job…

God has all power, just who do we think we are anyway?

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God created all simply by speaking it into existence. God can destroy in the same manner.

In no way does God need nuclear weapons to destroy the earth. God created the greatest nuclear reactor we know of, the sun. God destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah by sending forth brimstone and fire from heaven, not by a nuclear bomb. As you have pointed out, it would take more than nuclear bombs going off to destroy the earth and heavens.

From what I have read of pre-nuclear age Christians, the belief was that God would destroy the world in the same way He created it, by His Word.

No doubt, the destruction of the earth and heavens would create a lot of noise.

Total silence could be very scary. Even in the most quiet of moments I've known, there was always some sound, no matter how small or faint, whether from a breeze, bugs, birds...

God doesn't need us to bring about His final wrath.

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God can act directly as in Soddom. He also uses man to carry out his judgments as he has throughout history.

God is sovereign.

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Nuclear weapons will not, cannot, bring into being the NH&NE. They do, however, make life very difficult for those who use them & those who live where they have been used. Their only merit is that most nations are afraid of using them & getting involved in a nuclear war where everybody loses. Even using "dirty bombs" - depleted uranium warheads - has caused serious problems for survivors & those who use the affected land, & American soldiers.

Reagan's idea of keeping nuclear weapons so God could fulfil Zechariah's prophecies was monstrous.

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Nuclear weapons will not, cannot, bring into being the NH&NE. They do, however, make life very difficult for those who use them & those who live where they have been used. Their only merit is that most nations are afraid of using them & getting involved in a nuclear war where everybody loses. Even using "dirty bombs" - depleted uranium warheads - has caused serious problems for survivors & those who use the affected land, & American soldiers.

Reagan's idea of keeping nuclear weapons so God could fulfil Zechariah's prophecies was monstrous.


"Nuclear weapons will not, cannot, bring into being the NH&NE." I agree with that statement whole-heartedly. It's just a tad difficult for nothing to create anything. I believe I'm correct in saying when God finishes melting and burning everything the eye can see; nukes won't be here anymore.

I was pointing more toward the destruction of the OH&OE, the end. Not the beginning of the new. God will create a new heaven and new earth from nothing.

Wow, I imagine some cult could have fun building a scenario out of thoughts around this! Most likely some have already. Like a "gap" theory between the old and new. Praise God we won't have to put up with that either!

edited the first para to make better sense. Edited by 1Tim115

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In Isaiah 33:11 indicates it is man’s breath that burns the people as lime.

In Isaiah 26:11 the Lord says “the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.”

In Jeremiah 25:14-15,29-33 God sends out a cup of judgment that causes nations to send evil from nation to nation that will look like a great whirlwinds and kill people from one end of the earth to the other. Yes God is going to push the nuclear button and men will kill each other!

Isa 25:3-7

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. KJV

The blast with the hot cloud will burn the ozone layer and cause the sun to become 7 times brighter see
Isaiah 30:25-26

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In Isaiah 33:11 indicates it is man’s breath that burns the people as lime.

In Isaiah 26:11 the Lord says “the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.”

In Jeremiah 25:14-15,29-33 God sends out a cup of judgment that causes nations to send evil from nation to nation that will look like a great whirlwinds and kill people from one end of the earth to the other. Yes God is going to push the nuclear button and men will kill each other!

Isa 25:3-7

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. KJV

The blast with the hot cloud will burn the ozone layer and cause the sun to become 7 times brighter see
Isaiah 30:25-26


I can't agree with your theory; I'm talking about something on a universal scale not on man's scale. All the nuclear stuff will melt along with the earth and universe. We haven't developed a nuke that can burn the universe so I'll go with God doing it.

Besides that, I think you have some of the above out of context, I'll get back to later about that. Edited by 1Tim115
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I can't agree with your theory; I'm talking about something on a universal scale not on man's scale. All the nuclear stuff will melt along with the earth and universe. We haven't developed a nuke that can burn the universe so I'll go with God doing it.

