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#1 JerryNumbers

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 05:37 PM

Green Ramp Disaster, March 23, 1994, & F-16 Army fighter hits an Air Force C-130, death toll climbs to 20

 

The control tower folks & the F-16 pilot found at fault.



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:02 AM

Just being in the armed services is dangerous, tragedy can strike from just about anywhere.



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:14 PM

Yes, but they can make it even more dangerous, & in this incident they did, they were trying to bring the Army & Air Force together at & Air Force base, this happened, & they stopped it. Air Force bases are not designed for such a mission.

 

Yet now the politicians are trying to do so again. Will something bad like this happen again?



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 12:39 PM

Yes, but they can make it even more dangerous, & in this incident they did, they were trying to bring the Army & Air Force together at & Air Force base, this happened, & they stopped it. Air Force bases are not designed for such a mission.

 

Yet now the politicians are trying to do so again. Will something bad like this happen again?

 

What's the alternative?

 

Being from the Navy/Marine culture, they are intertwined, I don't understand what you're suggesting.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:14 PM

Tragic...I'm not sure you can pin this on politics forcing the Army and Air Force into joint basing though. Both aircraft were Air Force owned and operated. The Army doesn't fly any fixed-wing aircraft, only rotary wing (helicopters).



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:00 AM

And the politicians are trying to do it again, hope it does not have the same results.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:27 AM

Well Matt, your post got me thinking.  Maybe they should have had or maybe did have at one time, isolated areas for troops to board aircraft further away from the runways.  

 

This forced integration has done much damage to the services and our country.  As a nation we can afford to keep our services separate and with enough facilities to fight a two ocean war.  We did so with half the population we have today.  It's the entitlements and Statist mindset that are the culprits which of course only happened because America as a whole turned away from God.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 02:21 AM

Yes, that may be true. But the Air Force bases may well need to be in different places than the Army bases, or Marine bases.

 

Yet at this time the Air Force bases are not designed for having the Army there to doing such things at they were in the article. So it might be best & safer, & cheaper to keep them separated than redesigning them & or building new ones.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:03 AM

Well Matt, your post got me thinking.  Maybe they should have had or maybe did have at one time, isolated areas for troops to board aircraft further away from the runways.  

 

This forced integration has done much damage to the services and our country.  As a nation we can afford to keep our services separate and with enough facilities to fight a two ocean war.  We did so with half the population we have today.  It's the entitlements and Statist mindset that are the culprits which of course only happened because America as a whole turned away from God.

 

That's certainly true. There are contexts and environments in which joint operations work well and those they don't. However, I think this tragedy was a result of poor situaltional awareness on the part of multiple parties. Pope AFB and Ft. Bragg are right next to each other and essentially grew together to become a joint base (I think all they did was take a couple fences down). At one time it was just an Army base with an airfield; used to be Pope Army Air Field. The thing is, Ft. Bragg is where they train paratroopers who make their jumps out of Air Force C-130s so the Army was there by virtue of what they do. In fact, it's called the green ramp because that's where all the paratroopers loaded up (i.e. Army green).






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