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#41 candlelight

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:29 PM

Someone finally knows!   :clapping:

 

 

Some say the references to the eagle refers to the USA.

 

 

John answered it better than I could.  Our Constitutional Republic would only stand while moral and just (saved) people were in charge.  No such safeguards were put in place and elements of socialism quickly took root, chipping away a little each day so gradually most people haven't a clue what they've allowed to happen and what's been lost, let alone the cost in fortune and lives.

 

 

That Baptist Preacher is now in charge:

 

https://flashtraffic...ke-of-violence/

 

I thought that, at one time, too swath.  However, the eagle is also a representative of Rome.  



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:41 PM

I wouldn't put much faith in the new Baptist leader in the Ukraine.  He is the typical one world ecumenical church leader of today. 

His history shows his proclivity for politics and his work for socialist causes and politicians more than his spreading the Gospel of Christ.

 

http://www.bbc.com/n...europe-26316268

 

If you expect good to come from his leadership, I am afraid you will be sorely disappointed.

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 06:45 PM

I know some people working for the Lord in eastern Europe/the '-stans and they tell me that in general the baptist union churches are a domineering group that rule over and control the people.

Doesn't sound very biblical to me.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:25 AM

I thought that, at one time, too swath.  However, the eagle is also a representative of Rome.  

 

Both will be judged rather harshly and they deserve it!



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 10:39 AM

A couple of days ago this news came out and I didn't post it because I wanted to wait and see if it was accurate or not.  I think it has been proven accurate and I am now posting it, though it is old news now.

U.S. and E.U. money has been pumped into this operation to overthrow the government in the Ukraine.  I wonder how much of our money was used to pay these murderous snipers.  Our tax dollars at work?

 

The U.S. will be judged eventually for it's actions.  There are enough biblical examples to assure that it will happen some day.

 

http://www.zerohedge...k-reveals-truth

 

God bless,

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 10:47 AM

People in the US seem to be ignoring what is going on around the borders of Russia.  They think the demonstrations and riots in the Ukraine are no big deal (just another riot).  What is really going on?

 

http://www.paulcraig...-craig-roberts/

 

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What can we do? We aren't going to war with Russia over the Ukraine. 



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 11:40 AM

I think Pilgrim's point is that America and the EU fomented (paid for and stirred up) the riots against a lawfully elected government. They wanted the Ukrainian government to be brought down with the hopes of a pro-EU government taking its place.

 

As is typical, America (and the EU) miscalculated the effects of what they put into motion and now we have the situation as it is.

 

If a similar situation that Russia is facing on their own border, with many of their own people, with their only warm water port, were facing America would America not take actions similar to what Russia is doing?

 

America would be best to stay out of it, and should not have been involved as it was.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 11:40 AM

I hope you are right.  I am not sure our leaders think like you.

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:37 PM

I think Pilgrim's point is that America and the EU fomented (paid for and stirred up) the riots against a lawfully elected government. They wanted the Ukrainian government to be brought down with the hopes of a pro-EU government taking its place.

 

 

America would be best to stay out of it, and should not have been involved as it was.

This is the rumor, bro, but who knows if this is true. 

 

I agree totally with your last statement. 



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 03:57 PM

I did not wish to post this video but I feel it is necessary to establish who is telling the truth about the Maidan snipers.  It clearly shows that the Maidan protesters who were shot by snipers were shot by supposed friends.  It shows protestors being shot in the back with shots being fired from the rear.   

 

http://www.liveleak....=5dc_1393953567

 

If the only news a person has seen has been from the western press and commentators I can see where it will be hard for them to see the truth of what is happening in the Ukraine.  This whole fiasco is about who will control the pipelines and natural gas from the Ukraine and the encirclement of Russia militarily.  The stakes are high for the E.U. as well as for Russia. 

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 07:48 PM

I saw an interview with one of those patrolling Kiev and guarding the Govt buildings.  The reporter said it was a right wing group which had about 240 members. The said they were Ukkranian nationalists, but denied the were fascist. Although he had a swastika cut into his cap and a picture of Hitler on his wall.  He said the enemies of Ukraine were Russians and Jews,  



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 07:50 PM

I thought that, at one time, too swath.  However, the eagle is also a representative of Rome.  

 

And Germany, I believe.  



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 07:55 PM

Early on in the reporting of the demonstrations in Ukraine there were some reports showing what they called neo-nazi involvement. However, since things didn't go the way the media wanted they have turned it into a simplistic "Putin evil" story and spinning the reporting in an effort to bring about American and EU intervention.



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:51 AM

Hillary, Hitler & Cold War II
By Patrick J. Buchanan
 
 
Friday - March 7, 2014

In assessing the motives and actions of Vladimir Putin, Hillary Clinton compared them to Adolf Hitler's. Almost always a mistake.

