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Funny you say that, I am even more convinced by visiting this site at times, that I did the best thing for my family by moving them out of the IFB church. At some responses I get, some people come across as the the Pharisees did in John 5:39, more focused on the laws which Christ has fulfilled, and not focused on Christ Himself, you know, I spoke about that in the do right post. I'm focused in Christ, sharing the Gospel, loving my neighbors, trying to teach my children the same, not hide from the world and judge it, God will do that!

 

I think you pretend to mistake strong meat with legalism to make yourself feel better about your worldly attitude and living. You don't fool me though brother. You may be the only persistent baby christian I have seen on this site.

Persistent babies are those who are convicted of giving into the flesh continuously but in their hearts know better. You come here to learn and you yearn to grow but your flesh keeps talking yourself out of it when you come here so you fight.

I don't want to fight with you because I can tell you do want to follow to Christ truly or you would avoid this site like the plague. This site has its issues but you will certainly grow more here than any contemporary rock and roll church.

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The prOBlem is, people tend to be on one side or the other. Standards, rules, and personal holiness...or..."grace" to live as they please.

First off, your not holy for what you do, will do or desire or will, It's Christ, death, burial and Resurrection that makes us holy

Second, your quote,.."grace" to live as they please., I don't think you understand what grace is and how believers react to it.

 

 

 

Jeffrey has asserted that all IFBs fall under the camp that pushes standards, rules, and personal holiness; however, he is quick to point out (when others lump him in with a certain group) that he's not like what others lump him in with...even though he aligns himself with a certain group(s).

First, If you read my post, I say that from what I was exposed to is what i base my experiences on, many on this very site have been gracious and Christlike towards me, Candle Light;Salyan: Happy Christian: UkuleleMike,...

 

 

I will be the first to say that the general idea that people associate with IFBs is legalism, and there's good reason for that view being held. Does that make all IFBs legalists? No.

 I agree. My best friend is IFB; He is closer to me than my own flesh and blood brother.....we have our disagreements, but we are still close

 

 

Is there anything wrong with having standards, rules, and trying to live a life pleasing to the Lord? No...of course not. Is there anything wrong with living like the world, because we are under grace? As Paul said, God forbid!

 

Here is what Paul wrote leading up to Romans 6 (Focus on verse 17)

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disOBedience many were made sinners, so by the OBedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

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If you believe that believers want to run and sin "under grace", I might have a suspicion that you are Semi-Pelagianist,

 

 

Now...is there anything wrong with having standards, rules, and trying to live a life pleasing to the Lord...and forcing that on others? Yes! I'm not talking about Christian Schools or parenting; I'm talking about pastors/teachers/Christians who try to force other Christians to live by a standard that "THEY" think others should live by. How soon we forget that we didn't become the Christian we are today overnight. The Christian life is a growth process. As we grow in the Lord, we become more conformed to his image...if we are willing to allow him to work in and through us.

Irony?

 

 

I will readily admit that I used to be more on the legalistic side...until I realized some things that I don't have time to go into. Does that mean that I have given up standards, rules, and personal holiness? No...those things are biblical. Does that mean when I see error that I should just be silent and just love everybody. No...that's not biblical. Yes, we are to love everybody; however, we are to stand for truth.

Colossians 2: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

 

 

 

Yes, we are to love everyone, but do we realize what that love entails? It entails living a life of standards, rules, and personal holiness...

Romans 13:8-10

8   Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9   For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10   Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Hint:this is the key to that statement, your life of standards won't allow you to love anyone because nOBody can or want to live to your standards

 

 

There doesn't have to be one side or the other...standards or no standards, rules or no rules, holiness or worldliness under "grace"...a Christian who loves his Lord and loves others will...WILL...live a life of standards, rules, and personal holiness out of love. Love for his Lord and love for others. Love is the factor though...living it under our own power, to please a pastor, or for any other reason is wrong, Pharisaical, and sinful...because...if we are doing it for the wrong reason, it becomes our own righteousness, and all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.Yes, we are to love everyone, but do we realize what that love entails? It entails living a life of standards, rules, and personal holiness...Yes, we are to love everyone, but do we realize what that love entails? It entails living a life of standards, rules, and personal holiness...

