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Poll: Do You Believe There Was Not Rain Before The Flood Of Noah? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you believe there was no rain before the Flood of Noah?

  1. Yes (11 votes [68.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.75%

  2. No (5 votes [31.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.25%

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#1 AVBibleBeliever

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 01:49 PM

Please give an answer tothe question that best fit your poll answer.

 

Why do you believe there was no rain before the flood of Noah?

 

Why do you believe there was rain before the flood of Noah?

 

 

Please answer the POLL

 

After enough people have answered the POLL I will share with you the truth.


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 19 February 2014 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:14 PM

No rain... The Bible states there wasn't.

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:15 PM

No rain... The Bible states there wasn't.

you didn't vote on the poll



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:20 PM

Is a poll gonna change the truth? No mention of God saying it would rain until the account of the flood.

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ, 19 February 2014 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:42 PM

Ok Just for you I will give you the truth.

 

Yes there was rain before the flood of Noah.

 

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

 

The only time there was no man to till the ground was before day six through day seven.  Once Adam was placed in the garden part of his job was to tend it and keep it.  that would include tilling.  but they sinned on the eighth day (me personal belief) and they were expelled and from that point on God says, Gen 3:17-19 ΒΆ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;  Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.  the whole gist here is that as he sowed the ground it would bring forth thorns and thistles and that he would have to eat the herbs of the fields (not those in the garden). 

 

And Cain was a farmer, Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.  there it is a divine cross reference of the word till/tiller of the ground. 

 

So in conclusion Adam and Cain were tillers of the ground and so it rained after the eighth day and had rained until the day of the great flood.  because not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.  it would seem that as long as there was not a man to till the ground God did not let it rain only a mist went up to water the ground.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:43 PM

I believe it cannot be stated dogmatically. Gen 2:5-6 indicate that prior to crating Adam, God had not made it rain. This, however, does not rule out rain in the pre-Flood world and does not give any indication one way or the other. It would be an assumption to say it absolutely did and it would be an assumption to say that it absolutely did not. It is, however, hard to imagine that the sun in the pre-Flood world would not evaporate water which would condense into clouds and subsequently rain. However, the Bible doesn't say either way so I can't justify a dogmatic yes or no.

 

I didn't vote because there are only 2-options and don't think either one accurately reflects my position.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:47 PM

Genesis 2 and Hebrews 11 come to mind.

 

The earth was a VERY different place before the flood.  As Hovind has said, what we see is a junk yard compared to a pre-flood earth.  If Genesis 1 suggests an ice shield in our atmosphere, then in all probability the earth was misted (as the Lord had written) and there was no rain until the flood.

 

Adam had no need to till the ground until he sinned and was thrown out of the garden.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:51 PM

I believe it cannot be stated dogmatically. Gen 2:5-6 indicate that prior to crating Adam, God had not made it rain. This, however, does not rule out rain in the pre-Flood world and does not give any indication one way or the other. It would be an assumption to say it absolutely did and it would be an assumption to say that it absolutely did not. It is, however, hard to imagine that the sun in the pre-Flood world would not evaporate water which would condense into clouds and subsequently rain. However, the Bible doesn't say either way so I can't justify a dogmatic yes or no.

 

I didn't vote because there are only 2-options and don't think either one accurately reflects my position.

I don't understand why people think that the weather was any different than it is today.  The bible does not say there was a cloud covering over the earth and if there was how could they see the stars which were for times, seasons and signs.

 

One of the errors of some like Hovind and Morris is in thinking that the atmosphere was different before the flood than after. 

 

One thing I know it has never rained 40 days and 40 nights any where since then



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:51 PM

Genesis 2 and Hebrews 11 come to mind.

 

The earth was a VERY different place before the flood.  As Hovind has said, what we see is a junk yard compared to a pre-flood earth.  If Genesis 1 suggests an ice shield in our atmosphere, then in all probability the earth was misted (as the Lord had written) and there was no rain until the flood.

 

Adam had no need to till the ground until he sinned and was thrown out of the garden.

How can you prove that with scriptures



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:53 PM

Genesis 2 and Hebrews 11 come to mind.

 

The earth was a VERY different place before the flood.  As Hovind has said, what we see is a junk yard compared to a pre-flood earth.  If Genesis 1 suggests an ice shield in our atmosphere, then in all probability the earth was misted (as the Lord had written) and there was no rain until the flood.

 

Adam had no need to till the ground until he sinned and was thrown out of the garden.

if there was an ice shield then why aren't we told about it in the six days of the work of God.  surely he would want us to know that?

