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#21 JerryNumbers

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:12 AM

That's a tough question to answer. I'm amazed at the number of professing Christians that thinks its A-OK to drink alcohol, & to be in the alcohol selling business.

 

I just turned 67 years of age, & up until the last 5 to 10 years most of the Christian I had contact with would not touch the stuff. Yet today is seems that over half of Christians will defend the use of alcohol.

 

A few months back that topic was written about on a Southern Baptist blog, there were probably way more than 50 comments, & I feel half of the comments was in support of the use of alcohol. Anyone saying it was a sin got rebuked quite harshly.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:46 AM

I've seen the same thing Jerry. Even among Christians and those from churches that once stood strong against alcohol there is a growing number who think it's okay to "drink in moderation" and they openly drink alcohol.

 

Here we now even have some Baptists who years ago wouldn't have even thought of setting foot in a bar but today they will. From what I've seen and heard, most of these began going into certain bar and grill type places for the good food. Then somewhere along the line they decided there was nothing wrong with drinking alcohol while there for their good food.

 

This is the main danger of Christians trying to live as close to the world and sin as they can. If they do so long enough eventually some of that will get on them and before long they have compromised their convictions so they can partake in sin and "enjoy" the world while offering unbiblical justifications for their actions.

 

The Lord calls us to avoid sin, not get as close to it as possible, not to toy with it.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:47 AM

While I have never watched this show, I do believe that if I watched it I would be supporting the use of drinking alcohol.  And, as Ukelelemike said, they need haircuts!  I don't know what all the fuss is about with born again Christians and this show.  Sure, he is professing Jesus Christ as his Saviour, but he is not following correct Bible doctrine, anyway.  I applaud him for saying that sodomy is not normal, however, he could have expanded on that more.  Why it is not normal and what God says about homosexuality?  Anyway, I don't believe in the teaching of coC and would not watch the show based on that and the wine selling.  They also look like they need baths.  :biggrin:  



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:59 AM

This brings up the point that if Duck Dynasty is the most "Christian" show on TV, just how much worse are all the other programs?

 

Most of the Duck Dynasty audience isn't Christians who just watch this show and rarely any other TV, but those who routinely watch TV and are also fans of many secular, and sometimes even shows that are openly anti-Christian.

 

I've checked out a few episodes, and watched bits of a few more, and while it's nice not to have to hear cussing, anti-Christian comments and such; and it's good to see a family that cares for one another and good to see them eat together and pray over their meal, it's still just a TV show.

 

In the meantime, Christians are also watching Walking Dead, Justified, Homeland, most of the crime dramas, many of the comedies, and also subscribe to the uncut movie channels.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:45 AM

This brings up the point that if Duck Dynasty is the most "Christian" show on TV, just how much worse are all the other programs?

 

Most of the Duck Dynasty audience isn't Christians who just watch this show and rarely any other TV, but those who routinely watch TV and are also fans of many secular, and sometimes even shows that are openly anti-Christian.

 

I've checked out a few episodes, and watched bits of a few more, and while it's nice not to have to hear cussing, anti-Christian comments and such; and it's good to see a family that cares for one another and good to see them eat together and pray over their meal, it's still just a TV show.

 

In the meantime, Christians are also watching Walking Dead, Justified, Homeland, most of the crime dramas, many of the comedies, and also subscribe to the uncut movie channels.

I thought about that, John.  Well, if the majority of their fans are not Christians, then I suppose they are getting exposed to the words, Jesus Christ.  I gather they have supported the shows views on sodomy, as well.  That is good, too.

I agree.  I love shows on family.  That is why I love "Little House on the Prairie" and "The Waltons."  I like shows on the "Hallmark" station, as well.

So true about Christians.  I am amazed at the shows they are watching.  Many born again Christians are watching shows based on the occult, as well.  Yikes!  My mother in law says, "Never be surprised by the sins of the unsaved."  I say, "Never be surprsed by the sins of the saved."  Aye Carumba!    



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:51 AM

I don't remember the name of the show, I think it came out a year or two or so ago, but it's a cop show based upon a family and I've heard Christians talk about how good and Christian the show is. I found the show last year or the year before and I couldn't even watch one full episode. The "Christian" aspects of the show are Catholic and while the families may be there for one another, they are not living in accord with Scripture and the show doesn't have a Christian feel to it at all.

