Christians That Are Falling Easy Into This World Traps...

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The bad is good and the good is bad, these days. We that are now living, today Christians,are falling like wild ducks getting shot right out of the sky's. These Christians that have not been taught right by their pastors. If the World tells them it is OK, for them too use it, then It is alright to use or do so. You pastors better start preaching with a rod, or your children, not just your members, but your own flesh and blood, will pay for it at the End.

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Isaiah 5:20 (KJV) 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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This might depend upon just what we are talking about.

 

Are we talking about Christians speeding in their cars and making excuses why it's okay for them to do so or something else?

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This might depend upon just what we are talking about.

 

Are we talking about Christians speeding in their cars and making excuses why it's okay for them to do so or something else?

I would agree the statements of the OP are to general.  clarification would be nice.

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I think he's hoping we clarify by discussing points where we think Christians are falling to the world.

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I think he's hoping we clarify by discussing points where we think Christians are falling to the world.



Correct or brain washed water down preaching.Nice to the ears.
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Some preachers "preach to the choir" as it were. While their sermon may be correct, it's something all those he's preaching to already know and believe. They get lots of "amens" and the congregation goes home with an emotional good feeling. Yet they were not challenged, taught something more in-depth from the Word, convicted by the realization of some sin in their lives, etc.

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Correct or brain washed water down preaching.Nice to the ears.

 

Some preachers "preach to the choir" as it were. While their sermon may be correct, it's something all those he's preaching to already know and believe. They get lots of "amens" and the congregation goes home with an emotional good feeling. Yet they were not challenged, taught something more in-depth from the Word, convicted by the realization of some sin in their lives, etc.

Or just yell and scream with no Scriptural references, to, more or less fire up the "troops" and entertain the congregation. nobody learns or grows from it.no  exegesis of Scripture and nobody changes. The sad thing is that people go home from there thinking they heard from God. 

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Or just yell and scream with no Scriptural references, to, more or less fire up the "troops" and entertain the congregation. nobody learns or grows from it.no  exegesis of Scripture and nobody changes. The sad thing is that people go home from there thinking they heard from God. 

Or knowing they did not hear from God.

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Or just yell and scream with no Scriptural references, to, more or less fire up the "troops" and entertain the congregation. nobody learns or grows from it.no exegesis of Scripture and nobody changes. The sad thing is that people go home from there thinking they heard from God.




I go home thinking that I heard not from God, but from a man of God. Preach it.... :)

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Of course, there's a huge misunderstanding of what Christian liberty is, as well-and most don't realize that while we have many liberties, ("all things are lawful for me") yet we also have a responsibility to use godly discernment to know how and when to set boundaries on those liberties, ("But not all things are expedient/all things edify not"). Maybe if I take that drink or look at that naked girl, I won't go to hell, wont lose salvation, but will it be expedient in my Christian duties? Will it edify me or another, or work more to tear down?

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Just reading some of the threads in here will tell you the problem. Christians no longer want to separate but be friends with the world. Usually, they use a cover to take this course to like "getting the gospel out".  The only sin there is anymore is the sin of saying anything is sin.

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I go home thinking that I heard not from God, but from a man of God. Preach it.... :)

Oh I see, one of those Man-of -god types, gotchya'

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Just reading some of the threads in here will tell you the problem. Christians no longer want to separate but be friends with the world. Usually, they use a cover to take this course to like "getting the gospel out".  The only sin there is anymore is the sin of saying anything is sin.

Im starting to think you have no idea what Biblical separation means

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Of course, there's a huge misunderstanding of what Christian liberty is, as well-and most don't realize that while we have many liberties, ("all things are lawful for me") yet we also have a responsibility to use godly discernment to know how and when to set boundaries on those liberties, ("But not all things are expedient/all things edify not"). Maybe if I take that drink or look at that naked girl, I won't go to hell, wont lose salvation, but will it be expedient in my Christian duties? Will it edify me or another, or work more to tear down?

Christian liberty means we are freed with respect to such activity that is not forbidden in the Bible.