 

they could not identify the stars if an ice shield was in the atmosphere.

 

Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun and that would include the pre-flood world.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 02:55 PM

so now we get into what one person called it in the How old is the earth thread vain imaginations.

 

That is the reason I started this thread is because you scoff at my observation of the earth in Genesis 1:-2 but embrace it in Hovind and Morris view of the earth.


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 19 February 2014 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 03:16 PM

I don't understand why people think that the weather was any different than it is today.  The bible does not say there was a cloud covering over the earth and if there was how could they see the stars which were for times, seasons and signs.

 

One of the errors of some like Hovind and Morris is in thinking that the atmosphere was different before the flood than after. 

 

One thing I know it has never rained 40 days and 40 nights any where since then

 

I can't imagine it being much different either and lean toward the view that it did rain before the Flood, but you can't prove anything from Scripture. It is pure conjecture to assert either position as definitive.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 03:31 PM

Genesis 1:10 (KJV)
10  And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 

 

Genesis 1:22 (KJV)
22  And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 

 

I find it difficult to think of oceans and rivers without rain or precipitation of some type.  



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 03:32 PM

I can't imagine it being much different either and lean toward the view that it did rain before the Flood, but you can't prove anything from Scripture. It is pure conjecture to assert either position as definitive.

But it is logical conjecture based on the scriptures.

 

Swath, Hebrews 11 does not speak about mist or rain. 



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 03:34 PM

Genesis 1:10 (KJV)
10  And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 

 

Genesis 1:22 (KJV)
22  And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 

 

I find it difficult to think of oceans and rivers without rain or precipitation of some type.  

that is true there are rivers in Genesis two and Solomon clearly stated and I loosely phrase it, that the rain came down flowed to the sea and it returned again.  When rain flows into the sea it does so by streams brooks, wadis (for you Greekaholics), and rivers.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 03:43 PM

But it is logical conjecture based on the scriptures.

 

 

Logical conjecture is still conjecture and not indisputable fact and thus should not be the basis of dogmatic doctrine.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 05:28 PM

Well maybe I should not be writing this because it is just my conjecture, but I will anyway.

The one thing which makes me think the climate wa radically different after the flood than before is the rapid deteriation in the life span of man.  That is shown in the bible by the genealogies. 

Why?  Well my guess is that the loss of cloud cover and the increase in solar radiations reaching the surface would have caused changes in both animal and plant life.  I could be wrong, but hey, you asked me.

Right or wrong it does not effect my salvation or my life one way or the other except maybe some will call me a nut.  But then in some peoples eyes I am a nut for reading the bible in the first place. :icon_smile:

 

So anyway, for there to be a loss of cloud cover there had to be a lot more cloud cover before the flood.  Also one of the reasons that some poo poo the Noah flood is because today there is not enough water vapor in the firmament to flood the earth to the extent that is described in the biblical account.  I know during the flood there was also water released from underground aquifers also during the flood but that is not part of the question.

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 05:37 PM

You can see through ice, especially if God wants you too.  The verse that comes to mind said something about separating the waters from the waters and putting a firmament between them.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 05:37 PM

I don't understand why people think that the weather was any different than it is today.  The bible does not say there was a cloud covering over the earth and if there was how could they see the stars which were for times, seasons and signs.

 

One of the errors of some like Hovind and Morris is in thinking that the atmosphere was different before the flood than after. 

 

One thing I know it has never rained 40 days and 40 nights any where since then

Actually, there is scientific evidence of the weather being different than today, world-wide. Tropical forests at the poles, flash-frozen mammoths with greens still in their mouths and stomachs, found on the poles and other perpetually frozen areas; oxygen samples found in amber that show 50% more oxygen in the air; dinosaur nostrils that could not sustain animals of their size in today's oxygen and air pressure; animals that grew consistently larger than today, indicating more oxygen, higher air pressure and longer life. Shall we go on? Why did tarantulas get 3' across, dragonflies have 5' wingspans, rhinos and sloths grew to 18" tall, and tons of evidence of entire races of giant humans all over the earth? Only with greater age and more oxygen. As we lost those things, I believe due to sin and the change of the atmosphere after the flood, we lived shorter lives, and have grown smaller.

 

As for rain before the flood, who knows? There could have been, or the mist could have continued to water the ground. Ther serse doesn't give man tilling the ground as a reason for the mist, only because no rain had fallen, AND there was no man to till. he could till in the mist just as well as the rain. So maybe it did, maybe it didn't. let's stop trying to make dogmatic doctrines where none exist.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 05:55 PM

men did not live longer and longer lives from Genesis 3 to the flood.






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