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#1 ThePilgrim

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 10:14 AM

The U.S. has started a prairie fire in the Ukraine which is fast becoming a conflagration.  Take a look at the military map that is included in this article on Vox's blog this morning.  It is the U.S. military that will have a huge logistics and supply problem not the Russians if push comes to shove.  But it seems like our glorious leaders are intent on taking the world into a war that can only end in such utter desperation on the part of the parties involved that it will necessarily lead to the use of first tactical and then ICBMs. 

 

Is World War III or the threat of World War III going to be the thing that brings in the man on the white horse?  Please do not, I beg you, answer this question with, "I won't be here, I will be raptured first."   I did not post this to get into that subject.

 

http://voxday.blogsp...ead-letter.html

 

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 01:41 PM

Czar Putin won't go that far. He is approaching a quarter-century as "Czar" of Russia.

 

The "aliens" will appear coincidental with the massive "abduction".  Who knows who their "leader" will be.

 

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,

and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not
the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thes 2:6-11

 

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Obama: I will have more "flexability" following my reelection.

Russian President: I'll relay that information to Vladamir.


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 02:15 PM

Gonna be there with you brother



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 02:49 PM

Forget I posted it.  I should have known better.

 

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 03:19 PM

The U.S. has started a prairie fire in the Ukraine which is fast becoming a conflagration.  Take a look at the military map that is included in this article on Vox's blog this morning.  It is the U.S. military that will have a huge logistics and supply problem not the Russians if push comes to shove.  But it seems like our glorious leaders are intent on taking the world into a war that can only end in such utter desperation on the part of the parties involved that it will necessarily lead to the use of first tactical and then ICBMs. 

 

Is World War III or the threat of World War III going to be the thing that brings in the man on the white horse?  Please do not, I beg you, answer this question with, "I won't be here, I will be raptured first."   I did not post this to get into that subject.

 

http://voxday.blogsp...ead-letter.html

 

God bless,

Larry

 

We have overcome supply problems before.  The Red Ball Express and Berlin Airlift are two glorious examples.  Of course back then we had the equipment to do so!  Today, it would have to come in from the sea, the Black Sea, through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits which they should be able to do without local military opposition.

 

Our hollow force is no longer designed nor able to fight a two ocean war.  Such an operation would require much of the amphibious and carrier borne assets we have to sustain operations for six months or more.  Our government doesn't like to unleash the military and let them get the job done in six weeks or months anymore (since Korea and 'Nam), they drag it out for various reasons.

 

The sad truth here is that a free people were subverted from within and threw off their oppressors (like we should have done) and now the original antagonists are going to send in their troops do accomplish what subversion and politics could not.  President Obama will side with Putin and the subversives, even if he opposes them militarily and politically, they all share the same devilish ideology.



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 04:53 PM

The democratically, legally elected president of Ukraine was forced to flee the capitol because of a protest fomented by the USA and EU using fascists, anti-semites, anarchists and others. While the democratically, legally elected president of Ukraine was outside the capitol, some of the remaining government officials illegally declared the president to no longer be president and undemocratically and illegally appointed a new president.

 

With Ukraine in turmoil, the intentions of the illegal Ukrainian president unknown, and knowing the USA and EU had fomented the coup with the intent of gaining control over Ukraine, Russia reacted to protect her only warm water port in an area that has been Russian since Catherine the Great and has a population mostly of Russians.

 

The covert work by the USA and EU was fumbled and things quickly got out of their hands and they were unprepared for the sudden turn of events. Russia, being right next to Ukraine and Ukraine being a vital interest to Russia was closely monitoring the situation and able to react quickly when they deemed necessary.

 

The response from Obama and various EU leaders was confused, chaotic and inconsistent. Little wonder Russia wasn't moved by this.

 

Ukraine is of no vital interest to America. If some of the EU nations believe Crimea is so important, why aren't they leading the charge? America has no business involving herself in other peoples wars, especially when such a war would serve no good purpose for America but would stand the chance of greatly harming her.

 

I don't think the USA and EU wanted, or want, war with Russia. It's their bumbling that has brought us to where we are today. Now the inept leadership of the USA and EU is trying to save face while avoiding war and hoping this will all blow over.

 

Behind the scenes are various liberal organizations who hate Putin for his anti-homosexual and anti-abortion stances. These groups are attempting to pressure Obama and EU leaders into escalating matters.

 

War with Russia over Crimea or Ukraine would be a major mistake for America.



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 05:38 PM

It continually puzzles me why you side with the Communists John.  