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Christian liberty means we are freed with respect to such activity that is not forbidden in the Bible.

But that's such a simplistic and incomplete way of looking at it, and why Christians have an 'anything goes" attitude about their walk. In fact, many of the verses about about Christian liberty specifically have to do with being liberated from the law and traditions of Judaism: 2Cor 3:17; Gal 2:4; Gal 5:1; Gal 5:13; James 2:12, et al.

 

But otherwise, as far as things not forbidden, again, even in those we are expected to use discernment to set limitations for ourselves, (not necessarily others) in when, or if, to use our liberty.

 

For instance, meth use if not forbidden in the Bible. So, do we have liberty to use it? Well, some might say yes, however, when we consider "Al things are lawful for me but I wil not be brought under the power of any", clearly, then, such things would be beyond the bounds of what we should do.

 

Of course, there are those who would say that meth use falls under the command not to do things to destroy the temple of God, our body, and I would agree, but then, we'd better be looking carefully at EVERYTHING we put into our temples if we will follow that line of thinking, for most of what people eat today is clearly damaging to the temple, what with GMO foods, refined carbs, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, boxed foods, soda pop, energy drinks, vccinations with thimerisol, fillings with mercury. A majority of the junk put into our bodies today is damaging to it, so if we will ust go gainst things like meth and heroin and such because of the damage, we'd best be prepared to make big changes in our ;liberties; in these areas, as well.

 

As I said before, our liberties MUST be tempered by asking ourselves: Is it expedient? (will it help me in more efficiently pleasing and glorifying God, winning the lost, and NOT giving offense to the saved OR the lost-1Cor 10:31-33)? Does it edify others? Might I be brought under the power of it?

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But that's such a simplistic and incomplete way of looking at it, and why Christians have an 'anything goes" attitude about their walk. In fact, many of the verses about about Christian liberty specifically have to do with being liberated from the law and traditions of Judaism: 2Cor 3:17; Gal 2:4; Gal 5:1; Gal 5:13; James 2:12, et al.

and after traditions of men colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

But otherwise, as far as things not forbidden, again, even in those we are expected to use discernment to set limitations for ourselves, (not necessarily others) in when, or if, to use our liberty.

And it is up to the  individual to make that decision, it basically a Romans 14 issue

For instance, meth use if not forbidden in the Bible. So, do we have liberty to use it? Well, some might say yes, however, when we consider "Al things are lawful for me but I wil not be brought under the power of any", clearly, then, such things would be beyond the bounds of what we should do. When it has no intrinsic value .yes

 

Of course, there are those who would say that meth use falls under the command not to do things to destroy the temple of God, our body, and I would agree, but then, we'd better be looking carefully at EVERYTHING we put into our temples if we will follow that line of thinking, for most of what people eat today is clearly damaging to the temple, what with GMO foods, refined carbs, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, boxed foods, soda pop, energy drinks, vccinations with thimerisol, fillings with mercury. A majority of the junk put into our bodies today is damaging to it, so if we will ust go gainst things like meth and heroin and such because of the damage, we'd best be prepared to make big changes in our ;liberties; in these areas, as well.and some things we just cant get away from, we all dont live on a farm

 

As I said before, our liberties MUST be tempered by asking ourselves: Is it expedient? (will it help me in more efficiently pleasing and glorifying God, winning the lost, and NOT giving offense to the saved OR the lost-1Cor 10:31-33)? Does it edify others? Might I be brought under the power of it? also Christians who dont practice liberty are not to judge those who do and then claim " weaker brother" all the time to control others, because they fall into a trap also

Romans 14: Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

 

1 Tim 4: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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Jeffery, not arguing about it-its something each believer must decide on their own, though the advice and teaching of the word can certainly be a help.

 

One comment you made, "and some things we just cant get away from, we all dont live on a farm". Is that really a good excuse? "Sorry, Lord, I HAD to eat junk and damage the temple you placed me ini charge of, because I didn't live on a farm". There is more and more plenty of availability of better food choices, as well as great plans for small-area gardening. And maybe there is more availability to living on farms than we think, except sometimes we just don't want to give up the conveniences of city life, so we accept the necessary evils of it.  

