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#21 The Glory Land

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 05:55 AM


Since TGL mentioned behaviour in his OP, I thought it worth pointing out to any who have in the past defended TGL's seeming inability to answer simple questions and discuss things in a mature manner by saying it's only 'cos English isn't his first language: take a look at this thread. TGL can speak very clearly and sensibly when he wants to. When he doesn't, which is most of the time, it's because he's doing it on purpose.

The fact that he happily gives others the runaround whenever they ask him anything but then in this thread begins firing off questions to Happy Christian with the expectation of serious answers speaks to TGL's sense of entitlement, i.m.o.



Are you a lawyer? What would you like me to answer for you? My spell check is working better today.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 06:13 AM

Are you a lawyer? What would you like me to answer for you? My spell check is working better today.

 

No I'm not a lawyer, TGL. Before I answer your other question, can I just ask you the same thing: are you a lawyer?



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:47 AM

No I'm not a lawyer, TGL. Before I answer your other question, can I just ask you the same thing: are you a lawyer?


No, I am not a lawyer. :) you see, I answered your question.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:50 AM

I don't think any answer is wrong here. I believe the onus of teaching squarely falls on the parents. IT's our responsibility to teach our children "in the way", (Deut 6). We show our children through examples they experience during the day, when we are together at night, I am purposefully asking them how their day was, what happened, what they learned at school, just so I can listen to them and find something that we can talk about that they can learn from. If you look around and are watching, you can find examples in everyday life to use as illustrations to teach your kids about God and tie that to the Gospel. Even if we are watching tv and something comes on that is sinful,(nothing too graphic of course), but I will occasionally pause our DVR and ask them what they saw. was it good or sinful? what does the Bible say about this? there is so much out there to prepare your kids for the world.

 BTW, we have our kids in public schools. we purposefully bought our house in this particular school district that  is one of the top in the state. IF we are dillegent about our children at home, I believe God will protect them, He protected Shadrach Meschah and Abednego, didn't He? (Daniel 1)


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:51 AM

They need to grow and see the truth my friends, around them. You are not protecting the kids, keeping them in the home all the time, but making them weaker to reality.

As has been stated earlier, most all churches have youth groups. There are Homeschooling Support Groups in most every community, and there are an endless number of area sports organizations that our children can get involved in. As a Christian, there is even a broader scope of opportunities through missionary and evangelistic efforts.

 

Our church was built debt free by our own members. Children ages eight and up were involved in the entire process. We have pictures of the original footer being dug where the trenches were filled with nothing but kids. They assisted in everything from laying the foundation to putting on the roof and everything in between.

 

We have a group called the CHOICE Kids Club that works with inner city and suburban youth in and out of schools. This club is run and staffed by teenagers and young adults.

 

Our church regularly goes (with our children) to the streets of the local cities to bring the Gospel to the lost at many of the festivals and events held there. Trust me; our kids see all kinds of your precious “reality” on these trips. We have also gone to events in other cities as well: Beale Street in Memphis for one. We have also had many children take missionary trips to places like Mozambique, Honduras, Trinidad, Papua, New Guinea, and the Ukraine.

 

Individually we get our children involved as well. Both my sons were/are involved in Soccer, and Baseball from the time they were 5, and I participated as either coach or assistant coach. My oldest was in the Sea Cadets for 3 years where I also participated as a uniformed instructor. As stated previously my daughter has been very active with inner city youth, and she also enjoys singing in various choirs and groups.

 

I have a BIL that has been a crack addict for the past 20 years. Since my kids have known him he has been in and out of prison, rehabs and halfway houses. We have, with our children been very active in not only supporting him, but working with the other addicts in these places as well. Our children have seen and been an active part of their successes, and have also been very much hurt by their failures…, especially their uncle’s.

 

I preach at a nursing home every month and they all jump right in and bring a little joy to those folk’s lives. My youngest boy has also gone to various nursing homes with our church's children’s choir to minister there.

 

How many of your precious public schools have opportunities like these? I believe my children have probably seen more of your precious "reality" than most public schooled children, but with one difference. My children have seen first hand the negative costs of your precious "reality". They aren't only instructed in the instant gratification of today's reality.

 

You seem to make the common error many non-homeschoolers like to make. You think that homeschoolers never get out of their own home. Nothing could be further from the truth, but there is a key difference between the socialization our kids get from the socialization public school kids get. When my children are socializing, one or both of their parents are right there so they know that someone with their absolute best interests at heart is available to them and guiding them. In a public school they are led by people with their own agenda (or mandated to follow a specific agenda), where your child is just another of the countless children that have already passed through their doors.

