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#21 candlelight

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:56 AM

My first thought was, "Why didn't the mother have an Epi-pen...especially at a Chinese Restaurant?"

 

I don't know if all Chinese restaurants are the same, but where we live, they put peanuts in a lot of different dishes that they serve.  My wife and I love Chinese food, but we don't go with our children for fear of cross-contamination.

 

Sadly, many people have no idea how serious this is...though it is becoming VERY prevalent.  We can't stop at just any fast-food restaurant. We have to find out what kind of oil they use to cook their food in first. Our daughter is now 15, so she's very aware of what she can and can't eat...AND...not to try things that could possibly have nuts in them. She couldn't go to spend the night with friends, because of her allergies. She couldn't go to birthday parties. She couldn't go...etc., for fear that she would accidentally eat something she shouldn't. 

 

Once, we finally allowed her to spend the night with a friend after explaining to the mother how bad her allergies were. The mother assured us that they would take any and all precautions. We had to go pick her up that night, because she couldn't breath and was breaking out in hives. The family had an indoor cat, and the mother said that they kept the cat out of the rooms our daughter was in. Folks don't understand that animals leave hair and dander EVERYWHERE. We had explained this to the mother, but she apparently didn't get it...and she's a nurse!

 

Now, we're going through this with our son (who's 3 years old).  When he went into anaphylactic shock, it was from taking a bite of a peanut butter cookie.  This was at a church supper.  It's a small church, and everyone there saw what happened with him (we didn't know he had allergies before this happened). Anyway, everyone at church knew that it was from the peanut butter cookie, so you'd think that they would know not to make dishes with peanuts after that. At the next church supper...peanuts, peanut butter cookies, brownies with peanuts, ... PEANUTS EVERYWHERE! We had to leave.

 

At the next church supper...PEANUTS again.

 

People just don't get it unless a member of their family suffers from this. People get offended if you try to explain things like...I'm sorry, but we can't come over because you have indoor animals...you'd have to completely vacuum your house, top to bottom, with a vacuum that has a HEPA filter...and you need to put your animal(s) outside while you do it...and you can't let the animals back in your house until after we leave...

 

...or...

 

I'm sorry, but your child can't spend the night at our house unless you've laundered your child's clothes immediately before they come over...and made sure they've had a shower immediately before they come over...and not allowed them to handle their pets after taking a shower and putting on the freshly laundered clothes; otherwise, they could accidentally bring their pet's hair and dander into our home and cause a severe allergic reaction from our child...

 

...or...

 

I'm sorry, but our child can't come to your child's birthday party.  The cake could contain traces of nuts...or the cookies could contain traces of nuts...

 

This may seem extreme, and it is.  Like I said, unless you've personally had a family member with severe allergies, you can't (or don't) truly understand.  We've been called all kinds of things...over-protective, unfriendly, stuck-up, etc...

 

Yes, we're over-protective...our children could die if we're not!

 

I wrote all of this to hopefully help people become more aware and understanding of this problem...I'm not complaining...just trying to show folks how serious this truly is.

I am so sorry to hear this, No Nicolaitions.  This must be very difficult for you, your wife and children.  When I used to teach school, I had a list of allergies the children had, posted on my wall, behind my desk.  The cooks and women who worked in the lunchroom were aware of these allergies, as well.  Thankfully, during my 16 years as a teacher, I never had a problem.

Hopefully, some kind of natural remedy is made available soon for your children.  It always amazes me how fast children have to grow up, when they have some type of illness, such as an allergy to food.  I will keep your kids in my prayers.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 08:22 AM

I am so sorry to hear this, No Nicolaitions.  This must be very difficult for you, your wife and children.  When I used to teach school, I had a list of allergies the children had, posted on my wall, behind my desk.  The cooks and women who worked in the lunchroom were aware of these allergies, as well.  Thankfully, during my 16 years as a teacher, I never had a problem.

Hopefully, some kind of natural remedy is made available soon for your children.  It always amazes me how fast children have to grow up, when they have some type of illness, such as an allergy to food.  I will keep your kids in my prayers.

 

Thank you candlelight. Though difficult, my wife and I have accepted it as a part of our lives...the Lord has allowed this to happen.

 

It's second-nature now for us to just automatically look at the ingredients of ALL items that we buy and to look for allergy warnings on the labels. Of course now, we pretty much know what items to buy, but we still look in case something may have changed.

