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#21 swathdiver

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 01:41 PM

However if the situation gets much worse, Russia would probably be forced to intervene.  

 

The Russians are behind this all the way!  They're masters of deceit.



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 02:00 PM

The Russians are behind this all the way!  What does all the way mean?  Does it mean they are the only one with there noses stuck in this dispute?  They're masters of deceit. Yes, true.  However they are not the only masters of deceit.

 

I suppose you are aware of the Monroe Doctrine.  Is it surprising that the Russians would also have such a doctrine?

 

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 02:04 PM

The Russians are no more masters of deceit than any other godless government.

 

We have to keep in mind Russia and Ukraine are neighbors and a large percentage of the Ukrainian population is Russian.

 

These two nations have a very long and entangled history and what effects one effects the other.

 

It would be a bigger surprise if Russia were not trying to do something to effect the outcome in their favor. The bigger question is why American agents are stirring the pot there.

 

The American president can't even take care of America yet he keeps making speeches telling those in Ukraine, Syria, and several other nations how they must act or he will make sure they pay some sort of consequences.

 

Meanwhile the Russian president is actually trying to put forth efforts that he sees as beneficial to Russians. He's trying to help Russians in Ukraine, trying to make sure their important neighbor remains and asset and doesn't become a problem, he's put in place laws to shut down pro-homosexual propaganda, laws to keep children out of the hands of homosexuals, stood behind a long time Russian ally even when it could have been very costly to do so, etc.

 

No, this isn't calling Putin a great guy or Russia  great country, just showing the contrast between a nations leader actually working towards the goal of improving and protecting his nation and an American president who allows the Mexican government to flaunt American laws, help illegals come into America, harbors fugitives from American justice, and allows lawlessness to impact America. All this while placing laws in effect that have severely hurt our coal industry, refusing to approve the keystone pipeline which would greatly benefit the country in terms of energy and jobs, endorsing full acceptance of homosexuality, even granting homosexual "couples" full federal benefits that heterosexual married couples receive, fomenting racial tensions, etc.

 

At this point, what goes on between the Russians and Ukrainians shouldn't be a major concern for America.

 

If America doesn't tend to her internal affairs, and do so quickly and in what would seem radical ways, the fall of America will be soon and devastating.



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:19 PM

Britain. Russia, France The Ottoman Turks and the Kingdom of Sardia all intervened in that area during the Crimean War 1853-1856.

 

  • The last survivor of the Crimean War was Timothy the Tortoise. Timothy was actually a female tortoise and she died in 2004 (aged about 165). She was ship’s mascot on the HMS Queen which took part in the bombardment of Sevastopol.

     

     


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:44 AM

The Russians under Putin are the driving force behind this revolution.  They've also set themselves up as the men on white horses who could ride in and save the day; using all the nice things John said about them to cement their victory.  I would imagine that the American Democrats are also working to throw off the Ukrainian government and either support Putin or maybe their own guy.  History shows they always support the murderous tyrants, not the freedom loving patriots.

 

Don't forget the history is right.  The Russians murdered half the population before WW2, the Nazis murdered untold millions more during WW2 and then those people were swallowed up behind the Iron Curtain after WW2 where more blood letting continued for decades.  Their taste of freedom didn't even last twenty years.



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 06:33 PM

I don't know where this situation will go from here but I fear it will not end well for anyone.  Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria come to mind. :thumbdown:

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:00 PM

Russia and Ukraine are neighbors with a history longer than we have been a nation. This is really none of our concern any more than it should be Russia's concern if something like this were going on in Canada or Mexico.

 

Something like 40% of the population in eastern Ukraine are Russians. If the situation were reversed and we were the Russians we would be working to sway things in our favor too. At least the Russians have that excuse. America has no real excuse to be involved in this.



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:39 PM

The Russians under Putin are the driving force behind this revolution.  They've also set themselves up as the men on white horses who could ride in and save the day; using all the nice things John said about them to cement their victory.  I would imagine that the American Democrats are also working to throw off the Ukrainian government and either support Putin or maybe their own guy.  History shows they always support the murderous tyrants, not the freedom loving patriots.

 

Don't forget the history is right.  The Russians murdered half the population before WW2, the Nazis murdered untold millions more during WW2 and then those people were swallowed up behind the Iron Curtain after WW2 where more blood letting continued for decades.  Their taste of freedom didn't even last twenty years.

 

I think you are absolutely wrong here.  Russia did not want this revolution, they were trying to woo Ukraine away from Europe, offering trade deals, cheap gas and massive loans of which $3 billion had already been paid.  

