Can Your Kids Have Gay Friends?

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There's no way a saved man can be friends with a homo. Just go ahead and deceived yourself into thinking that. You can be "nice" and kind and be friendly to them or help them out in a time of need but that's the extent. You start "hanging" with them or trying to bond with them or understand their position you are going to hurt yourself and your kids who are watching you. Why would you anyway? And please don't give me that, "I'm trying to get the gospel to them" when you know that's not true. Hang out with those of a like mindedness. 

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I agree with Jeffrey on all accounts.  I got saved by having a Christian friend who introduced me to the fact that I was a sinner and needed salvation and then I started going to church.  My spouse got saved through Christian friends at work.  There has to be some level of trust, friendship, closeness, caring.  Jesus didn't go door to door.  I'm not knocking that type of evangelism, but don't think it's that effective, especially in discipleship.  I never open the door to strangers.  I never would have been saved with that method.   

And I got saved by someone who held a sign up at a baseball game. 

 

You don't need to be a friend to present the gospel.

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The point is most people get saved by people they know.  I have a lot of gay people in my family.  They're still my family.  I still love them.  They are welcome in my home and this little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine.

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There's no way a saved man can be friends with a homo. Just go ahead and deceived yourself into thinking that. You can be "nice" and kind and be friendly to them or help them out in a time of need but that's the extent. You start "hanging" with them or trying to bond with them or understand their position you are going to hurt yourself and your kids who are watching you. Why would you anyway? And please don't give me that, "I'm trying to get the gospel to them" when you know that's not true. Hang out with those of a like mindedness. 

Homo is a derogatory name.  Please see my post on Forum Etiquette.  Maybe I should change the name to "Christian Etiquette.  If someone went up to my nephew and called him that, I would feel compelled to punch him in the nose.

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I'd rather share the gospel with people I know and care about.  It's natural to have concern for people you love.

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And door knocking is not the only requirement for evangelism, sometimes it requires you to get involved, personally in someone's life at the cost of your time and energy, because that's loving the lost, it's easier just to knock on someone's door, irritate them because your are invading their personall time, interrupt what they are doing, just to hand them a pamphlet and tell them how wicked they are.

1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 

 

We sow the seed often to those who seem not interested in hearing but God can work in any situation. God's Word never returns void.

 

 Love the sinner but hate their sin either neighbor would be a great opportunity.

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I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

Larry

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1 Cor 9

 19  For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

 20  And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

 21  To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

 22  To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

 23  And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

This passage is about Paul changing his presentation of the Gospel (not the Gospel but his presentation method) according to whom he was speaking     .yes

It actually has nothing to do with going into brothels or pubs as some suggest. He met people in all walks of life, Do you know the story of the woman at the well? that was very scandalous for Jesus to be talking to her at that time

It has far more to do with HOW not where we present the Gospel. Yes

That means that for some people a friendship needs to be established before their heart is prepared for the Gospel.
Another may be saved by a single encounter at their own doorstep. Yes,

Look at Paul presenting the Gospel to those at Mars Hill - he begins by explaining who God is.....

But to Agrippa there is no need of that, for he is familiar with the God of the Hebrews.

Paul's point is that people are different and therefore the sharing of the Gospel needs to suit the person - not the facts, but the method.

I know you all know this from your own experience too - you all know a man who was saved when he walked down the aisle at an invitation, and you know people who were saved as an individual person showed them from God's Word, and some may even know of one who was saved alone by reading a salvation tract.

But the Bible is plain that our 'friends' should be saved people.
we need to be friendly to the lost however, and that may include befriending them. Absolutely!

I think we need two different words for friend maybe?????
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I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

Larry

How can one be just an "acquaintance" with close, lost family members?

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There's no way a saved man can be friends with a homosexual. Just go ahead and deceived yourself into thinking that. You can be "nice" and kind and be friendly to them or help them out in a time of need but that's the extent. You start "hanging" with them or trying to bond with them or understand their position you are going to hurt yourself and your kids who are watching you. Why would you anyway? And please don't give me that, "I'm trying to get the gospel to them" when you know that's not true. Hang out with those of a like mindedness. 

