Jump to content
Online Baptist
rstrats

Matthew 12:40

Recommended Posts

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutey doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ASongOfDegrees,


 

re: "What is a 'sixth day crucifixion'" folk?"



It's someone who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the sixth day of the week.



 

 


 

re: "Do you mean those who say Christ rose from the dead on Saturday?"



NO. See above.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

Can't you use the evidence for the "Jewish Day" being a 24 our day? Use Genesis, that is before the first century.

"Jewish idiom?"

What part of the Bible do these folks get their argument from?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ASongOfDegrees

 

re:  "I think you need to simplify your question because I've read it a few times over and still don't know what you are asking."

 

 

I'm afraid I can't ask it any more clearly than I have.   Thanks for at least reading it, though. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think you need to simplify your question because I've read it a few times over and still don't know what you are asking.

 

I've tried to as well and it appears to be talking about a logical contradiction.

 

If a period of time is defined by a number of days and nights but the period of time also can't include "at least a part of each of" the given days and nights, then the period of time can't include any of the days and nights given to define it. Expressing a period of time that way would be like saying 'January 1st, defined as March 5th'.

 

Obviously he can't be asking about that so I must be getting confused somewhere...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A Jewish day began at 6am (sunrise) and night began at 6pm (sunset).  The Baptist Challenge and the Baptist Pillar have articles showing the biblical timeline for Christ's arrest, trial, crucifixtion, death and resurrection.  I have also created an excel spreadsheet that I would be happy to share if you send me your e-mail address in a PM.

 

Jesus was in the tomb for 3 full and literal days and nights, not as the Catholics and Protestants teach.

 

At exactly sundown (6pm) (Wednesday, Nisan 14th ended at 5:59pm) Thursday, Nisan the 15th Christ was buried.  The 15th of Nisan was a High Passover Sabbath day.  The 14th was Passover.  16 Nisan was Jewish Friday.  Jesus came out of the tomb at 6pm on Nisan the 18th, Sunday.  For us, that would be 6pm on Saturday.  3 literal days and nights just as he said he would be. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

swathdiver,

 

Do you have any information asked for in the OP?

 

Only from what I've read in the Baptist Challenge and Baptist Pillar articles.  My faith in the bible is sufficient enough for me, the claim of those using the MVs confuses the facts and they'll never learn anyway.

 

Why is it that important?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

swathdiver,

 

re: "Only from what I've read in the Baptist Challenge and Baptist Pillar articles."

 

OK, maybe someone new looking in will know of some writing.

 

 

 

re: "Why is it that important?"

 

In order to try to determine if the 6th day crucifixion adherents' argument about Matthew 12:40 being an idiom can be shown to be a possibility due to its use in other writings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

swathdiver,

 

re:  "Why is it so hard not to take Jesus Christ at his word?"

 

Are you sure you don't mean "why is it so hard TO take the Messiah at His word?"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why is it so hard not to take Jesus Christ at his word?

 

Swathdriver, take a look at the OP again and see if you can crystalise what Rstrats' question actually is. If, like SongofDegrees and I, you can't make any sense of it, is there even anything for you to engage with here?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest

Swathdriver, take a look at the OP again and see if you can crystalise what Rstrats' question actually is. If, like SongofDegrees and I, you can't make any sense of it, is there even anything for you to engage with here?

 

This thread should be locked...how about it rst?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've tried to as well and it appears to be talking about a logical contradiction.

 

If a period of time is defined by a number of days and nights but the period of time also can't include "at least a part of each of" the given days and nights, then the period of time can't include any of the days and nights given to define it. Expressing a period of time that way would be like saying 'January 1st, defined as March 5th'.

 

Obviously he can't be asking about that so I must be getting confused somewhere...

 

This has always been a problem for many, & those who have a problem with it never seem able to leave it alone.

 

They say, it has to be exactly three, 3, days, & exactly three, 3, nights, not one second more, not one second more.

 

I'm of the persuasion that it was 3 days & 3 nights, back in my truck driving days of cross country trucking most of the time I was gone for at least 5 to 7 days before returning home. Yet once in a while I would make a very short trip & be gone for 3 days & three nights. When I was gone for 3 days & 3 nights it means, I left today & I was gone from home 3 different days & 3 different nights, not necessarily a complete & exact precise 72 hours. Yet not being gone an exact precise 72 hours does not mean I was not gone from home 3 days & 3 nights. 

 

I know that I will get brow beaten by many for saying this. It just amazes me how some can be so critical about this period of time, yet seem to use as much liberty as they can gather up in their Christian walk on other subjects, issues, doctrines.

 

But I will not debate this issues with them, I will just let them set around & debate it among their selves & or with those that want to debate this issue. And I will not say not one thing sassy or bad about them behind their back nor to their face.

 

Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

 

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

Yes, Jonah was in the belly of that big fish 3 days, & 3 nights, yet that does not mane he was in that fish belly for an exact 72 hours.

 

Back years ago the wife & I would go camping once in a while at the lake, many times we were gone three days & three nights, yet we were not gone an exact 72 hours. Probably never were gone an exact 72 hours. Wow, I really enjoyed those days. We had a ski boat, & that was much fun. And thankfully we had some good friends that enjoyed the same type of fun we did & that made it more enjoyably. Of course I was younger back them, & that was before I had much neck trouble, along with a couple of neck surgeries. So now I could not enjoy being gone 3 days & 3 nights from home sleeping in a tent on a pallet on the ground nor skiing behind a boat. 

