Duck Dynasty Patriarch Suspended

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I don't remember the name of the show, I think it came out a year or two or so ago, but it's a cop show based upon a family and I've heard Christians talk about how good and Christian the show is. I found the show last year or the year before and I couldn't even watch one full episode. The "Christian" aspects of the show are Catholic and while the families may be there for one another, they are not living in accord with Scripture and the show doesn't have a Christian feel to it at all.

 

Considering so many Christians today think the RCC and Mormons are just different denominations within Christianity, I suppose such shouldn't surprise me.

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I don't remember the name of the show, I think it came out a year or two or so ago, but it's a cop show based upon a family and I've heard Christians talk about how good and Christian the show is. I found the show last year or the year before and I couldn't even watch one full episode. The "Christian" aspects of the show are Catholic and while the families may be there for one another, they are not living in accord with Scripture and the show doesn't have a Christian feel to it at all.

 

Considering so many Christians today think the RCC and Mormons are just different denominations within Christianity, I suppose such shouldn't surprise me.

Are you talking about the show, "Blue Bloods?"

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(still can't use the Quote)

 

Maybe, I'm not sure but it does seem like the show may have had the word blue in it.

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"Blue Bloods" is a show about a NYC family of police officers.  Tom Selleck is the lead cast member.  I have watched it, b/c it reminds me of my inner city school teaching days.  However, the episodes are becoming quite liberal.  My hubby doesn't watch it.  I am done with the show, too.  I only DRV'd a few episodes, and that is enough for me. 

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The Robertsons are not of our stripe of believer, but one thing that can be said is that they are not ashamed to say what they believe.  Way too many doctrinally correct Christians sit back and say nothing because that's not what we're (supposedly) supposed to do.

 

I don't feel in the least bit sorry for the Robertsons. They aren't hurt by this at all.  It's not even an issue of them being hurt. It's an issue of free speech and tolerance.  Christians have the same guarantee under the Constitution to speak their beliefs...but in this PC time in which we live, Christians are the only group of which "tolerance" is demanded.  Christianity is not to be tolerated in any way, shape, or form....even if those Christians have long hair, sloppy beards, and make wine (don't get me wrong - I don't agree in any with with their hair or the wine. I think that further weakens Christianity because it makes those kinds of things acceptable to people).  

 

I don't believe this is a publicity stunt because the interview was done by GQ (I have to laugh at the thought of the "gentlemen" who read that magazine even being interested in the Robertsons. :icon_smile: ).  It is quite feasible, though, that A&E is trying to use this to get more publicity.  However, many of their advertisers are coming down on the side of the Roberstons, so if it's a publicity stunt, it is likely, as Seth said, to backfire.  I realize that Beck is a Mormon, and so not a Christian, but his offer to them was based on the fact that Phil's right to free speech is being stifled, which is commendable of him, unscriptural beliefs or not.

 

The thing that too many good Christians don't realize is that it is our freedom of speech that is on the line also.  Yes, I know it is inevitable that we will lose the freedom we have now to witness for Christ.  But we oughtn't sit back and just let it happen, KWIM? As I said, I don't believe they are even close to being doctrinally correct.  But kudos to him for standing by what scripture says and not being afraid to let the world know that bestiality, homosexuality, and fornication is sin and sinners are headed to Hell.  And this isn't a new stance with him.  He is on the record as saying the same thing in 2010.

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I have never heard of these guys until this week.  But this is one gigantic publicity stunt.  They all know exactly what they are doing.  Drumming up ratings, to sell more ads.  Plain and simple.  And it is working.  Me, one who does not even have cable, cannot escape the "controversy" and has thrust this scruffy looking man upon me when I have no desire to watch his show.

 

There is no violation of free speech.  The bill of rights protects us from government action.  The government cannot censor our message.  Private citizens and companies can do whatever they want to do.  A&E is making a business decision.  Allegedly they are suspending this guy for what he said.  If that is true, that is fine.  It is their business, their decision.  They can craft whatever message they want for their audience.

