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#21 John81

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:03 AM

For many Christians parents they are dealing with the education and upbringing of their children as does the world, not as God directs. Rather than desiring their children be born again in Christ, learn to follow and obey the Lord, living their lives for His glory and honour, they want the same things the lost world wants for their children, the pursuit of worldly gain.

 

Listen to most Christian parents and they sound just like unsaved parents. They want their children to be accepted by the worldly, they don't want their children to miss out on all the worldly things going on in the public schools, they are willing to sacrifice almost anything so their children can play sports in school, their goal for their children is to get them into a worldly college where they can learn how to get a worldly job/career which pays lots of money so they can lay up lots of treasures here on earth.

 

I've know of a couple such cases and have read of many more where a Christian parents child will get saved and then at some point their child hears the Lord's calling for them and when they share it with their parents their parents discourage them. The parents put much pressure on them to ignore God, follow the worldly path of "success" and then sometime later after they get their worldly college degree and have their successful worldly career, maybe then they can talk about doing what God wants.

 

If it's important for adult Christians to maintain separation from the wicked influences of the world, how much more important to separate children from such? When the military gets new recruits they don't just drop them behind enemy lines and tell them to do their best. Recruits go through basic training first, and then most go through much more training afterwards. Does it really make sense to drop unprepared children into the enemy camp and then allow that enemy to teach, instruct, mold and conform them?

 

Visiting public schools (in America) is like taking a tour of a sin museum. Evolution is all over the place, ungodly philosophies are taught as truth, God and Christianity are either totally ignored or belittled, false religions are built up, teen sex is spoken of as something that "everyone does" so they hand out condoms, offer "helpful" information on abortions, immodesty abounds throughout the school, even among the teachers and staff, students kissing and sometimes groping, sinful music blaring all about promoting the wonders and joys of drunkenness, drugs, sinful sex, foul language of the worst sort is heard all about, talk of the latest sinful TV shows and movies is all about, with some being shown in classes, Bible reading isn't permitted but studies on Islam and paganism are to be found, students are taught the biblical account of creation is a myth, most or all of the Bible is myth, that death is simply the end of life, there is no absolute truth, God is an invention of man to manipulate people or provide a crutch for the weak, materialism is promoted as a noble goal, and on and on.

 

Then if one looks at the textbooks they are filled with ungodly "political correctness", distortions and outright lies.

 

So, while Christian parents pursue the "good life" here on earth, unwilling to make sacrifices in order to give themselves fully to God and raise their children in accord with the Word, they sacrifice their children to the world so they can gain the world.

 

Our own selfishness and failure to raise our children for the Lord is why so many children from Christian families are lost to the world.



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:57 AM

For all you who are opposed to government run schools....

 

Moses was raised in a government run school.  A worldly school that taught about Egyptian gods, and other things, as well as a very good education in science, math, language, etc.  God placed Moses there.

 

Daniel was educated in the Babylonian schools.  God placed him there.  He took the good parts of the education, but only did not go along when it violated his faith in God.

 

God places many good families in public schools today.  God can use us in the midst of other beliefs and lifestyles we may not agree with.  



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:13 AM

As my Dad pointed out, (DaveW is my dad, in case you didn't know) I was homeschooled.

However I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter so much where you school as long as you have a good foundation in God. You can go to a good Christian School and not get that foundation. It's up to the parents to ensure that their children get training in the ways of God. Their children can then use that training at a Christian or public school, or in their homeschooling and activities they do in public.

I personally am not against children being in the public school system. If they are supported and trained properly, they might even be a positive witness there. It will be hard, and temptations will be there, but that may strengthen them.

I'm not saying it's an easy situation, and every parent should definately seek the Lord's leading in this. The thing is homeschooling isn't for everyone. Not everyone can afford private Christian schooling. But every parent should make sure they give their children a solid foundation in God and His Word. Then, later in life, whether in a public school or in college/University/the workplace they can stand in their faith.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter so much what type of schooling a child does, as long as they are getting spiritual support and training from their parents.

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6




Thanks, while home schooling for you went well, can you share somethings that you mist having or doing as a kid? This can help others.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:23 AM

Many parents don't qualify to teach, like my self.

By whose qualifications? Mom never finished high school (left early for nursing school)- but she taught us just fine. That's what books are for. :wink She ended up learning a lot while teaching us, too.

