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#41 Covenanter

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 07:53 AM

Smile. Time will tell. I hope you all are right.

If we are saved, then we are al-right with God, throuth faith in Jesus.



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Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:40 PM

Luke 21

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

(We are in the time of the Gentiles now)

 

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



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Posted 14 May 2014 - 06:23 PM

Luke 21

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

(We are in the time of the Gentiles now)

 

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

Yes, the times of the ungodly getting their way.

Gentiles are the lost people and nations of this old world who are living out their rebellion in God's face,

but he is patiently awaiting the time when the last one will believe.

 

Then they gonna get it!



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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:30 AM

Which is interesting, since Hagee pilfered most of his information from the Kabbalah teaching "Messianic Jew" Mark Biltz, of El Shaddai Ministries.  :icon_rolleyes:

I just saw this, JHM.  That would make perfect sense.  I have studied the Blood Moons, and it was pretty convincing for awhile.  However, I did more investigation on the topic, and find it very faulty.  As mentioned by others in the thread, it is John Hagee that has promoted this dogma.  He is what I call a "Bapticostal."  ;)  He appears to be all over the map on doctrine. Now the "Messianic Jew" Mark Blitz?  Aye carumba!



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Posted 22 May 2014 - 08:59 AM

THE END OF THE WORLD? [Excerpts]

 

The first of four total lunar eclipses of 2014-2015 has come and gone, so this is a good time for a post-event discussion. The eclipse occurred on April 15. Unfortunately, it was cloudy over much of the eastern USA that night. Here in northern Kentucky it even snowed a little bit during the eclipse. We had planned to watch the eclipse that night, but we saw nothing of it here at the Creation Museum.

 

Why all the concern over these eclipses? As I've previously discussed, some people see an apocalyptic sign in these four eclipses (they call them a tetrad), occurring as they do at the time of Passover and Sukkot in 2014 and 2015. Mark Biltz coined the term "blood moon" to refer to total lunar eclipses. I say that he coined that term because I can't find any reference to lunar eclipses being called blood moons prior to Biltz's use just a few years ago.

 

Previously, blood moon was an alternate name for the hunter's moon, the full moon after the harvest moon, which in turn is the full moon closest to the autumnal equinox. Biltz has called lunar eclipses "blood moons" as if this had been a common practice for a long time. Unfortunately, with all the media attention to this, this use of the term blood moon may have now slipped into common usage. Biltz started using this term because red is the most common color of a totally eclipsed moon, and blood also is red.

 

Despite the fact that not all lunar eclipses appear red, Biltz teaches that a lunar eclipse likely was what the prophet Joel had in mind when he spoke of the moon being turned to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Joel 2:31), and that a lunar eclipse at the time of the Crucifixion was partial fulfillment of this as evidenced by the Apostle Peter's referencing Joel's prophecy at Pentecost (Acts 2:20).

 

Those people promoting the blood moon thesis frequently quote from Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:17-21. The latter passage has Peter pointing out the fulfillment of Joel when he quotes things like the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and being saved by calling on the name of the Lord at Pentecost. Since Peter here quoted directly from Joel 2, the two passages read almost exactly the same. However, there are other biblical passages that mention the moon being turned to blood or otherwise changes to the heavenly bodies like the sun being darkened that should not be overlooked. There are many other passages that directly relate with the greater image here (e.g., sun, moon, or even the stars of heaven being darkened or otherwise affected). Such passages include Isaiah 13:10Mark 13:24Revelation 8:12Luke 21:25Revelation 12:1Joel 2:10 and 3:15Genesis 37:9-10Ezekiel 32:2-11, and so on. These all need consultation to have a proper interpretation (Scripture interprets Scripture).

 

For example, Revelation 6:12-17 doesn't appear to be a quotation of Joel 2, but there is overlap in the message, such as the sun being darkened and the moon being turned to blood. Furthermore, both Joel 2:28-32 and Revelation 6:12-17 speak of perplexing and troubling signs on the earth and in the heavens, so both passages could be referring to the same things. If so, then why don't those who believe that the current series of total lunar eclipses are ushering in the Lord's return mention these verses from Revelation (or elsewhere)? Probably they believe that the Lord's return will precede the events of Revelation 6 by some considerable time. Hence, in their estimation, the events of Revelation 6:12-17 refer to some events other than those of Joel 2:28-32. However, the similarity of the description of these passages suggests that they be tied to the same events.

 

http://www.answersin...blical-prophecy

 

[TBC: A number of those promoting Blood Moons theories also pushed warnings in 2012 based upon the Mayan calendar (see: http://www.theberean...ng-2012-end-era). Other dates have also been singled out in recent years with the same results as seen as in the eclipse occurring in April - i.e., nothing. In short, these predictions are based upon unbiblical foundations that cannot stand.]



