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#41 AVBibleBeliever

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:59 PM

so when satan told Jesus to jump off the mountain, it was really God's inspired words and not the words of Jesus' enemy.

Interesting.

huh?  Scripture and verse for where Jesus was told to jump off a mountain?



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:00 PM

She, her, great at least you knew she was a woman I did not.

 

 

That has still not been confirmed by me.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:01 PM

That has still not been confirmed by me.

 

Now I'm getting curious!!  :lol:



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:03 PM

There is no spiritual authority connected to this forum. We are not a local church, members one of another; we have no spiritual leader that answers to God for leading us and to whom we should submit.  We do not practice the ordinances, or elect church officers. Therefore, this is not an ecclesia (called out gathering) of believers as would be required to meet the qualifications and rules of a church.  Therefore, it is not disobedient to Scripture for women to share, teach (frankly, since teaching is an authoritative position, there is no real teaching going on here), or moderate this forum.

AV, it is not appropriate for you to castigate other forum members as being ineligible to share on this forum. You are welcome to share your opinions and thoughts, and so are they. But if you want to stay, you will respect the moderators' position.

maybe not among men here on earth but there is of God. 

 

There was no personal castigation I wanted to address the OP according to whom I was speaking I do not know the person enough if I don't know their gender.  But I think it is answered already.


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 31 January 2014 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:05 PM

maybe not among men here on earth but there is of God. 

 

Tthere was no personal castigation I wanted to address the OP according to whom I was speaking I do not know the person enough if I don't know their gender.  But I think it is answered already.

If you would like to respond, you can do so according to the content of the post written and we can have a discussion, not a teaching.


Edited by GraceSaved, 31 January 2014 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:07 PM

If you would like to respond, you can do so according to the content of the post written.

I no longer wish too.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:15 PM

Luke 2:38 (KJV) 38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

Anna the Prophetess ministered daily in the Temple, and in the verse above proclaimed to all that sought redemption that the Lord had come.


No rebuke for her teaching. Why not? Because she had been given that authority to do so.

Paul's statement to Timothy was his own personal conviction.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:17 PM

huh?  Scripture and verse for where Jesus was told to jump off a mountain?

Matthew 4:5 (KJV) 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

Matthew 4:6 (KJV) 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:22 PM

Matthew 4:5 (KJV) 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

Matthew 4:6 (KJV) 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

a pinnacle of the temple is not a mountain, sir.

 

In the case of the above verse it is

1. A turret, or part of a building elevated above the main building.

 

It is not a mountain, a pinnacle of the temple and a mountain are not the same thing.  And you claimed that Satan told him to jump off the mountain and those words are not true to the text.

 

Is that part of inspired text?

 

to cast thyself down is, but to jump off a mountain it is not.


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 31 January 2014 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:25 PM

Do you know what the Temple Mount refers to? The Temple was on Mount Zion. He would have been casting Himself off the mountain in the act of casting Himself off the pinnacle of the Temple.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:38 PM

Do you know what the Temple Mount refers to? The Temple was on Mount Zion. He would have been casting Himself off the mountain in the act of casting Himself off the pinnacle of the Temple.

When an honestly mistaken man is confronted with the truth, he must cease being mistaken, or stop being honest.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:06 PM

So it depends whether that particular pinnacle overlooked the interior of the temple mount or the exterior. If it was the exterior, it totally counts as a mountain. Since we aren't told, there's not much to argue about.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:20 PM

So it depends whether that particular pinnacle overlooked the interior of the temple mount or the exterior. If it was the exterior, it totally counts as a mountain. Since we aren't told, there's not much to argue about.

So should man's ideas and supposed logic trump the word of God?

 

Is it not far easier to take the word of God as it stands?

 

Why is it so many today would rather make the Bible say what they want it to say, instead of taking it as it stands?

 

Is the Bible right or not?


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 31 January 2014 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:40 PM

When one obviously is an expert at quoting scripture and a loving Christian he should be able consider the difference between a pinnacle and a mountain of unimportance and consider the intent of the poster.  I had no problem telling what the intent was.  I also did not consider that the difference between a pinnacle and a mountain was important enough to question the posters character.  One might consider this whole thing as making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

God bless,

Larry


Edited by ThePilgrim, 31 January 2014 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:17 PM

So should man's ideas and supposed logic trump the word of God?

 

Is it not far easier to take the word of God as it stands?

 

Why is it so many today would rather make the Bible say what they want it to say, instead of taking it as it stands?

 

Is the Bible right or not?

 

The Bible's right, but it does not specify which particular pinnacle the devil took Christ too. If it was the pinnacle overlooking the court in front of temple - no mountain. If it was the pinnacle on the outer wall overlooking the Kidron Valley - well, anyone falling off it would pass not only the temple wall but also the cliffs before hitting bottom. You both could be right, and you both could be wrong. 


Edited by Salyan, 31 January 2014 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:25 PM

Whilst I think the whole thing here is a bit dumb, and the details are not important in this particular item, and the whole argument has become petty, the plain fact is that a mistake was made when it was referred to as a mountain - the mature thing to do would be to say "Oops, I made a mistake. I meant the temple. Sorry! But it still doesn't change the point."

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:31 PM

Modern Dictionaries define a pinnacle as being a turret. 

But many ancient dictionaries give an entirely different definition for the word.  For instance:

Bailey's 1726 Dictionary
PINNACLE [p:nacle, F. pinnacolo,
Ital. ot pinna, L.j the Battlement or
highest Top of a great Building or Spire ;
fguratively, Eminence or Height.

What was the highest pinnacle at the Temple?   Was it on the Temple itself?  Was it on the side of the mountain?  I believe it would have been where the most damage could have been done, hence the devil telling Jesus to throw Himself off.  That said, I believe it would have been on the side of the mountain.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:36 PM

Also, we have the etymology of the word "pinnacle"
 

pinnacle (n.) dictionary.gif c.1300, "mountain, peak, promontory," from Old French pinacle "top, gable" (13c.) and directly from Late Latin pinnaculum "peak, pinnacle, gable," diminutive of Latin pinna "peak, point," (see pin (n.1)). Figurative use is attested from c.1400.

The etymology reveals pinnacle to be speaking of a mountain.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:41 PM

And the Bible verses quite clearly says "pinnacle of the Temple".

It assigns directly the word pinnacle to the Temple itself.

But who cares - it was not about that....

Edited by DaveW, 31 January 2014 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:43 PM

Wow. This thread is supposed to be about Christian fellowship?  

 

Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it.  

 

 

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