 

Russia rightly wants to protect her borders from the encroaching EU.  Don't forget that the US is a republic and republics are socialist.  



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:44 PM

Invicta,

 

I agree with the first portion of your post.

 

The second part I don't understand at all. How do you consider a republic to be socialist?



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:53 AM

I don't know where this situation will go from here but I fear it will not end well for anyone.  Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria come to mind. :thumbdown:

 

God bless,

Larry

 

With Chuckee gutting the military even further, I'm afraid we won't have enough troops left to even pass out "meals on wheels".  I doubt we'll send troops into this.

 

Don't forget that the US is a republic and republics are socialist.  

 

Is that more of Great Britain's government school propaganda?



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:17 AM

 They're masters of deceit.


Did you get hat from J. Edgar Hoover?;)

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:45 AM

Don't forget, Chuck is one of those "good" Republicans.

 

Ukraine is an important neighbor to Russia, with a very large Russian population. Russia has tried to maintain and build ties with Ukraine. The riots are not fomented by Russia, but news accounts do point to American and other Western agents helping to push such along. As is typical, the rioters aren't righteous freedom lovers as our news declares, (and like they claimed the rioters in Egypt were, the insurgents in Syria, etc.).

 

This is really none of our business. America used to understand staying out of others business and avoiding others conflicts.

 

We need to let other nations settle their own affairs and tend to our own. America is so much running the course Rome ran. While internal Rome was deteriorating, Roman leadership continually sent legions to fight other peoples, to interfere in various others internal matters, to try and dictate to the world around them. While Rome seemed strong outwardly because of her military, she rotted from within. All the while allowing herself to be overrun by immigrants from cultures which didn't share Roman values, rules or ways. Once the rot reached a certain point it was easy for the outsiders in their midst to conquer from within.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:57 AM

America has definitely put her paws into the affairs of other nations for years.  People talk about the RCC being Babylon.  I believe it will be "Religious Babylon", but also believe that the USA will be involved.  Maybe an "Economic Babylon?"  The USA is never mentioned in the Bible, yet every other nation on the planet is.  I wonder why?


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:32 PM

More on the situation in Ukraine:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

 

Looking worser and worser.

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:42 PM

Most nations have gone through what Ukraine is going through now. Eventually this too will pass.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:13 PM

With Chuckee gutting the military even further, I'm afraid we won't have enough troops left to even pass out "meals on wheels".  I doubt we'll send troops into this.

 

 

Is that more of Great Britain's government school propaganda?

 

No sir! It is based on my personal historical studies where I learn that republics are based on Plato's socialist republic.  One thing I noticed is that Plato sought to take the care and education of children from their parents and make it the duty of the state.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:14 PM

I don't know if it has been mentioned (because I can't be bothered reading the whole thread) but I heard that the interim president of the Ukraine is a baptist pastor.

Now with the understanding that there are baptists and then there are baptists...... Anyone know anything about this - and particularly about the bloke himself?

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:33 PM

Invicta,

 

The republic America was formed as wasn't formed as Plato's republic; that's a totally different thing.

 

However, considering the republic in America was wrenched into something else in less than a hundred years, and has only morphed worse since then, there were not enough safeguards in place for the republic to stand. Or, sinful man is incapable of maintaining a republic as was formed in America.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:39 PM

The only thing I saw about the new interim president is that the church he attends, and perhaps sometimes gives sermons at, is part of the Evangelical Baptist Union Of Ukraine.

 

I did notice where he calls himself a conservative, has spoke out against homosexuality, and he doesn't drink or smoke.



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 01:22 PM

Did you get hat from J. Edgar Hoover? ;)

 

Someone finally knows!   :clapping:

 

America has definitely put her paws into the affairs of other nations for years.  People talk about the RCC being Babylon.  I believe it will be "Religious Babylon", but also believe that the USA will be involved.  Maybe an "Economic Babylon?"  The USA is never mentioned in the Bible, yet every other nation on the planet is.  I wonder why?

 

Some say the references to the eagle refers to the USA.

 

No sir! It is based on my personal historical studies where I learn that republics are based on Plato's socialist republic.  One thing I noticed is that Plato sought to take the care and education of children from their parents and make it the duty of the state.

 

John answered it better than I could.  Our Constitutional Republic would only stand while moral and just (saved) people were in charge.  No such safeguards were put in place and elements of socialism quickly took root, chipping away a little each day so gradually most people haven't a clue what they've allowed to happen and what's been lost, let alone the cost in fortune and lives.

 

 

That Baptist Preacher is now in charge:

 

https://flashtraffic...ke-of-violence/






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