 

Once again, I have two children left. The Public School System isn’t even close to an option. 



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:30 AM

I don't think any answer is wrong here. I believe the onus of teaching squarely falls on the parents. IT's our responsibility to teach our children "in the way", (Deut 6). We show our children through examples they experience during the day, when we are together at night, I am purposefully asking them how their day was, what happened, what they learned at school, just so I can listen to them and find something that we can talk about that they can learn from. If you look around and are watching, you can find examples in everyday life to use as illustrations to teach your kids about God and tie that to the Gospel. Even if we are watching tv and something comes on that is sinful,(nothing too graphic of course), but I will occasionally pause our DVR and ask them what they saw. was it good or sinful? what does the Bible say about this? there is so much out there to prepare your kids for the world.
BTW, we have our kids in public schools. we purposefully bought our house in this particular school district that is one of the top in the state. IF we are dillegent about our children at home, I believe God will protect them, He protected Shadrach Meschah and Abednego, didn't He? (Daniel 1)




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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:37 AM

As has been stated earlier, most all churches have youth groups. There are Homeschooling Support Groups in most every community, and there are an endless number of area sports organizations that our children can get involved in. As a Christian, there is even a broader scope of opportunities through missionary and evangelistic efforts.

Our church was built debt free by our own members. Children ages eight and up were involved in the entire process. We have pictures of the original footer being dug where the trenches were filled with nothing but kids. They assisted in everything from laying the foundation to putting on the roof and everything in between.

We have a group called the CHOICE Kids Club that works with inner city and suburban youth in and out of schools. This club is run and staffed by teenagers and young adults.

Our church regularly goes (with our children) to the streets of the local cities to bring the Gospel to the lost at many of the festivals and events held there. Trust me; our kids see all kinds of your precious “reality” on these trips. We have also gone to events in other cities as well: Beale Street in Memphis for one. We have also had many children take missionary trips to places like Mozambique, Honduras, Trinidad, Papua, New Guinea, and the Ukraine.

Individually we get our children involved as well. Both my sons were/are involved in Soccer, and Baseball from the time they were 5, and I participated as either coach or assistant coach. My oldest was in the Sea Cadets for 3 years where I also participated as a uniformed instructor. As stated previously my daughter has been very active with inner city youth, and she also enjoys singing in various choirs and groups.

I have a BIL that has been a crack addict for the past 20 years. Since my kids have known him he has been in and out of prison, rehabs and halfway houses. We have, with our children been very active in not only supporting him, but working with the other addicts in these places as well. Our children have seen and been an active part of their successes, and have also been very much hurt by their failures…, especially their uncle’s.

I preach at a nursing home every month and they all jump right in and bring a little joy to those folk’s lives. My youngest boy has also gone to various nursing homes with our church's children’s choir to minister there.

How many of your precious public schools have opportunities like these? I believe my children have probably seen more of your precious "reality" than most public schooled children, but with one difference. My children have seen first hand the negative costs of your precious "reality". They aren't only instructed in the instant gratification of today's reality.

You seem to make the common error many non-homeschoolers like to make. You think that homeschoolers never get out of their own home. Nothing could be further from the truth, but there is a key difference between the socialization our kids get from the socialization public school kids get. When my children are socializing, one or both of their parents are right there so they know that someone with their absolute best interests at heart is available to them and guiding them. In a public school they are led by people with their own agenda (or mandated to follow a specific agenda), where your child is just another of the countless children that have already passed through their doors.

Once again, I have two children left. The Public School System isn’t even close to an option.

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No problem, My kids attended independently Baptist schools for over 10 years. Christians schools are good if you can afford them. Or get a grant is nice. Home schooling? We are not all smart enough, or strick enough to do it.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:37 AM

If I was saved at a younger age, I would have chosen homeschooling for my son.  He even begged me to home school him at one point.  It broke my heart.  I had to work or we wouldn't have been able to survive.  I was a single mom, from the time my son was 2 until he was in the forth grade.  He attended Montessori School, from Pre-K to 2nd grade.  His dad paid the tuition, and I paid for day care costs.  Thankfully, mom my was able to watch him once a week, then my MIL, when my mom became feeble.  Even in a good public school system, like the one my son attended and the one that his dad, me and my husband attended, is still questionable.  It is government run.  That alone is a red flag.