Besides that, I think you have some of the above out of context, I'll get back to later about that.

Agreed.

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Agreed.


My post is not about the whole universe burning up, only the ozone and hydrogen layers of the atmosphere. The hot blast will set them on fire and they will burn up as a scroll.

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I'm kind of new at discussions about end times so, you learned folk cut me some slack :) . O.K. back to pondering.


Noise And Heat; How Will God Destroy The Earth?

As interesting as all the conjecture has been that the earth will be destroyed by a man made nuclear catastrophe, there may be other explanations. May I take a step back and view the whole picture. I don't have perfect knowledge and don't claim to. I know this...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

How did 18th and 19th century Christians believe God would bring about the end of the earth? They certainly had no idea how to build nuclear weapons.

Why should I believe God would have to depend on the invention of nuclear weapons? God, the author of science and nuclear physics, knew this destructive power long before scientists were allowed to understand or develop it. If this is the method of destroying the earth why should I believe it is man who will use it?

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

The same God , who by his word, spoke the universe into creation, can surely speak it out again. I wonder what it would sound like if God ripped the fabric of all creation apart by his very word? Of course the universe is silent now and the earth so bustling with activity people strain to distinguish birds tweeting from the uproar of daily life; then the destruction-afterword total silence. When have you ever heard total silence?

The same God who’s breath can cause a soul to live could just as easily become a fervent heat.

No, a little nuclear bomb among enemies couldn’t destroy earth and heavens. I apologize if I sound very confident but I won’t allow men to be so arrogant as to convince me they hold the power to destroy all creation.

Job 4:9, 17-21
9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.
17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
18 Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:
19 How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?
20 They are destroyed from morning to evening: they perish for ever without any regarding it.
21 Doth not their excellency which is in them go away? they die, even without wisdom.

My questions…

How will God destroy the earth?

How did 18th and 19th century Christians believe God would bring about the end of the earth?

Why should I believe God would have to depend on the invention of nuclear weapons?

If this is the method of destroying the earth why should I believe it is man who will use it?

I wonder what it would sound like if God ripped the fabric of all creation apart by his very word?

When have you ever heard total silence?

Borrowing from Job…

God has all power, just who do we think we are anyway?


God did not have to have the help of man to bring about the flood, & He promised us He would not destroy the earth by water again, that it would be by fire. He can just as easily burn the earth with fire, as he flooded the earth during the days of Noah.

I feel sure up until man invented the nuclear bombs, man thought that God Himself would burn the earth up with fire without help from man. Of course the important things is, this earth is going to be destroy this earth by fire, & God is the one that will be behind this. He has already judge this earth, found it guilty, its just a matter when He will carry the sentence out.

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God did not have to have the help of man to bring about the flood, & He promised us He would not destroy the earth by water again, that it would be by fire. He can just as easily burn the earth with fire, as he flooded the earth during the days of Noah.

I feel sure up until man invented the nuclear bombs, man thought that God Himself would burn the earth up with fire without help from man. Of course the important things is, this earth is going to be destroy this earth by fire, & God is the one that will be behind this. He has already judge this earth, found it guilty, its just a matter when He will carry the sentence out.


Why is it important to understand the end time prophecies?

Jude 1: 22-23 teaches that you win some people by compassion or love but others will be saved by fear.

Most people understand nuclear war and what its effects would look like. If you can show them that the Bible prophets were told by God about nuclear war, they will often believe other parts of the Bible as my neighbor did. He got saved because he was interested in the prophecy.

It is true that God dose not need nuclear bombs to burn the earth. It is also true that God can use man and his nuclear weapons to judge Israel and the earth. Study my post on the sixth seal judgment after you pray and ask God for understanding!

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Why is it important to understand the end time prophecies?

Jude 1: 22-23 teaches that you win some people by compassion or love but others will be saved by fear.

