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#21 swathdiver

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:17 PM

No consensus here on how one is saved and all say the bible says this and that. God uses different means but all through Christ. But there has to be knowledge of the new birth, a point where a person has been born again. If we love God then we love others. You can't make the bible tell you that you are saved, for it is something that the Holy spirit does In your heart.

 

There certainly is a consensus Donillo.  We are saved by grace, by making repentance towards God and putting our faith in, turning our lives over to Jesus Christ.  There is no work we can do to get into heaven, none of deserve it, our best works are as filthy rags.  There is none righteous, no not one.  We are only righteous through the blood of Jesus Christ and only once has made repentance towards God and put his faith in the Savior.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:34 PM

Interesting question.

 

But I think you have to back up a minute.  What does salvation mean?  This is something I am not sure I entirely know the answer to.  When I was a child, I was taught a person is saved by saying a prayer repeated after a preacher or friend.  I now no longer believe that.  Salvation is much more complex.  I do not think it is a one time thing, but an on going process.  To start the process, one must make a decision to become a disciple or follower of Jesus.  But God will work on them throughout their entire lives. 

 

So what does it mean that one "got saved?"  I honestly do not know.  I really hate that term.  I prefer to say once made a decision to follow or become a disciple of Jesus. 

 

Yes, a single event is part of salvation.  Even children raised in the church, such as my own, who follow Jesus as far as they can understand, will have to decide to become a disciple on their own.  Right now, I have planted them in fertile soil and hope that faith takes root. It very well might.  I have a friend who is a clear follower of Jesus who never remembers not believing.  It was something he grew into and at some point decided to make his own.  So when was he saved?  I don't know but I do know he is a follower of Jesus.  I had another friend in college who grew into faith during a summer when he took a New Testament class.  He did not "pray a prayer," but there was undoubtedly a change.  Yet one of my good friends who "prayed a prayer" at 9 years old is not a follower of Christ and is a self proclaimed agnostic today.  so salvation is a very complicated thing. 

 

Yet it is so simple as well.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:01 PM

Interesting question.

 

But I think you have to back up a minute.  What does salvation mean?  This is something I am not sure I entirely know the answer to.  When I was a child, I was taught a person is saved by saying a prayer repeated after a preacher or friend.  I now no longer believe that.  Salvation is much more complex.  I do not think it is a one time thing, but an on going process.  To start the process, one must make a decision to become a disciple or follower of Jesus.  But God will work on them throughout their entire lives. 

 

So what does it mean that one "got saved?"  I honestly do not know.  I really hate that term.  I prefer to say once made a decision to follow or become a disciple of Jesus. 

 

Yes, a single event is part of salvation.  Even children raised in the church, such as my own, who follow Jesus as far as they can understand, will have to decide to become a disciple on their own.  Right now, I have planted them in fertile soil and hope that faith takes root. It very well might.  I have a friend who is a clear follower of Jesus who never remembers not believing.  It was something he grew into and at some point decided to make his own.  So when was he saved?  I don't know but I do know he is a follower of Jesus.  I had another friend in college who grew into faith during a summer when he took a New Testament class.  He did not "pray a prayer," but there was undoubtedly a change.  Yet one of my good friends who "prayed a prayer" at 9 years old is not a follower of Christ and is a self proclaimed agnostic today.  so salvation is a very complicated thing. 

 

Yet it is so simple as well.

 

I'm so sorry to hear you say this KOB.

 

Man has made the Gospel complex and wrong by adding works to it.  

 

The moment a person makes repentance towards God and puts their trust in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit immediately indwells them and their name is written in the book of life.  They cannot lose their salvation.

 

Salvation is NOT a process, sanctification is.

 

Now what does "repentance" (in the context of salvation) and "faith" (in the context of salvation) mean?



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:53 PM

13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.   Romans 10:13-17

 

Salvation in a nutshell. Someone must go and preach, so the lost can hear and believe. Even with Paul, Jesus Himself went and preached to him, so to speak. And when they believe, they call for salvation and are saved.

 

Just "praying a prayer' is not it. Calling upon the Lord IS a part of it, but so is belief, and know WHAT to believe. Don't got to know everything, clearly, but even the proverbial child k nows when they have done wrong and that punishment will come if things are not made right. That's why I remember my sister, as a child, smacking my brother in the head right in front of my father, then running up to my father and saying, "I love you, daddy!". She knew she was in trouble and was trying, vainly, to make it right before punishment fell. So we must know who God is, know why we are in trouble and what has been done about it, so we can seek forgiveness and salvation. A single event, though growth is a life-long thing.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 03:05 PM

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures:  1 Corinthians 15:3-4

 

Christ died for OUR sins (took them upon himself)

and then ROSE from the dead (satisfying God).