I just had this conversation with one of my husband's brothers and his wife on Father's Day.  I told them that the whole public school system is in the toilet (yes, even in model schools, or Blue Ribbon schools as they are sometimes called.)  Their son is 2 1/2.  A sister in Christ, at my church, began to home school her children b/c the school system had a teacher that taught her daughter about Islam one year.  Yeah, that is the big thing in the public school system where I taught.  Anyway, my brother and SIL live in that suburb.  I told them the best education is homeschooling.  Sadly, since this BIL is backsliden and his wife is a Roman Catholic (non practicing, unless she is pressured by family - then she goes to Mass) their son will most likely go to Parochial school.

As was said above, there are so many groups that home schooled children can attend so that they are not isolated from other children.

Maybe, someone can tell TGL about the various home schooling options that are out there.  I know of Abeka, ACE, and Hooked on School House.    



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:12 AM

We are not all smart enough, or strick enough to do it.

 

 

Maybe, someone can tell TGL about the various home schooling options that are out there.  I know of Abeka, ACE, and Hooked on School House.    

 

I have only taken a handful of college courses in my life and have nothing close to a degree of any type. My wife has absolutely no college. There are a myriad of Homeschooling options out there that will fit just about any situation. We went with ABEKA for the most part. Up to 8th grade we simply got the regular curriculum and teacher materials and my wife taught most of it with me filling in on some of the math and sciences. Once we got to High school we transitioned to their DVD program where it is essentially like they are sitting in a classroom being taught directly by a teacher. This was necessary to cover the more complex subjects in which my wife and I are limited.

 

Judged by their post high school performance I would have to say this approach was very successful.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:11 AM

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No problem, My kids attended independently Baptist schools for over 10 years. Christians schools are good if you can afford them. Or get a grant is nice. Home schooling? We are not all smart enough, or strick enough to do it.

 

My mom never finished high school - cut out early to go for her Practical Nursing. She says she was learning right along with us for a lot of our homeschool years. That's why they have textbooks. :wink  Most of my high school I basically did on my own - even checking my own answers. There's nothing quite as satisfying as having a math problem that's 'incorrect' and not knowing why - and being finally able to prove that the answer key was wrong!  :clapping: 

My brother took algebra/physics (I didn't have to - yay!!:D). Mom wasn't up to helping him with those, so he worked with an excellent local tutor. Nowadays, there's a lot of help you can arrange online as well.

 

I worked with a local homeschool 'board' for a few years, and discovered that there are some people who really shouldn't be teaching their own kids - because they're not teaching them, just trying to beat the system. Unless you just arrived from the backwoods of Borneo (maybe not even then), there's no reason a parent can't teach their own kids.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:23 AM

I don't think any answer is wrong here. I believe the onus of teaching squarely falls on the parents. IT's our responsibility to teach our children "in the way", (Deut 6). We show our children through examples they experience during the day, when we are together at night, I am purposefully asking them how their day was, what happened, what they learned at school, just so I can listen to them and find something that we can talk about that they can learn from. If you look around and are watching, you can find examples in everyday life to use as illustrations to teach your kids about God and tie that to the Gospel. Even if we are watching tv and something comes on that is sinful,(nothing too graphic of course), but I will occasionally pause our DVR and ask them what they saw. was it good or sinful? what does the Bible say about this? there is so much out there to prepare your kids for the world.

 BTW, we have our kids in public schools. we purposefully bought our house in this particular school district that  is one of the top in the state. IF we are dillegent about our children at home, I believe God will protect them, He protected Shadrach Meschah and Abednego, didn't He? (Daniel 1)

I absolutely agree that the onus falls on the parents (that is actually the main reason I am so pro-homeschooling).  And if parents take the time to find out what's gone on in school and teaches them diligently (as the Bible commands us to do) principles and truths from scripture, right from wrong, it can work.  Sadly, though, too many parents don't take the time to do it - even in a Christian school situation.

 

The sad truth, though, is that the public school system is getting more and more ungodly as it goes.  The Bible tells us to be simple concerning evil, not to look on it and talk about it...it is fact that we cannot go out of the world and so there will be much evil to which we will be subjected.  But to purposely put our children in the midst of it when there is alternative begs the question "are we really doing what is best for our child(ren)?"  That can only be answered by each set of parents. But said parents need to be brutally honest with themselves in light of scriptural teaching - and then be so, so, so diligent.  