 

However, my point was not just that-its the entire way of understanding Christian liberty, that it doesn't mean we do as we please, it means that even IN our liberties, we must be willing to consider where we must place our own boundaires on those liberties, and usually, those boundaires are from outside ourselves. Too often Christians are unwilling to do so.."Its MY liberty, MY freedom to do such and such". Great, but what about the God-given responsibilities we have to the glory of God and the edification of others and the expediencey of the gospel?  "Forget that! I'm gonna have a beer, cuz I have LIBERTY IN CHRIST!".

 

By the way, we had liberty to drink and smoke and cuss and get tattoos before we were saved. So what's the difference now?  Oh, well, now it won't send me to hell. Ah, so noew we do that which would send me to hell before I was saved, because I am safe now. Hm.

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"Every man did that which was right in his own eyes..."


What am I doing LuAnne that is sinful , but right in my own eyes?

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I haven't read that anyones said that Christian liberty means we can do as we please.  

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What am I doing LuAnne that is sinful , but right in my own eyes?

Did I say you?  I didn't say anyone in particular.  I quoted a verse from the Bible.  Considering that I don't know you in the least bit, I can't say what you are doing that is sinful yet right in your own eyes. I can surmise from things you say, but that doesn't really mean anything.

 

Christianity today is in that place, where every man is doing that which is right in their own eyes.  *shrugs* Even you say so, actually, when you say that "it's up to the individual..." claiming Rom. 14.  While I would agree that we all must come to the realization of what is right and what is wrong, there are biblical principles which are not wrong to teach others to follow.  And those principles cover a multitude of activities, thoughts, actions.  But too many people today say they don't have to follow them if they don't want to (or feel convicted, or led, or whatever terminology).

 

Don't be so quick to take something personal, unless it is actually obviously directed at you (as in, I say your name...). It was never meant that way.  :coffee2:

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I haven't read that anyones said that Christian liberty means we can do as we please.  

Not really here, but more a general overview of modern American "Churchianity", with their brewery bible studies and Beer and Hymns get-togethers, and such things. "Christian" tattoos, and this sort of thing.

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Jeffery, not arguing about it-its something each believer must decide on their own, though the advice and teaching of the word can certainly be a help.

 

One comment you made, "and some things we just cant get away from, we all dont live on a farm". Is that really a good excuse? "Sorry, Lord, I HAD to eat junk and damage the temple you placed me ini charge of, because I didn't live on a farm". There is more and more plenty of availability of better food choices, as well as great plans for small-area gardening. And maybe there is more availability to living on farms than we think, except sometimes we just don't want to give up the conveniences of city life, so we accept the necessary evils of it.

 

  Jesus said its not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out of him

 

However, my point was not just that-its the entire way of understanding Christian liberty, that it doesn't mean we do as we please, it means that even IN our liberties, we must be willing to consider where we must place our own boundaires on those liberties, and usually, those boundaires are from outside ourselves. Too often Christians are unwilling to do so.."Its MY liberty, MY freedom to do such and such". Great, but what about the God-given responsibilities we have to the glory of God and the edification of others and the expediencey of the gospel?  "Forget that! I'm gonna have a beer, cuz I have LIBERTY IN CHRIST!".

 

We can drink beer because it is permissible. (see Deut 14:26) The real reason fundamentalist don't like liberty is because they don't believe it. Fundamentalist think that fellow believers are looking for new ways to sin, when the fact is that we are free from man made laws as well

 

By the way, we had liberty to drink and smoke and cuss and get tattoos before we were saved. So what's the difference now?  Oh, well, now it won't send me to hell. Ah, so noew we do that which would send me to hell before I was saved, because I am safe now. Hm.

 

we can drink and smoke now if we want, and tats for that matter, we are no longer under the law, but Fundamentalist wishes we were

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