Most people understand nuclear war and what its effects would look like. If you can show them that the Bible prophets were told by God about nuclear war, they will often believe other parts of the Bible as my neighbor did. He got saved because he was interested in the prophecy.

It is true that God dose not need nuclear bombs to burn the earth. It is also true that God can use man and his nuclear weapons to judge Israel and the earth. Study my post on the sixth seal judgment after you pray and ask God for understanding!

Over the years I've found most folks are much more afraid of an actual hell and the wrath of God than they are about a nuclear war.

We can clearly show in Scripture that God will punish the wicked but there is nothing clear at all in Scripture about nuclear war.

Much better to stick to what Scripture clearly says and reach the lost with that than to insert possibilities or imaginations.

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I have prayed and do pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth. Sometimes the Lord uses discussion among fellow Christians. The greater % of time he uses his own word. I was studying Jesus Christ and his life when I saw scripture convincing me of a need to understand end time prophecy. Why would I want to change that now and refer to your ideas and your thoughts. I will have time today to look at the scripture you provided early in this thread to see what God would teach me about those scriptures. God needs absolutely nothing from us whatsoever to carry out his will.


Acts 17:24-28
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

You're just a little off line with your use of Jude. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit is the force pulling the lost with their toes dangling ever so close to eternal hell you can almost smell the flesh burning. If tomorrow, secular humanists take over the governments of men and round up and destroy 100% of all nuclear weapons you've just lost leverage over a multitude of people. I think you are better off sticking to the Gospel and that God will destroy the world alone and without man's assistance.

Eric, I'm not trying to be mean, nasty, or derogatory toward you. However, wouldn't it be better for me to pray, study God's word, and then come back and see what your thoughts are?

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These quotes are interesting:


Here is part of the prayer: Hagee: "Father, in the name of Lord Jesus, I pray for our President...that you would give him the wisdom of Solomon to lead this nation into war against the enemies of righteousness...I pray God that the enemy shall be destroyed and that the angels of heaven go before the US and British forces bringing deliverance to that part of the world and, most assuredly, deliverance to Israel....in Jesus name, amen."

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by John Hagee Ministries."


Grace Halsell - "Forcing God's Hand - Why millions pray for a quick rapture & destruction of planet Earth"
Halsell:
Do you visualize Jesus as a five-star general, opting for the use of nuclear weapons?
Disp:
“Yes...in fact we can expect that Christ will make the first strike. He will release a new weapon. And this weapon will have the same effects as those caused by a neutron bomb. You read that their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongues shall consume away from their mouths. You see, that's what happens to victims of a thermonuclear blast - so Zechariah had foreknowledge of that.”
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One woman said as a young girl she was scared into heaven, I wonder at times if it really worked, she seldom darkens the doors of a church building, & at one time in the last few years had two known drug-headed men shacked up with her. I recall another incident in this woman life while she was attending church, she sold about $10,000.00 dollars of timber. The day she received her check, she took off to another town, picked up a man at a drinking establishment, them took off to the boats. After staying in a motel, losing all of her money, the man left her, empty handed, & with empty pockets. I don't know, but it does not seem that hell scared her enough to really accept Jesus' open arms. Jesus does tell us, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them," Matthew 7:20.


Up until I was saved at just over 15 years of age, I had been in church all through those years, attending many Bible study classes, many preaching services, & many revivals. The afternoon I accept Christ as Savior I did not feel as if I had been scared into the arms of Jesus, it seemed at that moment Jesus full of compassion held His arms open to me, inviting me into them, & I simply accepted the invitation.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I'm sure for many, it seems as if He stands at the door of their life, heart, knocks, & they simply open up their life, heart, & invite Him in.

I had one pastor friend whom I have much respect for make a comment about those on their death bed that have lived as an infidel all their life, suddenly profess Christ as Savior. He stated, ‘Did they do this just out of fear of hell in their last moments of life? If so did they really repent, & get save? I don’t know, only Jesus does, yet I fear many such professions of faith like that are empty.’ No doubt, its dangerous to put it off till the last moments.