When you first know this, then you have to make a "decision".

Either you recognize God's forgiveness and apply it to yourself, or your sin remains "upon yourself".

The "ego" must "die", or your pride will prevent you from receiving forgivness and eternal life.


Edited by beameup, 07 April 2014 - 03:08 PM.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 03:29 PM

No, on that day I made repentance toward God and put my faith in Jesus Christ.

 

There is more, some time earlier my wife had given to me the book, The Case for Christ, I read it to disprove once and for all God and the bible.  I didn't win and thank heavens for that!

 

My only memory of someone witnessing to me (the exact conversation is lost, don't even know if it was biblical) was at the BEQ lounge at Glenview Naval Air Station in the summer of 1986.  That night a former sailor and wanderer told me he traveled the country going wherever the Lord needed him to go.  He talked to me about the Lord but I soon changed the topic.  I was the chief mocker of all things God in my family, though while in uniform I faked it.  Used to make sport out of running those anti-abortion people off the sidewalks with my muscle car; it's a miracle that God chose to forgive all that I had done against him and still keeps my name in the book despite all the wrongs I continue to do.  Were there others?  I cannot remember, there were certainly some I never gave a second's worth of my time to try though.  

 

Just as the savage in the jungle is responsible to God, my salvation was similar.

 

Ah, got it bro, thanks. KInd reply too.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:44 PM

No consensus here on how one is saved and all say the bible says this and that. God uses different means but all through Christ. But there has to be knowledge of the new birth, a point where a person has been born again. If we love God then we love others. You can't make the bible tell you that you are saved, for it is something that the Holy spirit does In your heart.

l John 5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:28 AM

I agree that many children are forced into salvation.  I have seen it in my church.  I remember my niece, going to the altar, after an invitation by an evangelist, remaining kneeling at the altar.  One of the woman went to the altar to pray with her.  My FIL had good intentions, but he asked this woman, "Did she get saved, did she get saved?"   The woman said, "No.  She didn't put her faith and trust in Jesus Christ."  My niece was very young.  Several years later, her younger brother professed to be saved.  Then, she immediately said that she was saved.  I watch them in church.  Neither of them take a song book to sing.  Neither of them take their Bibles to church.  I truly do not think they are saved.  I believe it was sibling rivalry with them.  My nephew decided he would say he got saved, then his older sister followed.

In the IFB church that I was a member of for 4 years, they don't push salvation upon the children.  They wait patiently on the Holy Spirit to do His job.  Many of those children were in their teenage years before they got saved.  However, they show fruits of their salvation and they also know the way to get to heaven is by faith in Jesus Christ.

I have talked with my pastor's wife about how many church members push the children into salvation, when they aren't convicted of the Holy Spirit.  Many teenagers and adults, in my church, have come forward years later, and confessed they needed to know Christ as Personal Saviour.  Well meaning parents and grandparents should step back and let the Holy Spirit work, rather than pushing the Spirit.

This takes me back to when I thought I was saved in 1998.  A Baptist friend had me say the "Sinners Prayer."  I thought I was saved.  I bought a KJV Bible and began to read and study it.  I began witnessing to people, as well.  It wasn't until I gained head knowledge in my church that I was saved May 10, 2003 (Mother's Day Weekend) in the hospital after an Epileptic Seizure.  I told everyone I came into contact with that weekend, in my hospital bed, that I was a born again Christian.  I also chased away a few doctors who came to check on me.  The hospital finally sent in a former Baptist preacher to talk to me.  We prayed together and the Holy Spirit reassured me of my salvation.      



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:52 AM

Our wayward son was in attendance at an evangelistic service when he was 16 or 17 and I do believe he was under Holy Ghost conviction but he was fighting it. The helpers (I don't recall what they actually called them) who spoke with him afterward used a good deal of emotional appeal with him and talked him into saying a "sinners prayer" and proclaimed him saved.

 

Afterward he said all the right things but something to me didn't seem right, though I hoped for the best. It didn't take long before the emotion of it all wore off and it was evident there had been no repentance, no change of heart, no surrendering to Christ. He once again told me the same thing he had told me on previous occasions when I had shared the Gospel with him and talked with him about it. Unfortunately, that's still his position today.