 

There is no persecution going on.  Ridiculous.  Move to the middle east or other places where Christians are thrown in jail or killed for their faith and tell me that this is persecution.  Please.  Christians in the US are not persecuted.  Being made fun of or people disagreeing with you is not persecution.  Being thrown in jail, assaulted, beaten, stoned, killed, etc. is.  

 

In reality, I think the suspension is not real.  They drummed up controversy, "suspended" him when it really doesn't matter, and will hire him back when this blows over in a week or two.  Their ratings for this show will be higher. They will all make more money because of it.

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Why would A&E agree to such a publicity stunt, knowing that their ratings would drop considerably?

No, they themselves said they are strong supporters of the LGBT community.

Phil was put off the show for voicing his religious beliefs.

Meanwhile, a sodomite couple on Storage Wars in New York, also on A&E, makes a statement that it is more logical for man to lie with man than women. Using very descriptive language. Yet, no reprimand from the network.

Sorry, but this is far from a publicity stunt.

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Why would A&E agree to such a publicity stunt, knowing that their ratings would drop considerably?

No, they themselves said they are strong supporters of the LGBT community.

Phil was put off the show for voicing his religious beliefs.

Meanwhile, a sodomite couple on Storage Wars in New York, also on A&E, makes a statement that it is more logical for man to lie with man than women. Using very descriptive language. Yet, no reprimand from the network.

Sorry, but this is far from a publicity stunt.

 

They will continue to air this show.  They have just solidified and gathered many people to start watching.  Any attention is good to gain viewers.  It is all a very well orchestrated stunt.  

 

The station distances themselves from the inflammatory comments, and when it all dies down, they hire him back.  They will air the show, and millions will feel like they are "supporting Phil" by watching his show and buying his products.  They don't care what station it is on.  They care about "supporting" this guy who was "persecuted" or his faith.

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The thing is, folks are supporting Phil, not A&E and his supporters are being specific in supporting that which benefits Phil, not A&E. A&E is taking a publicity hit. The Robertson's are already beyond set for life and have a fan base larger than many actual Hollywood celebrities.

 

At this stage of the game, with the DD brand riding the crest of the wave already, there is nothing to be gained by the drama going on right now.

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The thing is, folks are supporting Phil, not A&E and his supporters are being specific in supporting that which benefits Phil, not A&E.

 

Exactly.  That is why when this show airs on A&E, more folks will tune in.  They worked Phil's congregation into a lather, who spread the message to others, who blew up the internet thrusting this show unto us that do not care.  More will tune in, regardless of what channel the show is on.  A&E has the contract, they will air it.  They already filmed all but one of next seasons episodes, so what good does this "suspension" do?  Nothing.  A&E will ultimately sell more ads for this program.

 

There are marketers who are masters at manipulating the public.  They sure pulled the right strings this time which led to all of this idiocy. 

 

 

 

It is all a publicity stunt by A&E to increase the Duck's ratings.  

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I may be wrong (frequently am) but I don't think it was a publicity stunt.  I think the big shots at the network made a huge blunder by misjudging a group of people.  And the fact that they had to eat crow does my heart good.

This video here sounds a lot like a testimony.  You may judge the "reality" of it.  Is it just a part of the reality show or is it real?  You be the judge if you want too . . . . I'll just take it for what it is and let God be the judge.

http://www.iamsecond.com/seconds/the-robertsons/

 

God bless,

Larry

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Exactly.  That is why when this show airs on A&E, more folks will tune in.  They worked Phil's congregation into a lather, who spread the message to others, who blew up the internet thrusting this show unto us that do not care.  More will tune in, regardless of what channel the show is on.  A&E has the contract, they will air it.  They already filmed all but one of next seasons episodes, so what good does this "suspension" do?  Nothing.  A&E will ultimately sell more ads for this program.

 

There are marketers who are masters at manipulating the public.  They sure pulled the right strings this time which led to all of this idiocy. 

 

 

 

It is all a publicity stunt by A&E to increase the Duck's ratings.  