 

The ousted President was a thug communist bent on enslaving the Ukrainian people to Russia.  Remember what they did in Georgia just a few short years ago?



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 06:30 PM

I'm not siding with anyone, just pointing out the facts.

 

The American government has worshipped the false god of democracy for about a  century now. In the name of democracy, America has engaged in countless wars, sided with dictators, tyrants and mass murderers, and even communists. In the name of democracy America has spent trillions of dollars, shed the blood of millions of her citizens and interfered with, bullied, bribed and coerced multiple nations around the globe.

 

Why do so many around the globe see America as hypocritical? When they look at American "democracy" they see a rigged political system that will only allowe approved Party members to be election "choices". When they look around the world they see all the undemocratic leaders and governments America has supported over the past century for their own purposes. More recently they recall how America has continually said democracy is the answer and democratic elections will give the best result and America will side with all who hold democratic elections...yet what was America's reaction when the terrorist group Hamas won election? Who did America support when the Egyptian military removed the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood from power? What was America's response to the democratically elected president of Ukraine? What snide comments has America made regarding the democratically elected president of Russia?

 

Obviously the American government only truly believes in democracy when things go their way. When democratic elections don't please American leadership they are willing to use any means to thwart the democratic will of the electorate and the democratically elected government.

 

Beyond all that mess is the simple fact that neither Crimea nor Ukraine are a vital interest to America.

 

America has no biblical nor constitutional mandate to police the world. With ungodly leadership we should be in much prayer for peace.



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:14 PM

The real people that run the world are neither Communist nor Capitalist.  The people that really run things and tell the so-called leaders (presidents, prime ministers, and whatever name the countries choose to give them) what to do are the 1 percent of the 1 percent of the wealthy oligarchs of the world.  They live in different nations but have no real love for those nations or any allegiance to them.  They have an allegiance to only one thing power and the wealth that gives them that power.

 

You know, it use to be back before the world was so small that these people would be happy with controlling a country.  As the world got smaller they needed to control Europe, Asia, or North America.  Now with the growth of communications and the speed of travel, they are able to try for a one world government.

 

Do you remember the Tower of Babel and Nimrod.  The world was very small at that time and communication was easy.  They all spoke one language.  Why did God confuse their language?

It seems to me that today the world is in pretty close to the same situation as the world then, because language is really no barrier anymore between those who rule the world.  Nearly perfect situation for a one world order.  Just a few people to bring in line for that to happen.  Mainly China and Russia and the U.S., the E.U. and NATO are working very hard on that problem right now.

 

All this Right Wing vs Left Wing and Communist vs Capitalist is just a distraction for the citizens of wherever in this world while the Real Powers do their business.

 

God bless,

Larry


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 10:09 PM

Who really controls the "kingdoms" of this world?  He will bring about a kind of "utopia", but it will be short-lived.

The real people that run the world are neither Communist nor Capitalist.  The people that really run things and tell the so-called leaders (presidents, prime ministers, and whatever name the countries choose to give them) what to do are the 1 percent of the 1 percent of the wealthy oligarchs of the world.  They live in different nations but have no real love for those nations or any allegiance to them.  They have an allegiance to only one thing power and the wealth that gives them that power.

 

You know, it use to be back before the world was so small that these people would be happy with controlling a country.  As the world got smaller they needed to control Europe, Asia, or North America.  Now with the growth of communications and the speed of travel, they are able to try for a one world government.

 

Do you remember the Tower of Babel and Nimrod.  The world was very small at that time and communication was easy.  They all spoke one language.  Why did God confuse their language?

It seems to me that today the world is in pretty close to the same situation as the world then, because language is really no barrier anymore between those who rule the world.  Nearly perfect situation for a one world order.  Just a few people to bring in line for that to happen.  Mainly China and Russia and the U.S., the E.U. and NATO are working very hard on that problem right now.

 

All this Right Wing vs Left Wing and Communist vs Capitalist is just a distraction for the citizens of wherever in this world while the Real Powers do their business.

 

God bless,

Larry



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 01:44 PM

I think we need to remember the name of this topic: Man on a White Horse.

 

We are all looking at WW3-who will start it, and all the implications of it. Yet, the time is not yet for the end.

 

Remember, the man on the white horse wil come with a bow, but no arrows-he will have power, but come bring peace-a false peace, yes, but peace, as far as the world will see it. And they will all cry Peace, peace, and then...what? Sudden destruction!