John, I don't know about that, back though the late 50's, & into the 60's, many people were scared that a nuclear war would take place. I remember the drills at our school, & seeing one or two walking around with a Geiger counter. And during those years many nuclear fall out shelters were built, & there was much publicly about what could happen due to nuclear fall out, so from my experience it seems more people showed fear of radiation fall out than they did of the Lords return & life in hell. I to remember my Air Force days in SAC working on the engines of the B-52’s. We had several B-52’s setting on the alter pad, loaded down with weapons, many of them having a Hound Dog on each wing. It was an amazing thing when the buzzer went off. Crews running to their planes, starting their engines, at that point everyone in the area knew that was an alter, yet no one knew if it was real or not. Some of our airmen, it put a great fear in their heart, to think this might be the end. I feel though those times there was many that feared that much more than they feared God & hell. If they had the church houses would have been full with many standing outside of the doors, with a big thirst for the Gospel.

That is I have seen many more people shook up over fallout, than I have of the thought of going to hell.

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One woman said as a young girl she was scared into heaven, I wonder at times if it really worked, she seldom darkens the doors of a church building, & at one time in the last few years had two known drug-headed men shacked up with her. I recall another incident in this woman life while she was attending church, she sold about $10,000.00 dollars of timber. The day she received her check, she took off to another town, picked up a man at a drinking establishment, them took off to the boats. After staying in a motel, losing all of her money, the man left her, empty handed, & with empty pockets. I don't know, but it does not seem that hell scared her enough to really accept Jesus' open arms. Jesus does tell us, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them," Matthew 7:20.


Up until I was saved at just over 15 years of age, I had been in church all through those years, attending many Bible study classes, many preaching services, & many revivals. The afternoon I accept Christ as Savior I did not feel as if I had been scared into the arms of Jesus, it seemed at that moment Jesus full of compassion held His arms open to me, inviting me into them, & I simply accepted the invitation.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I'm sure for many, it seems as if He stands at the door of their life, heart, knocks, & they simply open up their life, heart, & invite Him in.

I had one pastor friend whom I have much respect for make a comment about those on their death bed that have lived as an infidel all their life, suddenly profess Christ as Savior. He stated, ‘Did they do this just out of fear of hell in their last moments of life? If so did they really repent, & get save? I don’t know, only Jesus does, yet I fear many such professions of faith like that are empty.’ No doubt, its dangerous to put it off till the last moments.



John, I don't know about that, back though the late 50's, & into the 60's, many people were scared that a nuclear war would take place. I remember the drills at our school, & seeing one or two walking around with a Geiger counter. And during those years many nuclear fall out shelters were built, & there was much publicly about what could happen due to nuclear fall out, so from my experience it seems more people showed fear of radiation fall out than they did of the Lords return & life in hell. I to remember my Air Force days in SAC working on the engines of the B-52’s. We had several B-52’s setting on the alter pad, loaded down with weapons, many of them having a Hound Dog on each wing. It was an amazing thing when the buzzer went off. Crews running to their planes, starting their engines, at that point everyone in the area knew that was an alter, yet no one knew if it was real or not. Some of our airmen, it put a great fear in their heart, to think this might be the end. I feel though those times there was many that feared that much more than they feared God & hell. If they had the church houses would have been full with many standing outside of the doors, with a big thirst for the Gospel.

That is I have seen many more people shook up over fallout, than I have of the thought of going to hell.


Yep, secular humanism has out grown the scare of nuclear war. It may drive folks inside the church building until the all clear siren sounds. In 1958 I started kindergarten but I still remember the instruction on T.V. "duck and cover." Few of the people I knew then show any sign of faith now.