Before A&E suspended Phil, the ratings for that network were very high.  When a show like Duck Dynasty increases the network's ratings to 12 million viewers worldwide, there is no need for publicity "stunts"!  That is about the silliest statement I have seen posted on the internet since this whole brouhaha began.  This is no publicity stunt. 

A&E will "sell more ads"?   That's also nonsense.  So far, the "ads" we've seen flying around the internet are anti-A&E and pro Phil Robertson.  Happy Christian is correct....A&E had bit off more than they can chew this time....and all to placate the "sodomite mafia"!

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Before A&E suspended Phil, the ratings for that network were very high.  When a show like Duck Dynasty increases the network's ratings to 12 million viewers worldwide, there is no need for publicity "stunts"!  That is about the silliest statement I have seen posted on the internet since this whole brouhaha began.  This is no publicity stunt. 

A&E will "sell more ads"?   That's also nonsense.  So far, the "ads" we've seen flying around the internet are anti-A&E and pro Phil Robertson.  Happy Christian is correct....A&E had bit off more than they can chew this time....and all to placate the "sodomite mafia"!

 

I just looked.  The new season begins January 15.  Of course it is a publicity stunt.  They want more viewers and to sell more ads for a season beginning just weeks away.

 

Coincidence as to the timing of this "controversy?"  I think not. 

 

And they have all but one episode of the new season filmed, so what good to suspending this guy from filming?  None.  They will revoke the suspension in a few weeks, an no one is harmed, and they have probably gained 1 million more viewers.

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This brings up the point that if Duck Dynasty is the most "Christian" show on TV, just how much worse are all the other programs?

 

Most of the Duck Dynasty audience isn't Christians who just watch this show and rarely any other TV, but those who routinely watch TV and are also fans of many secular, and sometimes even shows that are openly anti-Christian.

 

I've checked out a few episodes, and watched bits of a few more, and while it's nice not to have to hear cussing, anti-Christian comments and such; and it's good to see a family that cares for one another and good to see them eat together and pray over their meal, it's still just a TV show.

 

In the meantime, Christians are also watching Walking Dead, Justified, Homeland, most of the crime dramas, many of the comedies, and also subscribe to the uncut movie channels.

 

What gets me with many, they refuse to watch a show that has bad language, sexual scenes, nudity, & ect.,.

 

But they set & enjoy & talk about how good TV shows & or movies are that portrays adultery but with no nudity or sexual scenes, wife or husband cheating on their spouse, getting divorce to marry what they call the love of their life so they can live happily ever after. Or shows that portrays man & woman shacking up, sleeping together before marriage.

 

Yes, they call the 1st i mentioned bad shows no one should watch, yet brag about how good the latter ones I mentioned are to watch.

 

And to think how many church women, even men, have been addicted to the soap operas since their beginning & they never portrayed nothing but sins against our 'Great God.'

 

I believe one thing that hurts Christian marriages more than anything they see on TV & in the movies, they read in romance novels & such, they seem to end with the stars having lived happily ever after after enjoying many sins, & they expect their marriage to be happily ever after, ever year, month, week, day, hour, minute, & to be nothing but happiness & if it doesn't go that way they start searching for someone they think will make them happily ever after. With many of them doing this 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or more times.

 

If we would all bury our self in God's Word instead of such things mentioned above I firmly believe Christians would be more Christ like than worldly like even today in modern America. Yet us Christians lets the world influence us way to much & we see the Bible though eyes of worldly prejudices.

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Hasn't Duck Dynasty been on about the length of time that such shows popularity & ratings will start dropping?

 

Perhaps kind of blue in correct. I don't know myself, but I do know they will almost do anything for ratings, for tha means money, & of course they're greedy for money.

 

Free speech! Well, even if it is for real A&E has every right under the sun do do as they please on this matter. If they feel this violates what they think & believe they have every right to kill this show & not air it one more time. Of course I suppose much of that depends on the contract, but I feel sure A&E has plenty of good lawyers that goes over every word in every contract & when they make such a move they consult these lawyers.

 

And of course Phil had every right under the sun to make the comment he did.