 

To much free time at home, no good.

No such thing. Kids always make use of free time, and when that time is directed to good hard play, help around the house and exploration of one's environment, that free time becomes an extension of the learning process. Whoever decided that children should be scheduled 24 hours a day anyways?



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:10 AM

Many parents don't qualify to teach, like my self.
By whose qualifications? Mom never finished high school (left early for nursing school)- but she taught us just fine. That's what books are for. :wink She ended up learning a lot while teaching us, too.
 
To much free time at home, no good.
No such thing. Kids always make use of free time, and when that time is directed to good hard play, help around the house and exploration of one's environment, that free time becomes an extension of the learning process. Whoever decided that children should be scheduled 24 hours a day anyways?


Spot on Salyan, we should always be teaching our children " along the way"

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:06 PM

Thanks, while home schooling for you went well, can you share somethings that you mist having or doing as a kid? This can help others.

I feel like I missed out by not being home schooled.



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:19 PM

I was an inner city public school teacher for 16 years.  I taught in the RCC for two years prior to that.  The Cleveland Municipal School District hired me, based on my training and experience in the parochial school - and where I graduated from college - before I sat down for the interview.  The problem with public school is that it is government controlled.  I was, however, able to take some kids to my IFB church after they were in middle and high school.  My former students kept in touch with me for sometime.  They wanted to go, based on me showing how a Christian should live, while I taught 5th grade.  I didn't have to say a word.  Also, b/c of that, the Lord opened doors for me to witness to children, without saying a thing to them.  They brought up God in their writing assignments.  We said the Pledge of Allegiance every day and said, "God bless America."

My son is 23 years old.  I taught in the CMSD when I got off maternity leave.  My ex husband was starting another business and I had to work to feed the family and pay the bills.  My son went to Montessori School from Pre-K through 3rd grade for the "sponge years" as they call it.  We took him out of Montessori School b/c the tuition was extremely high.  I payed for day care and my ex husband payed for private education.  He attended public school from 4th grade through 12th grade in a very affluent suburb, which is the best in the state of OH.  Although, after 9th grade his dad started a business in NC.  My son wanted to move with his dad, and after much prayer, I agreed as I thought he would resent me if I didn't let him go.  His dad is not remarried, and my son did not want him to go alone.  He was miserable in NC.  My ex husband's attorney ordered my ex to send him back to me, otherwise he would give me full custody.  He came home, and my ex came back 6 months later.  However, due to his dad being unsaved, he stopped going to church. 

By the time my son was in middle school, my ex husband became wealthy off the businesses he had been starting and selling.  My hubby and I couldn't afford to send our son to college.  He went to Ohio State University for three years and was miserable.  He wanted to go to OSU since he was 4.  He was sadly disappointed.  He was home just about every weekend, as he was homesick.  He is finishing up college at Cleveland State University with a graduate degree in Marketing.  He lost credits when he transferred from OSU to CSU.  He commutes and will finish this summer.  If my hubby and I would have had the money, we would have sent him to Christian college.  He can't wait to get out of college, as it is very worldly.  He has never had a girlfriend, didn't attend Prom in high school, never joined a Fraternity, etc.  He just wants to get out of college, start working, and get to married to an IFB girl.  He also wants to be the breadwinner in the family.

Each parent has to make their own decision based on many things.  As long as you provide your child with a strong Christian home, I don't see the problem.    


Edited by candlelight, 05 February 2014 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

Thanks, while home schooling for you went well, can you share somethings that you mist having or doing as a kid? This can help others.

I'm not Zed, but can I answer too? :wink

Why the negative approach? Anything I missed having or doing as a kid was stuff that we couldn't afford and that school wouldn't have provided anyways (like trips to the mountains, etc.). I loved the extra time that we got as homeschoolers (couldn't imagine being stuck in a classroom for 7 hours to do what I could get finished in 3), and the freedom to go to historical sites during school hours (as opposed to on weekends when they are overrun with visitors - didn't appreciate that one until I started working!). I liked being able to plan sleepovers with my friends, then stay up late and get our school done so we could play all the next day! Any particular lessons I wanted (art, music, skiing, swimming, what have you) were available through the local outreach school program, or organized by the homeschool group. I enjoyed teaching myself high school history, assigning my own projects and being able to present my worldview without censoring it for a dissenting teacher. I certainly didn't miss the social pressure and bullying of the schools.