 

I will say that, IMO, the public school won't do any more damage to a child than a bad Christian school - at least one knows what to watch for in a public school. Christian schools tend to be trusted totally by parents and so things can happen that are damaging to the children - and parents don't find out until years too late.  

 

When we moved here, this school district was #3 in the state.  It didn't matter to us, because we were planning to homeschool, but the reason I say this is:  When our son was 5, I was tutoring some girls who were in the public school - not only in the #3 district in the state, but supposedly in the best school in that district.  First and third grade - and neither of them could read.  At all...there were a lot of other issues, too. The mom told me about how she went to the school to bring something, and just popped over to the older girl's room to look in the window.  She saw the teacher totally ignoring the kids, her daughter crawling around on the table, and other kids playing around.  Real good teaching going on...That's not even the worse of what happens in some schools...

 

I guarantee, though, if my kids saw same sex kissing (even if opposite sex, too), I'd pull them from school. I'd teach them why it's wrong and why they will no longer be exposed to it.  And then, even if I didn't feel capable to teach them, I'd research and find the best curriculum, get whatever help I needed, and teach my kids.  I would not send them somewhere knowing they were going to be subjected to evil.  Yep, there's a possibility of it anywhere.  But if I knew what was there and sent them anyway...I just can't find Bible to support that.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

Time and effort on the part of parents is treasure just as well as money.

Where your treasure is, so is your heart.

 

I am not sure whether TGL started this thread to pick a fight or to seek justification.

 

I am no good parent myself and have had my kids in homeschool, Christian and public. When in public it was always because of the treasures mentioned above.

 

No need to air your dirty laundry and expect justification from your peers brother. Putting a believer's kids in public school is sin plain and simple. Keep it to yourself or be honest about it and no one will judge.

 

You are spitting in the air with this thread and trying your hardest to convince us it is raining.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:05 PM

Can someone other than the parent, home school a child?  There are so many parents out there who work full-time jobs, and can't be home to school their child.  What about those parents?



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:26 PM

Yes, they can. I actually taught more than one at different times when I was homeschooling our son.  There are also often groups that work together to teach kids from different families.

 

One year I taught art class to a family and our son went to their place for phys ed.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:38 PM

Yes, they can. I actually taught more than one at different times when I was homeschooling our son.  There are also often groups that work together to teach kids from different families.

 

One year I taught art class to a family and our son went to their place for phys ed.

 

Thanks, HC.  I want to pass this information on to my BIL and SIL.  

I wish I would have known families that were home schooling while my son was growing up.  Although, that would have been another battle with my ex husband.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:50 PM

One thing you want to be sure and do - know the laws of your state. Each state varies with what is allowed re:homeschooling. You don't want your BIL and SIL to get in trouble if they do it wrong.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 04:26 PM

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They need to grow and see the truth my friends, around them. You are not protecting the kids, keeping them in the home all the time, but making them weaker to reality.

 

Where do you get the idea that homeschooled kids don't 'get out'?

They are just as sociable as other kids, just polite and well mannered because of proper training, that good parents do.

 

I have noticed that my children 'know' sin when they see it and turn away from such trashy things on their own.

Strength needs to have muscles to work.

 

Building character is what homeschooling does, it lets the children 'be' children, without all the pressures

of the sinful lifestyles out in the world.

You do not need to 'experience' any sin to be taught how to deny it in your life.

 

You need prayer.

And I do that for free, without experiencing the sin of disobedience, by charging you money.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 04:35 PM

We are members of HSLDA. Membership is cheap and valuable for the occasional 'authority' problem.

And I do work a fulltime job at a factory making a living and supporting my family.

People can afford to teach homeschool themselves. Adjustment on what you 'waste' money on is an important change.

My wife teaches, and I help with some of the mathmatics, and we graduated 1 last year and have 3 more to school.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 05:16 AM

No need to air your dirty laundry and expect justification from your peers brother. Putting a believer's kids in public school is sin plain and simple. Keep it to yourself or be honest about it and no one will judge.

Where would you find this in Scripture and can you back this statement up? To me, this seems to be your opinion that you have turned into a command.Do you believe God is sovereign? I wasn't homeschooled, were you? How many here were?



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:25 AM

Where would you find this in Scripture and can you back this statement up? To me, this seems to be your opinion that you have turned into a command.Do you believe God is sovereign? I wasn't homeschooled, were you? How many here were?



Public schools that your parents and we attended are now called evil? Isolation kicks in, for those that don't agree. We are not of this world. Live seperate, don't eat or drink with them?




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