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Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:35 PM

You don't have to be a friend to present the Gospel to anyone. It is our job to present. We don't do the saving, Jesus does.


Considering for a second you don't know the gospel, you will listen to a stranger rather than somebody you know or trust?

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:52 PM

I agree with Jeffrey on all accounts.  I got saved by having a Christian friend who introduced me to the fact that I was a sinner and needed salvation and then I started going to church.  My spouse got saved through Christian friends at work.  There has to be some level of trust, friendship, closeness, caring.  Jesus didn't go door to door.  I'm not knocking that type of evangelism, but don't think it's that effective, especially in discipleship.  I never open the door to strangers.  I never would have been saved with that method.   



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:04 PM

1 Cor 9

 19  For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

 20  And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

 21  To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

 22  To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

 23  And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

This passage is about Paul changing his presentation of the Gospel (not the Gospel but his presentation method) according to whom he was speaking.

It actually has nothing to do with going into brothels or pubs as some suggest.

It has far more to do with HOW not where we present the Gospel.

That means that for some people a friendship needs to be established before their heart is prepared for the Gospel.
Another may be saved by a single encounter at their own doorstep.

Look at Paul presenting the Gospel to those at Mars Hill - he begins by explaining who God is.....

But to Agrippa there is no need of that, for he is familiar with the God of the Hebrews.

Paul's point is that people are different and therefore the sharing of the Gospel needs to suit the person - not the facts, but the method.

I know you all know this from your own experience too - you all know a man who was saved when he walked down the aisle at an invitation, and you know people who were saved as an individual person showed them from God's Word, and some may even know of one who was saved alone by reading a salvation tract.

But the Bible is plain that our 'friends' should be saved people.
we need to be friendly to the lost however, and that may include befriending them.

I think we need two different words for friend maybe?????
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:08 PM

Not to mention lost family members.  We still have relationships with them on some level.  They don't cease being our family.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:09 PM

Which would be your better next door neighbor? A gay person or a Jehovah witness?

What's this got to do with the original question? You seem to be gainsaying now. 

 

I wouldn't care as long as they stay off my property or keep their sex parties inside with the curtains drawn.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:14 PM

There's no way a saved man can be friends with a homo. Just go ahead and deceived yourself into thinking that. You can be "nice" and kind and be friendly to them or help them out in a time of need but that's the extent. You start "hanging" with them or trying to bond with them or understand their position you are going to hurt yourself and your kids who are watching you. Why would you anyway? And please don't give me that, "I'm trying to get the gospel to them" when you know that's not true. Hang out with those of a like mindedness. 



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:16 PM

I agree with Jeffrey on all accounts.  I got saved by having a Christian friend who introduced me to the fact that I was a sinner and needed salvation and then I started going to church.  My spouse got saved through Christian friends at work.  There has to be some level of trust, friendship, closeness, caring.  Jesus didn't go door to door.  I'm not knocking that type of evangelism, but don't think it's that effective, especially in discipleship.  I never open the door to strangers.  I never would have been saved with that method.   

And I got saved by someone who held a sign up at a baseball game. 

 

You don't need to be a friend to present the gospel.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:25 PM

The point is most people get saved by people they know.  I have a lot of gay people in my family.  They're still my family.  I still love them.  They are welcome in my home and this little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:28 PM

There's no way a saved man can be friends with a homo. Just go ahead and deceived yourself into thinking that. You can be "nice" and kind and be friendly to them or help them out in a time of need but that's the extent. You start "hanging" with them or trying to bond with them or understand their position you are going to hurt yourself and your kids who are watching you. Why would you anyway? And please don't give me that, "I'm trying to get the gospel to them" when you know that's not true. Hang out with those of a like mindedness. 

Homo is a derogatory name.  Please see my post on Forum Etiquette.  Maybe I should change the name to "Christian Etiquette.  If someone went up to my nephew and called him that, I would feel compelled to punch him in the nose.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:34 PM

I'd rather share the gospel with people I know and care about.  It's natural to have concern for people you love.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:03 PM

And door knocking is not the only requirement for evangelism, sometimes it requires you to get involved, personally in someone's life at the cost of your time and energy, because that's loving the lost, it's easier just to knock on someone's door, irritate them because your are invading their personall time, interrupt what they are doing, just to hand them a pamphlet and tell them how wicked they are.