Did you ever read my signature? How did the person that shared the Gospel with you, feel about you?

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I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

Larry

And I ask the same question to you, how did the person who shared the Gospel with you, feel about you? or were you already a good guy....

Or as somebody once said," I thank you God you didn't make me like that homo over there,..."

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Jeff - some people, as I am sure you are aware, misuse Paul's teaching at this point to justify going into clearly sinful places for the purpose of preaching the Gospel.
The passage I referenced actually has nothing to do with that situation - my point was that it was Paul's method which changed, which I note you agree on.

As to the woman at the well, it is not a direct parallel to that as Jesus did not go to a scandalous place - he was waiting at the well, which was a perfectly acceptable thing to do at any time of the day.
This woman came outside the normal watering time because SHE was scandalous - and in need of salvation.

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Jeff - some people, as I am sure you are aware, misuse Paul's teaching at this point to justify going into clearly sinful places for the purpose of preaching the Gospel.
The passage I referenced actually has nothing to do with that situation - my point was that it was Paul's method which changed, which I note you agree on.

As to the woman at the well, it is not a direct parallel to that as Jesus did not go to a scandalous place - he was waiting at the well, which was a perfectly acceptable thing to do at any time of the day.
This woman came outside the normal watering time because SHE was scandalous - and in need of salvation.

right but the fact that Jesus was talking to a Samaritan woman at that was scandalous! who was married 5 times, living with number 6

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Yes, Jesus spoke to sinners who needed to be saved.

Interestingly, he says that her current squeeze IS NOT HER HUSBAND.....

That is another topic entirely though.....

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and the woman who washed His feet with her tears?, the pharisees were mortified, But Jesus came for them/us not the self righteous

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right but the fact that Jesus was talking to a Samaritan woman at that was scandalous! who was married 5 times, living with number 6

God does place great opportunities in our path for witnessing as we are obedient to His will.  Often we do not even have to look for people to witness to as God is always out in front of us preparing the field so we can sow and He can water.

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God does place great opportunities in our path for witnessing as we are obedient to His will.  Often we do not even have to look for people to witness to as God is always out in front of us preparing the field so we can sow and He can water.

Good point, we need to be prayerful to look for those opportunities during our day, they are out there, we need to be looking for them

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Without losing sight of the fact that these people are sinners in need of salvation, I would point out that the Bible does warn against closeness with those in sin.

That is why I suggested we may need two words for "friend".

Your true friends should be men and women of faith in Christ.
Your true friends should not be those who are living in blatant sin (whilst allowing that no man here on earth is perfect).

But Paul's teaching as noted above means that we need to share the Gospel in the most effective way according to the person we are witnessing to.
In some cases this may necessitate forming a (distanced) relationship with them.
This is not the same sort of friendship, but rather, being genuinely friendly towards them for the purpose of reaching them for Christ.
This in no way means you condone or accept sinful lifestyles and activities, and certainly not joining in sinful activities.

If they steadfastly refuse the Gospel, then write it off as a sowing time, and leave it to the Lord to bring another to reap. The (lesser) friendship ends here.

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World English Dictionary
friend  (frɛnd)   n 1. a person known well to another and regarded with liking, affection, and loyalty; an intimate 2. an acquaintance or associate 3. an ally in a fight or cause; supporter 4. a fellow member of a party, society, etc 5. a patron or supporter: a friend of the opera 6. be friends  to be friendly (with) 7. make friends  to become friendly (with)

 

Just so you know my definition of a friend.   Only #1 above fits my definition of a friend.

All the other definitions could become a friend but their place in a persons life does not make them a friend by my definition.  Just being #2 thru #7 requires no closeness or trust.  A friend is one you can trust with you or anything of yours including your possesions or the members of your family.  I don't know who said it but: "A true friend is hard to find."

 

If my definition does not fit the world's debinition, so be it.  :mellow:

 

God bless,

Larry

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World English Dictionary
friend  (frɛnd)   — n 1. a person known well to another and regarded with liking, affection, and loyalty; an intimate 2. an acquaintance or associate 3. an ally in a fight or cause; supporter 4. a fellow member of a party, society, etc 5. a patron or supporter: a friend of the opera 6. be friends  to be friendly (with) 7. make friends  to become friendly (with)

 

Just so you know my definition of a friend.   Only #1 above fits my definition of a friend.