 

Considering so many Christians today think the RCC and Mormons are just different denominations within Christianity, I suppose such shouldn't surprise me.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:59 AM

I don't remember the name of the show, I think it came out a year or two or so ago, but it's a cop show based upon a family and I've heard Christians talk about how good and Christian the show is. I found the show last year or the year before and I couldn't even watch one full episode. The "Christian" aspects of the show are Catholic and while the families may be there for one another, they are not living in accord with Scripture and the show doesn't have a Christian feel to it at all.

 

Considering so many Christians today think the RCC and Mormons are just different denominations within Christianity, I suppose such shouldn't surprise me.

Are you talking about the show, "Blue Bloods?"



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:05 AM

(still can't use the Quote)

 

Maybe, I'm not sure but it does seem like the show may have had the word blue in it.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:20 AM

"Blue Bloods" is a show about a NYC family of police officers.  Tom Selleck is the lead cast member.  I have watched it, b/c it reminds me of my inner city school teaching days.  However, the episodes are becoming quite liberal.  My hubby doesn't watch it.  I am done with the show, too.  I only DRV'd a few episodes, and that is enough for me. 



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:32 AM

The Robertsons are not of our stripe of believer, but one thing that can be said is that they are not ashamed to say what they believe.  Way too many doctrinally correct Christians sit back and say nothing because that's not what we're (supposedly) supposed to do.

 

I don't feel in the least bit sorry for the Robertsons. They aren't hurt by this at all.  It's not even an issue of them being hurt. It's an issue of free speech and tolerance.  Christians have the same guarantee under the Constitution to speak their beliefs...but in this PC time in which we live, Christians are the only group of which "tolerance" is demanded.  Christianity is not to be tolerated in any way, shape, or form....even if those Christians have long hair, sloppy beards, and make wine (don't get me wrong - I don't agree in any with with their hair or the wine. I think that further weakens Christianity because it makes those kinds of things acceptable to people).  

 

I don't believe this is a publicity stunt because the interview was done by GQ (I have to laugh at the thought of the "gentlemen" who read that magazine even being interested in the Robertsons. :icon_smile: ).  It is quite feasible, though, that A&E is trying to use this to get more publicity.  However, many of their advertisers are coming down on the side of the Roberstons, so if it's a publicity stunt, it is likely, as Seth said, to backfire.  I realize that Beck is a Mormon, and so not a Christian, but his offer to them was based on the fact that Phil's right to free speech is being stifled, which is commendable of him, unscriptural beliefs or not.

 

The thing that too many good Christians don't realize is that it is our freedom of speech that is on the line also.  Yes, I know it is inevitable that we will lose the freedom we have now to witness for Christ.  But we oughtn't sit back and just let it happen, KWIM? As I said, I don't believe they are even close to being doctrinally correct.  But kudos to him for standing by what scripture says and not being afraid to let the world know that bestiality, homosexuality, and fornication is sin and sinners are headed to Hell.  And this isn't a new stance with him.  He is on the record as saying the same thing in 2010.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:49 AM

This is more than a "free speech" violation. It is also a matter of discrimination.

http://www.libertyne...phil-robertson/

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:51 AM

This is more than a "free speech" violation. It is also a matter of discrimination.

http://www.libertyne...phil-robertson/

True.  Good point.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:58 AM

I have never heard of these guys until this week.  But this is one gigantic publicity stunt.  They all know exactly what they are doing.  Drumming up ratings, to sell more ads.  Plain and simple.  And it is working.  Me, one who does not even have cable, cannot escape the "controversy" and has thrust this scruffy looking man upon me when I have no desire to watch his show.

 

There is no violation of free speech.  The bill of rights protects us from government action.  The government cannot censor our message.  Private citizens and companies can do whatever they want to do.  A&E is making a business decision.  Allegedly they are suspending this guy for what he said.  If that is true, that is fine.  It is their business, their decision.  They can craft whatever message they want for their audience.

 

There is no persecution going on.  Ridiculous.  Move to the middle east or other places where Christians are thrown in jail or killed for their faith and tell me that this is persecution.  Please.  Christians in the US are not persecuted.  Being made fun of or people disagreeing with you is not persecution.  Being thrown in jail, assaulted, beaten, stoned, killed, etc. is.  