 

According to our wayward son, he does believe Jesus is who the Bible says He is and does believe Jesus is the only way of salvation, being right with God, going to heaven, avoiding hell, etc. He claims he would like to follow Jesus but he wants the things of the world, he doesn't want to deny his flesh, he wants to do what he wants to do.

 

We continue to pray for him, of course, but it is looking as if this will be a long battle. Since he's moved out he's shown no interest at all in the things of God. No interest in the Bible (when he moved out he left his Bible here, claiming he didn't have room to pack it, yet he found room to pack some snow boots someone had given him...he moved to Florida, no need for snow boots there; and as we know, always a need for the Bible) and he's not interested in finding a church to attend.

 

One of the nearby churches often pushes getting children and youth "saved and baptized" but it's not biblical salvation, and depending upon who the current pastor happens to be (they go through a lot of pastors), sometimes they are teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation. I've seen so many go through that church, grow up in that church, "get saved and baptized" and as soon as they are out of the house and off to college they are dressing immodestly, getting drunk, sleeping around, and yet they are under the false belief they are good with God and most often their parents believe that too.



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:27 PM

If he cannot recall a single point in time where he was hearing or reading the Gospel (death, burial and resurrection of Jesus) preached, felt an undeniable conviction of sin, God's righteousness and judgment to come and at this point changed his entire outlook on God calling out to God to save him, then No, he is not born again. He is just one of many tares within IFB churches.

 

His story however is less common than what I think is the most common tare in IFB churches though.

 

Wow! Didn't think it was such a difficult thing to become a believer in Jesus Christ. Let's see, how many steps was there? 5?


Edited by Genevanpreacher, 28 April 2014 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:37 PM

Wow! Didn't think it was such a difficult thing to become a believer in Jesus Christ. Let's see, how many steps was there? 5?

 

Well, now you finally know so get busy :boxing:



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:27 PM

I have a testimony of a lady who had been a member of her church for 50 years and had witnessed to the lost and did many other great things in the church thinking for many years that she was saved. one Sunday her church had a visiting pastor that preached on salvation, the Holly Spirit begin to convict her heart and when the pastor gave the alter call she came forward and trusted Jesus as her savior, she was 85 years old , her testimony is a bible tract which I gave out for a while and I'm looking to see if I have anymore left and if I do I'll try and post it hear, it's a blessing and well worth the time to read for the many whom may think they're saved by works.

 

God bless   



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:54 PM

It's too bad that Kind of Blue left this discussion.  I surely wish he'll answer the questions posed at the end of post #23.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:38 AM

I have a testimony of a lady who had been a member of her church for 50 years and had witnessed to the lost and did many other great things in the church thinking for many years that she was saved. one Sunday her church had a visiting pastor that preached on salvation, the Holly Spirit begin to convict her heart and when the pastor gave the alter call she came forward and trusted Jesus as her savior, she was 85 years old , her testimony is a bible tract which I gave out for a while and I'm looking to see if I have anymore left and if I do I'll try and post it hear, it's a blessing and well worth the time to read for the many whom may think they're saved by works.

 

God bless   

 

I suspect brother Smith that there may be a few currently on this site who have no clear testimony of their new birth.

 

Without recollection of a single point in time where they clearly heard the Gospel and OBEYED the Gospel, calling out to God to save them and afterward realized a new life, outlook and vision of the world...then they were never born again and are very religious and very lost.

 

Oh they understand very well with their heads and can hold their own in any discussion of the Word, they are still lost. The world is full of people who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ but they never as of yet have believed ON Him.

 

If this post saddens, upsets or angers you, you best stop what you are doing and search yourself..you may be a tare. What, do you think the tares our Lord refers to know they are tares? This is why I post this.

 

No apologies on this post and this one is not opinion and is authoritative. "having a form of Godliness but denying the POWER thereof". The POWER is the new birth.

 

You can have everything locked in your head, you can know more than all, but without the new birth it will equal damnation.

 

I suspect there are vast numbers who have simply adopted fundamental Bible Christianity over time as their "religion".  They have worked at it, learned it and obeyed Jesus's teachings and the Apostles as best anyone could but were NEVER born again. If this is you than you are lost and without hope. You simply chose or fell into or inherited fundamental Bible Christianity as your religion instead of catholicism or islam or Mormonism, etc. 

BUT IT IS NEVER TOO LATE WHILE YOU STILL BREATH.