 

And last of all God does tell us in His Word when we stand for Him tribulations & consequences will follow, & life will not be a walk though a thornless rose garden.

 

To many of us Christians believes our life walking with Jesus will be a wonderful painless walk though at thornless rose garden with no suffering or sacrifices for our Savior.

 

Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

1Pe 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye:

 

Many Christians seems to hate these verses & or act as if they are not included within the pages of  the Holy Bible.

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I just looked.  The new season begins January 15.  Of course it is a publicity stunt.  They want more viewers and to sell more ads for a season beginning just weeks away.

 

Coincidence as to the timing of this "controversy?"  I think not. 

 

And they have all but one episode of the new season filmed, so what good to suspending this guy from filming?  None.  They will revoke the suspension in a few weeks, an no one is harmed, and they have probably gained 1 million more viewers.

 

Yep.  

 

They're playing on the head-butting between him and the network.  Makes for good drama and curious people who might tune in.

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Governor Jindal, Governor Fallin and former governor Palin have all weighed in on the side of Phil.

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Did anyone happen to hear Bill O'Reilly's unbiblical, prideful rant on this?

 

I was checking the weather and news before going to bed and set the TV on Fox News while I got things ready. When I was ready for bed a replay of Bill's show was on and he was just starting to talk about the matter. He made a couple good points but then, even after quoting the Scripture Phil had cited, Bill went on to tell us that he knows the meaning of Scripture better than we do and he knows Jesus better than we do.

 

Bill declared that it's wrong for anyone to say that some people are damned and heading for hell and quoting Scripture to show that is wrong. According to Bill we are all sinners (he at least got that right!) but in his view that means we are all could possibly be heading for hell or we could all be going to heaven after God makes up His mind on the matter.

 

In all his "wisdom" Bill declares that it's impossible for anyone to know someone is heading for hell. This, of course, is unscriptural as the Bible is clear that all are condemned to hell unless they are biblically born again in Christ. Bill also said it's wrong for anyone claiming to follow Christ to pick out any particular sin and tell those involved in such they are wrong, in sin or going to hell or need to change.

 

After all this unbiblical rant this boastful, lost Catholic sinner (which this is in accord with Scripture regardless of Bill's 'enlightened' views) pronounced that nobody has done more to promote the cause of Christ and biblical values than himself! Wow!

 

Not that he would listen, but as I was hearing all this I was thinking of all the Scripture I could take him to which irrefutably disproves what he was saying and is in accord with what Phil had stated.

 

Almost forgot, he also said that Jesus never condemned sin, never talked bad about sinners, but went around having mercy on everyone. He said that since Jesus didn't condemn the woman caught in adultery that proved his point. Conveniently left out was Jesus telling the woman to "go and sin no more", and what that means.

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Did anyone happen to hear Bill O'Reilly's unbiblical, prideful rant on this?

 

I was checking the weather and news before going to bed and set the TV on Fox News while I got things ready. When I was ready for bed a replay of Bill's show was on and he was just starting to talk about the matter. He made a couple good points but then, even after quoting the Scripture Phil had cited, Bill went on to tell us that he knows the meaning of Scripture better than we do and he knows Jesus better than we do.

 

Bill declared that it's wrong for anyone to say that some people are damned and heading for hell and quoting Scripture to show that is wrong. According to Bill we are all sinners (he at least got that right!) but in his view that means we are all could possibly be heading for hell or we could all be going to heaven after God makes up His mind on the matter.

 

In all his "wisdom" Bill declares that it's impossible for anyone to know someone is heading for hell. This, of course, is unscriptural as the Bible is clear that all are condemned to hell unless they are biblically born again in Christ. Bill also said it's wrong for anyone claiming to follow Christ to pick out any particular sin and tell those involved in such they are wrong, in sin or going to hell or need to change.

 

After all this unbiblical rant this boastful, lost Catholic sinner (which this is in accord with Scripture regardless of Bill's 'enlightened' views) pronounced that nobody has done more to promote the cause of Christ and biblical values than himself! Wow!

