My preacher and I visited Fairhaven years ago. We had a young man that wanted to go there, so we "checked it out" I was not too impressed. They seemed "too good to be true." It was like they were on their best, and only showed their best successes as if deliberately trying to impress us. The president of the college at the time (Forgot the name, but I think it started with a "V", Volglen, or something like that.) was cordial enough but seemed to be hiding something. The preacher and I both left with the same feeling, but the young man went there anyway. How he fares now, I do not know, but his brother travels around singing Gospel sons, and thinks he's Elvis Presley, apparently. He "swallows" the microphone, and moves a lot while singing, "stretching" notes that do not require it. Anyway, since things usually go downhill over time, I imagine they are not much today, as ukelele Mike already stated. We did not hear their music then though.
Well, I have to say that the grace you demand be extended to Jack Hyles is certainly not evident in this post. You met him and assumed he was hiding something...you both "felt" that...hmmmm. And it's Voegtlin. Perfect man? Absolutely not. But my point is that you don't even know him and you cast aspersion. But, yet, you unequivocally state that those who DID know JH have no business "smearing" him. By your own measuring stick, RVoegtlin has made a big impact and done a lot of good things, so you cannot, by your own application to JH critics, criticize him. "They" may not be much today, but that, again, is aspersion AND opinion not based on solid fact known to you (yes, you said "I imagine", but my point, again, is that you blast people for their comments about things they KNOW about JH, but you do it without firsthand knowledge of "V".) (and, honestly, why in the world would any college point out their failures?)
I will guarantee that if anyone who attended Fairhaven "swallows" their microphone, they did not learn it there. Nor did he learn the moving and the stretching of notes there, either. (again, this is smearing a place, making it seem like the actions were learned at the place - which they were not)
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying things are perfect at Fairhaven. I'm not discrediting your impressions, either, nor throwing stones. I'm just calling out the inconsistency.
brosmith - I have no idea of what the music allowed in the dorms is. I do know what the music standards for the dorm were when my hubby was in college. We were married, so he was a town student, but we had some tapes that wouldn't pass approval, so we either got rid of them or put them away. Not because we had to, but because my husband felt that it would be good for us to align with the standards.
I understand your objection to the drums. But, honestly, the usage of the drums is consistent with good, solid music, and in no way is contemporary. Many people do not like drums, but they are percussion instruments just as tambourines, cymbals, and even pianos are...Used in proper control they are not wrong. And no-one who sits in our auditorium during services can truthfully say that our music is in any way contemporary.
I can just about guarantee that if the music at Fairhaven bothers you, there isn't a known college (by that, I mean one that most folk know about - BJU, Hyles, West Coast, Crown, etc) that you will approve of, based on music alone (leaving aside doctrinal issues, which also would be important). And that's okay. She's your daughter and it is your responsibility to vet any college she would possibly attend. No throwing of stones. Truly. (but a phone call might have gotten you more satisfaction?)
BroMatt, you posted as I was typing this...I would not say that there are non-KJV materials in the bookstore. The books brosmith referenced are biographies (for the most part). And in those bios, there are Bible verses. The printers inserted non-KJV verses in the books. It's a shame that they did, that, truly. But the books are not doctrinal books. Again, they are mostly biographies (some are sermon books). Reprinting the books in the original, swath, is cost prohibitive, even if one could get the original, and get the copyright permission to do so... (and, seriously "these folks?" "goats?" - why don't you call and find out if "these folks" really have given into the "goats?" 219-926-6636) The book mentioned (about Esther Kim) is an absolutely excellent book. I read it years ago, and so do not remember non-KJV verses in it. (I'm not doubting you, brosmith, I just don't remember the verses. But I do remember the amazing way God worked in her life). Warning is posted so people know before they buy the books. We are still KJV. And will continue to be so even under the new pastor. (FYI, BroMatt - Dan is now dean of students...interesting side note - he was my student in 7th grade when I taught school in Belpre.)
The bookstore is predominantly there for the church members. To provide good materials so there is no need to shop in charismatic bookstores where anything goes. That doesn't mean it's not open to others, because it is - and it doesn't mean it's perfect, because it isn't. But members know very definitely that non-KJV is not approved. Any more than the sins of those in the biographies are approved; for instance - there are books about Billy Sunday in there. He was a great preacher - but his kids went to the devil, and he was a Presbyterian (that isn't the reason his kids went bad!). That doesn't mean that we approve of the Presbyterian church or kids going bad...Now, I would be the first to agree that if others use the bookstore, that puts a different slant on it. But, again, caveat is posted. And needs to be heeded...
As to Patch - it still holds true today, BroMatt. But I don't know if they even sell Patch anymore at all. I haven't looked lately, but the last time I was in there, there were other kids materials and no Patch. Some really good Bible verse CDs put to music. All KJV verses, and solid music.
I'm not going to sit here and say that everything is absolutely without problem at Fairhaven. But I honestly can't say there's another college I would recommend (and that's coming from someone who attended 4 different Bible colleges (and loved 'em all), and personally knows about many things at several more...). But there are correspondence courses, as was referenced in an earlier post. That is something to be considered as well. If you (generic you) are concerned about the doctrine or music of a college, and are hesitant about moving your family - or sending your child - then stay (or keep the kids home) in your home church, serve in the ministries there, and learn via correspondence. That way, if there is a doctrinal issue, your pastor would be there for you to discuss it with.
FWIW - I don't know that, if I had a daughter, I would want to send her away to college. I would want her to be further educated, but am not sure I would send her out of my home...Just my own thoughts, and NO reflection on the college our church has (honestly - the college does a bang-up job of teaching students - (I remember when Kita was there...I don't know if she's aware of this [probably not] how highly she was thought of. When she and her hubby were getting ready to go to their first ministry position, one of the Asst. pastors told my hubby that she was going to be a great teacher [they liked Danny, too :uhhh: , but he isn't on the forum]. Suzi - that Asst. was Dr. B...).
As to the OP, I know that my hubby benefited from coming to college. At the church where we met, the pastor said college wasn't necessary. He felt that he should be the one to train my hubby. But I will just state this here: he was an egomaniac who not only had really bad doctrine, but he used intimidation to cow people (and by intimidation, I mean even physical violence if he felt it was "needed"). And so we left that church. And went to a church that had an institute. My hubby attended it. And that pastor had the same thoughts - he even said that if a person stayed in the church, they would know more doctrine than if they went to Bible college. But that pastor had some issues as well. Not as bad as the previous, but I don't believe my hubby would be the man he is today had he not come to college.
It's been a long time since he graduated. We don't know what the Lord is doing, but we know He is working and - although it's longer than most - we are waiting on Him. I do know that I believe my hubby would make one great pastor. He is humble and loves the Lord with all his heart. That's not something you learn in Bible college. Or even your home church. It's a work God has to do in your heart. And sometimes that takes time.