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One woman said as a young girl she was scared into heaven, I wonder at times if it really worked, she seldom darkens the doors of a church building, & at one time in the last few years had two known drug-headed men shacked up with her. I recall another incident in this woman life while she was attending church, she sold about $10,000.00 dollars of timber. The day she received her check, she took off to another town, picked up a man at a drinking establishment, them took off to the boats. After staying in a motel, losing all of her money, the man left her, empty handed, & with empty pockets. I don't know, but it does not seem that hell scared her enough to really accept Jesus' open arms. Jesus does tell us, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them," Matthew 7:20.


Up until I was saved at just over 15 years of age, I had been in church all through those years, attending many Bible study classes, many preaching services, & many revivals. The afternoon I accept Christ as Savior I did not feel as if I had been scared into the arms of Jesus, it seemed at that moment Jesus full of compassion held His arms open to me, inviting me into them, & I simply accepted the invitation.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I'm sure for many, it seems as if He stands at the door of their life, heart, knocks, & they simply open up their life, heart, & invite Him in.

I had one pastor friend whom I have much respect for make a comment about those on their death bed that have lived as an infidel all their life, suddenly profess Christ as Savior. He stated, ‘Did they do this just out of fear of hell in their last moments of life? If so did they really repent, & get save? I don’t know, only Jesus does, yet I fear many such professions of faith like that are empty.’ No doubt, its dangerous to put it off till the last moments.



John, I don't know about that, back though the late 50's, & into the 60's, many people were scared that a nuclear war would take place. I remember the drills at our school, & seeing one or two walking around with a Geiger counter. And during those years many nuclear fall out shelters were built, & there was much publicly about what could happen due to nuclear fall out, so from my experience it seems more people showed fear of radiation fall out than they did of the Lords return & life in hell. I to remember my Air Force days in SAC working on the engines of the B-52’s. We had several B-52’s setting on the alter pad, loaded down with weapons, many of them having a Hound Dog on each wing. It was an amazing thing when the buzzer went off. Crews running to their planes, starting their engines, at that point everyone in the area knew that was an alter, yet no one knew if it was real or not. Some of our airmen, it put a great fear in their heart, to think this might be the end. I feel though those times there was many that feared that much more than they feared God & hell. If they had the church houses would have been full with many standing outside of the doors, with a big thirst for the Gospel.

That is I have seen many more people shook up over fallout, than I have of the thought of going to hell.

Without a doubt many folks used to be very fearful of nuclear war. Most especially, it seems, those who lived through the repeated news of the high risk of nuclear war throughout the 50s and 60s, and to a lesser extent those in the 70s and 80s. Since the fall of the Soviet Union it seems there is much less fear of nuclear war.

It would seem, regarding the lady you mentioned, that had she been scared into heaven, her fruit would bear witness to that. Fear that will drive one to into the arms of Jesus will also keep one there.

I wouldn't say it was totally fear that brought me to salvation, but it did play a part in it. I had just turned 18, had spent years in Sunday school and VBS, until my early teens, and had never heard a thing about the need to be born again, of the Second Coming, of Judgement, any sort of end time, that there was only one sure way to get to heaven. I heard about all these things at one time, at an evening church service, and there was certainly an amount of fear in me, but for myself, I think the biggest part of the fear was that I realized in order to be right with God, to go to heaven, I had to be right with Jesus, and for the first time in my life I realized I was headed to hell for certain. That night, I was born again in Christ.

Prior to that I had been taught in the Methodist church that I had to "be good" to go to heaven.

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My experience, is that those who were scared of nuclear war, were not saved but joined CND.

I do not believe that anyone is saved by fear of hell, nuclear war, or hope of heaven.

I believe that every who is saved has been saved by their knowledge of being sinners who have offended a holy and righteous God, and have repented of their sin and called on the Saviour for forgiveness.

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My experience, is that those who were scared of nuclear war, were not saved but joined CND.

I do not believe that anyone is saved by fear of hell, nuclear war, or hope of heaven.

I believe that every who is saved has been saved by their knowledge of being sinners who have offended a holy and righteous God, and have repented of their sin and called on the Saviour for forgiveness.

Edited for spelling.