 

In reality, I think the suspension is not real.  They drummed up controversy, "suspended" him when it really doesn't matter, and will hire him back when this blows over in a week or two.  Their ratings for this show will be higher. They will all make more money because of it.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 11:27 AM

Why would A&E agree to such a publicity stunt, knowing that their ratings would drop considerably?

No, they themselves said they are strong supporters of the LGBT community.

Phil was put off the show for voicing his religious beliefs.

Meanwhile, a sodomite couple on Storage Wars in New York, also on A&E, makes a statement that it is more logical for man to lie with man than women. Using very descriptive language. Yet, no reprimand from the network.

Sorry, but this is far from a publicity stunt.

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ, 20 December 2013 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 11:40 AM

Is he a good Christian?  Is he right in every thing he says?  I'll leave that up to the experts. 

 

http://www.lifeway.c...ppy-Happy-Happy

 

God,bless,

Larry



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:07 PM

Why would A&E agree to such a publicity stunt, knowing that their ratings would drop considerably?

No, they themselves said they are strong supporters of the LGBT community.

Phil was put off the show for voicing his religious beliefs.

Meanwhile, a sodomite couple on Storage Wars in New York, also on A&E, makes a statement that it is more logical for man to lie with man than women. Using very descriptive language. Yet, no reprimand from the network.

Sorry, but this is far from a publicity stunt.

 

They will continue to air this show.  They have just solidified and gathered many people to start watching.  Any attention is good to gain viewers.  It is all a very well orchestrated stunt.  

 

The station distances themselves from the inflammatory comments, and when it all dies down, they hire him back.  They will air the show, and millions will feel like they are "supporting Phil" by watching his show and buying his products.  They don't care what station it is on.  They care about "supporting" this guy who was "persecuted" or his faith.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

The thing is, folks are supporting Phil, not A&E and his supporters are being specific in supporting that which benefits Phil, not A&E. A&E is taking a publicity hit. The Robertson's are already beyond set for life and have a fan base larger than many actual Hollywood celebrities.

 

At this stage of the game, with the DD brand riding the crest of the wave already, there is nothing to be gained by the drama going on right now.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:33 PM

The thing is, folks are supporting Phil, not A&E and his supporters are being specific in supporting that which benefits Phil, not A&E.

 

Exactly.  That is why when this show airs on A&E, more folks will tune in.  They worked Phil's congregation into a lather, who spread the message to others, who blew up the internet thrusting this show unto us that do not care.  More will tune in, regardless of what channel the show is on.  A&E has the contract, they will air it.  They already filmed all but one of next seasons episodes, so what good does this "suspension" do?  Nothing.  A&E will ultimately sell more ads for this program.

 

There are marketers who are masters at manipulating the public.  They sure pulled the right strings this time which led to all of this idiocy. 

 

 

 

It is all a publicity stunt by A&E to increase the Duck's ratings.  



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:47 PM

I may be wrong (frequently am) but I don't think it was a publicity stunt.  I think the big shots at the network made a huge blunder by misjudging a group of people.  And the fact that they had to eat crow does my heart good.

This video here sounds a lot like a testimony.  You may judge the "reality" of it.  Is it just a part of the reality show or is it real?  You be the judge if you want too . . . . I'll just take it for what it is and let God be the judge.

http://www.iamsecond...the-robertsons/

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:14 PM

Exactly.  That is why when this show airs on A&E, more folks will tune in.  They worked Phil's congregation into a lather, who spread the message to others, who blew up the internet thrusting this show unto us that do not care.  More will tune in, regardless of what channel the show is on.  A&E has the contract, they will air it.  They already filmed all but one of next seasons episodes, so what good does this "suspension" do?  Nothing.  A&E will ultimately sell more ads for this program.

 

There are marketers who are masters at manipulating the public.  They sure pulled the right strings this time which led to all of this idiocy. 

 

 

 

It is all a publicity stunt by A&E to increase the Duck's ratings.  

Before A&E suspended Phil, the ratings for that network were very high.  When a show like Duck Dynasty increases the network's ratings to 12 million viewers worldwide, there is no need for publicity "stunts"!  That is about the silliest statement I have seen posted on the internet since this whole brouhaha began.  This is no publicity stunt. 

A&E will "sell more ads"?   That's also nonsense.  So far, the "ads" we've seen flying around the internet are anti-A&E and pro Phil Robertson.  Happy Christian is correct....A&E had bit off more than they can chew this time....and all to placate the "sodomite mafia"!






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