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Posted 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM

 

THE END OF THE WORLD? [Excerpts]

 

The first of four total lunar eclipses of 2014-2015 has come and gone, so this is a good time for a post-event discussion. The eclipse occurred on April 15. Unfortunately, it was cloudy over much of the eastern USA that night. Here in northern Kentucky it even snowed a little bit during the eclipse. We had planned to watch the eclipse that night, but we saw nothing of it here at the Creation Museum.

 

Why all the concern over these eclipses? As I've previously discussed, some people see an apocalyptic sign in these four eclipses (they call them a tetrad), occurring as they do at the time of Passover and Sukkot in 2014 and 2015. Mark Biltz coined the term "blood moon" to refer to total lunar eclipses. I say that he coined that term because I can't find any reference to lunar eclipses being called blood moons prior to Biltz's use just a few years ago.

 

Previously, blood moon was an alternate name for the hunter's moon, the full moon after the harvest moon, which in turn is the full moon closest to the autumnal equinox. Biltz has called lunar eclipses "blood moons" as if this had been a common practice for a long time. Unfortunately, with all the media attention to this, this use of the term blood moon may have now slipped into common usage. Biltz started using this term because red is the most common color of a totally eclipsed moon, and blood also is red.

 

Despite the fact that not all lunar eclipses appear red, Biltz teaches that a lunar eclipse likely was what the prophet Joel had in mind when he spoke of the moon being turned to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Joel 2:31), and that a lunar eclipse at the time of the Crucifixion was partial fulfillment of this as evidenced by the Apostle Peter's referencing Joel's prophecy at Pentecost (Acts 2:20).

 

Those people promoting the blood moon thesis frequently quote from Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:17-21. The latter passage has Peter pointing out the fulfillment of Joel when he quotes things like the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and being saved by calling on the name of the Lord at Pentecost. Since Peter here quoted directly from Joel 2, the two passages read almost exactly the same. However, there are other biblical passages that mention the moon being turned to blood or otherwise changes to the heavenly bodies like the sun being darkened that should not be overlooked. There are many other passages that directly relate with the greater image here (e.g., sun, moon, or even the stars of heaven being darkened or otherwise affected). Such passages include Isaiah 13:10Mark 13:24Revelation 8:12Luke 21:25Revelation 12:1Joel 2:10 and 3:15Genesis 37:9-10Ezekiel 32:2-11, and so on. These all need consultation to have a proper interpretation (Scripture interprets Scripture).

 

For example, Revelation 6:12-17 doesn't appear to be a quotation of Joel 2, but there is overlap in the message, such as the sun being darkened and the moon being turned to blood. Furthermore, both Joel 2:28-32 and Revelation 6:12-17 speak of perplexing and troubling signs on the earth and in the heavens, so both passages could be referring to the same things. If so, then why don't those who believe that the current series of total lunar eclipses are ushering in the Lord's return mention these verses from Revelation (or elsewhere)? Probably they believe that the Lord's return will precede the events of Revelation 6 by some considerable time. Hence, in their estimation, the events of Revelation 6:12-17 refer to some events other than those of Joel 2:28-32. However, the similarity of the description of these passages suggests that they be tied to the same events.

 

http://www.answersin...blical-prophecy

 

[TBC: A number of those promoting Blood Moons theories also pushed warnings in 2012 based upon the Mayan calendar (see: http://www.theberean...ng-2012-end-era). Other dates have also been singled out in recent years with the same results as seen as in the eclipse occurring in April - i.e., nothing. In short, these predictions are based upon unbiblical foundations that cannot stand.]

 

 

Hear, hear!   :goodpost:



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 09:04 PM

I heard the 4th blood moon will be a supper moon and will be seen over Israel. Dose anyone know if this is true?



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 09:15 PM

Super Moons 2014

 

July 12, August 10, Sept 9


Edited by lettheredeemedsayso, 24 July 2014 - 09:16 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:38 AM

That last super moon lit the house up so much it was hard to sleep!



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:41 AM

September 9th?  my birthday?  Awesome!

I missed the July one. Clouds were too thick



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:42 AM

A blood moon may have significance - considering the mass slaughter of of the people of Gaza by the Israelis.

 

How long will it be before the God who spoke through Micah:

Micah 2:1 Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.
2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.
.....
7 O thou that art named the house of Jacob, is the spirit of the Lord straitened? are these his doings? do not my words do good to him that walketh uprightly?

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

 

The promises to Israel under the old covenant demand obedience & justice, not a claimed ethnicity. Those promises are fulfilled by the obedience & sacrifice of the Messiah - the LORD Jesus Christ. The command to Israel & Arab - and all mankind is to repent & believe in Jesus for salvation.

 

The heavenly signs of Jesus' Olivet prophecies warned the rebellious Jews of imminent destruction - & the Christians to flee from Judea.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 09:47 AM

Mass slaughter?

You really do slew things around don't you.

The Israelis attack military targets that are deliberately shielded by civilians.
The Palestinian fire rockets aimed deliberately at civilian populations.

People are dying there for sure, but the Israelites have ceased fire twice in the last week's and agreed to truces - the Palestinian refused.