Discovering that I was a sinner headed to hell did bring about fear in me, but it wasn't only the fear that drove me to Christ, I had wanted to be right with God most of my life but had never been taught the right way.

I've known of some who had similar fear that helped bring them to Christ, but I've never known anyone who was afraid of war, nuclear weapons, or anything else that actually brought them to saving faith.
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Isaiah 4:2–4 KJV
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and
by the spirit of burning.

God will use nations to judge Israel with fire and God will call America from the other end of the earth to come to Israel and take away some of Israel to safety.

Isaiah 5:24-26, 29–30 KJV
24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
25 Therefore is the anger of the Lord kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
26 And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly:
29 Their roaring shall be like a lion, they shall roar like young lions: yea, they shall roar, and lay hold of the prey, and shall carry it away safe, and none shall deliver it.
30 And in that day they shall roar against them like the roaring of the sea: and if one look unto the land, behold darkness and sorrow, and the light is darkened in the heavens thereof.

It will happen in the sixth seal when the heavens are darkened over Israel.

Edited by Eric Stahl

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In Isaiah 33:11 indicates it is man’s breath that burns the people as lime.

In Isaiah 26:11 the Lord says “the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.”

In Jeremiah 25:14-15,29-33 God sends out a cup of judgment that causes nations to send evil from nation to nation that will look like a great whirlwinds and kill people from one end of the earth to the other. Yes God is going to push the nuclear button and men will kill each other!

Isa 25:3-7

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. KJV

The blast with the hot cloud will burn the ozone layer and cause the sun to become 7 times brighter see
Isaiah 30:25-26


Eric,
I didn't have as much time yesterday to work on this as I thought. When I read the chapter in Isaiah, I thought it meant words coming from a man. But reading it over, I decided to put it to the commentaries and here is what I found about one verse which, you are using out of context.


In Isaiah 33:11 indicates it is man’s breath that burns the people as lime.

Isaiah 33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
Isaiah 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

This has nothing to do with a prophecy of God destroying the earth or even God destroying Jerusalem. It has to do with God intervening to destroy an invader of Jerusalem.

Your short description of vs. 11 is inaccurate. You combined parts of two verses 11 and 12 which could have led anyone astray. The people that are burned of their own breath are not Jews or gentiles "from the islands." Reading every commentary I can find this speaks of Assyrian invaders (vs.1 “…Woe to thee that spoilest…”) being destroyed by God intervening for the Jews. The Assyrians wanted to sack Jerusalem and take all of the treasures they could.

I have a tenacity about me when I suspect a brother has used scripture out of context. Then, if I find one it encourages me more. I hope you have not published this work because you need to do a lot of editing. I see you're posting more scripture have you checked for context?

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I to remember my Air Force days in SAC working on the engines of the B-52’s. We had several B-52’s setting on the alter pad, loaded down with weapons, many of them having a Hound Dog on each wing. It was an amazing thing when the buzzer went off. Crews running to their planes, starting their engines, at that point everyone in the area knew that was an alter, yet no one knew if it was real or not. Some of our airmen, it put a great fear in their heart, to think this might be the end.


Remember the "Failsafe" film. I understand that because Britain was nearer to Moscow, the US had planes continually taking off to bomb Russia, & waiting/hoping for a call to return rather than proceed.

In the film, the Russians jammed the communication, so the planes were not recalled ....

We were relieved when 1984 came & went without incident. The comedy team, the Goons, spoofed 1985 with the slogan: "It's good to be alive in 1985."

9/11 was a dreadful terrorist attack on the US, but how many American, Iraqi & Afghani - including Christian - lives have been lost to avenge those 3,000? And are we safer today? I suspect that if there really is the danger we are being warned about, from terrorists prepared to launch suicide attacks, then there would have been many more such attacks.

Meanwhile our governments are turning their back on the One who can change men's hearts & minds.

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I agree that God uses both nations & people at times, but when this comes about.