 

Not that he would listen, but as I was hearing all this I was thinking of all the Scripture I could take him to which irrefutably disproves what he was saying and is in accord with what Phil had stated.

 

Almost forgot, he also said that Jesus never condemned sin, never talked bad about sinners, but went around having mercy on everyone. He said that since Jesus didn't condemn the woman caught in adultery that proved his point. Conveniently left out was Jesus telling the woman to "go and sin no more", and what that means.

My husband likes to watch Bill O'Reilly.  WOW, is right, John!  His comment is prideful and only states, O'Reilly is in need of the Saviour of the Universe, Jesus Christ.  His comments aren't really from the RCC, either.  They are all over the map.  It shows a mesh of false doctrines.  Although, under Pope Francis, the RCC is "a mess of false doctrines."  The Emergent Church is on it's way.

Off Topic:  Has anyone read O'Reilly's book, "Killing Jesus?"  

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Bill seems to think of himself as above all others, including the teachings of his own church, since he views himself as so wise and knowing. The Catholic Jesus isn't the "love everybody, accept almost everyone into heaven" Jesus which Bill proclaims either. According to Catholic teaching, one of the reasons they pray to Mary is because Jesus is so angry He wants to wipe us all out so we need to pray to Mary to keep Him calm. Both Bill and the RCC are wrong.

 

Yes, the new pope is a mess and yet millions of Christians are saying how wonderful he is. Yet this same pope has said the church stands on its teachings regarding homosexuality, but then says he won't judge, condemn or say anything negative about homosexuals. A very mixed message and one that opens the door for the RCC to eventually grant acceptance and approval of open homosexuality.

 

I've not read the book. I have read some excerpts and heard Bill talking about the book and he presents an unbiblical Jesus. Bill even took to task a Christian who pointed out straight from the Bible what is said regarding Jesus and Bill said that part is myth and his own understanding of Jesus is better than those who think the whole Bible is true.

 

I watched Bill some years ago, before his head got so big, but these days the only time I see any of him is if he happens to be on when I flip through the channels or check to see if there is any "breaking news".

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Bill seems to think of himself as above all others, including the teachings of his own church, since he views himself as so wise and knowing. The Catholic Jesus isn't the "love everybody, accept almost everyone into heaven" Jesus which Bill proclaims either. According to Catholic teaching, one of the reasons they pray to Mary is because Jesus is so angry He wants to wipe us all out so we need to pray to Mary to keep Him calm. Both Bill and the RCC are wrong.

 

Yes, the new pope is a mess and yet millions of Christians are saying how wonderful he is. Yet this same pope has said the church stands on its teachings regarding homosexuality, but then says he won't judge, condemn or say anything negative about homosexuals. A very mixed message and one that opens the door for the RCC to eventually grant acceptance and approval of open homosexuality.

 

I've not read the book. I have read some excerpts and heard Bill talking about the book and he presents an unbiblical Jesus. Bill even took to task a Christian who pointed out straight from the Bible what is said regarding Jesus and Bill said that part is myth and his own understanding of Jesus is better than those who think the whole Bible is true.

 

I watched Bill some years ago, before his head got so big, but these days the only time I see any of him is if he happens to be on when I flip through the channels or check to see if there is any "breaking news".

 

O'Reilly's pride is what keeps me from watching his show, John.  I agree with you about Mary.  Mary is so loving, and the RCC places their trust in her, above Jesus, b/c she is more forgiving than Jesus.

Agreed about the new pope.  However, most of  those older Catholics, born in Vatican I, are unhappy with Francis.  Yet, they will keep quiet for fear of bringing shame to the "Mother Church."  Sadly, the RCC is open to anything.  Even Atheists get a ticket into Heaven, under this pope.  :puzzled3:   Not to mention he embraced Islam.  I believe he did that b/c he knows full well that it was the Vatican that created Islam.

That's what I thought about his book.  It is a dangerous read.

Agreed about O'Reilly, too.  My hubby loves to see him take down liberals.  :nuts:

       

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