 

 

wow, just wow!!! i am literally speechless SMH, I dont even know where to begin with this statement.. this is what Fundamentalism does to you!!!

you want a picture of it?,here it is

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First off, your not holy for what you do, will do or desire or will, It's Christ, death, burial and Resurrection that makes us holy
Second, your quote,.."grace" to live as they please., I don't think you understand what grace is and how believers react to it.



First, If you read my post, I say that from what I was exposed to is what i base my experiences on, many on this very site have been gracious and Christlike towards me, Candle Light;Salyan: Happy Christian: UkuleleMike,...


I agree. My best friend is IFB; He is closer to me than my own flesh and blood brother.....we have our disagreements, but we are still close



Here is what Paul wrote leading up to Romans 6 (Focus on verse 17)

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disOBedience many were made sinners, so by the OBedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


If you believe that believers want to run and sin "under grace", I might have a suspicion that you are Semi-Pelagianist,


Irony?


Colossians 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.




Hint:this is the key to that statement, your life of standards won't allow you to love anyone because nOBody can or want to live to your standards


wow, just wow!!! i am literally speechless SMH, I dont even know where to begin with this statement.. this is what Fundamentalism does to you!!!
you want a picture of it?,here it is


Twist, twist, twist..........


But not in the least surprised.....

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I don't think Jeffrey or his family has ever attended an IFB church on a regular basis. I agree with whoever posted that he'll never get it in his lukewarm, fence-riding church. He may be saved but he's of the world.

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hear hear Gentlemen and Ladies, amen and amen!

 

Living with standards is when I do something I shouldn't or use a tone I shouldn't and that little voice inside grows louder and louder until I take a knee and repent. Its turning my head away from a young woman dressed lewdly because I want that closeness to Jesus. I've given up many things my flesh enjoyed because I'd rather be close to Jesus than anything.  I love Jesus, I want to keep his commandments. 

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I think you pretend to mistake strong meat with legalism to make yourself feel better about your worldly attitude and living. You don't fool me though brother. You may be the only persistent baby christian I have seen on this site.

Persistent babies are those who are convicted of giving into the flesh continuously but in their hearts know better. You come here to learn and you yearn to grow but your flesh keeps talking yourself out of it when you come here so you fight.

I don't want to fight with you because I can tell you do want to follow to Christ truly or you would avoid this site like the plague. This site has its issues but you will certainly grow more here than any contemporary rock and roll church.

this statement makes no sense, If I didnt want to follow Christ, i would intentionally avoid this place, I live for him and I am here, so how do you explain that?

 BTW, and who is avoiding what?? do you ask yourself this question?? who is the one avoiding issues?? 

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I don't think Jeffrey or his family has ever attended an IFB church on a regular basis. I agree with whoever posted that he'll never get it in his lukewarm, fence-riding church. He may be saved but he's of the world.

For 20 yrs, I have given my "testimony " here before.

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His Signature, his "Resident Liberal" proclamation above his avatar, and his avatar picture of John Calvin shows his OBvious rebellion toward this site and his unwillingness to show respect...or...the humility of one who is truly seeking to "live for the Lord".

So you cant be a liberal and be a IFB?? really?? do you see that in Scripture? Isnt God liberal with His mercy and grace and love?? By the very fact that He saved you, show that He has a liberal side?

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So you cant be a liberal and be a IFB?? really?? do you see that in Scripture? Isnt God liberal with His mercy and grace and love?? By the very fact that He saved you, show that He has a liberal side?


Twist words, misrepresent statements, act all innocent but time and again you show your true colours.
I've seen it all before.....

And still you get away with it.

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How is this incessant back and forth helpful to the OP?


It has nothing to do with the OP John, but when someone blatantly misrepresents someone else's posts for what appears to be deceptive purposes are we just to ignore it?

There has been quite enough of 'people' ignoring such activities - that is why some people have left and some have been made to leave.

If you really want that, be prepared for whoever is left........

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[A]: So you cant be a liberal and be a IFB?? really?? do you see that in Scripture? :  Isnt God liberal with His mercy and grace and love?? By the very fact that He saved you, show that He has a liberal side?