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 ¶ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

When this is going, its not going to be of a nation, of of nations, of people, of one person, its going to be of God,

Plus, unless the Bible speaks of a nation directly by name about doing this or that, we should not either. America, the United States, is not used in the pages of the Bible, so we know its not refereed to, directly that is. Such teachings don't bother me, except when names are added that God did not use.

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Remember the "Failsafe" film. I understand that because Britain was nearer to Moscow, the US had planes continually taking off to bomb Russia, & waiting/hoping for a call to return rather than proceed.

In the film, the Russians jammed the communication, so the planes were not recalled ....

We were relieved when 1984 came & went without incident. The comedy team, the Goons, spoofed 1985 with the slogan: "It's good to be alive in 1985."

9/11 was a dreadful terrorist attack on the US, but how many American, Iraqi & Afghani - including Christian - lives have been lost to avenge those 3,000? And are we safer today? I suspect that if there really is the danger we are being warned about, from terrorists prepared to launch suicide attacks, then there would have been many more such attacks.

Meanwhile our governments are turning their back on the One who can change men's hearts & minds.


I would have to humbly disagree with you, & this is the reason.

Our pilots knew, if it ever come to dropping the nuclear bombs on Russia, it would only be because nuclear bombs had been dropped on American. Plus, after having dropped the bombs they were carrying, the bombs may well take them out, or they might not have the fuel to return home, or they might not be no home to return to, or they would have family killed from the bombs dropped on America.

And yes, during those years we have bombers in the air 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, holidays included.

I recall well working on bombers that were due to take off on theses missions, also being called out to the runway because one was having an engine problem, that was to take off on such a mission.

There is information on the net about this, Chrome Dome. Just click on the link, some of it is fascinating reading.

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Remember the "Failsafe" film. I understand that because Britain was nearer to Moscow, the US had planes continually taking off to bomb Russia, & waiting/hoping for a call to return rather than proceed.

In the film, the Russians jammed the communication, so the planes were not recalled ....

We were relieved when 1984 came & went without incident. The comedy team, the Goons, spoofed 1985 with the slogan: "It's good to be alive in 1985."

9/11 was a dreadful terrorist attack on the US, but how many American, Iraqi & Afghani - including Christian - lives have been lost to avenge those 3,000? And are we safer today? I suspect that if there really is the danger we are being warned about, from terrorists prepared to launch suicide attacks, then there would have been many more such attacks.

Meanwhile our governments are turning their back on the One who can change men's hearts & minds.

Unfortunately, the attack on 9/11 was used to grab massive amounts of new and unconstitutional power in this country. It was also used as the launching pad for an unnecessary and unprofitable war in Iraq.

Other nations also took the opportunity to make similar moves. Governments telling their people they can't be free and safe so they were taking away our freedom and then declaring we are now safe.

Had America took out the terrorist supporting Taliban in Afghanistan and struck Al Quida there and then either left or kept a force ONLY in the area of Afghanistan where they still held some power, in order to finish them off or try to eliminate them, such would have been a reasonable response to 9/11.

Attempting to occupy much of Afghanistan, "build democracy", prop up the new "democracy" (which, if one reads their constitution, it's not democratic at all), expect troops to wage war, play police and try not to upset anyone, pulling multiple tours, all the while invading Iraq, which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, which was barely getting by due to sanctions imposed at the request of America, followed by occupying that country for a decade, all the while threatening possible war with Iran and Syria, was not reasonble nor in the best interests of America or her allies.

As you point out, all the while denying Christ. Our troops are told to hide any Christian symbols and keep their Christianity hidden so as not to offend the Muslims. In our home countries, efforts are continually underway to silence Christians, make Bible believing Christians out to be a threat, and make our countries secular.

Oh, and the country where most of the 9/11 terrorists came from, and Bin Laden himself came from, Saudi Arabia, we say nothing bad about, and even give them special status and benefits. Meanwhile, they fill mosques in our countries with radical Islamic literature and teaching materials along with large donations of money.
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