 

Think about it.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:48 AM

 

If this post saddens, upsets or angers you, you best stop what you are doing and search yourself..you may be a tare. What, do you think the tares our Lord refers to know they are tares? This is why I post this.

 

 

Whoah. I get what you're saying, but to say that if someone disagrees with your post they better make sure they're really saved is rather presumptuous, eh?

 



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:49 AM

Swath asked what repentance and faith means.  Those are very good questions.  One I am not sure I can answer.  I have struggled with the meaning of these words in the context of salvation.

 

Repentance.  It means to turn around or to turn away. But how does one do that?  What must we turn from?  Does it mean turning away from a particular sin we struggle with?  Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more.  Surely she still struggled with her sin after that.  She was still tempted, I imagine, as we all are.  I know I have an ongoing struggle.  Always have and always will.  So does repentance indicate I will never sin again?  I don't think that is what it means.  It means that my way of thought has changed.  Instead of filling my mind with things that will "water seeds of evil" so to speak, I fill my mind with the teachings of Christ.  My mind has turned.  So instead of dwelling on thoughts of anger and bitterness, I dwell on thoughts of love and compassion.  Instead of dwelling on lustful thoughts.  I dwell on thoughts of love.  I will always struggle with sin.  There will always be seeds of sin within us that if given proper conditions will grow.  There will also be seeds of good in us, that if watered will grow into the fruits of the Spirit.  So I tend to believe repentance is a change of what our mind dwells on.  When Jesus told the adulterous woman to go and sin no more, it was much deeper than the outward manifestation of sin.  It was her heart.  Before, she desired sex or companionship with one other than her husband.  Now, she desires to learn the teachings of Christ and follow them.  Paul struggled and indicated the things he does not want to do he does, and things he wants to do he does not do.  Yet Paul had repented.  So the struggle will persist, but it is about our minds and how we will water the seeds that are in our hearts.  At our foundation, we have anger, laziness, greed, lust, impatience, selfishness, etc.  Prior to Christ, we tend to create an atmosphere in which those things will flourish.  Instead, we need to fill our minds to water the seeds of love, joy, peace patience, kindness that is within us.  So I think that is what repentance means.  Turning away and not filling our minds with things that will foster the growth of sin and harm, and filling our minds of things that will promote growth of fruits of the spirit.

 

So what is faith?  Is it mere belief?  Is it academic assent?  Does faith require action?  I believe faith and action are intertwined.  Faith goes to the core of our being.  It is our philosophical outlook on life.  It guides and dictates our actions.  This goes back to repentance above.  As we fill our minds with the teachings of Christ, our faith with grow.  As our faith grows, our actions will reflect that through the manifestation of the fruits of the Spirit. 

 

Salvation is a free gift.  Yes.  That is true.  However, it is a costly gift as well.  It changes us at the core of our being.  It puts aside anger, selfishness, pride, lust, greed, etc. It kills those things which our in us.  The seeds will still be there and attempt to grow back, thus the eternal struggle we have during our lives.  It is also extraordinarily complex to describe what happens and how God accomplishes that work.  A description is not necessary to experience it.  Salvation is something we grow into.  We start of as babies, and Paul puts it, and then grow as we learn and follow the teachings of Christ. 



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:23 AM

Repentance is a change of mind. Once we thought our sin was fine, good, we were great with God and everything would work out in the end. Then we realized that our sin was evil, we were separated from God and going to hell. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgement, and I think these are the areas in which we change our mind when we repent as well. Now, a true change of mind will always result in us doing something differently. In the case of salvation, the only action that must take place in order for salvation to occur is that the sinner, having realized that they are a sinner, en route to hell and in need of a Savior, chooses to place their trust in Christ for salvation. "That they repent, turn to God, and do works meet for repentance." "This it the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent."  Everything else is sanctification. To add any other work to salvation itself is a works salvation.

Repentance is not us doing things differently or us filling our minds with different things. One, a sinner can't not sin. Two, the attempt to do so would be bringing works into salvation. Salvation is not something we grow into. It is an instantaneous event - a birth. Sanctification is where we grow, daily and yes, with struggle. But even that is God working in us and we responding in obedience - we don't do the doing. He does. We do not save ourselves by our own actions, and we cannot sanctify ourselves by our own actions. 

 

"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:29 PM

Whoah. I get what you're saying, but to say that if someone disagrees with your post they better make sure they're really saved is rather presumptuous, eh?

 

 

Nah, this may be the only real Bible post on this forum to date. Noones opinion here young lady.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:21 PM

That's your opinion. :frog:






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