 

So look for the peaceful guy who will come with the power of a lion, but the manners of a lamb, a complete imitation of Christ, the Prince of Peace.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 05:34 PM

What sort of conflagration will be in process or threatening to bring mass destruction which will give opportunity for the man on the white horse to step forth as the peacemaker? It would seem it would have to be something rather significant or there wouldn't be that many impressed with his peacemaking skills.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 05:48 PM

I personally don't see any really big conflicts before the Tribulation, except

a lot of people I know, believe that the next major conflict will be in fulfillment

of Psalm 83.  Many see this as yet "unfulfilled prophecy" in which Israel

will come out triumphant against all its surrounding Muslim neighbors.

This will establish Israel as a Super Power and facilitate the fulfillment

of Ezekiel 37 and the global repatriotation of Jews back to Israel from

every corner of the globe.  This will set the stage for Ezekiel 38-39.

I look for Israel to become the global financial superpower before the

Tribulation.

Where does that leave the rest of us?



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:06 PM

Something like a war in which nuclear arms are used, it seems to me, would bring about the collapse of Western civilization as we have known it.  Because of the weakness of The U.S., Europe other players on the international scene would be free to pursue their dreams.  The Islamic world would be able to make it's move on Israel.  This would be the situation that could bring about the desire by the peoples of the earth for a Man on a White Horse.  Just my wild speculations. :popcorn:

 

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:07 PM

I personally don't see any really big conflicts before the Tribulation,

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:27 PM

There have already been many major conflicts before tribulation. Anyone ever read about the hundred years war, or WWI or WWII, as just three of many examples? Many believed after WWI there wouldn't be any more major conflicts yet in about 20 years time there was WWII.

 

It would seem that WWIII could break out tomorrow...or not, either way the plan of God will come forth as He said.

 

Israel is already seen as a "Super Power" of sorts by her neighbors. That's the main reason there have been no major wars launched against Israel in several decades and why Jordan and Egypt made peace with Israel. Israel has a large and effective spy network; they have a technologically advanced military that's well trained; they are believed to possess several nuclear bombs/missiles; they have effectively defended themselves from every attack launched against them even when faced with what the Arabs thought seemed to be overwhelming odds.

 

At the same time, Israel is already a major producer and exporter, an intellectual center, at the top in agricultural technology as well as several other technologies.

 

There are currently more Jews in Israel than anywhere else on earth, with shows how successful they have been in drawing in Jews from the nations around the world.

 

So, Israel is a local, regional Super Power and America and Russia or America and China could become embroiled in a major war at the drop of a hat.

 

Time will tell.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:44 PM

 

There are currently more Jews in Israel than anywhere else on earth, with shows how successful they have been in drawing in Jews from the nations around the world.

 

So, Israel is a local, regional Super Power and America and Russia or America and China could become embroiled in a major war at the drop of a hat.

 

Time will tell.

That's true, however, Ezekiel 37 says (of the dry bones) "the whole house of Israel". 

That means every Jew on the planet will regather in Israel.  About 1/2 live in the

"promise land" of the USA (mostly in New York).  So, something has to happen

 to make them want to pick-up and move back to the original "promised land".

 

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about,
when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.  Zech 12:2

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:11 PM

 

That's true, however, Ezekiel 37 says (of the dry bones) "the whole house of Israel". 

That means every Jew on the planet will regather in Israel.  About 1/2 live in the

"promise land" of the USA (mostly in New York).  So, something has to happen

 to make them want to pick-up and move back to the original "promised land".

 

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about,
when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.  Zech 12:2

 

I would think the destruction of North America and Europe would accomplish that.

 

God bless,

Larry


Edited by ThePilgrim, 05 May 2014 - 08:12 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:31 PM

I think we need to remember the name of this topic: Man on a White Horse.

 

We are all looking at WW3-who will start it, and all the implications of it. Yet, the time is not yet for the end.

 

Remember, the man on the white horse wil come with a bow, but no arrows-he will have power, but come bring peace-a false peace, yes, but peace, as far as the world will see it. And they will all cry Peace, peace, and then...what? Sudden destruction!

 

So look for the peaceful guy who will come with the power of a lion, but the manners of a lamb, a complete imitation of Christ, the Prince of Peace.

Me agree Kemosabe

 

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 07:38 AM

I agree, if there was a devastating war which hit America directly that could bring about a mass exodus of Jews to Israel.

 

As well, if America were to collapse from within this would likely result in areas of civil war, anarchy and extreme lawlessness and competing groups fighting over control of "their" portion of America. Considering the high level of anti-Jewish feelings among many blacks (especially in the cities, such as NYC) it's very likely widespread persecution of Jews would take place. Would not the nation of Israel do all they could to rescue Jews from such? Would not American Jews facing such be looking to escape?






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