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#1 seeker

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:45 AM

I am new to this site.  Have been exploring the topic of predestination.  Can we post links to other places that have helped us.  I found a place that explains the topic very well. 



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:01 AM

I don't think that is advisable.  But the Moderators will assist you with that.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:27 AM

Howdy!



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:45 AM

Welcome



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:45 AM

Welcome. General posts would go in "The Lounge" I think.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:48 AM

Predestination is a Biblical doctrine, so there's no problem with discussing it. It's the Calvinist/Reformed distortion of it that's the problem.

I have some technical articles on it, but here's a good start:

http://faithfulmenof...estination.html



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:20 PM

Welcome to OB, Seeker.  I would check the link that Dr. Ach posted above first.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:37 PM

I am new to this site.  Have been exploring the topic of predestination.  Can we post links to other places that have helped us.  I found a place that explains the topic very well. 

 

Welcome, seeker! As this is a discussion forum, why don't you try discussing the topic here first? We've got rather a few wise people around that can give you some good Biblical perspectives on the issue.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:54 PM

HEY! SEEKER!

 

Welcome aboard :)



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 01:48 PM

Predestination is a Biblical doctrine, so there's no problem with discussing it. It's the Calvinist/Reformed distortion of it that's the problem.

I have some technical articles on it, but here's a good start:

http://faithfulmenof...estination.html

But it is not held by many who are IFB.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:16 AM

hi new to here and welcome to all
 

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:48 AM

I am new to this site.  Have been exploring the topic of predestination.  Can we post links to other places that have helped us.  I found a place that explains the topic very well. 

Predestination is fairly easy. The entire topic is in relation to who God is. His omniscience (knowing all things)  lets Him know the ending right from the very start. Therefore if we're saved at the end of it all then we were predestined from God's point of view because He knew it already.

 

BUT, He loved the whole world and gave His Son so that no one should have to perish.

 

No one goes to heaven just because they're "picked". We were all picked by God to be so precious that He would come down and die to make a way to Himself. But you have to choose Jesus to get there. That's why I like the KJV wording of John 3:16 when He says SHOULD not perish. It's not "will not" or "shall not". It's left open to the individual. The devils believe and tremble (James 2:19)

 

Oh, A BIG welcome to all the new people as well.


Edited by paid4, 14 April 2014 - 06:51 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 01:21 PM

I am new to this site.  Have been exploring the topic of predestination.  Can we post links to other places that have helped us.  I found a place that explains the topic very well. 

 

 

 

hi new to here and welcome to all

 

 

Howdy!  Why don't you folks introduce yourselves?  Tell us a little about you and share your testimony.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:53 PM

In God's "master plan", those who get saved will experience progressive sanctification, conformity to the image of Christ and ultimately adoption and inheritance. Predestination is always spoken of in plural pronouns like "you", "we", "us", "them" etc. so it is always speaking about a group; never individuals. When "whosoever will"  believes on Jesus, he/she becomes a part of this group and therefore his/her end result will be conformity to the image of Christ and all the promised blessings that go with that.. God will receive glory because He "designed" the whole plan, and because He so richly deserves it. But.....He will share that glory with us, even though we don't deserve it.

 

The Devil, on the other hand, wants people to believe the lie that God's chief desire is "glory" at all costs, and that predestination means He predetermined certain ones to salvation and predetermined certain others to damnation, from before the foundation of the world, for some kind of "glory". This is false glory and a total perversion of what "predestination" is.

 

God dealt with the heart of Felix, but Felix put Him off. He begged "oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem" but they "would not", Can I say that God will receive far more glory, than the one of the Calvinistic model, when it is revealed that He was not exclusive and that He so freely and graciously offered salvation and the blessings of eternal life to every single person who has ever lived.  None will have any excuse.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:05 PM

I am new to this site.  Have been exploring the topic of predestination.  Can we post links to other places that have helped us.  I found a place that explains the topic very well.


Hello, welcome, and good luck!  :nuts:



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:18 PM

Like 'Election'. Election in surely a biblical doctrine, but it must be understood correctly.

 

I liken it to an earthly election: A president is elected, but not against his will. An office is available, and he/she puts forth their desire to be elected to that office. Those with the authority choose then who will be elected.

 

Spiritually, we hear that a 'position' is available in the kingdom of God as on of His children, and desiring that, we put forth our desire, calling upon the Lord for salvation. The Lord elects who He will, which praise God is "Whosoever will". All who call are elected!



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:32 PM

Like 'Election'. Election in surely a biblical doctrine, but it must be understood correctly.

I liken it to an earthly election: A president is elected, but not against his will. An office is available, and he/she puts forth their desire to be elected to that office. Those with the authority choose then who will be elected.

Spiritually, we hear that a 'position' is available in the kingdom of God as on of His children, and desiring that, we put forth our desire, calling upon the Lord for salvation. The Lord elects who He will, which praise God is "Whosoever will". All who call are elected!

The traditional meaning of election would be that those under authority, elect the authority.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:29 PM

Actually, according to Webster's 1828 dictionary (which is about as traditional as it gets), election is the act of choosing, esp. choosing one among others. The political sense we use it in nowadays is only one application among many, and shouldn't be used to define the term.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:24 AM

My point is that in pretty much all cases the one elected is not elected, save that he has sought that election, not had it forced upon him. except maybe in the military but thats a different animal.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:40 AM

Ah uh, but even the one elected into the.military could not have been elected had he never been born.

So it is with man. Man does not become elect until he is born from above.




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