In reference to [A] above: Are you claiming yourself to be an IB? Are you claiming that the IB pull out from the SBC wasn't due to a lack of conservatism in those early years? 

 

If reference to : Are you claiming you don't know the difference in the linguistic usage of "liberal" in viewpoint (politics, theology, etc) and "liberality" in disbursement of possessions, effort,etc.

 

I don't know if a warning point for "baiting" and "antagonizing" will fly in Bro Matt's opinion -- but if you OBject, appeal to him.

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In reference to [A] above: Are you claiming yourself to be an IB? Are you claiming that the IB pull out from the SBC wasn't due to a lack of conservatism in those early years? 
 
If reference to : Are you claiming you don't know the difference in the linguistic usage of "liberal" in viewpoint (politics, theology, etc) and "liberality" in disbursement of possessions, effort,etc.
 
I don't know if a warning point for "baiting" and "antagonizing" will fly in Bro Matt's opinion -- but if you OBject, appeal to him.


It can be both, I have liberal tendacies and conservative tendacies, nOBody is all the same and you are lying to yourself if you think you do!
As for your warning, go ahead! It proves to me what I learned about IFB's after I left; isolationist who hide from the world rather than try and win it for The Lord.

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It can be both, I have liberal tendacies and conservative tendacies, nOBody is all the same and you are lying to yourself if you think you do!
As for your warning, go ahead! It proves to me what I learned about IFB's after I left; isolationist who hide from the world rather than try and win it for The Lord.

I'm rather curious how (by any stretch of the imagination) you got that out of the exchange between me and you. Or, for that matter, how you came to that conclusion from any post (or combination thereof) of mine anywhere at anytime.

 

That conclusion (since it was directed at me) actually has me quite amused -- especially seeing as how only 2 people on OB even know me in real life (and many of my customers would find that quite amusing as well).

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Isolation from isn't the answer, Paul said that if we didn't want to be around sinners we would have to leave the world. Paul also instructed us not to eat or drink with "believers" that we're not living right. There is no way around not being around people of this world. I personally beleive it is a sin to hide from the world rather than engage it.

While I dont think we should ever not engage the culture, are you saying we should not "Be ye separate"? Also the "do you not believe God is sovereign" routine needs to stop. We all agree God is in control of all, at the same time we all have our own choices and thus consequences. Do you say God caused you to sin? I would sure hope not

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Update on my daughter in summer public school, she has straight A's coming out of the christian school. They told her that she needed to take two classes this summer so she can start the new school year. She was affaid the first day, first time going to a public school. 10th grade. She have some new friends now. I believe she will do just fine. She is very excited... :)

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It can be both, I have liberal tendacies and conservative tendacies, nOBody is all the same and you are lying to yourself if you think you do!
As for your warning, go ahead! It proves to me what I learned about IFB's after I left; isolationist who hide from the world rather than try and win it for The Lord.

Would you say that we were isolated and not trying to win it for the Lord in the case of the two boys drowning?  No, of course you wouldn't.  Stop broadbrushing and attacking IFB, Jeffrey.  And being warned proves that IFB are isolationists and not trying to win the world for the Lord?  That's just silly talk, now.

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this statement makes no sense, If I didnt want to follow Christ, i would intentionally avoid this place, I live for him and I am here, so how do you explain that?

 BTW, and who is avoiding what?? do you ask yourself this question?? who is the one avoiding issues?? 

 

Here is the point you miss on purpose again Jeff:

 

You come from an environment that has distorted the image of Jesus as a hippy, "mojo risen" liberal with an niv in one hand and a heiniken in the other. That is not the Jesus of God's Word and you absolutely know it in your heart. That is why you come to a forum like this that does worship the True Jesus of the Bible. You fight when you get here because your flesh doesn't want to lose to the Spirit. You keep coming back though and I doubt that you come back just to fight.

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Update on my daughter in summer public school, she has straight A's coming out of the christian school. They told her that she needed to take two classes this summer so she can start the new school year. She was affaid the first day, first time going to a public school. 10th grade. She have some new friends now. I believe she will do just fine. She is very excited... :)

 

TGL, mark my words brother. You will regret this day the rest of your physical life.

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