1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 

 

We sow the seed often to those who seem not interested in hearing but God can work in any situation. God's Word never returns void.

 

 Love the sinner but hate their sin either neighbor would be a great opportunity.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:04 PM

I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:10 PM

1 Cor 9

 19  For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

 20  And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

 21  To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

 22  To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

 23  And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

This passage is about Paul changing his presentation of the Gospel (not the Gospel but his presentation method) according to whom he was speaking     .yes

It actually has nothing to do with going into brothels or pubs as some suggest. He met people in all walks of life, Do you know the story of the woman at the well? that was very scandalous for Jesus to be talking to her at that time

It has far more to do with HOW not where we present the Gospel. Yes

That means that for some people a friendship needs to be established before their heart is prepared for the Gospel.
Another may be saved by a single encounter at their own doorstep. Yes,

Look at Paul presenting the Gospel to those at Mars Hill - he begins by explaining who God is.....

But to Agrippa there is no need of that, for he is familiar with the God of the Hebrews.

Paul's point is that people are different and therefore the sharing of the Gospel needs to suit the person - not the facts, but the method.

I know you all know this from your own experience too - you all know a man who was saved when he walked down the aisle at an invitation, and you know people who were saved as an individual person showed them from God's Word, and some may even know of one who was saved alone by reading a salvation tract.

But the Bible is plain that our 'friends' should be saved people.
we need to be friendly to the lost however, and that may include befriending them. Absolutely!

I think we need two different words for friend maybe?????
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:10 PM

I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

Larry

How can one be just an "acquaintance" with close, lost family members?



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:14 PM

There's no way a saved man can be friends with a homosexual. Just go ahead and deceived yourself into thinking that. You can be "nice" and kind and be friendly to them or help them out in a time of need but that's the extent. You start "hanging" with them or trying to bond with them or understand their position you are going to hurt yourself and your kids who are watching you. Why would you anyway? And please don't give me that, "I'm trying to get the gospel to them" when you know that's not true. Hang out with those of a like mindedness. 

Did you ever read my signature? How did the person that shared the Gospel with you, feel about you?



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:17 PM

I guess I am strange but I find it very difficult to trust a person who I know beyond a doubt is a self admitted or obvious liar, thief, murderer, drunkard, adulterer, or homosexual.  I can be an aquaintance of such a person, but I cannot be a friend.  Trust is required in a friendship.  :umno:

God bless,

Larry

And I ask the same question to you, how did the person who shared the Gospel with you, feel about you? or were you already a good guy....

Or as somebody once said," I thank you God you didn't make me like that homo over there,..."



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:20 PM

Jeff - some people, as I am sure you are aware, misuse Paul's teaching at this point to justify going into clearly sinful places for the purpose of preaching the Gospel.
The passage I referenced actually has nothing to do with that situation - my point was that it was Paul's method which changed, which I note you agree on.

As to the woman at the well, it is not a direct parallel to that as Jesus did not go to a scandalous place - he was waiting at the well, which was a perfectly acceptable thing to do at any time of the day.
This woman came outside the normal watering time because SHE was scandalous - and in need of salvation.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:27 PM

Jeff - some people, as I am sure you are aware, misuse Paul's teaching at this point to justify going into clearly sinful places for the purpose of preaching the Gospel.
The passage I referenced actually has nothing to do with that situation - my point was that it was Paul's method which changed, which I note you agree on.

As to the woman at the well, it is not a direct parallel to that as Jesus did not go to a scandalous place - he was waiting at the well, which was a perfectly acceptable thing to do at any time of the day.
This woman came outside the normal watering time because SHE was scandalous - and in need of salvation.

right but the fact that Jesus was talking to a Samaritan woman at that was scandalous! who was married 5 times, living with number 6



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:29 PM

Yes, Jesus spoke to sinners who needed to be saved.

Interestingly, he says that her current squeeze IS NOT HER HUSBAND.....

That is another topic entirely though.....

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:32 PM

and the woman who washed His feet with her tears?, the pharisees were mortified, But Jesus came for them/us not the self righteous






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