 

I sure look forward to that day spoken about in this verse.

 

Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

I look forward to all of them, but more especially pain, I guarantee you, living in pain sure does change a person, & until a person has lived it day to day they cannot understand it.

 

God is great, the best is yet to come for those who have Jesus, & for those who don't have Jesus, this is as good as it gets.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1Tim115,

 

re: "What part of the Bible do these folks get their argument from?"

 

 

Some try to use Esther 4:16 and 5, 1 Samuel 30:12 and 13, and 2 Chronicles 10:5 and 12. However, none of these preclude at least a part of each one of the specified days nor at least a part of each one of the specified nights.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Two or three years ago I did an in depth study of the timeline of the Crucifixtion and learned from the Scriptures that Christ was in the tomb 3 full days and 3 full nights, just as Jonah was in the whale.  It was a fascinating study.  Sadly, I still have relatives who walk around with soot ashes on their forehead and collect palm fronds.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This has always been a problem for many, & those who have a problem with it never seem able to leave it alone.

 

They say, it has to be exactly three, 3, days, & exactly three, 3, nights, not one second more, not one second more.

 

I'm of the persuasion that it was 3 days & 3 nights, back in my truck driving days of cross country trucking most of the time I was gone for at least 5 to 7 days before returning home. Yet once in a while I would make a very short trip & be gone for 3 days & three nights. When I was gone for 3 days & 3 nights it means, I left today & I was gone from home 3 different days & 3 different nights, not necessarily a complete & exact precise 72 hours. Yet not being gone an exact precise 72 hours does not mean I was not gone from home 3 days & 3 nights. 

 

I know that I will get brow beaten by many for saying this. It just amazes me how some can be so critical about this period of time, yet seem to use as much liberty as they can gather up in their Christian walk on other subjects, issues, doctrines.

 

But I will not debate this issues with them, I will just let them set around & debate it among their selves & or with those that want to debate this issue. And I will not say not one thing sassy or bad about them behind their back nor to their face.

 

Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

 

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

Yes, Jonah was in the belly of that big fish 3 days, & 3 nights, yet that does not mane he was in that fish belly for an exact 72 hours.

 

Back years ago the wife & I would go camping once in a while at the lake, many times we were gone three days & three nights, yet we were not gone an exact 72 hours. Probably never were gone an exact 72 hours. Wow, I really enjoyed those days. We had a ski boat, & that was much fun. And thankfully we had some good friends that enjoyed the same type of fun we did & that made it more enjoyably. Of course I was younger back them, & that was before I had much neck trouble, along with a couple of neck surgeries. So now I could not enjoy being gone 3 days & 3 nights from home sleeping in a tent on a pallet on the ground nor skiing behind a boat. 

 

I sure look forward to that day spoken about in this verse.

 

Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

I look forward to all of them, but more especially pain, I guarantee you, living in pain sure does change a person, & until a person has lived it day to day they cannot understand it.

 

God is great, the best is yet to come for those who have Jesus, & for those who don't have Jesus, this is as good as it gets.

Many thanks for this, Jerry.

 

Carl

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This has always been a problem for many, & those who have a problem with it never seem able to leave it alone.

 

They say, it has to be exactly three, 3, days, & exactly three, 3, nights, not one second more, not one second more.

 

I'm of the persuasion that it was 3 days & 3 nights, back in my truck driving days of cross country trucking most of the time I was gone for at least 5 to 7 days before returning home. Yet once in a while I would make a very short trip & be gone for 3 days & three nights. When I was gone for 3 days & 3 nights it means, I left today & I was gone from home 3 different days & 3 different nights, not necessarily a complete & exact precise 72 hours. Yet not being gone an exact precise 72 hours does not mean I was not gone from home 3 days & 3 nights. 

 

I know that I will get brow beaten by many for saying this. It just amazes me how some can be so critical about this period of time, yet seem to use as much liberty as they can gather up in their Christian walk on other subjects, issues, doctrines.

 

But I will not debate this issues with them, I will just let them set around & debate it among their selves & or with those that want to debate this issue. And I will not say not one thing sassy or bad about them behind their back nor to their face.

 

Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

 

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

Yes, Jonah was in the belly of that big fish 3 days, & 3 nights, yet that does not mane he was in that fish belly for an exact 72 hours.

 

Back years ago the wife & I would go camping once in a while at the lake, many times we were gone three days & three nights, yet we were not gone an exact 72 hours. Probably never were gone an exact 72 hours. Wow, I really enjoyed those days. We had a ski boat, & that was much fun. And thankfully we had some good friends that enjoyed the same type of fun we did & that made it more enjoyably. Of course I was younger back them, & that was before I had much neck trouble, along with a couple of neck surgeries. So now I could not enjoy being gone 3 days & 3 nights from home sleeping in a tent on a pallet on the ground nor skiing behind a boat. 

 

I sure look forward to that day spoken about in this verse.

 

Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

I look forward to all of them, but more especially pain, I guarantee you, living in pain sure does change a person, & until a person has lived it day to day they cannot understand it.

 

God is great, the best is yet to come for those who have Jesus, & for those who don't have Jesus, this is as good as it gets.

 

 

But unlike us, God is a God of exactness.  When he judged the Jews by the destruction of the city by the Romans, it was exactly the same day in the calendar that he destroyed it by the Babylonians, Exactly.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Who's Online   0 Members, 0 Anonymous, 37 Guests (See full list)

    There are no registered users currently online



×