After 12 years in power, Hitler was dead, having slaughtered millions and conquered Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals.

And Putin? After 13 years in power, and facing a crisis in Ukraine, he directed his soldiers in the Crimea to take control of the small peninsula where Russia has berthed its Black Sea fleet since Napoleon.

To the Wall Street Journal this is a "blitzkrieg."

But as of now, this is a less bloody affair than Andrew Jackson's acquisition of our Florida peninsula. In 1818, Gen. Jackson was shooting Indians, putting the Spanish on boats to Cuba and hanging Brits. And we Americans loved it.

Still, there are parallels between what motivates Putin, a Russian nationalist, and what motivated the Austrian corporal. Hitler's war began in blazing resentment at what was done to Germany after Nov. 11, 1918.

The Kaiser's armies had defeated the Russian Empire, and the Italians at Caporetto, and fought the Western Allies to a stand still in France, until two million Americans turned the tide in 1918. When Berlin accepted an armistice on President Wilson's Fourteen Points, not a single Allied soldier stood on German soil.

But, at Paris, the Allies proceeded to tear a disarmed Germany apart. The whole German Empire was confiscated. Eupen and Malmedy were carved out of Germany and given to Belgium. Alsace-Lorraine was taken by France. South Tyrol was severed from Austria and given to Italy. A new Czechoslovakia was given custody of 3.25 million Sudeten Germans.

The German port of Danzig was handed over to the new Poland, which was also given an 80-mile wide strip cut out of Germany from Silesia to the sea, slicing her in two.

The Germans were told they could not form an economic union with Austria, could not have an army of more than 100,000 soldiers, and could not put soldiers west of the Rhine, in their own country.

Perhaps this Carthaginian peace was understandable given the Allied losses. It was also madness if the Allies wanted an enduring peace.

Gen. Hans Von Seeckt predicted what would happen. When we regain our power, he said, "we will naturally take back everything we lost."

When Hitler came to power in 1933, he wrote off the lands lost to Belgium, France and Italy -- he wanted no war with the West -- but set out to recapture lost German lands and peoples in the East.

He imposed conscription in 1935, sent his soldiers back into the Rhineland in 1936, annexed Austria in 1938, demanded and got the return of the Sudeten Germans from Czechoslovakia at Munich in 1938.

He then sought to negotiate with the Polish colonels, who had joined in carving up Czechoslovakia, a return of Danzig, when the British issued a war guarantee to Warsaw stiffening Polish spines.

Enraged by Polish intransigence, Hitler attacked.

Britain and France declared war. The rest is history.

What has this to do with Putin?

He, too, believes his country was humiliated and shabbily treated after the Cold War, and sees himself as protector of the ethnic Russians left behind when the Soviet Union came apart.

Between 1989 and 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev had freed the captive nations of Eastern Europe, allowed the Soviet Union to dissolve into 15 nations, and had held out a hand of friendship to the Americans.

What did we do? Moved NATO right onto Russia's front porch. We brought all the liberated nations of Eastern Europe into our military alliance, along with three former Soviet republics.

The War Party tried to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO, which was established to contain and, if necessary, fight Russia. Had they succeeded, we could have been at war with Russia in 2008 over Georgia and South Ossetia, and today over Crimea.

Now we hear new calls for Ukraine and Georgia to be brought into NATO. Are these people sane?

Five U.S. presidents who faced far more violent actions by a far more dangerous Soviet Union -- Truman, Ike, JFK, Johnson, Reagan -- refused even to threaten force against Russia for anything east of the Elbe river.

These presidents ruled out force during the Berlin Blockade of 1948, the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961, the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, and the smashing of Solidarity in Poland in 1981.

Yet, today, we are committed to go to war for Lithuania and Estonia, Obama is sending F-16s to Latvia where half a million Russians live, and the War Party wants Sixth Fleet warships moved into the Black Sea.

If there is a Cold War II, or a U.S.-Russia war, historians of tomorrow will as surely point to the Bushes and Clintons who shoved NATO into Moscow's face, as historians today point to the men of Paris who imposed the Versailles treaty upon a defeated Germany in 1919.
 

Read More At: http://buchanan.org/...old-war-ii-6280



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:53 AM

UKRAINE FORESHADOWS AMERICA WITHIN 30 YEARS

 

 

By Frosty Wooldridge
March 6, 2014
NewsWithViews.com

 

Don’t you find it interesting that Ukraine suffers a civil war right now? How did a united country become a disunited country? What occurred that caused enough people to lean toward Western thinking and democracy, while the other half leaned toward Mother Russia and authoritarian rule?