Don't let the facts get in the way will you........

Edited by DaveW, 26 July 2014 - 04:58 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:20 AM

A blood moon may have significance - considering the mass slaughter of of the people of Gaza by the Israelis.

 

 

Mass slaughter indeed.  Hamas began the attack and nothing negative was said about it by the media.  Israel defends, and folks go crazy because Hamas trots out civilians that were killed - because Hamas uses them as shields.

 

Don't be blaming Israel for what the Palestinians started.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:33 AM

Covenanter's post can be seen as anti-Semitic.  Very offensive.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:43 AM

Mass murderers don't warn their targets to evacuate...and give them days to do so.

 

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:05 PM

https://flashtraffic...res-the-latest/

 

 

 

As I write this, the Israeli security cabinet is meeting to consider a seven-day ceasefire proposal by Secretary Kerry, even as Palestinians are rioting in the West Bank and Hamas is calling for a “third intifada.”

 

 

 

Israel is coming under increasing pressure by the world community — and particularly by the Obama administration — to end the fighting quickly. Actually, it’s been Hamas that has turned down multiple ceasefire proposals. But their terrorist forces are getting hammered by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) so they may be ready to quit soon, lest they are completely dismantled by Israel. That said, Israeli leaders don’t want a ceasefire that will simply give Hamas and Islamic Jihad more time to prepare for the next war.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:50 PM

:knuppel:how is Covenantor's posts not heresy?? they have just as many lies in them as someone posting about JW's or SDA's? If an IFB site isn't shown supporting Israel with 100% approval of members what site will? Blasphemy! Whatever you call it, his post are lies! :verymad:



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 01:37 PM

Enough with the name calling...



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:15 PM

A blood moon may have significance - considering the mass slaughter of of the people of Gaza by the Israelis.

 

How long will it be before the God who spoke through Micah:

Micah 2:1 Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.
2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.
.....
7 O thou that art named the house of Jacob, is the spirit of the Lord straitened? are these his doings? do not my words do good to him that walketh uprightly?

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

 

The promises to Israel under the old covenant demand obedience & justice, not a claimed ethnicity. Those promises are fulfilled by the obedience & sacrifice of the Messiah - the LORD Jesus Christ. The command to Israel & Arab - and all mankind is to repent & believe in Jesus for salvation.

 

The heavenly signs of Jesus' Olivet prophecies warned the rebellious Jews of imminent destruction - & the Christians to flee from Judea.

Covenanter,

 

You ain’t seen nothing yet!

 

 

 

Obadiah 1:15-21

15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines(Gaza strip): and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria(West Bank): and Benjamin shall possess Gilead (East Bank).

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath(Lebanon); and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.


Edited by Eric Stahl, 25 July 2014 - 04:17 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:23 PM

Jon Snow is a very experienced & trusted reporter - here is his report from a Gaza hospital:

http://youtu.be/4z4TvDbffI0

 

Am I a heretic for quoting Micah? Most of the prophets said "anti-semitic" things against the Israel of their day - not least the Lord Jesus.

 

I don't approve of Hamas, Islam, terrorism in any form; I certainly do not approve of indiscriminate bombing & slaughter of the innocent, whether by suicide bombs or rockets, nor by state terrorism. Are the Israelis living in fear of Gaza rockets? Hardly - they are stting out to get a grandstand view of the destruction of Gaza.

 

I serve the Prince of Peace, & only the Gospel of peace with God through Jesus could make a real difference. In our Bible study today we were considering Acts 15, & the genuine problem the Jewish Christians had in accepting Gentile Christians as true believers with whom they could have full fellowship to the extent of eating together as brothers & sisters, fellow children of God.

 

On a personal note, I was born a few months before WWII began, & we lived in Southampton, which was heavily bombed. Bombs came within 50 feet of our house, destroying two nearby houses & creating a garden pond. We spent many nights in a corrugated iron shelter. My memories include fear of doodlebugs. our prayer was that the war would end & Daddy would come home. Many of my school friends had a black rhombus on their sleeves for their daddies who didn't come home. Of course we had warnings before the bombs - Hitler made sure of that. We were horrified by the slaughter of the Jews, & rejoiced that they were given a homeland after the war. Most churches saw the restoration of Israel as in accord with prophecy. We rejoiced at the success of the Israeli/Anglo/French Suez war, & were upset that America forced us to withdraw.

 

We're not considering Jewish Christians, but a nation that continues to reject the Messiah. We can argue about whether there is prophesied a large scale conversion of Jews before Jesus returns. I will rejoice at such news, though I do not see it in NT prophecy. Meanwhile, I see a desperate Palestinian people whose future is an endless refugee status, or life in walled villages that cut them off from land & livelihood, & live in fear of arbitrary imprisonment, & ever-expanding settlements.

 

So I quote Micah. 

 

You folk should not let your view of prophecy cloud your judgement in straightforward matters of injustice.






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