 

The real (and sad) difficulty is that our children can't experience their childhood with the same carefree attitude, joy, and innocence that most children get to enjoy.  You're right, it does cause a child to grow up faster.  Our children have allergies other than nuts and animal dander...those were just the two I spoke of...I didn't want to write a 25,000 word thesis on all of their allergies!  :nuts:

 

Also, thank you for the effort that you put forth to protect the children while you were a teacher. That did my heart good.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 08:33 AM

Thank you candlelight. Though difficult, my wife and I have accepted it as a part of our lives...the Lord has allowed this to happen.

 

It's second-nature now for us to just automatically look at the ingredients of ALL items that we buy and to look for allergy warnings on the labels. Of course now, we pretty much know what items to buy, but we still look in case something may have changed.

 

The real (and sad) difficulty is that our children can't experience their childhood with the same carefree attitude, joy, and innocence that most children get to enjoy.  You're right, it does cause a child to grow up faster.  Our children have allergies other than nuts and animal dander...those were just the two I spoke of...I didn't want to write a 25,000 word thesis on all of their allergies!  :nuts:

 

Also, thank you for the effort that you put forth to protect the children while you were a teacher. That did my heart good.

You're welcome, NN.  Although, I left teaching many years ago, children still hold a soft spot in my heart.  My husband is almost 6 years younger than I am, and is the oldest of 9.  Although, we weren't blessed to have children together, my (our) 23 year old son, and his (our) nieces and nephews are so special to us.  I (we) also have 7 neices and nephews by my 2 brothers and 1 sister.  They are older now.    

Yes, the Lord did allow it to happen, and I am sure you are used to it by now.

 

It is very sad that your children can't experience childhood, without having all these allergies.  My son, although not a child anymore, has a few allergies.  He is highly allergic to cat dander, molds, and dust mites.  I believe these are the usual allergies for children, as well as adults.

A 25,000 word thesis?  ;)  I feel so badly for all of you.

Teaching was my life for a long time.  I enjoyed teaching children and they brought much joy to my life, as well.  I would do anything to protect the life of a child.  They are God's gift to mankind.    


Edited by candlelight, 28 December 2013 - 08:34 AM.


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 06:54 PM

How sad.  Had the mother been carrying a gun, her daughter would likely be alive today.

 

That is a very silly post.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 07:34 PM

Indeed, much better if the mother had been carrying an epipen, not a gun.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 07:36 PM

It sounds like when the refusal was given, the pharmacist thought they could comfortably make it to the hospital in time. What I'd like to know is, what happened after the girl collapsed? Was the pharmacist asked again? Did they still say no? Very sad story.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 09:34 PM

So, anyone else ever wonder what's causing these things? 20 years ago, few had ever even heard of a peanut allergy-now you can't eat a peanut without someone nearby going into shock from the proximity. Something rotten is afoot.

 

I suspect that its something in what mothers are eating while pregnant. That's not to say its their fault, per se, but something people eat or put into their system is causing babies to be born with all kinds of weird things. As well, vaccines cause problems in children, and babies being fed soy-based formulas. Its all the artificial garbage, artificial sweeteners, stuff with any bit of nutrition refined out of them. What moms put in them during pregnancy will effect their children. This isn't happening in a vacuum.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:36 PM

A pharmacist cannot give a prescription drug without a prescription.  In such a case as this,  the child has had a prescription and should have a repeat prescription form the pharmacist could call the Dr and get him to email a prescription.  My wife has an arrangement with the pharmacist in which she phones them and tells them which items she needs and they collect the prescription from the doctor and will deliver it to our home if required.  As she is a regular, when she has left it too late, they will issue part of the order on account, and the rest when they get the prescription.  



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:39 PM

If he had given her the shot, he would be a hero in his nation. That family may have moved all their refills to his store and he would made money in the long run.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:28 PM

From the article:

"The family rushed round the corner to the Hamilton Long chemist shop but a male worker told Caroline they couldn’t give her an EpiPen shot"

The pharmacy employee told the girl, which means to me that he saw the girl was suffering from a reaction and having trouble breathing.  He should have given the mother the Epipen.  This is the situation that happens much to often in our uncaring society.  Nobody wants to get involved . . . . nobody wants to stick their neck out. . . . not many good samaritans around. . . . not many heroes.