 

If you look around, it stems from mass immigration of Russians, their culture and their language into the Ukraine—slowly, but effectively throwing the edge toward Putin’s power.

 

Obama and Kerry can “high brow” and pontificate all they want, but they hold no power whatsoever in the outcome.

Don’t fool yourself, by 2042, Mexicans and Latinos in America will become the dominant demographic number at 51 percent, culture and language displacing American English. That’s correct, the current influx of Latinos into America will outnumber the current European-Americans within 29 years.

 

I am astounded that we think we shall escape the same fate of internal civil unrest now being experienced in the Ukraine.

If you want to see what it looks like, watch these two videos:

 

In a five minute astoundingly simple yet brilliant video, “Immigration, Poverty, and Gum Balls”, Roy Beck, director of www.numbersusa.ORG, graphically illustrates the impact of overpopulation. Take five minutes to see for yourself: “Immigration by the numbers—off the chart” by Roy Beck

 

This 10 minute demonstration shows Americans the results of unending mass immigration on the quality of life and sustainability for future generations: in a few words, “Mind boggling!” www.NumbersUSA.org

 

A reader wrote me, “Ukraine is a lot like America. They are caught in a bind. They are in a civil war and outer war at the same time. Too many Russians have infiltrated Ukraine through the years of which Russian culture and Russian language have undermined Ukrainian language and culture. Many of todays demonstrators are Fascists in Ukraine--too many. Too few “freedomists” are demonstrating. It’s a mess , what do they do? The “freedomists” either rise, or go back to sleep and Ukraine become all Russia. Same here in America. Eventually, we will become MOSTLY Mexico!!! The greedy sellout tea-pubs brought them in for cheap labor, bringing in their contempt upon America of which their birthrate multiplies like lightning and Spanish becomes the prominent language. We allowed our own demise.”

 

One look at southern California shows you schools being taught in Spanish because more Mexican kids attend that American kids. Remember this: a language defines how a person thinks. Another look at Arizona, New Mexico and Texas show you exactly the same demographic takeover. Spanish dominates and Spanish flourishes. And, with it, the same kind of thinking, culture, acting and resultant poverty so dominant in Latin America.

 

Scant few Americans understand how fast we lose this country to mass immigration. Within another 36 years, expect no less than 20 to 30 million Muslims immigrants and their children. Their numbers will trump our laws, our culture and our language.

In 1899, Winston Churchill said, “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

 

I’d say he put that mildly when you think of all the terror Muslims have committed in the world since 1972. They slaughter their own and they slaughter the rest of us when appropriate. The Muslim inspired Boston Marathon bombings give a taste of our future unrest with 20 to 30 million Muslims living in America within three decades.

 

“Immigrants devoted to their own cultures and religions are not influenced by the secular politically correct fae that dominates academia, news-media, entertainment, education, religious and political thinking today,” said James Walsh, former Associate General Counsel of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service. “They claim the right not to assimilate, and the day is coming when the question will be how can the United States regulate the defiantly unassimilated cultures, religions and mores of foreign lands? Such immigrants say their traditions trump the U.S. legal system. Balkanization of the United States has begun.”

Like sheep, we watch the wolf slaughter the lamb in the next pasture via today's Ukraine, never imagining that he’s got one eye on us for his next meal.

 

http://www.newswithv...e/frosty936.htm



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:22 AM

Hillary Clinton compares Vladimir Putin to Adolph Hitler?  She must have conveniently forgot about her part in Benghazi.  HA!  Not to mention all the people that "conveniently" dropped dead in the Clinton Administration.



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 11:31 AM

More about the Right in Ukraine from the BBC:

 

 

Not only against ethnic russians but jews.

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 11:33 AM

The right? Actually, the far, far, left...



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 12:01 PM

The reason the Left claimes Nazis and neo-nazis' to be Rightists is because of their nationalist viewpoints. Other than that, the broad socialist aspects of the Nazis is strictly Leftist.

 

Rather ironic how the West promotes democracy as the answer to everything yet when a leader or political party they don't like get legally, democratically elected they fight and scheme to oust those they don't like so they can be replaced by those who will do their bidding; and all this in anything other than a democratic fashion.

 

As often happens, the West eventually finds out they have backed militants, nazis, Islamists and such like who make a mess of things yet the West never seems to learn.

 

America and the EU provoked the uprising expecting everything would somehow just follow their playbook and the Ukrainian president would cave in and do things their way or give in and hold new elections that could be swung in the EUs favor; all while expecting Putin to sit it out.

 

Our government, and those running the EU are obviously living in their own fantasyland.



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Posted 07 March 2014 - 12:04 PM

The right? Actually, the far, far, left...

Actually if one goes far enough left one will be on the right.  :blink:

 

God bless,

Larry






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