All the other definitions could become a friend but their place in a persons life does not make them a friend by my definition.  Just being #2 thru #7 requires no closeness or trust.  A friend is one you can trust with you or anything of yours including your possesions or the members of your family.  I don't know who said it but: "A true friend is hard to find."

 

If my definition does not fit the world's debinition, so be it.  :mellow:

 

God bless,

Larry

 

And yet Jesus was a friend to sinners, was He worldly?

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I'm not debating the fact that Jesus Christ ate with publicans and sinners; however, there is one point about this that people seem to miss. Yes, the Lord did spend time with them; however, please notice why...

 

Mark 2:15
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
 
They were following Christ.
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We have peoples opinions and their own viewpoints, and then we have the Word of God which tells us not to be unequally yoked, that bad company corrupts, that we are not to be entangled with the world, that those we are close to are to be Christians. Scripture also informs us that God's ways are above our ways and we are called to obey God.

 

Should we obey God and trust Him with the outcome or should we do what we feel?

 

Where is "Jesus friend of sinners" in Scripture? Even an internet search for such turns up a Casting Crowns song, not a Bible verse.

 

As mentioned above, some of the lost sought out Jesus and He shared the Gospel with them. He didn't make sinners His friends, He didn't pal around with sinners. According to Scripture, Jesus' closest friends were Peter, James and John.

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I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

Larry

 

Amen, Pilgrim!  I believe you hit the nail on the head.  I do not make the unsaved my friends.  They are aquaintances.  Facebook calls them "friends" but I call them "aquaintances" as I am planting seeds to them on my Timeline, hoping they are led to Christ as Jesus does the saving not me.  This was mentioned in a post above.  I will say I believe unsaved family is a whole different thing.  I am a witness and a testimony to them.  Although, none of my family members are homosexuals.  They are lost sinners.  I DO NOT share in their sinful lifestyle.  

Back to the OP.  My son does not have any homosexual friends.  My hair stylist is a homosexual, though.  However, he is an aquaintance of mine, not a friend.  I am currently reading a book on how to witness to homosexuals.  He believes in God, but is caught up in the sin of homosexuality and doesn't know how to be saved.  I also believe it is easier for me, as a woman, to witness to this man.  

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I came to faith by a stranger who gave me a gospel tract, whom I did not have a conversation with and never saw again. So there does not seem to be any solid proof that most people come to faith by someone they know. We cannot know the true statistics.

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I was being spiritually drawn in 1997.  I was a single mom, at that time.  A friend shared the gospel with me.  This friend, from grade school, was a wild one his whole life.  I could see a huge change in him.  He told me that Jesus transformed his life and that he was a child of God now.  He witnessed to me, we read the Bible, and had me do the sinner's prayer.  I thought I was saved in 1998.  My MIL saw that I had an interest in spiritual things in 1999.  I told her that I was saved, though.  She began to share the word of God with me, as she thought I wasn't grounded in God's word.  I was studying the word of God with this friend from grade school. 

Anyway, I was taking courses to get my master's degree that summer.  My ex husband was no where to be found.  He was out west somewhere with his brother.  I was in a bind that week, as I had no one to watch my son and I needed to take my courses for my degree.  I asked a neighbor, across the street from me, if she could watch my son one night.  She had two boys, at the time, whom my son was friends with.  She told me that her boys were going to VBS at the little church in town, which was my IFB church (the old building).  She explained what VBS was.  I told her "yes."  I said, that my son needed a little religion.  He was 7.  He went to VBS for the week.  He loved it!  He talked about a man named Mr. Joe who was the Sunday School director and was also in charge of VBS.  I took all the boys, one night, and met Mr. Joe (my husband) on the stairwell on a Wednesday night.  In October of 1999, the church had a missions conference.  My MIL invited me.  I went to morning service.  My son was with his dad that weekend.  My church had a fellowship afterwards.  My husband and I just happened to sit at the same table together.  We started talking.  We had our first date, a month later, and married in November of 2000.  We have been married for over twelve years.  

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