 

God bless,

Larry

They should have gone to the hospital , of course Ireland, they are probably a socialized medicine country and would have to wait too long anyway.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:00 PM

On new year's eve I slipped in  the garden and fell damaging my ribs. By yesterday evening I was in so much pain I called the out of hours doctor.  She said as it was Saturday evening they were very busy, I would have to wait for an appointment till about 11.30pm and travel to Canterbury, or I could wait for a doctor to visit me and that would be in 4 to 6 hours, or she could write me a prescription and text it to the nearest pharmacy that would be open, six miles away. As I was not in any condition to drive, I opted fro a home visit, they said it would be 6 to 8 hours, 2.00am to 4.00am.  The doctor arrived and left by 11.30 apologising for being late as they had sent her to the wrong town.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:11 PM

I was hit by a car in 94, breaking two ribs and a collarbone.  I would not let the paramedics at the scene take me to the hospital, as at the time they were there, I felt fine.  I did not realize I had the internal injuries.

Needless to say, three hours later, I was in excruciating pain and had my sister take me to the emergency room where I found ut how bad it was.

I am sure your pain is as bad as mine was.  I've been there.  Praying for a quick healing for you.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 03:59 PM

On new year's eve I slipped in the garden and fell damaging my ribs. By yesterday evening I was in so much pain I called the out of hours doctor. She said as it was Saturday evening they were very busy, I would have to wait for an appointment till about 11.30pm and travel to Canterbury, or I could wait for a doctor to visit me and that would be in 4 to 6 hours, or she could write me a prescription and text it to the nearest pharmacy that would be open, six miles away. As I was not in any condition to drive, I opted fro a home visit, they said it would be 6 to 8 hours, 2.00am to 4.00am. The doctor arrived and left by 11.30 apologising for being late as they had sent her to the wrong town.


You can get home visits?! Wow...

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 04:06 PM

Home visits are a rarity in most civilized countries.

Now, don't take that statement to mean that I was saying Invicta's country is not civilized.  I did qualify my statement with the word "most."



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 07:42 PM

I liked the "civilization" we had when I was younger as opposed to now. We had a local doctor who made house calls, and who also saw patients in his home after hours. Our little town even had our own hospital.

 

The government trying to further "civilize" us made it impossible to keep a hospital here and when our local doctor died there were no others who wanted to come to a small rural town.

 

We do have a clinic, ran by a nurse practitioner, who is the granddaughter of the doctor who used to serve here.

 

Of course, before "civilization" was forced upon us, we also had several gas stations, cafe's, local businesses, etc.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:20 PM

You can get home visits?! Wow...

 

When we were young, we did not have appointments, you just went to the Dr and waited your turn. Now we have appointments, and you have to ring at 8.00 and join a telephone queue, to be sure of getting an appointment and then you don't always manage it.  They only have a limited number or appointments that you can book in advance.  If it is urgent, you can bypass the system by dialing, I think 9, or if not so urgent you can ask for a telephone appointment when the Dr rings you back when he has a few minutes.


Edited by Invicta, 07 January 2014 - 03:10 PM.


#37 Invicta

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:08 AM

You can get home visits?! Wow...

 

The following is from the information sheet from our surgery, dated Nov 2009.   

 

Appointments

Consultations with a doctor are by appointment. Our appointment
system leaves a large number of appointments free to be booked on
the day a patient calls. However, we have tried to adapt our appointment

system to meet all our patients needs. Therefore, there are
some appo
intments that can be booked up to two weeks in advance.
Hopefully this new system will help with the delay in trying to book an
appointment at 8.00am
. For all appointments please telephone 0844
477 2566 and select option 1. Please ask at reception for a copy of
surgery times.

 

 

MISSED APPOINTMENTS

 

If you miss your appointment, someone else will not be able to see a
doctor or nurse. Please ring in and cancel if you are unable to keep
your appointment for any reason
.

 

TELEPHONE ADVICE

 

Sometimes you may prefer to consult your doctor or nurse
by telephone. To arrange a telephone consultation, 'phone
for an appointment in the usual way and ask to speak to
the doctor or nurse on the telephone
. You will be asked
for a telephone number for the doctor or nurse to contact you/

for your consultation.

 

HOME VISITS

 

can be offered for those whose medical condition is so severe that
they cannot be expected to attend surgery or where mobility is
severely reduced. In all other circumstances we would encourage you

to attend the surgery. If you think a home visit may be required

please contact the surgery before 10.30 am.



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:41 PM

Hope you're doing better, invicta.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 05:06 PM

Hope you're doing better, invicta.

 

Thanks for asking, LuAnne.

 

Actually I am not so good today.  I didn't get much sleep last night, but I did make our morning service, but not the evening.  



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 05:43 PM

Thanks for asking, LuAnne.

Actually I am not so good today. I didn't get much sleep last night, but I did make our morning service, but not the evening.


Sorry to hear that. Am praying for you.




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