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:41 PM

I don't think I missed out on anything in particular. Education-wise I made it into University, so I'm not lacking there.

 

The only thing is the extra possible witness that I may have been, but I have that at work (I work at a fast food restaurant over here).



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:53 PM

There are things my son wishes he could have missed...



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:41 AM

I always enjoy reading the educational experiences of others and find it to be quite diverse.  My husband and I were reared in different parts of the country; he is from a rural area and I am from a large city.  We are products of public education, although I went to a Christian college.  He graduated from a federal academy, then went to a state university and a private medical university.  But, we chose home education at a time when it was not common (1980) because we wanted more for our children than what the public systems were offering.  A military career kept us on the move and home schooling was a perfect choice for us.  We continued for 20 years and have also been very satisfied with the Christian school located in the area where we settled.  

 

An observation from 17 years as a junior church teacher of varied home school, Christian school and public school children: it is the parent's influence and involvement in the lives of their children which has the greatest impact.  A lazy parent seems to get about the same results whether they home school or the child gets himself to the school bus.  Attentive parents will usually produce a well-educated child at home or in a local school.  I can add that a mix of attentive parents and dedicated teachers can result in an awesome Christian school experience. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:15 AM

I always enjoy reading the educational experiences of others and find it to be quite diverse. My husband and I were reared in different parts of the country; he is from a rural area and I am from a large city. We are products of public education, although I went to a Christian college. He graduated from a federal academy, then went to a state university and a private medical university. But, we chose home education at a time when it was not common (1980) because we wanted more for our children than what the public systems were offering. A military career kept us on the move and home schooling was a perfect choice for us. We continued for 20 years and have also been very satisfied with the Christian school located in the area where we settled.

An observation from 17 years as a junior church teacher of varied home school, Christian school and public school children: it is the parent's influence and involvement in the lives of their children which has the greatest impact. A lazy parent seems to get about the same results whether they home school or the child gets himself to the school bus. Attentive parents will usually produce a well-educated child at home or in a local school. I can add that a mix of attentive parents and dedicated teachers can result in an awesome Christian school experience.


I have said similar sentiments and been taken to task over it, but I agree wholeheartedly.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:53 AM

Around 10th grade, putting them in public schools can prepare them better for college. How to deal with the real World, people that are normal and wierd. How to practice all what they have learned to now. They will get a little dirty, but this will do them well.Remember when you got a little dirty, but your doing just fine now. Don't make them weak to the pray.

 

That's very foolish and contrary to God's Word.  Such is akin to throwing raw recruits onto the front lines of battle.  They'll get chewed up and scarred for life, if they survive.  God's plan is better.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:21 AM

I know I'm coming into this thread rather late, but wanted to add a thought that should be able to guide just about everyone in such a decision:

 

Can you undo/correct in the 4ish hours in the evening with your children what your schooling method does to them during the 8ish hours at school? I'm not talking about math and reading skills, I'm talking about life influences they get from friends, other classmates, and even some of the curriculum. God is distinctly absent from public schools and most private schools that are not attached to a church. Therefore, whether you send your kids to public or private school or homeschool them, you have to ensure first and foremost you are able to keep them spiritually grounded. It doesn't matter if how well your child is educated if they soak up so much of the world that they walk away frrom Christ. After you've answered that question, only then should quality of education be important. Certainly, financial and living situations can dictate what options you have, but this question should be applied to all available options.

 

Matthew:33-34

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:54 AM

For all you who are opposed to government run schools....

 

Moses was raised in a government run school.  A worldly school that taught about Egyptian gods, and other things, as well as a very good education in science, math, language, etc.  God placed Moses there.

 

Daniel was educated in the Babylonian schools.  God placed him there.  He took the good parts of the education, but only did not go along when it violated his faith in God.

 

God places many good families in public schools today.  God can use us in the midst of other beliefs and lifestyles we may not agree with.  

 

Moses and Daniel didn't have an option, silly excuse you pose.  As to your last, the Lord doesn't place kids in public school because that would be contrary to his Word, you make him a liar.  

