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#21 Standing Firm In Christ

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:37 PM

I would rather hear a woman preach the truth than to hear a man lying behind the pulpit.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:37 PM

 

Also this forum is an "assembly" of believers, we gather here for like minded fellowship, and if a woman is teaching, as you are doing, it is in direct disobedience to the word of God.  But if you are a male then all is ok.

 

 

 

a Christian forum is an gathering of Christians discussing topics and we are gathered in the same virtual room called forum.  But teaching or sharing a teaching is what it is.

 

Just because there were no Internet at the time of Paul doesn't change that fact that this is an assembling place of believers.

 

And the fact that you may be a woman who has authority over men does not change the fact you are in disobedience as well.

 

If you truly believe this forum is the same as a church and women presenting biblical interpretation and holding positions of "authority" as moderators is "teaching or usurping authority over men" in a church setting, then you are obligated by Rom 16:17 to go somewhere else. There are many people here who have different understandings of various doctrines that you would consider "contrary to what you have learned." Therefore, you must avoid them by leaving this forum. I'm not trying tell you that you should leave or that you're not welcome here, I'm just taking your assertions to their logical conclusion. If you believe OnlineBaptist is the same as a church and believe false doctrine is being promoted, then you really have no choice but to either break fellowship from it or be in direct disobedience yourself.

 


Edited by TheSword, 31 January 2014 - 02:40 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:39 PM

First I did not discriminate on your age, race or local fellowship but as far an in the Body of Christ I can discriminate against your gender when it comes to sharing a teaching.

 

Second, concerning the verse you quoted, you will notice that her husband was also there and that they had pulled him aside privately and not openly in the assembly.

 

This is an open forum.

 

Have a good day Maam.

A church and forum are very different settings.  I don't think I have to explain to you the difference.  You can make a choice on a forum what you want to or not want to read or respond to. 



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:41 PM

First I did not discriminate on your age, race or local fellowship but as far an in the Body of Christ I can discriminate against your gender when it comes to sharing a teaching.

 

Second, concerning the verse you quoted, you will notice that her husband was also there and that they had pulled him aside privately and not openly in the assembly.

 

This is an open forum.

 

Have a good day Maam.

I suppose they took him aside so as not to disrupt the assembly.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:42 PM

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Note that the Apostle did not say they could not prophesy, only that they could not prophesy with their heads uncovered without dishonouring their head.

 

1Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.   But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.   For Adam was first formed, then Eve.   And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.   Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

My baptist background puts this in the assembly but truthfully there is not mention of an assembly here at all.

 

So I stand corrected on teaching in the assembly when in reality a woman is not to teach men period, on a forum or in a church.

 

Grace, they took him aside to "expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."  not in order to disrupt the assembly.


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 31 January 2014 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:45 PM

If the husband or her pastor gives the woman permission to speak, she is not usurping authority.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:47 PM

The Bible says a pastor is to be above reproach, yet Ruckman is an adulterer. And you defend his alleged authority to be shepherding the flock

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:48 PM

1Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.   But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.   For Adam was first formed, then Eve.   And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.   Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

My baptist background puts this in the assembly but truthfully there is not mention of an assembly here at all.

 

So I stand corrected on teaching in the assembly when in reality a woman is not to teach men period, on a forum or in a church.

 

Grace, they took him aside to "expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."  not in order to disrupt the assembly.

:ot:



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:49 PM

:ot:

You time proven excuse for everything. 

 

Good day Ms.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:50 PM

Notice in Timothy, Paul did not say, "God suffers not a woman to teach." Paul was speaking his personal convictions, not God's standard.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

The Bible says a pastor is to be above reproach, yet Ruckman is an adulterer. And you defend his alleged authority to be shepherding the flock

I have never defended Ruckman's authority to lead a church.

 

Please quote your source for this false accusation.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:52 PM

You time proven excuse for everything. 

 

Good day Ms.

Sorry.  It's forum rules and etiquette.  



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:53 PM

Notice in Timothy, Paul did not say, "God suffers not a woman to teach." Paul was speaking his personal convictions, not God's standard.

sir let us recognize that these are the Inspired words of God and not Paul's personal conviction.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:53 PM

This is why we have these rules.  It's starting to turn into an argument.  Please read OP and maybe we can remember why we need to fellowship?



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:55 PM

GS is not usurping authority on the forum. The Administrator gave her permission to post when he accepted her member request.

Though you or I may disagree with some of her doctrinal beliefs, she has just as much right to post on this forum as we do.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:56 PM

GS is not usurping authority on the forum. The Administrator gave her permission to post when he accepted her member request.

Though you or I may disagree with some of her doctrinal beliefs, she has just as much right to post on this forum as we do.

Her or him?  That is the question of the day.  LOL!  :-)



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:57 PM

GS is not usurping authority on the forum. The Administrator gave her permission to post when he accepted her member request.

Though you or I may disagree with some of her doctrinal beliefs, she has just as much right to post on this forum as we do.

She, her, great at least you knew she was a woman I did not.

 

and no amount of permission voids God's word.

 

I only wanted to know the gender so I could address the OP accordingly.  But once I realized it is a woman then I will not address it.

 

Now if everyone will stop so will I



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:58 PM

sir let us recognize that these are the Inspired words of God and not Paul's personal conviction.

so when satan told Jesus to jump off the mountain, it was really God's inspired words and not the words of Jesus' enemy.

Interesting.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:58 PM

a Christian forum is an gathering of Christians discussing topics and we are gathered in the same virtual room called forum.  But teaching or sharing a teaching is what it is.

 

Just because there were no Internet at the time of Paul doesn't change that fact that this is an assembling place of believers.

 

And the fact that you may be a woman who has authority over men does not change the fact you are in disobedience as well.

 

But my main reason for asking was to be able to reply accordingly

There is no spiritual authority connected to this forum. We are not a local church, members one of another; we have no spiritual leader that answers to God for leading us and to whom we should submit.  We do not practice the ordinances, or elect church officers. Therefore, this is not an ecclesia (called out gathering) of believers as would be required to meet the qualifications and rules of a church.  Therefore, it is not disobedient to Scripture for women to share, teach (frankly, since teaching is an authoritative position, there is no real teaching going on here), or moderate this forum.

AV, it is not appropriate for you to castigate other forum members as being ineligible to share on this forum. You are welcome to share your opinions and thoughts, and so are they. But if you want to stay, you will respect the moderators' position.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:59 PM

Though you or I may disagree with some of her doctrinal beliefs, she has just as much right to post on this forum as we do.

What doctrines?  We'll have to start a new thread on those.  LOL!  Just kidding.  We went through enough yesterday. 






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