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#101 swathdiver

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 03:31 PM


 

 

 

Weird things going on up there Matt!  

 

Obama has given the code words to let Putin know he can do whatever he wants in that region.  That means that while he might oppose them politically and militarily, he will not let the military win.  It's the same old playbook they've been using for a hundred years.


Edited by swathdiver, 26 March 2014 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:47 AM

Obama has given the code words to let Putin know he can do whatever he wants in that region.  That means that while he might oppose them politically and militarily, he will not let the military win.  It's the same old playbook they've been using for a hundred years.

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"You will support it from our lands in the north while I gain English favor by condemning it, and ordering it opposed from our lands in the south."

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

Does anyone remember when BO was a senator and worked to disarm Ukraine in 2005?....

 

I missed that one, HC.  Can you expand on it?



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 09:27 AM

I missed that one, HC.  Can you expand on it?

Certainly.  Here is an article regarding it - sadly, the former GOP Senator from Indiana, Lugar, was also part of it.  His close alliance with BO was one of the reasons he was defeated in the last senatorial election (even though the media still tries to portray it as being because he didn't live here anymore...Neither did Dan Coats, but he was recruited to move back here and won handily, so that wasn't it [believe me, I was very involved in it, and I know...]). Sadly, the media went into overdrive with lies, and even Christians voted for Donnelly instead of Mourdock.  Ah, well...

 

Anyway, back to your question (this article was written in 2005):  http://www.fas.org/a.../LugarObama.htm

They visited Ukraine together, viewed their weapons, and called for the destruction of them. Of course, it sounds wonderful when they talk about all those weapons terrorists like to get, etc.  But if they had those weapons now, they'd be able to protect themselves.   Use the code words "terrorists" or "it's for the children" and they can destroy anything they want...

 

Here's another article. I'm going to post a quote of it here because there are some advertisements on the page that are inappropriate.  This is the site address, though, since I'm quoting it (this article was written today):  http://www.dailymail...es-Ukraine.html

 

 

As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding {NOTE THAT: our tax dollars were used...HC] to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea.

In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site.

The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.

Photographs from the trip show Obama inspecting a plant where Soviet-era artillery shells and shoulder-fired missiles were collecting dust, leftovers dumped in Ukraine after the USSR withdrew from Eastern bloc nations after the once-mighty communist nation fell apart.

The United Nations had already identified some 7 million small arms and light weapons, and 2 million tons of conventional ammunition, warehoused in more than 80 weapons depots spread across the country.

Many of the artillery shells shown in photographs from Donetsk, multiple weapons experts told MailOnline, would be the same types of ammunition required to repel advancing Russian divisions as they advanced to the west, had they not been destroyed.

Two experts said the ammunition, particularly small-arms rounds, would have been useful to train Ukraine's armed forces and million-strong reserves.

'Vast stocks of conventional munitions and military supplies have accumulated in Ukraine,' Obama said in am August 30, 2005 statement from Donetsk. 'Some of this stockpile dates from World War I and II, yet most dates from Cold War buildup and the stocks left behind by Soviet withdrawals from East Germany, the Czech Republic, Hungry and Poland.'

'We need to eliminate these stockpiles for the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world.'

More than a year later, President George W. Bush signed into law a proposal authored by Obama and Lugar. [Trio of "peacekeepers.Ha! HC]

Obama said then that the existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program 'has effectively disposed of thousands of weapons of mass destruction, but we must do far more to keep deadly conventional weapons like anti-aircraft missiles out of the hands of terrorists.'

Much of the Ukrainian small-arms supply was ultimately exported, not scrapped, by a Yushchenko regime that chose revenue from arms dealing over the cost of melting down metal.

In 2008 the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute reported that between 2004 and 2007, the Ukrainian Export Control Service told the UN that it sent 721,777 small arms and light weapons to 27 different countries. 

The United States was the top recipient, with more than 260,000 of those weapons, followed by the UK and Libya, which each imported more than 101,000.

That flood of weapons exports has continued, with annual export records showing hundreds of thousands of new exports each year, covering everything from pistols and carbine rifles to heavy machine guns and anti-tank weapons.



But while today's 130,000-strong standing Ukrainian military isn't short on AK-47s, Russian troops have met little to no large-scale resistance from armored divisions or heavy artillery as they steamrolled their way into Crimea.

Some of that was Ukraine's own doing – it sold 320 tanks to Pakistan in the 1990s, for instance – but Obama and Lugar accelerated the pace of the country's arms liquidation.

While the Ukrainian army seems to have been careful to avoid provoking an even larger conflict, it's impossible to know whether Putin would have behaved differently in the face of columns of heavy weapons that once belonged to the Soviet Union in whose KGB he held a high-ranking position.

Sky News video broadcast on Tuesday showed Russian troops firing automatic weapons over the heads of apparently unarmed Ukrainian Air Force personnel near a contested airfield in Crimea.


 


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 09:43 AM

Just when I think I have heard it all about Obama, something new crops up.  Thanks for sharing, HC.  When Obama first popped on the scene, I investigated him.  I smelled a rat from the start.  Obama is also George Soros' and Henry Kissinger's puppet.  I believe they are the "Puppet Masters."  Kissinger is grooming him as leader of the New World Order.  Somehow, I don't think it is going to happen, though.  The Democrats are even jumping ship on Obama.  If he doesn't pull Martial Law, he will be out in two years, as John said.  If Bible Believing Christians don't unify and vote for candidates like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, I believe we are done as a nation, and also as a world.  We need to take this country back to it's Constitutional roots, or it is drastically going to change us, and we will become a socialist country.  



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:10 AM

Just when I think I have heard it all about Obama, something new crops up.  Thanks for sharing, HC.  When Obama first popped on the scene, I investigated him.  I smelled a rat from the start.  Obama is also George Soros' and Henry Kissinger's puppet.  I believe they are the "Puppet Masters."  Kissinger is grooming him as leader of the New World Order.  Somehow, I don't think it is going to happen, though.  The Democrats are even jumping ship on Obama.  If he doesn't pull Martial Law, he will be out in two years, as John said.  If Bible Believing Christians don't unify and vote for candidates like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, I believe we are done as a nation, and also as a world.  We need to take this country back to it's Constitutional roots, or it is drastically going to change us, and we will become a socialist country.  

Ted Cruz for what office?



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:39 AM

Ted Cruz for what office?

POTUS...and, yes, he is qualified.  :biggrin:



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 01:29 PM

POTUS...and, yes, he is qualified.  :biggrin:

 

Thanks, HC!  :)



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:28 PM

Without force, this nation is already done for, it's already fallen off the cliff.






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