 

It hasn't happened for you yet, you're young and foolish, but someday, I hope, that you see the error of your ways and repent.  Hopefully before the world finishes devouring your children.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:01 PM

Moses and Daniel didn't have an option, silly excuse you pose.  As to your last, the Lord doesn't place kids in public school because that would be contrary to his Word, you make him a liar.  

 

It hasn't happened for you yet, you're young and foolish, but someday, I hope, that you see the error of your ways and repent.  Hopefully before the world finishes devouring your children.

 

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree.  I'm not changing your mind, and you aren't changing mine.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:07 PM

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree.  I'm not changing your mind, and you aren't changing mine.

 

If the King James Bible was your final authority for all matters of faith and practice then you'd be on God's side.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:16 PM

If the King James Bible was your final authority for all matters of faith and practice then you'd be on God's side.

 

I don't see that God has "sides" as you put it, in this issue.  We all find ourselves in different places in life.  Being on God's side is accepting where we are at in life, and demonstrating his love and compassion to people around us.  So in that regard, I am on "God's side."  

 

I find myself in a particular situation in life over which I have no control.  What I have control over is my response.  Right now, God calls me and my family to have our children in our local public neighborhood school.  It is where he has placed us to be salt and light to the world, and we are loving the people around us.  

 

As long as God is happy with me, which I believe he is, I don't need anyone else's approval or thoughts. Think what you will.  It really doesn't bother me at all.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:01 PM

I don't see that God has "sides" as you put it, in this issue.  We all find ourselves in different places in life.  Being on God's side is accepting where we are at in life, and demonstrating his love and compassion to people around us.  So in that regard, I am on "God's side."  

 

I find myself in a particular situation in life over which I have no control.  What I have control over is my response.  Right now, God calls me and my family to have our children in our local public neighborhood school.  It is where he has placed us to be salt and light to the world, and we are loving the people around us.  

 

As long as God is happy with me, which I believe he is, I don't need anyone else's approval or thoughts. Think what you will.  It really doesn't bother me at all.

 

The Lord certainly has sides.  Them that are saved and them that are lost.  There are those in fellowship with God and those who have broken fellowship.  

 

The Lord will not have you send your kids to be indoctrinated in the devil's ways at government school, it is contrary to His Word.  God would not have you reading Egyptian Bibles and fellowshipping with false "churches".  Those are your errors and contrary to His Word.  

 

To those who may not know me, I made these same mistakes and with some took a long time to learn the right way too.

 

I'm not going to change your mind but I will reprove, rebuke and exhort with all long suffering.  Christians cannot let your errors stand otherwise some may be deceived as well.  Once you surrender your will, then you will change by the power of the Holy Ghost.  



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:10 PM

The Lord certainly has sides.  Them that are saved and them that are lost.  There are those in fellowship with God and those who have broken fellowship.  

 

The Lord will not have you send your kids to be indoctrinated in the devil's ways at government school, it is contrary to His Word.  God would not have you reading Egyptian Bibles and fellowshipping with false "churches".  Those are your errors and contrary to His Word.  

 

To those who may not know me, I made these same mistakes and with some took a long time to learn the right way too.

 

I'm not going to change your mind but I will reprove, rebuke and exhort with all long suffering.  Christians cannot let your errors stand otherwise some may be deceived as well.  Once you surrender your will, then you will change by the power of the Holy Ghost.  

 

At school the kids learn reading, writing mathematics, science, history, foreign languages.  They learn about the earth and natural laws that God has created.  They are learning the same things there as they would in a private Christian school, minus the religious education, which I can assure you they are getting at home and church.  

So, we are giving them a foundation for life.  We are completely involved in their education.  We know their teacher.  Help in the classroom at times.  Know the kids in the school.  Know the administration.  We work together for the better future of the children.

 

That is where God has placed me at this phase in my life.  To be "salt and light" to the world in which I live, and that happens to be in my neighborhood school.  We have had families come to church with us we met at school.  We have developed great relationships with people of different backgrounds.  It is a good thing.  It is being a part of the community God put me in.

 

So if that is going astray, so be it.  I am happy.  My family is happy.  I believe in my heart that we are doing just what God wants us to be doing in this phase of life.  My daughter has really become very confident in herself, her reading and mathematics has progressed leaps and bounds, and she has really blossomed in her school.  It is good for her.  

 

So I am sorry you see things the way you do.  Each family must follow God within the community in which they live.  That is exactly what I am doing.






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